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Stadiq
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"Top 25 all-time Point Guards..."


          


Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Just curious who you guys would have as your top 15-25 all time at running the point...

  
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kevin ollie
Mar 06th 2013
1
Dude, no need to preface. We've talked about EVERYTHING before.
Mar 06th 2013
2
Best bench warmer celebration of all time?
Mar 06th 2013
3
      MARK MADSEN, END THREAD!
Mar 07th 2013
42
Top 10...
Mar 06th 2013
4
What about Chalmers?
Mar 06th 2013
5
Rondo
Mar 06th 2013
6
.
Mar 06th 2013
7
top 10
Mar 06th 2013
8
No particular order: Magic, Zeke, Cousy, Big O, Kidd, Nash, Stockton
Mar 06th 2013
9
Lenny Willens is taking somebody's spot in there
Mar 06th 2013
10
Meh. He was SOLID for a long time, but never great imo.
Mar 07th 2013
25
      uh yes, he was better than mark jackson and sure as shit the jet
Mar 07th 2013
43
Kenny Smith tho? He's getting the Emmy award winning push.
Mar 06th 2013
13
      weirdly, he had a few amazingly efficient seasons.
Mar 06th 2013
18
      With the Rockets or Kings?
Mar 06th 2013
19
      I'll take Bobby Jackson or Mike Bibby over Kenny Smith
Mar 06th 2013
20
           No way.
Mar 07th 2013
26
                Kenny was basically D.Fish w/hops
Mar 07th 2013
39
      Yeah man he was like 52-43-88 one season
Mar 07th 2013
21
      He was a rich man's Mike Conley those Houston years.
Mar 07th 2013
23
           No he wasn't. And Kenny Anderson >>> Kenny Smith.
Mar 07th 2013
27
                Kenny Smith's Career>>>>>>>Kenny Anderson's career
Mar 07th 2013
29
                     No the fuck it wasn't
Mar 07th 2013
31
                          Stats-wise its even, but Smith was an important part of 2 chips
Mar 07th 2013
33
                               Important part as in, the guy who shot the technical Free Throws?
Mar 07th 2013
34
John Stocktin (c) Karl Malone
Mar 06th 2013
11
interesting..after the top 2...Magic and the Big O...
Mar 06th 2013
12
I agree...I was very curious who
Mar 09th 2013
53
If we're being honest with ourselves, Starbury makes the list
Mar 06th 2013
14
nope...
Mar 06th 2013
15
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/2687654_o.gif
Mar 06th 2013
16
lulz
Mar 06th 2013
17
I blocked him out of my mind LOL.
Mar 07th 2013
24
      I said in another post, that he will be the league's lost superstar
Mar 07th 2013
28
           Amazing talent, superlative numbers...but that is about it.
Mar 07th 2013
30
                every team hes ever been on got better after he left
Mar 07th 2013
32
                     Less damning when you realize he was replaced by Kidd and Nash
Mar 07th 2013
35
                     and in minnesota?
Mar 07th 2013
36
                          A top-10 PF of all time hit his prime
Mar 07th 2013
38
                               lol ok, if you could just peruse this and point to the marked difference
Mar 08th 2013
45
                                    See how KG's TS, EFG, WS, ORtg and Reb% increased siginificantly
Mar 08th 2013
50
                     Quit telling that LIE
Mar 07th 2013
40
                          are we going by something other than wins and losses...?
Mar 08th 2013
46
off the dome
Mar 07th 2013
22
The Glove...The Hardaways...The rest yall can argue over
Mar 07th 2013
37
FOCK. Penny definitely knocks somebody off the list.
Mar 07th 2013
41
What's with the Mark Jackson love though?
Mar 07th 2013
44
just cuz he didn't score a lot, doesn't mean he wasn't great
Mar 08th 2013
47
      Very good playmaker, not a top 25 PG
Mar 09th 2013
52
Where is Iverson & Walt Frazier in this post?
Mar 08th 2013
48
literally everyone in the thread who made a list included walt frazier.
Mar 08th 2013
49
RE: Where is Iverson <- LMAO
Mar 08th 2013
51
guaranteed make em jump like Rod Strickland...
Mar 10th 2013
54

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1. "kevin ollie"
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2. "Dude, no need to preface. We've talked about EVERYTHING before."
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I'm about to make a post on "Best Inbounder Skillsets"

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3. "Best bench warmer celebration of all time? "
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42. "MARK MADSEN, END THREAD!"
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4. "Top 10..."
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Magic
Oscar
Zeke
Stockton
Cousy
Frazier
Payton
Kidd
KJ
Nash

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5. "What about Chalmers?"
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7. "."
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8. "top 10"
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magic
big o
isiah
stockton
clyde
payton
micheal ray
nash
cousy
kidd

  
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9. "No particular order: Magic, Zeke, Cousy, Big O, Kidd, Nash, Stockton"
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Walt Frazier, Mark Jackson, KJ, Rod Strickland, Maurice Cheeks, Tony Parker, MIchael Ray Richardson, Dennis Johnson, Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway, Mark Price, Chris Paul, Rondo, Gus Williams, Deron Williams, Derek Harper, Kenny Smith, Tiny Archibald

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10. "Lenny Willens is taking somebody's spot in there"
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25. "Meh. He was SOLID for a long time, but never great imo."
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Everyone I listed I felt had at least a couple of years where there were really really good.

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43. "uh yes, he was better than mark jackson and sure as shit the jet"
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kenny smith man?

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13. "Kenny Smith tho? He's getting the Emmy award winning push."
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18. "weirdly, he had a few amazingly efficient seasons."
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he never put up truly impressive overall numbers, but he had a fantastic career TS%, including one season of 64% and one of 63%!

  
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19. "With the Rockets or Kings?"
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Anyway, we talking All Time.

He's not even all 90s consideration.

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20. "I'll take Bobby Jackson or Mike Bibby over Kenny Smith"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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26. "No way."
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39. "Kenny was basically D.Fish w/hops"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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21. "Yeah man he was like 52-43-88 one season"
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a championship season i think

  
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23. "He was a rich man's Mike Conley those Houston years."
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27. "No he wasn't. And Kenny Anderson >>> Kenny Smith."
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Kenny Smith is just a guy.

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29. "Kenny Smith's Career>>>>>>>Kenny Anderson's career"
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31. "No the fuck it wasn't "
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33. "Stats-wise its even, but Smith was an important part of 2 chips"
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34. "Important part as in, the guy who shot the technical Free Throws?"
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You could've replaced him with about 20 other dudes from BJ Armstrong to Dana Barros. Shit if that was all it took, Derrick Fisher would make lists.

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11. "John Stocktin (c) Karl Malone"
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12. "interesting..after the top 2...Magic and the Big O..."
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it gets pretty interesting how to rank the rest..

although I don't like the guy...Isiah would have a strong argument for #3.... but Stockton, Kidd, and Nash have a lot of assists...and a lot of longevity ..

some sleepers would have to be Clyde Frazier....Cousey of course.... Dennis Johnson...Tiny Archibald....Mo Cheeks....

I'll come up with my version of the top 25 shortly...

  
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53. "I agree...I was very curious who"
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Would be up there with magic, o, and isiah.


Plus wanted to see where tiny archibald and Payton would each land.




  
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14. "If we're being honest with ourselves, Starbury makes the list"
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15. "nope... "
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24. "I blocked him out of my mind LOL."
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28. "I said in another post, that he will be the league's lost superstar"
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Lots of dudes have assholed themselves out of the league, but Marbury is the only one who assholed himself out of our collective conscience. Niggas forget that he averaged 20/8 for EIGHT FUCKING SEASONS.

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30. "Amazing talent, superlative numbers...but that is about it."
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I was driving the Marbury bandwagon when he came back to Gotham....and truth be told, he was at a point where he still physically had the tools and he had years of ups and downs to build upon. The best thing he did while in NY was release that sneaker line. I am happy he did his thing overseas and found peace and all that, but no way would I call him a top 25 pg in the league.

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32. "every team hes ever been on got better after he left"
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35. "Less damning when you realize he was replaced by Kidd and Nash"
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36. "and in minnesota?"
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38. "A top-10 PF of all time hit his prime"
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45. "lol ok, if you could just peruse this and point to the marked difference"
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50. "See how KG's TS, EFG, WS, ORtg and Reb% increased siginificantly"
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in 99-00. The year after Steph left. He made the leap.

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40. "Quit telling that LIE"
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46. "are we going by something other than wins and losses...?"
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22. "off the dome"
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MAGIC

Big O

Zeke

Stockton

Walt Frazier

the Glove

J KIdd

Rod Strickland

Mo Cheeks

the Frenchman

tim Hardaway

CP3

Michael Ray Richardson

Tiny Archabald

Mark Price

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Nash,

Cousey

Rondo

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37. "The Glove...The Hardaways...The rest yall can argue over"
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41. "FOCK. Penny definitely knocks somebody off the list."
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Bye-Bye Jet.

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DJR
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44. "What's with the Mark Jackson love though?"
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Seen his name several times now. Other than for a year or two early on with the Knicks, I don't ever remember considering him one of the top 10 PG's in the league. Like his Clippers and Pacers years? Nah.

  
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47. "just cuz he didn't score a lot, doesn't mean he wasn't great"
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He was an exceptional play maker.

  
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DJR
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52. "Very good playmaker, not a top 25 PG"
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At few times in his career was he even a top 10 PG. he was good(never great), and stuck around forever. Props for that, I actually liked Jackson. But top 25 ever? Nah.

  
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48. "Where is Iverson & Walt Frazier in this post?"
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I will never understand the hate for AI in these types of discussions. I think D. Rose will get to that point sometime if he can stay healthy for a couple more years.

And Clyde has to be included somewhere...

You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles


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49. "literally everyone in the thread who made a list included walt frazier."
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iverson wasn't a point guard.

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51. "RE: Where is Iverson <- LMAO"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  
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54. "guaranteed make em jump like Rod Strickland... "
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lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

  
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