1. "The 40 is the most overhyped part of the NFL draft" In response to Reply # 0
It's just the sexy stat.
However to answer your question, yes there is a difference at that level. When one LB runs a 4.8 and another runs a 4.4 they don't say well Bin takes 10 seconds. They say well the best players run a 4.4 not a 4.8
Think about track and field, a few decimal points can mean everything.
However football is not track and field and we place way too much emphasis on the 40 time, but at the elite levels there is a difference in those 10ths of seconds.
2. "I don't get the anti-40 yard dash movement" In response to Reply # 0
Chris Johnson is the NFL all-time greatest breakaway running back (measured by # of touchdowns > 80 yards) and would have been a 5th round pick without that sub 4.3
Devin Hester ran low 4.3s, is the greatest return man in league history
40 time told the story for two of the most explosive players in league history
Same with Randy Moss
Same with Adrian Petersen
Same with Calvin Johnson
I'm not getting it
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10. "was he really supposed to time well?" In response to Reply # 7
better than 4.8, but i don't think anyone expected a 4.6 even, from him.
the biggest problem for te'o is that he went from a solid player with A+ intangibles to the same solid player with the most bizarre intangible conceivable.
11. "I think he was...he's supposed to be a fabulous athlete" In response to Reply # 10
>better than 4.8, but i don't think anyone expected a 4.6 >even, from him. > >the biggest problem for te'o is that he went from a solid >player with A+ intangibles to the same solid player with the >most bizarre intangible conceivable.
Since high school
He was gonna be one of those USC bizarros
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17. "I think that the Alabama game hurt him more than the catfish situation." In response to Reply # 10
>the biggest problem for te'o is that he went from a solid >player with A+ intangibles to the same solid player with the >most bizarre intangible conceivable.
If he had beasted in that Alabama game like he had all season then teams wouldn't even care about the other stuff. But him playing in a national championship game and getting manhandled has got to have some teams thinking twice.
4.4 is pretty damn fast. 4.5 is functionally fast. if you got moves and/or strength, you can put in work with a 4.5
4.6, you better have hella moves and instincts and power and be incredibly smart/instinctive and never be out of position. you ain't scoring no 50 yd touchdowns unless your team be blocking they ass off.
on defense, if you a CB, and you running 4.5 or slower, you best be a cover 2 corner, or specialize w/ press man w/ a hellafied safety over the top and beastly pass rush. outside you can use the boundary to help you out somewhat. but if you get caught in single high or cover zero that's your ass.
for LBs, you can be functional w/ a 4.7. your 3 cone drill better be tight. you better have great change of direction, acceleration, short area burst AND instincts and positioning. you do all that shit you can hold it down inside the box.
get iso'd on a halfway speedy receiver, back or TE on a crossing route in pure man, though, and that's yo ass.
a wily vet (demeco ryans post achilles) will just squat outside the bump zone and fuck you up as you enter his territory. you don't have to have vintage urlacher type wheels (see what i did there?). but running 4.8 as a LB is limiting the shit out of what schemes you can play in.
you damn sure ain't running to cover deep middle in cover 2 versus 3 verts.
16. "For an inside linebacker it's all about how well you can read and react...." In response to Reply # 0
To what's going on in front of you. A lot of great middle LB's have had slow 40 times, conversely I've seen 4.5 guys that are useless because they are always out of position and/or are constantly overrunning plays.
12. "40 time hype is the reason ted gin jr was a top pick" In response to Reply # 0
it's kind of a big deal arguing that it means nothing is dumb when u consider the fact the league is offensive oriented and becoming more about finesse than about physical contact getting hype over v.davis 40 time is one thing because he's a physical specimen that can block, catch, and run perfect routes getting hype over ted ginn jr or desean jackson speed is dumb because they're one dimensional and the speed can be neutralized speed is a component and a very important one in the new era NFL but not the end all be all
all that being said te'o is a fucking bum not big enough to go thru linemen blocks and apparently not fast enough to go around them or cover 1 on 1 in the middle of the field
43. "Ginn's quite a bit easier to neutralize than Desean, agreed on the rest" In response to Reply # 12
>it's kind of a big deal >arguing that it means nothing is dumb when u consider the fact >the league is offensive oriented and becoming more about >finesse than about physical contact >getting hype over v.davis 40 time is one thing because he's a >physical specimen that can block, catch, and run perfect >routes >getting hype over ted ginn jr or desean jackson speed is dumb >because they're one dimensional and the speed can be >neutralized >speed is a component and a very important one in the new era >NFL but not the end all be all > >all that being said te'o is a fucking bum >not big enough to go thru linemen blocks and apparently not >fast enough to go around them or cover 1 on 1
13. "Teo is basically Posluszny or Laurinatis" In response to Reply # 0
Big, 4.8 running, Big Ten-area middle backers who play for 10 years cleaning up the run, who are nice complementary players but aren't good enough to lift your defense.
It just so happens that these guys get drafted in the 2nd round.
22. "Oh not an Animal diss at all" In response to Reply # 15
I think by any measure he's had a fine career in the NFL... it just seems if you need a 2 down middle backer, you might as well wait til the 5th or 6th round for that... hell I can think of a couple of guys like Dannell Ellerbe, Bart Scott, Vontaze Burfict that are fine run stuffing ILB types that were all UDFAs.
I'm pretty much expecting tOSU to run away with the Big Ten with Urb in charge these days.
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25. "That was the hype but I never saw it" In response to Reply # 21
People got gassed cause Notre Dame and he had 7 picks this year but I never saw it myself. If some backer can legitimately run a 4.6, they look like they can fucking fly against college competition... that's what Alec Ogletree runs and he was chasing down WRs and RBs from behind in the SEC. Never saw Teo do anything like that... 4.8 isn't even that sluggish of a time for an MLB! Honestly I think that this point hating on him for running a 4.8 is sorta piling on. I mean you had dudes like Brandon Spikes and Vontaze Burfict who couldn't crack a 5.0, that's really a disastrous time, but they turned out to be fine as players.
I think Teo will be just fine as a pro, he won't be Patrick Willis or anything, but he'll probably start and contribute pretty quickly.
41. "Admittedly I don't watch a ton of Rams games" In response to Reply # 34
I watched more of him when he was in college, but my impression of him now is that he's a good player who's not on a Patrick Willis or prime Ray Lewis level... is that way off the mark? Poz is a good player too and I think Teo can be good, there just isn't a ton of positional value at middle backer these days unless your guy is absolutely unreal.
42. "no, not off the mark at all..." In response to Reply # 41
definitely not on the level of those guys. He did lead the team in tackles and he (and Chris Long) kind of ignited the defense a few years ago. I just wondered, because it seemed like you had a strong opinion about him.
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63. "well, yeah. that would rule out about 99% of anyone ever" In response to Reply # 41 Tue Feb-26-13 08:54 AM by 3xKrazy
> who's not on >a Patrick Willis or prime Ray Lewis level... is that way off >the mark? Po
irrespective of whatever conference they came out of.
id be surprised to see teo as successful as laurainitis or poz. both are more athletic than teo and without the looney bird off the field shit which at bare minimum will hurt the opportunity to develop a leadership role. ideally you'd like that out of your mlb.
69. "Te'o's testing numbers are similar to Laurinaitis'" In response to Reply # 63
both ran a 4.82 (Te'o's 10-yard split was nearly two-tenths faster, though). Te'o was much better in the shuttle (4.27 to 4.78) and Laurinaitis was a little better in the cone (6.91 to 7.13). Te'o jumped higher (33" to 31") and Laurinaitis jumped farther (9'7 to 9'5).
I don't know where my first shuttle numbers came from, though. I agree about watching them on the field: A.J. Hawk was a guy who ran fast but didn't play fast.
and the biggest winners from the Te'o circus are Alec Ogletree and Kevin Minter. Minter blazed a 4.81 himself, and is three inches shorter than Te'o. Ogletree maybe had the worst Combine out of the three: 4.70 is mediocre for a coverage linebacker who doesn't take on blocks, and his shuttle / cone times were also pedestrian. the fact he was getting drunk a few weeks before the biggest workout of his life scares me -- players that don't care don't last long in the NFL.
39. "teammate in college ran a 4.34. this back in '85 (yeah) when cats " In response to Reply # 0
running under 4.4 was unheard of. we had 5 cats running 4.4 or under.
dude was 6'1, prolly 205, 210. wr.
used to SCORCH the acc.
hands wasn't the greatest. route running wasn't the greatest. never had to be. he mostly ran 9's. let somebody bite on PA, or let the safety be a step slow in getting over and it was 6.
his senior year (same year). he tore his achilles. still got drafted in the 3rd by KC. i don't think he made it out of preseason. that .15 secs (i think he got back to low 4.5s after his achilles -- which was something serious back then) was the difference between him having a pro career or him being just 'a guy'.
(mixed bag, b/c w/o the blazing top end speed and the long strides, he may have had to work on his route running and hands, from necessity, but still, that .15secs made all the difference in the world).
51. "probably mistimed " In response to Reply # 39
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44. "Is there any type of video or art that shows the difference in this shit..." In response to Reply # 0
Because it's always sounded overrated to me, when it's like "Naw he only did a 4.45, _____ got a 4.42!!!!!" and I'm like umm....the hell's the difference?
I can get a 4.2 vs a 4.8 being different for sure, but when it's only 0.1 and shit away, I just don't get it. And I don't get how OL's and even some LB's are running under 5 seconds either
59. "Each .2 is about a step" In response to Reply # 0
40 yd dash typically has 18 steps from start to finish. If your .2 less than the other guy is just a quicker start, that won't matter as much for a wr or db as it would a rb or lb. if your .2 is towards your acceleration/top speed that would be a huge advantage for longer plays but so much for shorter stuff, hope that makes sense. 40 is important but knowing what each 10 yard split a guy can run is really the important thing.
60. "+4.5 = "you might as well walk" - Firebrand" In response to Reply # 0
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