what gives?

i know subjctmattr "doesn't care" anymore.

what about the rest you guys? your boxscore app not working?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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>what about the rest you guys? your boxscore app not working?

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I am still part of the "Felton better" group

felton SUCKS

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>I am still part of the "Felton better" group

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

in general, all the morey-hating fuckboys should just slide under a rock for a while

yall lame and will continue to adjust goalposts and cosign each other like ya didn't gobble Ls on linsanity
waste of time upping threads ever time he shoots 30% from the floor (like he did last two games before this)
he's inconsistent and damn near all his efficiency numbers are below position avg.
shits old, knicks better, and only 5 weirdos on here still believe in linsanity

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meanwhile ya'll niggas said he'd be benched by xmas.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

of him"
like i said goal post moving
can't take u clowns seriously

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situation the last year is an asset cause it either comes off your books or will be a trade piece.

If you have a strapped cap like the knicks, then it is only a trade asset.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

literally every player in the league is a potential expiring contract
"But he's an expiring contract in two years!!!!"
lol that's where linsanity is at now?
the lengths you guys will go to spin it is kind of pathetic
it's like arguing with the fucking tea party at this point
u niggas weird (c) BOcean

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contracts you see like that? that's why it was a point regarding lin b.c people said he's not worth 14mil. But the 14 mil is an asset especially for a rockets team with cap flexibility.

damn you're dense.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>contracts you see like that? that's why it was a point
>regarding lin b.c people said he's not worth 14mil. But the 14
>mil is an asset especially for a rockets team with cap
>flexibility.
>
>damn you're dense.


you call yourself a lin stan and don't even understand his financial impact to the rockets......
u have no idea what you're talking about, not surprising tho

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houston had the option to keep it as 5,5,14 or 8,8,8...the fact that they chose the latter shows that they want him for the whole 3 years and aren't looking to deal him.

If you are looking at his deal as 8,8,8 this whole convo is moot cause he's earning his money. But people want to say he's not worth 14 mil, and that's fine b.c if you want you can trade him.

Not that hard.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

you can be as obtuse as 174 degrees when you want to be.

cenario remarked on how Uncle Truthy said livingston would be starting over him by christmas.

and then I referenced you referencing whether the only value in his contract would be when it ended, and likely it wouldn't be that much.

which you ran with here:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2062643&mesg_id=2062643&listing_type=search#2091516

and beavis chiming in "extension" as if it was a far fetched notion

or here:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2056858&mesg_id=2056858&listing_type=search#2085825

#154

"His new nickname should be Expires 2015"
cause that's going be the only thing stopping that contract from being the worst in professional sports that year

so the beverly angle off the board. toney douglas off the board, livingston starting over him off the board, not getting an extension, off the board, value as an expiring off the board.

we should go back to how much he sucks.

....

yeah that's becoming a problem, isn't it?

But I...
GET UNDER THE ROCK

He will never be worth 14 mill a year, so why sign a deal that pays him that? In any year?

All I ever said is we can get similar production for less than what Lin was demanding.
And we are as a Knick fan.

But trust me...I am wwwaaaayyyyy more worried about my team than I am about Jeremy Lin right now.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/02/deputy-commissioner-jeremy-lin-is-not-a-flash-in-the-pan/


I know that, from a fan's perspective, alot of that fans don't or shouldn't care about (short term), but long term? That contract for that sort of exposure is going to pay for itself and may pay dividends on the court if Rocket ownership chooses to reinvest.

Its all collectively bargained...
Jerseys etc. The Knicks get as big a piece as the Rockets do.
And the China TV deal...Dolan has cablevision, he ain't worried.

What this is abut is production and further flexibility. That contract will eventually be an albatross. Right now we're getting similar numbers out of Felton and not looking down the barrel of 14 mil.

Now moving on from Lin, and worried about my own free falling team.

>What this is abut is production and further flexibility

You always bring up this flexibility but never explain how the knicks achieve this(hint: it involves moving two players out of Melo, chandler and amare)

edit: the funny thing is that Lin's contract woulda came off the books the same time as the big 3's.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/11/lebron-tops-jersey-sale-list-lins-houston-gear-not-so-hot/

"Rockets have continued to remain a popular television attraction, both in China and in Taiwan"

well yea...the NBA is aggressively marketing the chinense demo and Yao already created a footprint there for the team
can anyone quantify Lin's impact on this and how it directly benefits the houston rockets?
or are we going to spin some generic ass "we're expanding globally" obviousness?

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http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Ive never lived in Houston so I cant call it.

I remember in the Hakeem days the Summit was packed and rowdy but that took years to build up.

The Toyota Center has been terrible with attendance even in Tmac and Yaos best years. Ive heard traffic, location, houston not having a big Chinese population (esp that lives near the stadium), ticket prices with the new stadium.

You see how empty shit was during All Star Saturday? Shit is embarassing.

But again the interesting thing is the Rockets are a Top 5 Draw away from home--ahead of even the Clippers. Teams build their Asian American Nights around when Jeremy is coming.

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Leslie Alexander's personal overseas concerns, particularly in Asia, are such that the premium he paid Lin over what the normal market value was will easily be recouped via his returns in other companies. The Volvo deal, for example, Alexander's companies are in bed with Geely at a number of levels, so he controls or is invested in the branding of Lin as spokesmen on multiple levels.

As a really global entity, "Lin" requires more scope to really understand.

>Leslie Alexander's personal overseas concerns, particularly
>in Asia, are such that the premium he paid Lin over what the
>normal market value was will easily be recouped via his
>returns in other companies. The Volvo deal, for example,
>Alexander's companies are in bed with Geely at a number of
>levels, so he controls or is invested in the branding of Lin
>as spokesmen on multiple levels.
>


so that's a no on the can you quantify any of it question......
Geely has a R&D pact with Volvo...and the rockets owner is actually a competitor of Geely in the distribution space
google better, smh. literally can not believe a damn thing posted here

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You are likely getting confused with old news about Rocket Capital's goings on 5 years ago. Alexander is not a director of Rocket Capital and they are no longer listed as investors in Brilliance, whom is a competitor in Greely. Rocket Investment instead does have a large financial stake in the CBA, but that dot is a bit too easy to connect.

Grahamstowe Investments Ltd...take a gander into their portfolio if you can find it.

ARE YOU JAMES DOLAN?

Why after all this time am I STILL explaining this to you?

thats why you are still explaining it, cause you never explained it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

and to sign 3 guys who are crucial to the team's success who are a combined 120.

and to dangle the only young player on the team as trade bait, because, wait for it....

THE DON'T HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY WHICH WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE JEREMY LIN SIGNING.

no no..that's not it.

it's the luxury tax narrative. yeah that's it.

cause the highest valued team in the NBA who self-finances it's arena's 1 billion dollar renovation is worried about money.

oh. wait.

IT DOESN'T
IT DOESN'T
IT DOESN'T

STOP SAYING THAT

An I suppose Amare's bad contract doesn't hinder the ability to make moves either.
I just want my team t be fiscally responsible...it is never a good idea to agree to a bad contract.

If you get the same or better for less do it. Period.

what moves can they make today that they couldn't make with Lin?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Or should we have actually evaluated talent AND salary?
And made the decision with the future in mind?

The day after one of, if not the worst losses in franchise history, you guys wanna debate a player that is not on our roster and if we should've signed him months ago...wow.

Look forward.

I also have eyes and a brain.

tell me something. in which direction is his productivity trending?

financial flexibility, why do you keep bringing that up?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

So because Amare's bad contract hinders the ability to make moves today that makes it OK to sign another bad contract?
So you can't make any other moves tomorrow?

Its called budgetting...planning...fiscal responsibilty...

I'm done here speak amongst yourselves.

>So because Amare's bad contract hinders the ability to make
>moves today that makes it OK to sign another bad contract?

If you have no cap flexibility the goal is to accumulate the best team you can, regardless of what it costs. Which is why they stiffened the luxury tax. As a fan, you shouldn't care about that though. Lin at 5,5, and 14 is not a bad deal. Its only bad b.c. of the luxury tax which again is not your concern. And its not just amare's contract. You'd have to get rid of amare and melo/chandler for the knicks to have any flexibility.


>So you can't make any other moves tomorrow?

The moves the knicks can make are the same moves they'd be able to make if they had Lin.

>
>Its called budgetting...planning...fiscal responsibilty...

Budgeting for what? planning for who? why do you care if dolan is fiscally responsible if it doesn't improve the team?
>

Edit: you want the knicks to be financially responsible because it sounds nice, but in reality it doesn't improve the team 1 bit.

Was Novak 4yr deal fiscally responsible?
how bout kidd's 3 yr deal?
Camby's?

It doesn't matter, they all come off around the time of the big 3.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I did see Dragic putting up Nash type numbers the other day

but compared to last year (Linsanity)

dude kind of disappeared

if the LAL catch HOU

can we imagine he never existed?

isn't he scheduled to start making like $18 million or something next year?

how's that going to sit with Harden?

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>I did see Dragic putting up Nash type numbers the other day
>
>but compared to last year (Linsanity)
>
>dude kind of disappeared
>
>if the LAL catch HOU
>
>can we imagine he never existed?
>
>isn't he scheduled to start making like $18 million or
>something next year?
>
>how's that going to sit with Harden?

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if the LAL catch HOU can we dead Linsanity forever?

yes or no

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Lin is a solid pg and will have a career in this league.

L for the haters.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

what's more interesting is how long before Morey is dead
he dumped two 23 yr old contributors for a player that hasn't shown shit yet in the nba
and if he doesn't nab josh smith soon (lol @ that being the primary goal now) then the rockets will be looking forward to the paul milsap sweepstakes this offseason
shit is pure comedy

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>what's more interesting is how long before Morey is dead
>he dumped two 23 yr old contributors for a player that hasn't
>shown shit yet in the nba
>and if he doesn't nab josh smith soon (lol @ that being the
>primary goal now) then the rockets will be looking forward to
>the paul milsap sweepstakes this offseason
>shit is pure comedy

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocket...reys-contract/

Quote:
“His contract is up next year, I believe,” Alexander said. “We’ll re-up him. Daryl knows that I judge him all the time. I’ve told him. He’s not shy about it either. He just knows that’s the way I operate. Why wouldn’t I? The general manager is the one person in your organization you can really judge. He can make good moves or bad moves. This year, I think he’s made three terrific moves.”


In your words: google better.

This is fairly recent information for you to let slip in smart mode lowermeriongentleman

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

midseason?
that's your rebuttal to the suspect ass future the rockets are about to have?
"And with the 14th pick the Houston Rockets select........HOT SEAT"

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I love how youre already hedging all your bets too.

You say Josh Smith isnt worth it but then you say we'll be stuck not getting Josh Smith and stuck with Paul Millsap sweepstakes. So which is it?


What would you do if you were the Rockets Gm right now? Id love to see your brilliant solutions.

Right now were in the playoffs and trending up when nobody expected us to even sniff the playoffs. LOL I think our win yesterday put us over the Vegas win O/U number.

You know that moving guys can sometimes be addition by subtraction. We have plenty of depth at p,f and now we also have a young prospect who you seem to have already thrown the towel in on because he played in a loaded front court on a mediocre team by looking up his boxscores?

Even with the loss of Patterson and Morris--it allows us to play Montejunas, Terrence Jones, and Greg Smith more. We arent losing much. RBO will tell you Terrance is more talented than PPAT. Were not gonna win the ring now, were just reloading. If we dont get smith or millsap or dwight, we can let these young guys develop. Im confident one of them with playing time will turn into a player.

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bwhhahaha
josh smith milsap doesn't matter
neither one is a max contract building block
it's not like the Coalition hasn't been hating on josh smith for the last x amount of yrs
of course you guys will put ur full support behind it if it happens now lol
who would expect anything else
i'd LOVE to read the spin if yall have to dump asik to get him
i'm sure some there'd be a reasonable "big picture" perspective for it right?
and yea TRob could be the next Amare
I mean he WAS a top 5 pick right? (lol @ that dumb shit)
or.....he could be just a guy who struggled against the length of Kentucky and so far has struggled against bigger guys in the NBA
iono hard to tell since he's overall metrics are shitty(no one from the Coalition touched those stats with a 10 foot pole!) and he couldn't take minutes from jason thompson and the like
guess we'll find out since a bunch of deep reserves will now get a ton of time on a team trying make a playoff run

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the rox are the youngest team in the nba and currently in a playoff spot.
he swindled presti for the third-best scorer in the NBA, who's also 23 years old and under a six year contract
he used a loophole in the CBA to pry lin and asik away from two huge market teams
he flipped a couple spare parts into the number 5 pick from last year, while clearing cap space
he has young contributors like parsons and greg smith on insanely cheap deals
royce white coming back
they have space for a max player this offseason

dude is putting on a motherfucking clinic in how to GM.

>midseason?
>that's your rebuttal to the suspect ass future the rockets are
>about to have?
>"And with the 14th pick the Houston Rockets select........HOT
>SEAT"


Gotta disagree...The Rockets brass made some savvy moves....

This is all about the future of the team and its ability to make major free-agent (cap space!!!!!) moves than anything else...

The Rockets are sitting pretty right now....Their future is bright...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

i mean realistic ones that don't require superstars leaving 30mil on the table to play for a team that's currently not a title contender
are we to the point where josh smith and al jefferson are the mega moves everyone was waiting for?
asking u cause ur not part of the Coalition and i don't think u have an agenda on this'

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that was kind of a big deal, getting the THIRD BEST SCORER IN THE NBA

with a team that knows it can't sign a player, wants space for the FAgent class of 2014, or isn't trying to pay the tax.

when you can't, you know, have 3 olympians decide to play with one another?

you keep cap flexibility and tradeable assets. who's doing that the best? Presti and Morey.

core is lin, harden, parsons, asik.

everyone else is assimilated into that group.
as the contributors around the core improve, they're kept, or moved for space or other assets.

why can you let douglas patterson and morris go?
because you have beverly, jones, montejunas, and robinson.

youngest team in the L, in the harder conference, shouldn't even be sniffing playoffs. it's a house money season.

they make the playoffs, all their assets increase in value.
they don't have a pick, as shawn noted. no worries, they got a top 5 from last year and 3 other first round forwards.

and once they decline the option on garcia, shit ton of cap space.

Morey's as locked in as any GM doing it right now.

except you.

While there are plenty of Morey nuthuggers in the media, there are also a number of haters.


Good read for when you defend Morey to your Philly boys in the barbershop
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8970449/the-trade-deadline-exchange-part-1

im convinced you take opposite sides of arguments you have in real life here so you can get ammo and arguing points.

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from both sides have always been worrisome....

Lin was never a horrible player...And on the other side of things, he was not worth the contract he got from Houston...

In some ways, that contract is always going to hover over Lin's head...Which is a bit unfair (While NY made the right decision to not over-pay, I can't fault the kid for getting his paper)...

Bottom line...Lin doesn't need to be a superstar to prosper in Houston...It's always been about staying consistent when it comes to the kid...If he averages 15 and 5 at around 44-45 percent shooting the rest of his career, no one should have anything to say...

But if Lin does the up and down yo-yo thing, then folks will continue to give him shade...

As is, he's doing pretty good RIGHT NOW...Let's see him keep it up...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>Lin was never a horrible player...And on the other side of
>things, he was not worth the contract he got from Houston...
>
>In some ways, that contract is always going to hover over
>Lin's head...Which is a bit unfair (While NY made the right
>decision to not over-pay, I can't fault the kid for getting
>his paper)...

It's not an unreasonable contract at all...

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

If he even sniffs the potential he showed on the Knicks, then that's a terrific deal. I fail to see how people think he's overpaid. Any PG of Lin's age who did what Lin did during a season would absolutely get similar if not more money.

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>>Lin was never a horrible player...And on the other side of
>>things, he was not worth the contract he got from Houston...
>>
>>In some ways, that contract is always going to hover over
>>Lin's head...Which is a bit unfair (While NY made the right
>>decision to not over-pay, I can't fault the kid for getting
>>his paper)...
>
>It's not an unreasonable contract at all...

I don't think he was worth it...But the kid can always prove me wrong...And really, it doesn't matter what I think...lol...I would get my money too...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

no shade to those dudes. however what's their ceiling? and is it worth a 40m investment?

are re: 15 n 5?

between his last 5, last 10, and this month (8), he's averaging 17 and 7.

current per game averages are 13 and 6. which are mike conley's career numbers, minus the "savvy" and "grit"

the real lin evaluation comes all star break next year. when morey's spent the money, when the rookies are a year older. full training camp.

if he's not statistically better and passing the eye test, then clown away. I just always thought it was too early to dance on a first year starter.

>
>
>from both sides have always been worrisome....
>
>Lin was never a horrible player...And on the other side of
>things, he was not worth the contract he got from Houston...
>
>In some ways, that contract is always going to hover over
>Lin's head...Which is a bit unfair (While NY made the right
>decision to not over-pay, I can't fault the kid for getting
>his paper)...
>
>Bottom line...Lin doesn't need to be a superstar to prosper in
>Houston...It's always been about staying consistent when it
>comes to the kid...If he averages 15 and 5 at around 44-45
>percent shooting the rest of his career, no one should have
>anything to say...
>
>But if Lin does the up and down yo-yo thing, then folks will
>continue to give him shade...
>
>As is, he's doing pretty good RIGHT NOW...Let's see him keep
>it up...
>
>
>
>

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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you can't understand it with an explanation

lin deal is 3 yrs 25 mil
Dragic is 4yrs 30 mil

you can't just compare 1 year.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

that's the main reason morey let him walk. if a player is undervalued, they opt out - if they're not earning their check, they stay. it makes them far less valuable trade chips.

on the contracts

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http://static.globalgrind.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article_images_540/images/2012_july/image_6.jpeg

I'll stick with my original point..

There's been too much shit thrown on the kid...And too much praise...

I'm somewhere in the middle with Lin...He's a decent player who so far has proven that he can be even better...I like the kid...Underdog stories always get me...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

during linsanity he deserved all the praise he got during last season.

then it became about his contract and people saying he belonged in the dleague.

This has been the 1st positive lin post made this season...compared to at least 4-5 negative posts that were getting upped earlier in the year.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>
>
>I'll stick with my original point..
>
>There's been too much shit thrown on the kid...And too much
>praise...
>
>I'm somewhere in the middle with Lin...He's a decent player
>who so far has proven that he can be even better...I like the
>kid...Underdog stories always get me...

bwhahaha fucking idiots

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