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"Derrick Rose vs The World:"
Tue Feb-12-13 12:15 PM by auragin_boi

  

          

In honor of D-Rose returning very soon (see you guys within the next two weeks ) I wanted to put him back in 'the convo'.

I know some of you are like "will he be the same?" and I'm like "will he be better". Adrian Peterson gives me hope. Besides, Shumpert doesn't look so bad. Rubio is looking better by the day (even outplayed Kyrie last night). So yeah, I'm just gonna cross my fingers and be optimistic.

We got Basa on board (except when he play vs Kyrie lol) so this should be a whole lot of fun!

With that said...Derrick Rose vs The World:

vs CP3 (5-0)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=paulch01
CP3 never beat him, hasn't had as much playoff success and doesn't have as many MVP's. Sorry Guinness...Paul has outplayed him head to head tho. Guess there's always that.

vs Deron Better (5-2)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=willide01
Rose always finds a way to embarrass this nigga but he's had a decent game or two against Rose...but it's mostly embarrassment.

vs Ronda (get well soon bro)(6-6)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=rondora01
Early on Rondo was abusing D-Rose head to head. Recently, the tides have turned (30ppg on 50% shooting the last 3 meetings vs Rondo).

vs Volde (3-3)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=westbru01
Rose outplays him a 'smidge' or vice versa. Hard to believe they haven't faced each other since late 2010.

vs Scrubby Ass Gunner (7-3)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=jennibr01
Shit seems unfair at times. That 30pt/17ast game was particularly nasty. Embarrassed Jennings the whole second half. At one point Rose scored and Brandon looked at his big man taking the ball out of bounds and shrugged his shoulders/lifted his hands as if to say "what can I do?" TADOOOW (c) Ice Cube.

vs Top 5 Tony (4-2)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=parketo01
Tony be in awe at a bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic version of himself. Oui, oui!

vs Jrue the Damaja (5-4)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=holidjr01
Jrue hadn't really come into his own yet but there were signs. Gonna be fun watching them battle going forward.

vs Off the Wall (4-0)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=walljo01
Damn...Johnny hasn't even come close.

vs Young Spice (2-3)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=curryst01
Steph has outplayed Rose decisively 3 times...all 3 were W's.

vs Felt-on (4-5)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=feltora01
Surprisingly, Ray Ray gives D-Rose a lil trouble head to head.

vs Lawson (1-2)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=lawsoty01
Ty wasn't really a starter yet so this is incomplete.

vs Conley Junior (3-2)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=conlemi01
Damn he be shitting on Mike something fierce.

vs Linsanity (2-0)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=linje01
First game doesn't really count but I was at the second one, in the thick of "Linsanity". Shitted all on lil dude lol.

vs Live Like 'Rie aka Uncle Drew
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=irvinky01
Every time they were slated to play in the last 2 yrs, one of them was injured. To be continued.

51-32 vs the better PG's in the game.

I miss this type of stuff:
2:00 mark...Tyreke Break Dancing (c) basa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETwS_roavPM

Watch for the hook Andre LMAO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAInRhaiW7I&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bAGHIhZj398#!
^^^Tragic Dragic

Get excited fool! D-Rose will be back soon as shit!

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Good post, PG Warz LIVES!
Feb 12th 2013
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nice
Feb 12th 2013
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Me?
Feb 12th 2013
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Oh, and does Chris Paul have a winning record against anybody
Feb 12th 2013
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You're not still thinking Deron is better do you?
Feb 12th 2013
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      just wait till deron gets help.
Feb 13th 2013
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I'm here for Scrubby Ass Gunner
Feb 12th 2013
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I'm still not sure where I stand.
Feb 12th 2013
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Season ends April 17th...that'd be waaaaay too late
Feb 12th 2013
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Number matchups dont say much when it comes to point guards...
Feb 12th 2013
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There is so much to like about Derrick Rose
Feb 12th 2013
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.......
Feb 12th 2013
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2 weeks?
Feb 12th 2013
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he not playing this season...
Feb 12th 2013
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RE: 2 weeks?
Feb 12th 2013
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If he comes back and is even 85% of what he was
Feb 12th 2013
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RE: If he comes back and is even 85% of what he was
Feb 12th 2013
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lol no
Feb 13th 2013
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agreed...he need to chill
Feb 12th 2013
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I dont get the need to rush him, seriously
Feb 12th 2013
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      RE: I dont get the need to rush him, seriously
Feb 12th 2013
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      Actually he turns 25 in October...but nobody is rushing the kid.
Feb 12th 2013
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           RE: Actually he turns 25 in October...but nobody is rushing the kid.
Feb 12th 2013
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                I think you underestimate this team
Feb 12th 2013
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                     I Kinda Agree
Feb 12th 2013
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                     RE: I think you underestimate this team
Feb 12th 2013
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                          C'mon fam...it was one game 4 days before allstar break
Feb 12th 2013
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                               RE: C'mon fam...it was one game 4 days before allstar break
Feb 13th 2013
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Stop pissing on my parade dammit
Feb 12th 2013
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RE: Stop pissing on my parade dammit
Feb 12th 2013
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      Dude...it's an ACL, not a spinal injury
Feb 12th 2013
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           I'll listen to Magic....
Feb 12th 2013
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                Murph...you do realize we are .5 behind 3rd seed Indy right?
Feb 12th 2013
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                     RE: Murph...you do realize we are .5 behind 3rd seed Indy right?
Feb 12th 2013
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this debate is so goddamned silly.
Feb 12th 2013
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LOL
Feb 12th 2013
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Well considering he only made the playoffs twice in his first 4 seasons
Feb 12th 2013
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man, fuck all that research.
Feb 12th 2013
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he walked into a mighty fine situation
Feb 12th 2013
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RE: he walked into a mighty fine situation
Feb 12th 2013
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      deng and noah were there. bottomline. that's two all-stars
Feb 12th 2013
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           So did Rondo and Wessy if that's the case.
Feb 13th 2013
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           rose make 'em great? great as in being all-stars or being champs?
Feb 13th 2013
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           Nigga calm THE hell down and READ what I said
Feb 13th 2013
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           lol, one conference finals does not equal great, homes
Feb 13th 2013
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           Rose came in 2008...Deng and Noah didn't make allstar until 2012...
Feb 13th 2013
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           no he didn't. they played well before him and after him.
Feb 13th 2013
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                RE: no he didn't. they played well before him and after him.
Feb 13th 2013
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                     this insanity is exactly why the bulls can't win. their fans.
Feb 13th 2013
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                          RE: this insanity is exactly why the bulls can't win. their fans.
Feb 13th 2013
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                               i didn't say he walked into an ideal situation...no one does
Feb 13th 2013
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           RE: deng and noah were there. bottomline. that's two all-stars
Feb 13th 2013
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NBA Finals?
Feb 13th 2013
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<<< oui
Feb 14th 2013
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Regular season is blah
Feb 13th 2013
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Derrick Rose vs The Media:
Feb 13th 2013
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RE: Derrick Rose vs The Media:
Feb 13th 2013
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Rose vs Wall: who got fatter?
Feb 14th 2013
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Rose is in shape, hit his rehab hard and added 10lbs of muscle
Feb 14th 2013
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DONT DO IT BULLS!!!!
Feb 14th 2013
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1. "Good post, PG Warz LIVES!"
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2. "nice"
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''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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3. "Me? "
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Hesitant Optimism....


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4. "Oh, and does Chris Paul have a winning record against anybody"
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10. "You're not still thinking Deron is better do you?"
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You can think it's Tony, or Rose, or Westbrook or whatever but Deron? Take that L dude.

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45. "just wait till deron gets help."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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5. "I'm here for Scrubby Ass Gunner"
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6. "I'm still not sure where I stand."
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I don't think dude should come back until April personally.
And even then with limited minutes. But "limited minutes" isn't in Thibs vocabulary.

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7. "Season ends April 17th...that'd be waaaaay too late"
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because the playoffs ramp up the intensity more.

He'll need a good 25-30 games under his belt to be playoff ready.

Shumpert got hurt the same day and has been playing for 3 weeks and starts now.

I don't see him not playing any later than March 2nd but I wouldn't be shocked if he gets 15 mins next tues vs the hornets.

Realistically, I think his first game is next Friday vs Cha.

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8. "Number matchups dont say much when it comes to point guards..."
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Half of the scoring point guards do doesn't even occur in matchups with the other point because of the prevalence of the pick and roll.

With that being said....Rose is a bad mother fucker.

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9. "There is so much to like about Derrick Rose"
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I wish he comes back strong as ever. Chi is def the team DC hopes to be.

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11. "......."
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http://i.imgur.com/rN8o2.gif

  

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12. "2 weeks?"
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A source "close to the situation" tells Yahoo Sports that Derrick Rose (knee) is not expected back before March 1.
There has been no setback with Rose's rehab as he's reportedly "in a good place." But on Monday he admitted to only feeling around 85 percent and said he won't return until he's 110 percent. The Bulls certainly won't rush their franchise player, especially since they're coasting along with a 30-21 record. Stashers need to keep expectations in check as Rose's minutes and games played will likely be restricted when he finally does return.

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13. "he not playing this season..."
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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14. "RE: 2 weeks?"
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I'm saying...

Are we beating the Heat in the playoffs? How about Indy? Or a healthy Knicks team? Hell, we just got beat by a San Antonio squad with no TP, Manu, and Timmy D....

If we can't beat any of those teams in a playoff situation, then why rush the kid back? This is our future we are talking about...

Man, I feel like the lone voice in the wilderness when it comes to this debate...lol

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16. "If he comes back and is even 85% of what he was"
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We beat everyone not named Miami in the East.

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19. "RE: If he comes back and is even 85% of what he was"
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Tue Feb-12-13 04:47 PM by murph71

          

>We beat everyone not named Miami in the East.


No...we don't....

I'll say it again...Thibs has been working magic...But to say that I'm not surprised that we have 30 wins with Nate starting at point would be a lie...This team has been playing over its head...

And I can't expect them to continue this during the grind of the 'offs with a shaky Rose still trying to get his physical prowess and timing back...

U mentioned Shump...That kid has the liberty of coming off the bench and not having to be a savior...

Bulls/Rose is in a whole different boat....

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40. "lol no"
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18. "agreed...he need to chill"
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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20. "I dont get the need to rush him, seriously"
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I know hes hungry and got a chip on his shoulder, but hes what 23? Theres a lot of ball to be played and you still have a decently young team.

Absolutely no reason to bring him back this year except to let him warm up for next season in like mid march.

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21. "RE: I dont get the need to rush him, seriously"
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>I know hes hungry and got a chip on his shoulder, but hes
>what 23? Theres a lot of ball to be played and you still have
>a decently young team.
>
>Absolutely no reason to bring him back this year except to
>let him warm up for next season in like mid march.



^^^^^^^^^

Gets it....

I'm looking at the future...Not what we can do in the first round of the playoffs....

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22. "Actually he turns 25 in October...but nobody is rushing the kid."
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Up until today, the estimate was shortly after the allstar break.

Initially I wanted him to sit the season, but we are a top 4 seed and IF he plays, he'll need 25-30 games to get comfortable IMO.

So either he sits the year or he starts to get some games in within the next 2-3 weeks otherwise there's no point to coming back to play the last 15 games and the playoffs.

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24. "RE: Actually he turns 25 in October...but nobody is rushing the kid."
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>Up until today, the estimate was shortly after the allstar
>break.
>
>Initially I wanted him to sit the season, but we are a top 4
>seed and IF he plays, he'll need 25-30 games to get
>comfortable IMO.
>
>So either he sits the year or he starts to get some games in
>within the next 2-3 weeks otherwise there's no point to coming
>back to play the last 15 games and the playoffs.


I feel u homie....

But I'm saying our great coaching and heart have given folks an inflated sense of how good this team really is...

This Bulls squad is def. a playoff team...But what does that mean in the East?

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26. "I think you underestimate this team"
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If Derrick is 'reasonably' Derrick, I think we beat everyone in the East not named Miami if healthy.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but when you get down to the final 4 teams, you have a legit shot at a ring. You never know what can happen.

Someone sprains an ankle, a team is upset and you land in the Finals.

IF he's healthy, I see no reason not to let him come back for the playoff push.

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29. "I Kinda Agree"
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First off, FUCK the Bulls, lol
But on the real, if Rose CAN come back, you play him. You gotta see what you have at the very least going into the off-season. He is the franchise, and you can develop some sort of chemistry with what fits and what doesn't going into the off-season

PLUS

If the East is vulnerable, everyone has a shot. As good as Miami is, they CAN be beaten. You gotta take that chance, assuming Rose can come back this year.

  

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30. "RE: I think you underestimate this team"
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Not when we have issues beating San Antonio with a laughable rotations filled with 2nd and 3rd, and 4th bench guys....

I'm just a bit more realistic about the situation...But I know Thibs is a defensive genius...And I know Deng, Noah and crew got major heart...

I can cheer for that....

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33. "C'mon fam...it was one game 4 days before allstar break"
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against a VERY well coached team.

We are banged up (Kirk, Booz, Noah and I'd bet Deng is ailing a bit too).

You place stock in that but not the fact that we beat OKC, Miami (twice) and the Knicks (twice) sans Rose?

You aren't being realistic, you're being reactionary cuz you're disappointed at the last loss. We lost to Cha and Wash this year too.

Sometimes a team just has a good night. But the team has risen to the occasion for the better teams.

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47. "RE: C'mon fam...it was one game 4 days before allstar break"
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Well coached? Good night? Yeah, Pop is that dude...But again, there's no reason we should be losing AT HOME to a team that doesn't have Stephen, Tim, Tony and Manu on the floor...

There's no way to excuse this...I don't care if Red Auerback is coaching the Spurs...

It is what it is...

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15. "Stop pissing on my parade dammit"
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I'm hoping he starts to feel more 'normal' over the next few weeks.

A couple of weeks worth of practice and he might be ready.

I think dude is just tired of being asked 'when' so he's giving 'vague' answers. Then he'll show up one game near the end of the month and everyone will be elated.

Realistically, he could sit out until they feel he can go 30mpg (maybe another month) but I'm hoping he feels 110% soon.

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17. "RE: Stop pissing on my parade dammit"
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>I'm hoping he starts to feel more 'normal' over the next few
>weeks.
>
>A couple of weeks worth of practice and he might be ready.
>
>I think dude is just tired of being asked 'when' so he's
>giving 'vague' answers. Then he'll show up one game near the
>end of the month and everyone will be elated.
>
>Realistically, he could sit out until they feel he can go
>30mpg (maybe another month) but I'm hoping he feels 110%
>soon.


I hope he feels 120 percent....

Next season....

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23. "Dude...it's an ACL, not a spinal injury"
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When it's all said and done, Derrick knows his body better than anyone. So it's whenever he feels it's right.

But let's stop acting like him not playing until next season is gonna somehow protect him from injury.

He's damn near taken 2yrs off from high contact basketball (lockout, missing half of last season and now almost 10 months of rehab). No amount of prep and training will prepare you for game action/speed.

Basketball is a shock to the system and the longer you stay away from it, the harder it is to get a rhythm back and in Derrick's case, the more likely he'll get some other nagging injury. Notice how dude didn't get hurt until he had to sit for an extended period (the lockout).

If the doctors say the knee is fully recovered and D-Rose feels right, let him cook. If not, wait until it is and he does.

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25. "I'll listen to Magic...."
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Tue Feb-12-13 05:07 PM by murph71

          

>When it's all said and done, Derrick knows his body better
>than anyone. So it's whenever he feels it's right.

I don't trust athletes when it comes to injuries...They will scratch and claw to get back on the field or court...That's just the way it is...


>But let's stop acting like him not playing until next season
>is gonna somehow protect him from injury.

Well, it would give him more time to do rehab...And get that knee stronger..I'm just using common sense here...


>He's damn near taken 2yrs off from high contact basketball
>(lockout, missing half of last season and now almost 10 months
>of rehab). No amount of prep and training will prepare you
>for game action/speed.

I would be with you if we were battling it out for a top 3 spot...But we are not...I'm not going to lean heavy on the kid just to get a 4th or 5th seed...


>Basketball is a shock to the system and the longer you stay
>away from it, the harder it is to get a rhythm back and in
>Derrick's case, the more likely he'll get some other nagging
>injury. Notice how dude didn't get hurt until he had to sit
>for an extended period (the lockout).

He got hurt because there was too much pressure on him to be God on that team...but that's another subject...


>If the doctors say the knee is fully recovered and D-Rose
>feels right, let him cook. If not, wait until it is and he
>does.

So far, doctors are saying he's not ready...So I would keep that cautious approach...

I'm patient, homie...The kid hasn't even hit his prime yet...Sure, let him cook...Rehabbing that knee, that is...

Magic had it right...If you not winning a chip or at the very least scaring Miami, don't rush the kid back...

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28. "Murph...you do realize we are .5 behind 3rd seed Indy right?"
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And were the 3rd seed until we lost the head to head with them last week?

And are only 3 games back of the 2 seed NY?

I actually think NY is catchable and at worst we'd be the 3 seed.

I'm gonna say this...if dude feels right within 3 weeks, we have a STRONG shot at the ECF. If not, he should prolly sit it out cuz we looking at a second round exit even with him if he doesn't have enough game action to settle in.

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31. "RE: Murph...you do realize we are .5 behind 3rd seed Indy right?"
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>And were the 3rd seed until we lost the head to head with
>them last week?
>
>And are only 3 games back of the 2 seed NY?
>
>I actually think NY is catchable and at worst we'd be the 3
>seed.
>
>I'm gonna say this...if dude feels right within 3 weeks, we
>have a STRONG shot at the ECF. If not, he should prolly sit
>it out cuz we looking at a second round exit even with him if
>he doesn't have enough game action to settle in.


*Tip of the hat....*

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34. "this debate is so goddamned silly."
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not a one of us is derrick rose's doctor. no one is privy to his medical records and no one knows exactly how far along his rehab is.

the bottom line is thus : when he's 100% he should play. whether that's in 2 weeks, at the end of April, beginning of next season. whatever. 100%. not before, not after.

no need to rush him. no need to baby him either.

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27. "LOL"
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Tue Feb-12-13 05:20 PM by Guinness

  

          

i like the enthusiasm, but CP3 > rose. even though CP3 has outplayed him (as you pointed out), a tiny collection of head-to-head games doesn't mean much.

i mostly wanted to check your claim that rose has had more post-season success, as paul's numbers in the playoffs are better than what d-rose has put up. rose has lost in the first round every year except one, where they went to the ECF. paul has gotten out of the first round twice. since team success is pretty much a wash, i'm going to say that the dude with the superior stats has had "more success."

paul: 20 ppg on 47% FG, 5 rebs, 10 assists, 3 TOs
rose: 25 ppg on 42% FG, 5 rebs, 7 assists, 4 TOs

the difference is really pronounced if we bring in stuff like TS%, offensive rating and WS/48.

you're right about the MVP award, since kobe stole CP3's. whatever the case, i hope rose comes back and kills it. love watching him play.

  

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32. "Well considering he only made the playoffs twice in his first 4 seasons"
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And NO only had winning records those 2 seasons, I'd say Rose is ahead of him there since Rose hasn't missed the post season since he's been in the league.

But statistically, yeah, Paul's a better player.

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35. "man, fuck all that research."
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i keep it simple.

mvp. 60 win season. conference finals.

if the cat you're repping in PG WARZ ain't got all 3 then you boxing w t-rex arms. come holla at me after he gets his weight up. i'm not even entertaining your argument otherwise.

matter fact, let him get ONE of the three and i *might* engage you. before then? nah. all them niggas is just sons.

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36. "he walked into a mighty fine situation"
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37. "RE: he walked into a mighty fine situation"
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http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/year/2008

  

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38. "deng and noah were there. bottomline. that's two all-stars"
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39. "So did Rondo and Wessy if that's the case."
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And Rose's help ain't the same calibur.

KG+Ray+Pierce = Legit shot at a title
Harden+Durant = Legit shot at a title

Dent+Noah = good team but not great.

Rose makes them great.

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43. "rose make 'em great? great as in being all-stars or being champs?"
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because they all-stars WITHOUT HIM. booz was an all-star WITHOUT...almost was again THIS YEAR! they balling WITHOUT HIM!

and when all were healthy and had a shot...he got shut down against the heat.

that is ALL we have to go on...those facts.

y'all can't even wait until he get back on the court to start with this crazy talk.

like i said, i hope he come back 100% and go nuts...but, you can't keep giving him credit for other dudes performances. them dudes playing they hearts out, keepin that team afloat and making all-star game, being recognized by other coaches for what they've done and you have the nerve to give ALL the credit for that to rose.

c'mon, dogg. this is why i be so disgusted and go so hard. y'all crazy.

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50. "Nigga calm THE hell down and READ what I said"
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>because they all-stars WITHOUT HIM. booz was an all-star
>WITHOUT...almost was again THIS YEAR! they balling WITHOUT
>HIM!

1)As everyone pointed out...none of them dudes made an allstar team before Rose got there (though I thought Deng and Gordon deserved it)

2)Booz was an allstar, cool. But he came after the fact.

3)I didn't lie, the Bulls aren't a GREAT team without Rose (as evidenced by them being a marginal playoff team prior to him that MISSED the playoffs and to them being a first round losing team last yr without him and likely having 2nd rd as their max right now without him). They are a good team without him. Deng & co werent winning 60 games until he got there and MVP'd (meaning he developed to the point to lead them there). They were winning mid 40's.

>and when all were healthy and had a shot...he got shut down
>against the heat.

Growing pains of being THE man on the team. He's gotta learn how to handle that but what in the blue hell does it have to do with his mark on the team?

>that is ALL we have to go on...those facts.

Yup and none of them change my statement to being false.

>y'all can't even wait until he get back on the court to start
>with this crazy talk.

C'mon man...if you gonna be on board, you can't be this sensitive about me saying he made us a contender. You gonna say Rose walked into a good situation...cool but so did Rondo (3 fucking hall of famers on your team in yr 2) and Wessy (#2 pick, #4 pick and tons of talent). You can't discount Rose if you don't discount them. Point being...statement was moot as hell.

>like i said, i hope he come back 100% and go nuts...but, you
>can't keep giving him credit for other dudes performances.
>them dudes playing they hearts out, keepin that team afloat
>and making all-star game, being recognized by other coaches
>for what they've done and you have the nerve to give ALL the
>credit for that to rose.
>
>c'mon, dogg. this is why i be so disgusted and go so hard.
>y'all crazy.

You the one who took a small observation out of context while trying to downplay Rose's impact to the Bulls' ceiling. C'mon yaself fam.

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52. "lol, one conference finals does not equal great, homes"
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----
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42. "Rose came in 2008...Deng and Noah didn't make allstar until 2012..."
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Matter of fact, this will be Noah's first all star game

Rose made them into ALL-STARS...


That's what a MVP does, make his team better.


Quit acting brand new...


Rose was an all star before Deng and Noah fam.



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44. "no he didn't. they played well before him and after him. "
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____________________________________________________


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48. "RE: no he didn't. they played well before him and after him. "
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They played like two "good" players....But they were not all-stars...

Until Rose started to cook...

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49. "this insanity is exactly why the bulls can't win. their fans. "
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are you seriously gonna credit rose for the performances of deng, booz and noah THIS YEAR? you gonna give him the credit for noah and deng being all-stars NOW?

where was rose when deng was frying the world champs heat in 2007? he ain't make deng THAT player...deng improved on his own. he STILL BALLIN on his own.

you don't see me giving kyrie credit for tristan thompson finally figuring things out. tristan worked hard.

i tell you what...rose ain't make tyrus better. DID HE?!?!?!

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51. "RE: this insanity is exactly why the bulls can't win. their fans. "
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>are you seriously gonna credit rose for the performances of
>deng, booz and noah THIS YEAR? you gonna give him the credit
>for noah and deng being all-stars NOW?

I'm going to credit Rose with helping his teammates become better players as I would any exceptional PG...

No one ever said Deng and Noah were bums...In fact...they are damn good players...And they have become two of my favorite Bulls...

But it was YOU talking about Rose coming into an ideal situation...As if his team's success was already a forgone conclusion...That's what people are drawing the line on...

Because that was not the case...

Rose willed that team to go deep into the playoffs...Sure, they can reel off 50 or so wins in the regular season without the kid, but without Rose in the Offs u get a first-round exit...



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54. "i didn't say he walked into an ideal situation...no one does"
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i said he walked into a MIGHTY FINE situation...prolly the best since duncan got paired with d-rob.

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46. "RE: deng and noah were there. bottomline. that's two all-stars"
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Chill, brother Basa...

They just recently became all-stars...

That team was not a walk in situation for Rose...He had the most responsibility put on his shoulders after Bron's time in Cleveland...Dude had to lead the team in assists and scoring in almost every game for the Bulls to have a chance against the elite teams....





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56. "NBA Finals?"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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57. "<<< oui"
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☻☻☻☻☻☻☻

not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4...

  

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41. "Regular season is blah"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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53. "Derrick Rose vs The Media:"
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-12/sports/ct-spt-0213-haugh-chicago--20130213_1_derrick-rose-wasserman-media-group-adidas


Who's running show regarding Rose's return?

Bulls say comeback a medical decision, recent comments make you wonder if it's his agency's marketing decision

February 12, 2013|David Haugh's In the Wake of the News

All Chicago cares about reading next about Derrick Rose can be found only in a box score.

ROSE: 32 MINS, 11-17 FG, 4-5 FT, 27 PTS.

Everybody just wants Rose to produce statistics that are real, not interviews that are orchestrated. Nothing else in the Bulls season that hits the All-Star break Thursday really matters until Rose returns to the court to lead a playoff run — unless Rose doesn't return at all.

Rose oddly broached that possibility himself in a USA Today exclusive Tuesday that demanded everybody's attention because it raised questions that go beyond the stability of his knee — questions perhaps not even the Bulls can answer.

Questions about whether the humble hometown hero from Englewood has gotten lost somewhere amid a corporate marketing campaign packaging him. Questions about how much control the Bulls really have over a player they have invested $95 million in — or $165 million less than Adidas invested. Questions about who ultimately will decide when or if Rose plays this season: Team Rose or his NBA team?

"I'm not coming back until I'm 110 percent,'' Rose said. "Who knows when that can be? It can be within a couple of weeks. It could be next year. It could be any day. It could be any time. It's just that I'm not coming back until I'm ready.''

Asked to put a percentage on his health, the Bulls guard gave hope to everyone who had next season in the When-Will-D-Rose-Return? pool.

"Right now, probably in the high 80s," Rose said. "Far away. Far away."

Remember that nothing Rose has said or done during his rehabilitation has happened by accident. Adidas turned Rose's grueling recovery from knee surgery to repair a torn ACL into a slick six-part commercial for its pitch man titled "The Return.''

As compelling as every scene was to watch, it was heal-for-hire. In the episode that includes Rose returning to the United Center floor, he hugs his brother as a group of fans, brought in for the shoot, cheer. It made for a great commercial but blurred fantasy with reality enough to create cynicism about anything potentially affecting Rose's brand campaign.

You know, like Tuesday's strategic comments. When first reading Rose's quote Tuesday about "not coming back until I'm 110 percent'' I admit to wondering if those words would be part of an upcoming ad campaign, complete with Twitter hashtag: #110percent.

Rose seemingly putting the brakes on his comeback during the interview with a hand-picked, national publication was as calculated as everything else about his recovery. According to the Bulls, Rose's Los Angeles-based agency, the Wasserman Media Group, set up the sit-down. Same goes for interviews with two other national outlets that have yet to air or publish.

The Bulls say Rose is free to speak whenever he desires but have spent the season keeping him off-limits to local reporters who cover the team every day. The silent treatment represented a departure for an organization that did a tremendous, transparent job post-injury using team doctors to explain in detail the injury and rehabilitation plan. Suddenly, days before the NBA All-Star break when shoe companies typically have a captive audience, Adidas' $260 million man bared his soul to the national media. Coincidence?

"When he's comfortable and ready to talk," Tom Thibodeau said Tuesday, "he'll talk.''

Does it strike anybody else as odd that the Bulls can't compel Rose to speak publicly about what's next in his career but his agent can? B.J. Armstrong, who represents Rose, never had this much clout in the organization when he was an assistant general manager or a Jordanaire.

The broader issue involves how much influence Armstrong and others at Wasserman will wield in determining whether Rose returns in late February or March or waits to re-launch his career next fall. If you accept the premise that Rose raising the possibility that he might miss the entire season represents an choreographed move by his agency, then it's not hard to imagine Rose's handlers having input into when he returns. And if people who have Rose's financial interests (as well as millions of their own) in mind start meddling into what's best for the Bulls' basketball interests, that poses a problem.

The Bulls go into Wednesday night's game against the Celtics 30-21. In an East mired in mediocrity, the Bulls have every reason to believe they can make a run to the conference finals if Rose returns next month. His injury occurred April 28. Unless Rose suffered a setback, 10 full months typically represents a conservative timetable for an athlete of Rose's caliber to recover.

The Bulls maintain doctors ultimately will decide when that happens. Or maybe we should ask Wasserman?

dhaugh@tribune.com

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55. "RE: Derrick Rose vs The Media:"
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The mania surrounding Derrick Rose's return reached a high point this week.

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The narrative surrounding the return of Derrick Rose has officially gone off the deep end. On Tuesday afternoon, the first snippets of Rose's exclusive interview with USA Today made the rounds with some confusing, if not downright contradictory, quotes regarding his return. Rose said that he won't come back until he's '110 percent healthy', that he's probably in the 'high 80s' right now and that a timetable for his return remains very much undefined.

"It can be within a couple of weeks. It could be next year. It could be any day. It could be any time. It's just that I'm not coming back until I'm ready."

The first report sparked speculation in the media that perhaps Rose isn't coming back. After all, he raised possibility himself. ESPN Chicago's Scott Powers followed up and had a source tell him that Rose's return this season is '50/50'.

The full USA Today profile dropped late Tuesday night, and it's a doozy. This is certainly the most revealing look into Rose's life and rehabilitation since he tore his ACL, and it's possibly the most insightful interview he's given in his career. Will Leitch's GQ interview with Rose last season comes to mind, but Leitch didn't get Rose to talk about his (nonexistent) father.

The USA Today profile is a must-read, covering everything from the pain Rose went through after surgery to his new dietary habits to the birth of his first son. On his recovery from surgery, when doctors 'drilled holes in his tibia and femur, and replaced the torn ACL with a piece of the patellar tendon', Rose said:

"My health was terrible, where I wasn't eating," Rose said. "They put me on medication. And when you're not eating and taking the kind of medication they gave me, it can mess up your body. It messed me up for like a week where I was throwing up consistently every day.

"I couldn't walk. I was in pain. My hamstrings were on fire. They had to block the nerve in my leg, so when that nerve block wore off, the pain came. It felt like someone was hitting my hamstrings with a sledgehammer."

Rose's return has been a calculated endeavor since he tore his ACL, and this interview is no different. USA Today and likely reporter Jeff Zillgitt were handpicked by Rose's agency, Wasserman Media Group, and supposedly there's two other interviews with national outlets that will soon hit the public.

While there isn't inherently anything wrong with this, it rubbed some in the local media the wrong way. Rose has given the local press the silent treatment throughout the process, which sparked an angry and sort of insane column from the Tribune's David Haugh on Wednesday morning. After the USA Today profile, Haugh wonders: who has more control over Rose, the Bulls or adidas?

Haugh, in a true Troll Tuesday-level effort, writes:

Rose oddly broached that possibility himself in a USA Today exclusive Tuesday that demanded everybody's attention because it raised questions that go beyond the stability of his knee — questions perhaps not even the Bulls can answer.

Questions about whether the humble hometown hero from Englewood has gotten lost somewhere amid a corporate marketing campaign packaging him. Questions about how much control the Bulls really have over a player they have invested $95 million in — or $165 million less than Adidas invested. Questions about who ultimately will decide when or if Rose plays this season: Team Rose or his NBA team?

Haugh continues:

The broader issue involves how much influence Armstrong and others at Wasserman will wield in determining whether Rose returns in late February or March or waits to re-launch his career next fall. If you accept the premise that Rose raising the possibility that he might miss the entire season represents an choreographed move by his agency, then it's not hard to imagine Rose's handlers having input into when he returns. And if people who have Rose's financial interests (as well as millions of their own) in mind start meddling into what's best for the Bulls' basketball interests, that poses a problem.

Haugh certainly isn't the only person wondering how much power adidas holds here, it's been raised to me by several different people in the last 24 hours. To me, though, Haugh mostly comes off as salty because Rose shut out the local media. If this interview is given to the Tribune, does he write this column? Does he raise the same questions about Rose's motivations? I find that very hard to believe.

The simple fact of the matter is that taking Derrick Rose's words at the surface level is a very slippery slope. He has grown more comfortable with the media in recent years and is certainly coached on what to say, but he remains less than the most eloquent speaker around.

It seems very likely to me that this interview was meant to build up hype for Rose's impending comeback, which is probably 2-3 weeks away. When Rose talks about the timetable, when Rose says "It could be any time", I don't believe he was attempting to say anything controversial. It was never his intention to drop a bomb in the middle of what's largely a fluff piece. When he says "it could be next year", I believe he was just trying to cover his bases. He isn't coming back tomorrow. Rose's version 'far, far away' could be anything longer than a week from now.

If Haugh truly wants to know who's behind everything, it isn't very hard to figure out. Rose has been sheltered from the media by his family to an extreme extent since he entered the national basketball consciousness when he was 15 years old. There are plenty of reasons for this. He was raised in a very poor, very violent neighborhood. He was raised without a father. He had to fly to Detroit to pass the SAT after failing it three times, so it's safe it say he isn't terribly book smart. Rose's family, led by his brother Reggie, has been at the reins all along. That extends to the present day, even as Derrick has an MVP award and a child. If Haugh thinks Rose is going to open up to just anyone, he obviously hasn't been paying attention to how the family does business.

The most likely scenario in my mind is that this profile is step one of Rose's comeback. There will be more interviews, probably another commercial. Haugh's correct in that the whole thing is contrived and calculated, but why wouldn't it be? What's wrong with that? It's called "The Return", people. If Rose comes back next season, it isn't so much of a return. I believe adidas wants Rose back -- it's what's depicted in the commercial. It's true that there's very real concerns over his return from injury, and that it won't be the blown out, thematic scene depicted in the ad. There will be minute limitations and nights off. There will be times when he doesn't look good. It's all part of the process, which Rose has seemingly aced the entire time.

So back off the ledge. Stop questioning Rose's motivations. This has taken a bit of an ugly turn that was never supposed to happen. Rose is very likely to return this season, and he'll do it soon. If he isn't back in a month, it might be time to worry. But right now? As the Bulls and Rose have said all along, he's right on schedule.

  

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58. "Rose vs Wall: who got fatter? "
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Wall packed on the lbs with a shorter time off and without the aid of a candy addiction. How does Rose look these days?

  

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59. "Rose is in shape, hit his rehab hard and added 10lbs of muscle"
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60. "DONT DO IT BULLS!!!!"
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I mean hes saying hes fine missing the season...to me that shows theres some doubt, but the pressure for him to play is high.....I know theres more to the article and theres the IF the knee doesnt feel fine, but if he was ready to go and wanted it--he seems like the type of kid who would just say it.

Derrick Rose said he doesn't "mind missing this year" with his knee not where he wants it to be.
"If it’s where it’s taking me a long time and I’m still not feeling right, I don’t mind missing this year," Rose said. "I’m trying to get back on the court as quickly as possible. But if I have anything lingering on, it’s no point." He still isn't able to dunk yet and he's clearly wearing down on his rehab not going as well as he once hoped. Those that are stashing Rose with some strong options on the wire might want to reconsider and the news keeps getting worse on the former MVP.

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