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AnonymousCoward
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"Active NBA players going to the HOF"

Name a player and OKS will tell you if they would get into the HOF if they retired tomorrow. This means no Kyrie Irvings or Russell Westbrooks. Also, you should vote on whether or not you believe the person will be voted in, NOT if you think they deserve it. I'll start.

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
Artest/World Peace	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	1
no	Ashy Achilles	Jan 30th 2013	6
Sadly, no.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	41
NOPE	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	73
no	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	75
shit no, not even close. bubble for hall of very good even	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	99
Zero Chance	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	168
nooooooooooooooo	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	180
Nope	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	233
Ray Allen	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	2
of course	Ashy Achilles	Jan 30th 2013	7
first ballot, even	melmag	Jan 30th 2013	8
Yes.	LeroyBumpkin	Jan 30th 2013	39
Definitely.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	42
Yes. guaranteed lock	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	74
yup	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	77
Yes, should be first ballot, might have a short wait though	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	100
1st Ballot n/m	VonClay	Jan 31st 2013	127
Shoe in	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	167
without a question	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	181
RE: Ray Allen	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	219
Yes, first ballot.	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	234
definitely first ballot.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 31st 2013	275
Vince Carter	BSharp	Jan 30th 2013	3
IN	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	5
HOF	melmag	Jan 30th 2013	16
Based on what? Convince me, cause I'm leaning towards no	subjctmattr	Jan 30th 2013	37
in.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	44
Close, leaning towards no.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	47
Fuck rings.	BSharp	Jan 31st 2013	123
Vince had a worse career than 'Nique and Nique barely got in	subjctmattr	Jan 31st 2013	171
Nique barely got in?!	BSharp	Jan 31st 2013	207
Highlights don't mean shit...that's why	subjctmattr	Jan 31st 2013	230
Check the stats...	BSharp	Feb 01st 2013	294
ConcreteCharlie broke it down in Reply #101.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	267
Broke down what?!	BSharp	Feb 01st 2013	296
Is Vince Carter your father?	Frank Longo	Feb 02nd 2013	311
The general population...	BSharp	Feb 04th 2013	320
Hold the fuck UP (c) Ghostface	subjctmattr	Feb 03rd 2013	318
So career longevity doesn't matter?	BSharp	Feb 04th 2013	319
No it fucking doesn't mean anything...you played long big whoop?	subjctmattr	Feb 04th 2013	321
The HOF celebrates individual players.	BSharp	Feb 07th 2013	337
He might have to wait a while a la Adrian Dantley	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	69
close but not enough.	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	79
IMO he is verrrrrrry borderline, same with Webber, interesting cases	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	101
RE: IMO he is verrrrrrry borderline, same with Webber, interesting cases	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	220
Webber has a better chance than Vince.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	268
geez how many times are you going to trot out that tired line?	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	324
Yeah he's in there	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	130
Nope (see Mitch Richmond)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	147
Maybe....he'll be really old when he gets in though.	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	166
NO	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	182
Yes, maybe 2nd time around if it's a strong year.	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	235
Not 1st ballot but yes	mtbatol	Feb 05th 2013	332
Melo	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	4
If he retired tomorrow? I might say no to that one	Y2Flound	Jan 30th 2013	12
tomorrow...no.	Cenario	Jan 30th 2013	27
No.	LeroyBumpkin	Jan 30th 2013	36
he's in. remember college/international counts too.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	43
they say that but its not really all that tru, particularly US Olympians	Bombastic	Jan 30th 2013	114
RE: they say that but its not really all that tru, particularly US Olymp...	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	221
historically, there's not many people you can point to that made it	Bombastic	Feb 02nd 2013	307
Give him two more years. He'll be 8x All-Star, NCAA champ...	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	50
He's in	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	56
yup	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	85
Not quite but he is on track, especially with an NCAA title/gold medal	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	106
He's in there	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	133
No, (See Glen Rice)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	146
Anthony is a much more productive scorer than Rice	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	212
Rice got a Chip	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	252
Aaaanddd...	StakksAbbot	Jan 31st 2013	279
A few more years. Needs playoff runs though.	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	165
of course he will	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	183
RE: Melo	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	225
Yes, maybe 2nd time around if it's a strong year.	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	236
Winningest player in Team USA history	Orbit_Established	Jan 31st 2013	244
A few more years & this may become a question of 1st ballot or not	mtbatol	Feb 05th 2013	333
Bosh	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	9
no	melmag	Jan 30th 2013	11
no	Ashy Achilles	Jan 30th 2013
no	Cenario	Jan 30th 2013	30
YES.	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	34
No.	LeroyBumpkin	Jan 30th 2013	40
tomorrow no. but he's in.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	45
Not first ballot if tomorrow, but yeah, he's in.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	51
Yes. Why not? Reggie Miller and Dumars, but not Bosh?	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	71
Why do people always pull out suspect selections as justification?	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	102
it's called logical reasoning	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	152
it's called a logical fallacy, but OK.	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	213
not 1st ballot but he gets in	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	86
shit no, right today? not even close	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	103
He will be getting in	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	134
Needs a few years of winning. His Toronto career is a bunch of fuckery	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	164
borderline	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	184
RE: Bosh	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	223
Billups	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	10
FOH	melmag	Jan 30th 2013
lol	Ashy Achilles	Jan 30th 2013	14
I'm on the fence. He wouldn't get my vote, but I wouldn't be shocked	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	18
close but no cigar	Cenario	Jan 30th 2013	29
nope.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	46
Sadly, no.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	52
nope	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	72
no....i wish though	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	87
Polish up that Hall of Very Good plaque	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	104
Joe D	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	126
nah	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	135
Zero Chance	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	162
no	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	185
No, probably the only Finals MVP winner to not make it right?	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	238
jojo white and cornbread maxwell. dumars is in,	dula dibiasi	Jan 31st 2013	246
Manu	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	13
i could see it	Ashy Achilles	Jan 30th 2013	15
Counting international... definitely in	MothershipConnection	Jan 30th 2013	24
yes	Cenario	Jan 30th 2013	28
in.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	48
Absolutely.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	53
Yes	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	82
yeah	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	88
100% yes, GINOBILI! It is the basketball HOF, not just the NBA	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	105
I don't think so.	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	136
RE: I don't think so.	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	231
Yep (Chris Mullins is in the Hall w/o a chip)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	148
there are numerous players in the hall w/out a chip	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	176
Duh! .....You're missing my point	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	195
You have no idea what you're talking about	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	196
Run-and-Gun era=Stat padding besides Hardaway was the MAN	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	253
that was too much stupid to handle but yes both mullin and manu are	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	214
Shoe in	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	161
absolutely	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	186
Yes, maybe 2nd time around if it's a strong year.	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	239
Grant Hill	FromTheGo	Jan 30th 2013	17
Yes, but only because it's the Basketball HOF, not NBA HOF	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	23
yes	Cenario	Jan 30th 2013	31
Yes.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	54
yes, but only bc its basketball and not nba	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	91
Very tough one, I would reluctantly vote for him	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	107
I'm gonna say no, sadly. He's really borderline	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	137
yes	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	187
he'd have to wait a few years. but i wouldn't be mad if he got in	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 31st 2013	276
Jerry Stackhouse	FromTheGo	Jan 30th 2013	19
no	melmag	Jan 30th 2013	35
No.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	55
No	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	63
lol no	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	76
Stackhouse is still in the league?	mrhood75	Jan 30th 2013	83
lol no	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	108
remember it's the basketball hall of fame....	Warren Coolidge	Jan 30th 2013	110
FOH	Bombastic	Jan 30th 2013	112
Nope (see, Rolando Blackman)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	150
Tough Country Nigga Hall of Fame	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	160
no	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	188
Andrew Bynum	FromTheGo	Jan 30th 2013	20
cmon	Ashy Achilles	Jan 30th 2013	21
Bowling Hall of Fame	MothershipConnection	Jan 30th 2013	25
sad face	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	109
HA!!	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	189
Rajon Rondo	FromTheGo	Jan 30th 2013	22
Needs a few more years.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	57
bout 3-4 more years, then yes	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	80
they better be three or four more GREAT years though	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	116
Not yet.	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	159
Pau	melmag	Jan 30th 2013	26
Yes.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	58
He needs the Euro novelty to really endure, not sure it will	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	117
Shoe in	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	158
How so? I would say he is about 60/40	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	199
Yes	MistaGoodBar	Feb 06th 2013	335
Pau	melmag	Jan 30th 2013	32
Shawn Marion	pops_nice	Jan 30th 2013	33
not a chance	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	59
wrong place	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013
Would need at least one more ring and All-Star Game.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	60
Uh, he would need more than that bruh	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	138
no chance.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	65
lol no	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	78
zero chance, good player that will be widely forgotten/ignored	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	118
Wade?	subjctmattr	Jan 30th 2013	38
of course.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	49
Definitely.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	61
this is a silly question	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	62
yes and obviously bron	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	201
Yes, first ballot.	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	240
D-Rose	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	64
Right today? lol, no. He's only played three whole seasons.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	89
it would be an interesting scenario	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	96
no.	Bombastic	Jan 30th 2013	113
i want to give an emphatic no but didnt he win MVP?	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	125
Dirk	BlassFemur	Jan 30th 2013	66
of course. even before the title.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	67
more silly questions	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	68
Obviously.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	90
easily	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	139
Greatest Euro player ever? (Sabonis was before my time)	guru0509	Jan 31st 2013	163
Dirk is definitely the best Euro NBA player ever	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	175
Probably the best passer I've ever seen...	BSharp	Feb 01st 2013	298
Sabonis was like Wayne Gretzky in old Bill Walton's body	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	325
Yes, first ballot.	RaFromQueens	Jan 31st 2013	241
Manu Ginobli	Tiger Woods	Jan 30th 2013	70
post 13	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	81
Tony Parker	Lach	Jan 30th 2013	84
I think he's in, yes.	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	93
yep. might take a few rounds.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 30th 2013	94
IN	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	97
I would vote for him on his NBA career alone	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	119
Yeah I think he'll make it	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	141
He woulda been Kevin Johnson w/o a chip	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	155
Had KJ stayed healthy he would have been a HOF'er EASILY	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	200
injuries are part of the game	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	254
what? the case is not for KJ, it's for Parker w/out a chip	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	326
yes	MistaGoodBar	Feb 06th 2013	336
Chris Paul	bleekgilliam_420	Jan 30th 2013	92
Right today? I'd say yes..	Frank Longo	Jan 30th 2013	95
IN	AnonymousCoward	Jan 30th 2013	98
Right today, I have a hard time seeing him making it.	BlassFemur	Jan 30th 2013	111
He's right on track and if it were some calamity then yes, he'd get in	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	120
Yes	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	142
Not yet (He's on that Tim Hardaway status at the moment)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	144
Needs a few years of winning & playoff runs or else he's K.J.	TheRealBillyOcean	Jan 31st 2013	169
lol at the KJ & Hardaway mentions. CP3 is already more accomplished	micMajestic	Jan 31st 2013	172
Rite. He's clearly the best PG in the golden age of PGs	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	173
CP has had two seasons head & shoulder above the rest	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	197
LOL...better at what?	Kajun	Jan 31st 2013	248
Injuries are part of the game, RIGHT?	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	256
KJ led weaker teams to the Finals...and he dunked on MJ	TRENDone	Jan 31st 2013	178
wtf? he was the second banana on a finals team with no hope	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	202
I assumed he was kinda playing off my "overrate childhood heroes" commen...	micMajestic	Feb 01st 2013	288
he did take the Suns to the WCF with Dan Majerle	DeepAztheRoot	Feb 01st 2013	295
It's no laughing matter...yall do realize Paul is 27 right?	auragin_boi	Jan 31st 2013	179
Those All-NBA team awards don't lie.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	269
Rasheed Wallace or Lamar Odoms	mistermaxxx08	Jan 30th 2013	115
No and absolutely not lol	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 30th 2013	121
Rasheed is probably the best player of all time who...	BSharp	Jan 31st 2013	124
Both played hard but didn't have HOF careers	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	132
both didn't really play that hard for long stretches	Bombastic	Jan 31st 2013	149
which is why I add: consistency counts & they both didn't have it.	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	153
familiar with the reference	Bombastic	Feb 02nd 2013	309
Kevin Durant	TRENDone	Jan 30th 2013	122
too soon n/m	VonClay	Jan 31st 2013	129
Yep, (see Bernard King)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	140
Why see Bernard King? Durant has already easily surpassed him.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	145
Just based on similar numbers in same amount of games played	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	151
Dude King had Larry fucking Bird and Dr J in front of him	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	203
RE: Dude King had Larry fucking Bird and Dr J in front of him	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	257
Both what you said AND Durant having the better HOF resume can be true.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	283
Dwight Howard	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	128
right today no but his stats will get him in there	VonClay	Jan 31st 2013	131
LOL, he is an automatic first ballot lock.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	143
Dude never truely dominated in the wack era for centers	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	154
He dominated defensively and scored WAY more than Deke	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	177
Deke would be averging 20/20/5 against this bums	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	198
LOL, what?	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	204
Prime Deke had lots of competition	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	262
none of those guys playing D were why Deke didn't score 20	Bombastic	Feb 02nd 2013	308
He had hands of fucking stone man, his touch on the ball was like	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	327
two words: put backs	FILF	Feb 06th 2013	334
The strength of the era doesn't matter. He's the dominant center of the ...	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	270
Dwight Howard is not even close yet. He hasn't done shit...	BlassFemur	Jan 31st 2013	261
Hat-Trick? Ben Wallace/Dikembe/Alonzo	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	156
omit all: retired	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	157
Trevor Ariza	illegal	Jan 31st 2013	170
No. But he's better for the Hall than Rudy Gay.	Ryan M	Jan 31st 2013	174
lol	Cenario	Jan 31st 2013	192
Andre Miller	MistaGoodBar	Jan 31st 2013	190
lol	Cenario	Jan 31st 2013	191
Hall of bad haircuts	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	205
Amare	subjctmattr	Jan 31st 2013	193
believe it or not, he has the resume	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	194
Ehhhh, he has a resume for the bubble, not induction	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	211
Should definitely be in consideration....	BSharp	Jan 31st 2013	210
I say he needs the ring, but I'd say him quicker than Vince	subjctmattr	Jan 31st 2013	227
Nope, (See Shawn Kemp)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	251
Right today, he's a close but no cigar. Needs a couple more years.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	274
Tracy McGrady?	Lach	Jan 31st 2013	206
Absolutely, about ten very good years and some GREAT ones	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	216
He's a lock	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	224
Like I said, KD/T-Mac @ the moment => Bernard King	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	250
i'd say so. but i don't think he will be.	BrooklynWHAT	Jan 31st 2013	277
Marcus Camby	Hitokiri	Jan 31st 2013	208
Zero-time all-star	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	209
DPOY and All Defensive Team though	Hitokiri	Jan 31st 2013	215
By that logic, Artest gets in.	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	218
And Ben Wallace is first ballot	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	229
lol good god, no	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	217
nope, (see Tree Rollins, lol)	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	259
A lot of folks in this thread don't get it....	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	222
Webber's college career never happened	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	226
RE: Webber's college career never happened	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	237
Webber doesn't need college to get in the hall. He's top 10 all time.	Orbit_Established	Jan 31st 2013	245
Uh, I think that's pretty fucking clear	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	228
RE: Uh, I think that's pretty fucking clear	murph71	Jan 31st 2013	232
Webber is one of the 10 best PFs ever, Einstein.	Orbit_Established	Jan 31st 2013	243
He is absolutely not a top ten PF of all time, FOH	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	281
RE: He is absolutely not a top ten PF of all time, FOH	RexLongfellow	Feb 01st 2013	287
Webber is UNQUESTIONABLY one of the 10 best PFs ever.	Orbit_Established	Feb 01st 2013	289
Sorry.... Dirk over Webber. KG over Webber.	BSharp	Feb 02nd 2013	304
OMG, fuck his numbers, KG is a MUCH better player, Dirk also better	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	328
Webber is in because he had a breathtakingly awesome NBA career	Orbit_Established	Jan 31st 2013	242
He's easilly the most underrated player of his era	AnonymousCoward	Jan 31st 2013	249
too bad he was a one way player	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	260
Like Barkley, Dirk, Bird, and plenty of others in the HOF	Orbit_Established	Feb 01st 2013	290
Bird........really?	FILF	Feb 01st 2013	291
Ugghh...WEBBER was FANTASTIC in the playoffs, idiot	Orbit_Established	Feb 01st 2013	293
Lil GOAT beat the Lakers all by himself...I rest my case	FILF	Feb 02nd 2013	301
They had home court and a million chances to win, Sac was ...	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	331
Underrated!?! LMAO!	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	330
Melo's college career, even with the ring, doesn't match Webber's.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	271
NO KOBESTER?	T Reynolds	Jan 31st 2013	247
What makes you think he would get in?	icecold21	Jan 31st 2013	255
cmon!	T Reynolds	Jan 31st 2013	258
They will just ignore it and not post "Yes" because they know	-DJ R-Tistic-	Feb 01st 2013	285
Silence is compliance	T Reynolds	Feb 01st 2013	286
lol at this insecure shit again	rob	Feb 01st 2013	299
Cmon. Kobe is top 20-25 all time.	RaFromQueens	Feb 02nd 2013	306
Joe Johnson	FILF	Jan 31st 2013	263
Actually, his agent should.	BlassFemur	Jan 31st 2013	264
Deron Williams, Jason Terry,Josh Smith, Kevin Love,Lamarcus Alridge	mistermaxxx08	Jan 31st 2013	265
If Love can manage last year's stats for half a decade, I'd put him in.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	272
I thought rings were what mattered?	BSharp	Feb 02nd 2013	303
They do matter to the actual people that vote.	Frank Longo	Feb 02nd 2013	312
what the fuck? about zero except maybe love who needs much more	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	280
Love..FOH. If Deron wins a chip as a 2nd option, he has a chance	FILF	Feb 01st 2013	284
D Will	T Reynolds	Feb 01st 2013	292
Andrei Kirilenko	Hitokiri	Jan 31st 2013	266
Nah.	Frank Longo	Jan 31st 2013	273
lol no, sarunas has a better chance and he aint makin it.	ConcreteCharlie	Jan 31st 2013	282
My bad you said active...edit	subjctmattr	Jan 31st 2013	278
Steve Nash	DeepAztheRoot	Feb 01st 2013	297
The has never been a white bol that never got the benefit of the doubt	FILF	Feb 02nd 2013	302
He's a first ballot lock.	Frank Longo	Feb 02nd 2013	313
obviously	ConcreteCharlie	Feb 04th 2013	329
Baron Davis, richard hamilton, deng	mistermaxxx08	Feb 02nd 2013	300
none of them	melmag	Feb 02nd 2013	305
Deng still has a shot to put together a later career run	ShawndmeSlanted	Feb 04th 2013	322
Basketball-Reference.com Hall of Fame Probability	RaFromQueens	Feb 02nd 2013	310
Doesn't factor in college or international play.	Frank Longo	Feb 02nd 2013	314
i think it does pretty much what they aim to do though	rob	Feb 02nd 2013	315
Well, sure.	Frank Longo	Feb 02nd 2013	316
#22 is where the b.s. starts and ends	FILF	Feb 03rd 2013	317
This list has T-Mac over Nash = USELESS LIST	subjctmattr	Feb 04th 2013	323

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Wed Jan-30-13 03:54 PM

1. "Artest/World Peace"
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:54 PM

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:16 PM

41. "Sadly, no."
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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:22 PM

99. "shit no, not even close. bubble for hall of very good even"
In response to Reply # 1

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:16 AM

168. "Zero Chance"
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MistaGoodBar
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:26 PM

180. "nooooooooooooooo"
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RaFromQueens
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:24 PM

233. "Nope"
In response to Reply # 1

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"People that need positivity around them all the time are weak individuals in my book" - @lilduval

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AnonymousCoward
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2. "Ray Allen"
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Ashy Achilles
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:55 PM

7. "of course"
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melmag
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:55 PM

8. "first ballot, even"
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LeroyBumpkin
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:14 PM

39. "Yes. "
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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:17 PM

42. "Definitely."
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Lach
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:55 PM

74. "Yes. guaranteed lock"
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77. "yup"
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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:23 PM

100. "Yes, should be first ballot, might have a short wait though"
In response to Reply # 2

Had he played in a big market instead of Milwaukee and Seattle, it would be a lock. This guy is one of the best pure shooters and true two guards. He is the kind of player good teams want to have.

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Thu Jan-31-13 02:25 AM

127. "1st Ballot n/m"
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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:15 AM

167. "Shoe in"
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MistaGoodBar
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:26 PM

181. "without a question"
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murph71
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:49 PM

219. "RE: Ray Allen"
In response to Reply # 2

Yep....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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RaFromQueens
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:24 PM

234. "Yes, first ballot."
In response to Reply # 2

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BrooklynWHAT
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:44 PM

275. "definitely first ballot."
In response to Reply # 2

<--- Big Baller World Order

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BSharp
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:54 PM

3. "Vince Carter"
In response to Reply # 0

I think he should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame.

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:54 PM

5. "IN"
In response to Reply # 3

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melmag
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:57 PM

16. "HOF"
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subjctmattr
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:13 PM

37. "Based on what? Convince me, cause I'm leaning towards no"
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BrooklynWHAT
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:18 PM

44. "in."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:19 PM

47. "Close, leaning towards no."
In response to Reply # 3

Lack of rings in college AND pros hurts. Eight all-stars makes it super close... but only one All-NBA 2nd Team and no All-NBA 1st Team? He's not first ballot if he is in.

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BSharp
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Thu Jan-31-13 12:51 AM

123. "Fuck rings."
In response to Reply # 47

Individual accomplishments matter. Vince Carter was not the most accomplished player of his era, but he played in quite a few playoff games and was one of the great clutch players in the NBA for a significant period of time. One of the great highlight reels in modern NBA history--both for dunks and crunch-time deliveries--and an HOF resume statistically.

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subjctmattr
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Thu Jan-31-13 10:05 AM

171. "Vince had a worse career than 'Nique and Nique barely got in"
In response to Reply # 123

He was on the 2nd ballot.
Please...explain why Vince is a no brainer.

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BSharp
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:31 PM

207. "Nique barely got in?!"
In response to Reply # 171
Thu Jan-31-13 03:33 PM by BSharp

I just looked it up and saw that he missed first ballot. I had no idea that happened, and can't possibly imagine why, but whatever...

And does making it on the second ballot constitute 'barely making it'?

Vince is one of the great players of his era, and there isn't a single player ahead of him in career scoring that is not either already in the hall of fame, or guaranteed to be there.

Why don't you tell me why he doesn't belong there? And if your argument includes the word 'rings', then fuck off.

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subjctmattr
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:14 PM

230. "Highlights don't mean shit...that's why"
In response to Reply # 207
Thu Jan-31-13 04:14 PM by subjctmattr

He was a good scorer but so was T-mac, Steve Francis, Steph Marbury.

Never led a team anywhere.
Never a defensive presence.

My point about Nique was...if Nique got in on second ballot, and we agree not sure why, then how can we possibly say YES for sure Vince is in at all?

Nique led his team with nutty ass Doc Rivers as his sidekick.

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BSharp
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Fri Feb-01-13 08:33 PM

294. "Check the stats..."
In response to Reply # 230

And show me where Vince Carter ranks in all-time scoring compared to Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury.

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

Never led a team anywhere? He advanced in the playoffs 4 times in his career.

Obviously not an all-time great in playoff success, but he's an all-time great in other aspects of the game--including clutch play. Yeah, it was regular season clutch play, but that shit still matters.

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Frank Longo
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:29 PM

267. "ConcreteCharlie broke it down in Reply #101."
In response to Reply # 207

If you'll excuse me, I'll go back to fucking off.

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BSharp
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Fri Feb-01-13 08:44 PM

296. "Broke down what?!"
In response to Reply # 267

Mentioned that Carter had a negative "Impact toward winning"?

How exactly?! Based on mob mentality?

Dude was on how many losing teams in his career? People are literally mentioning Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury in the same breath, and with nothing to back up their comparisons. Nothing.

I'm not gonna sit here and suggest that Vince Carter is the best player in NBA history, but the way that players are propped up and/or vilified en masse is absurd.

Fuck Reggie Miller, and fuck Derek Fisher.

His statistics get him in to the hall of fame by themselves, and looking deeper at the caliber of basketball that he played for the duration that he did only helps his case.

You're not talking about a Nick Anderson or Ron Harper type player--you're talking about an 8-time all star who is one of the most spectacular players in the history of basketball.

Show respect due.

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Frank Longo
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Sat Feb-02-13 03:03 PM

311. "Is Vince Carter your father?"
In response to Reply # 296

Because I said he was on the bubble and you are freaking the fuck out defending this guy.

The vote is split in this board and in the general population. Which means he's on the bubble.

So quit telling people like me to fuck off and realize it's simply not clear cut, because things like All-NBA teams, pro and college rings, and memorable marquee games DO matter to the actual human beings that vote.

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BSharp
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Mon Feb-04-13 12:45 PM

320. "The general population..."
In response to Reply # 311

...thought that Kobe was better than Lebron because of "rings". Much of the general population are sheep.

lol @ 'freaking the fuck out'...

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subjctmattr
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Sun Feb-03-13 11:24 AM

318. "Hold the fuck UP (c) Ghostface"
In response to Reply # 296

>People are literally mentioning Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury in the
>same breath, and with nothing to back up their comparisons.
>Nothing.

First off all "people" weren't...I did.
And if you read what I said it says Vince could score...so could Steph, and Steve.

So the comparison was based on scoring ability.
They never led teams anywhere.

Then you have the nerve to say fuck Hall of Famer Reggie Miller, and Fuck NBA champion Derek Fisher, then have the nerve to say show respect to Vincent Lamar Carter?

FUCK VINCENT LAMAR CARTER!!

And OK if you REALLY want stats to back up the Vince - Marbury - Steve Francis debate
fine:

Vince career stats - 21/ 5/ 4
Marbury career stats - 19 / 7/ 3
Steve Francis - 18 /6 / 6

I would say they are perfectly comparable
especially if you add in the fact that none of them won shit.

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BSharp
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Mon Feb-04-13 12:40 PM

319. "So career longevity doesn't matter?"
In response to Reply # 318

>Vince career stats - 21/ 5/ 4
>Marbury career stats - 19 / 7/ 3
>Steve Francis - 18 /6 / 6

Vince: 1033 games / 60 playoff games
Marbury: 846 / 24 playoff games
Francis: 576 games / 5 playoff games

Marbury and Francis essentially got blacklisted from the league. Vince Carter is still playing at a pretty high level every night.

>Then you have the nerve to say fuck Hall of Famer Reggie
>Miller, and Fuck NBA champion Derek Fisher, then have the
>nerve to say show respect to Vincent Lamar Carter?

I do have the nerve to say fuck them. Their status gets elevated to points that far exceed their individual accomplishments, and when you're discussing who the better player is, individual accomplishments and individual attributes matter. You love to talk about how Vince hasn't won shit, but would also probably never say such a thing about Grant Hill because it's not as popular to shit on his career as it is for Vince.

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subjctmattr
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Mon Feb-04-13 12:52 PM

321. "No it fucking doesn't mean anything...you played long big whoop?"
In response to Reply # 319

Dog, all I was said was all the three of them did was score a lot of points. A hall of famer that does not make.
And playing a long time doesn't make you a hall of famer either. It makes you someone who played a long time...good for you.

>You love to talk about how Vince hasn't
>won shit, but would also probably never say such a thing about
>Grant Hill because it's not as popular to shit on his career
>as it is for Vince.

Grant Hill never won shit, Ewing never won shit, and neither did Reggie. THERE I SAID IT!
I have no problem calling out people who never won shit. But Reggie and Ewing led mediocre teams deep into the playoffs. And to the NBA finals. (and before you begin to argue remember I said LED, DEEP INTO, and FINALS.
Vince cannot even think about saying that.

D-Fish won it all...NOTHING YOU CAN SAY TO THAT MAN.

Vincent Lamar Carter has done nothing...NOTHING....that Steph and Steve didn't do (except asshole their way out of the league). And I wouldn't let them smell the hall, so why the fugg should I say Vince is a lock?

Now previously you asked me to say why Vince shouldn't be a lock...I did.
Now explain to me again why he should?

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BSharp
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337. "The HOF celebrates individual players. "
In response to Reply # 321

>Dog, all I was said was all the three of them did was score a
>lot of points. A hall of famer that does not make.
>And playing a long time doesn't make you a hall of famer
>either. It makes you someone who played a long time...good for
>you.

So stats don't matter, then? You accumulate stats by playing for long at a high level.

>Grant Hill never won shit, Ewing never won shit, and neither
>did Reggie. THERE I SAID IT!

>I have no problem calling out people who never won shit. But
>Reggie and Ewing led mediocre teams deep into the playoffs.
>And to the NBA finals. (and before you begin to argue remember
>I said LED, DEEP INTO, and FINALS.
>Vince cannot even think about saying that.

Actually... Vince Carter was arguably/probably the second best player on the Nets when

>D-Fish won it all...NOTHING YOU CAN SAY TO THAT MAN.

Sure you can. You can say that basketball is a team sport and that he was on good teams. You can say that the hall-of-fame is an institution that celebrates individual achievements in the sport.

>Vincent Lamar Carter has done nothing...NOTHING....that Steph
>and Steve didn't do (except asshole their way out of the
>league).

Yeah. Nothing except do more of every single possible thing there is to do in the league, and do it better. smh

>And I wouldn't let them smell the hall, so why the
>fugg should I say Vince is a lock?

lol

>Now previously you asked me to say why Vince shouldn't be a
>lock...I did.
>Now explain to me again why he should?

Let's summarize your argument: VInce Carter should not be in the hall-of-fame because Marbury and Steve Francis. Vince Carter should not be in the hall-of-fame because Ewing led a mediocre team to the finals (more than a little bit debatable, since that team wasn't mediocre), and Reggie Miller led a mediocre team deep in the playoffs (also debatable since he was on very good teams and was seldom the leader or best player on the team).

Patrick Ewing would be in the Hall of Fame even if he never led the Knicks to the Finals, and he would've deserved it. If you think that Reggie Miller was a better basketball player than Vince Carter during their primes, you should've watched more basketball over the years.

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Lach
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:53 PM

69. "He might have to wait a while a la Adrian Dantley"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:56 PM

79. "close but not enough. "
In response to Reply # 3

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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:33 PM

101. "IMO he is verrrrrrry borderline, same with Webber, interesting cases"
In response to Reply # 3

I don't mean verrrrrrrry borderline in that they have a slim chance, just that they right on the edge of induction or barely missing.

You look at both guys with strong statistical cases for the hall but a real lack of team achievement, consistency, playing to their potential and, in Carter's case, I'd argue impact toward winning.

He just didn't play on good teams and it wasn't some type of Archie Manning situation either, he was often part of the problem. Only two All-NBA selections, zero first team selections. Never much of a defensive player. He had a period of offensive dominance for sure but it was pretty short lived.

You look at these guys in terms of HOF probability, they are right on the edge. I don't think Carter, for example, has nearly as strong of a case as Ray Allen or AI or even McGrady despite being as dominant individually at one point.

Same thing with Webber, he was supposed to be a new age Elvin Hayes and on paper you can make it look like he was not a far cry from Hayes (with averages, percentages). But to me Webber fucked around a lot at the start of his career and then he was hurt a lot when he kind of figured things out. A lot of guys are like that, I call it the Pat Burrell syndrome.

For me, I don't think I'd vote for either guy. I am not going to argue this vociferously. There are guys with lower probabilities based on their NBA careers and worse numbers that are in. these guys are first ballot hall of very good and you can never cry when someone like that gets in. Personally though, I would not vote for either.

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murph71
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:54 PM

220. "RE: IMO he is verrrrrrry borderline, same with Webber, interesting cases"
In response to Reply # 101

Webber is not borderline...At all...

I don't think a lot of folks understand how the Basketball HOF inducts its players....

It's not just about what players do in the PROS...It's also their college accomplishments...

Webber will indeed be inducted given the impact of that Fab 5 team (they were truly revolutionary) and how he contributed to a joke of a NBA franchise becoming a true Western Con. powerhouse (Kings)...

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Frank Longo
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:30 PM

268. "Webber has a better chance than Vince."
In response to Reply # 220

But the things people will argue against Webber for are the same things they'll argue against Vince for... and Vince didn't have nearly the college career Webber did.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Mon Feb-04-13 10:09 PM

324. "geez how many times are you going to trot out that tired line?"
In response to Reply # 220

and inappropriately at that

who cares about vince carter's college career? webber's never happened and what people remember most is the best team money could buy not winning titles, in no small part because he choked twice in one instant with the national title on the line.

webber has a better chance than not. his time in sacramento was pretty compelling and he burst onto the scene, too. overall, his career was a mild disappointment. he was 100% a hall of fame talent. he had about a 75% hall of fame career.

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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:27 AM

130. "Yeah he's in there"
In response to Reply # 3

He's done enough and he is the goat dunker.

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Thu Jan-31-13 02:58 AM

147. "Nope (see Mitch Richmond)"
In response to Reply # 3

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:15 AM

166. "Maybe....he'll be really old when he gets in though. "
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MistaGoodBar
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:26 PM

182. "NO"
In response to Reply # 3

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RaFromQueens
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:25 PM

235. "Yes, maybe 2nd time around if it's a strong year."
In response to Reply # 3

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mtbatol
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Tue Feb-05-13 09:54 PM

332. "Not 1st ballot but yes"
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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:54 PM

4. "Melo"
In response to Reply # 0

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Y2Flound
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:56 PM

12. "If he retired tomorrow? I might say no to that one"
In response to Reply # 4

The old Hall of Fame vs Hall of Great argument

Carmello's career from start to today is probably not a hall of fame career

That being said he will wind up in.

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:03 PM

27. "tomorrow...no."
In response to Reply # 4

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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LeroyBumpkin
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:13 PM

36. "No. "
In response to Reply # 4

https://digife.com

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BrooklynWHAT
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:18 PM

43. "he's in. remember college/international counts too."
In response to Reply # 4
Wed Jan-30-13 04:19 PM by BrooklynWHAT

<--- Big Baller World Order

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Wed Jan-30-13 06:39 PM

114. "they say that but its not really all that tru, particularly US Olympians"
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murph71
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:56 PM

221. "RE: they say that but its not really all that tru, particularly US Olymp..."
In response to Reply # 114
Thu Jan-31-13 04:08 PM by murph71

Nah...with College play? That's very much true....

Dude won a college chip as a freshman...Don't underestimate that...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Sat Feb-02-13 01:58 PM

307. "historically, there's not many people you can point to that made it"
In response to Reply # 221

based off college & Olympic play particularly amongst American players.

Bill Walton got in but he had an NBA MVP, ring & injury caveat along with his UCLA career.

For American-born players, dudes get in or don't based on their NBA careers really.

If you got examples to the contrary, feel free to name a few.

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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:21 PM

50. "Give him two more years. He'll be 8x All-Star, NCAA champ..."
In response to Reply # 4

... and multiple All-NBA 2nd and 3rd teams. That'd be a tough r�sum� to turn away.

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:23 PM

56. "He's in"
In response to Reply # 4

6-time all-star
Second Team All NBA, 4 third teams
top-10 scored in 8 of his 10 years
13th highest career scoring average
9 playoff appearances in 10 years as the first option
Best FIBA player of his era

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:59 PM

85. "yup"
In response to Reply # 4

college ring, plus olympics medals, plus what he has done in his career

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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:40 PM

106. "Not quite but he is on track, especially with an NCAA title/gold medal"
In response to Reply # 4

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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:29 AM

133. "He's in there"
In response to Reply # 4

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:55 AM

146. "No, (See Glen Rice)"
In response to Reply # 4

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:41 PM

212. "Anthony is a much more productive scorer than Rice"
In response to Reply # 146

At the end of this his tenth season he will have about as many points as Rice had in 15 years. He has hit for 25+ ppg routinely in his career, Rice did it once, maybe twice.

Cmon man, that is a way off comparison. Rice and Glenn Robinson are first ballot hall of very good. Anthony is better than those guys.

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Thu Jan-31-13 05:45 PM

252. "Rice got a Chip"
In response to Reply # 212
Thu Jan-31-13 06:18 PM by FILF

Edit: Of course Melo is a better all-around scorer but besides that they both have a similar career (college/pros).

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Thu Jan-31-13 08:58 PM

279. "Aaaanddd..."
In response to Reply # 252

Got at Sarah Palin

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Thu Jan-31-13 09:14 AM

165. "A few more years. Needs playoff runs though. "
In response to Reply # 4

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Thu Jan-31-13 01:27 PM

183. "of course he will"
In response to Reply # 4

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murph71
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:07 PM

225. "RE: Melo"
In response to Reply # 4

Yep...

Multiple All-Star AND led his college team to a championship as a freshman....

It's not rocket science, folks...

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RaFromQueens
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:25 PM

236. "Yes, maybe 2nd time around if it's a strong year."
In response to Reply # 4

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:40 PM

244. "Winningest player in Team USA history"
In response to Reply # 4

And having a fairly decent NBA career

Get all the way the fuck outta here

He's in.

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mtbatol
Member since May 22nd 2002
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Tue Feb-05-13 09:56 PM

333. "A few more years & this may become a question of 1st ballot or not"
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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:55 PM

9. "Bosh"
In response to Reply # 0

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melmag
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:56 PM

11. "no"
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Ashy Achilles
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:58 PM

"no"

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Cenario
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:04 PM

30. "no"
In response to Reply # 9

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:12 PM

34. "YES."
In response to Reply # 9

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:15 PM

40. "No. "
In response to Reply # 9

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BrooklynWHAT
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85056 posts

Wed Jan-30-13 04:18 PM

45. "tomorrow no. but he's in."
In response to Reply # 9

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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:21 PM

51. "Not first ballot if tomorrow, but yeah, he's in."
In response to Reply # 9

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Lach
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:54 PM

71. "Yes. Why not? Reggie Miller and Dumars, but not Bosh?"
In response to Reply # 9

Why?

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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:35 PM

102. "Why do people always pull out suspect selections as justification?"
In response to Reply # 71
Wed Jan-30-13 05:36 PM by ConcreteCharlie

The same person would say those guys don't belong in the HOF then turns around and uses them as a reason someone else should be in.

BTW those guys had very long and successful careers. Their careers in sum are clearly better than Bosh's if he were to retire right today.

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:36 AM

152. "it's called logical reasoning"
In response to Reply # 102
Thu Jan-31-13 03:38 AM by FILF

read up>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_reasoning

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:41 PM

213. "it's called a logical fallacy, but OK."
In response to Reply # 152

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bleekgilliam_420
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:00 PM

86. "not 1st ballot but he gets in"
In response to Reply # 9

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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:36 PM

103. "shit no, right today? not even close"
In response to Reply # 9

he'll need to be really durable and stay on winners to get in.

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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:30 AM

134. "He will be getting in"
In response to Reply # 9

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:14 AM

164. "Needs a few years of winning. His Toronto career is a bunch of fuckery"
In response to Reply # 9

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Thu Jan-31-13 01:28 PM

184. "borderline"
In response to Reply # 9

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murph71
Member since Sep 15th 2005
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:05 PM

223. "RE: Bosh"
In response to Reply # 9

Not first ballot...But he will make it....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:56 PM

10. "Billups"
In response to Reply # 0

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melmag
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:57 PM

"FOH"

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Ashy Achilles
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:57 PM

14. "lol"
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AnonymousCoward
Member since Sep 17th 2002
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:58 PM

18. "I'm on the fence. He wouldn't get my vote, but I wouldn't be shocked"
In response to Reply # 0

if he got in on the 2nd or 3rd try

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:04 PM

29. "close but no cigar"
In response to Reply # 10

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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BrooklynWHAT
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:19 PM

46. "nope."
In response to Reply # 10

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Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:22 PM

52. "Sadly, no."
In response to Reply # 10

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Lach
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:54 PM

72. "nope"
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:00 PM

87. "no....i wish though"
In response to Reply # 10

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
71387 posts

Wed Jan-30-13 05:38 PM

104. "Polish up that Hall of Very Good plaque"
In response to Reply # 10

His only chance was like three rings. Bounced around too much early on. Even at his best, not quite a HOF'er. Maybe like a Gus Williams type candidacy, although he'd prefer it be a Maurice Cheeks one.

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:18 AM

126. "Joe D "
In response to Reply # 10

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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:31 AM

135. "nah"
In response to Reply # 10

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:13 AM

162. "Zero Chance"
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MistaGoodBar
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:28 PM

185. "no"
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RaFromQueens
Member since Apr 18th 2006
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:26 PM

238. "No, probably the only Finals MVP winner to not make it right?"
In response to Reply # 10

Is Dumars in?

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dula dibiasi
Member since Apr 05th 2004
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:46 PM

246. "jojo white and cornbread maxwell. dumars is in,"
In response to Reply # 238

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:57 PM

13. "Manu"
In response to Reply # 0

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Ashy Achilles
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:57 PM

15. "i could see it"
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MothershipConnection
Member since Nov 22nd 2003
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:00 PM

24. "Counting international... definitely in"
In response to Reply # 15

Gold medal, NBA titles, Euroleague title, multiple time All-Star... the overall resume will overshadow him mostly being a 6th man during his career and him being banged up a lot. I think people will remember his impact on the floor well.

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Cenario
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:04 PM

28. "yes"
In response to Reply # 13

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:19 PM

48. "in."
In response to Reply # 13

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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:22 PM

53. "Absolutely."
In response to Reply # 13

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Lach
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:57 PM

82. "Yes"
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:01 PM

88. "yeah"
In response to Reply # 13

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:39 PM

105. "100% yes, GINOBILI! It is the basketball HOF, not just the NBA"
In response to Reply # 13

And even if it were just the NBA, I think he'd have a strong case. The Spurs are not to be evaluated by numbers strictly, kind of like the old Cs were not. Ginobili has consistently been a top two guard in an era that's been a little thin on them and he's won titles in the process. You factor in his success internationally and he is a mortal lock.

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icecold21
Member since Jan 18th 2008
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:37 AM

136. "I don't think so."
In response to Reply # 13

If he were on a different team than the spurs and didn't have the rings he wouldn't even be in the convo. He's good but not good enough. I could still see him getting in tho

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murph71
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:14 PM

231. "RE: I don't think so."
In response to Reply # 136

>If he were on a different team than the spurs and didn't have
>the rings he wouldn't even be in the convo. He's good but not
>good enough. I could still see him getting in tho

Again folks...it's not just the pros....

Dude was a STAR overseas... STAR at the Olympics....And a STAR in the pros...And he has rings....

When it comes to foreign players voters look at the fact that a Ginobli (like Sabonis) came to the NBA late in their careers...

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:00 AM

148. "Yep (Chris Mullins is in the Hall w/o a chip)"
In response to Reply # 13

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 10:58 AM

176. "there are numerous players in the hall w/out a chip"
In response to Reply # 148

alex english, maurice stokes, chris mullin, charles barkley, karl malone, elgin baylor, etc etc etc etc

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Thu Jan-31-13 02:54 PM

195. "Duh! .....You're missing my point"
In response to Reply # 176
Thu Jan-31-13 02:55 PM by FILF

Mullins in his prime was the 2nd or 3rd wheel on mediocre teams but he still made the hall b/c of his numbers (plus, College/Dream Team). On the other hand, Manu has put up equivalent numbers in the post-season as a 2nd or 3rd wheel. They both have Olympic gold but Manu was the primary option for Argentina while Mullins was a role player. When you throw in that Manu has 3 chips along with his career overseas, I don't see why Mullins make it but Manu doesn't.

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AnonymousCoward
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:02 PM

196. "You have no idea what you're talking about"
In response to Reply # 195

Mullin was the first option and leading scorer on all those Run-TMC squads and never averaged less than 25ppg in his prime.

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Thu Jan-31-13 05:47 PM

253. "Run-and-Gun era=Stat padding besides Hardaway was the MAN"
In response to Reply # 196

Hardaway=Nash
Mullins=Amare

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:42 PM

214. "that was too much stupid to handle but yes both mullin and manu are"
In response to Reply # 195

HOF material.

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:13 AM

161. "Shoe in"
In response to Reply # 13

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MistaGoodBar
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:28 PM

186. "absolutely"
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RaFromQueens
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:27 PM

239. "Yes, maybe 2nd time around if it's a strong year."
In response to Reply # 13

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Wed Jan-30-13 03:58 PM

17. "Grant Hill"
In response to Reply # 0

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:00 PM

23. "Yes, but only because it's the Basketball HOF, not NBA HOF"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:04 PM

31. "yes"
In response to Reply # 17

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:22 PM

54. "Yes."
In response to Reply # 17

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Wed Jan-30-13 05:01 PM

91. "yes, but only bc its basketball and not nba "
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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:41 PM

107. "Very tough one, I would reluctantly vote for him"
In response to Reply # 17

Did fucking Bernard King get in yet?

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icecold21
Member since Jan 18th 2008
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:43 AM

137. "I'm gonna say no, sadly. He's really borderline"
In response to Reply # 17

I could see him getting in still but right now id say no

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Thu Jan-31-13 01:29 PM

187. "yes"
In response to Reply # 17

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BrooklynWHAT
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:46 PM

276. "he'd have to wait a few years. but i wouldn't be mad if he got in"
In response to Reply # 17

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FromTheGo
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:58 PM

19. "Jerry Stackhouse"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:13 PM

35. "no"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:22 PM

55. "No."
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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:30 PM

63. "No"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:55 PM

76. "lol no"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:57 PM

83. "Stackhouse is still in the league?"
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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:41 PM

108. "lol no"
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Warren Coolidge
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:43 PM

110. "remember it's the basketball hall of fame...."
In response to Reply # 19

the longevity in the league along with his success in college..

it may happen down the road

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Wed Jan-30-13 06:35 PM

112. "FOH"
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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:04 AM

150. "Nope (see, Rolando Blackman)"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:13 AM

160. "Tough Country Nigga Hall of Fame"
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MistaGoodBar
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:29 PM

188. "no"
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FromTheGo
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:59 PM

20. "Andrew Bynum"
In response to Reply # 0

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Wed Jan-30-13 03:59 PM

21. "cmon"
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MothershipConnection
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:01 PM

25. "Bowling Hall of Fame"
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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:42 PM

109. "*sad face*"
In response to Reply # 20

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Thu Jan-31-13 01:30 PM

189. "HA!!"
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Wed Jan-30-13 03:59 PM

22. "Rajon Rondo"
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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:23 PM

57. "Needs a few more years."
In response to Reply # 22

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Lach
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:56 PM

80. "bout 3-4 more years, then yes"
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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 11:10 PM

116. "they better be three or four more GREAT years though"
In response to Reply # 80

IMO he is not all that close yet, let's not get carried away.

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:12 AM

159. "Not yet. "
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melmag
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:03 PM

26. "Pau"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:23 PM

58. "Yes."
In response to Reply # 26

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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 11:44 PM

117. "He needs the Euro novelty to really endure, not sure it will"
In response to Reply # 26

He has NOT had a HOF NBA career but his tenure in Spain plus the silver medal might be enough. I don't know that I'd vote for him but he was really dominant in Spain and obviously hall of very good worthy in the NBA.

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Thu Jan-31-13 09:11 AM

158. "Shoe in"
In response to Reply # 26

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:20 PM

199. "How so? I would say he is about 60/40"
In response to Reply # 158

He is not huge on individual accomplishments in the NBA. Sure, he has two rings, a silver medal and a dominant period in Europe. That is in no small part because he didn't come over immediately. He wouldn't make it in on his NBA career alone, small handful of AS selections, two rings, I don't think that's quite enough.

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Wed Feb-06-13 06:03 PM

335. "Yes"
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melmag
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32. "Pau"
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pops_nice
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:09 PM

33. "Shawn Marion"
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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:23 PM

59. "not a chance"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:24 PM

"wrong place"
Wed Jan-30-13 04:26 PM by AnonymousCoward

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:24 PM

60. "Would need at least one more ring and All-Star Game."
In response to Reply # 33

So no, not likely.

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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:45 AM

138. "Uh, he would need more than that bruh"
In response to Reply # 60

Like an mvp award. He's got no shot.

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BrooklynWHAT
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:40 PM

65. "no chance."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

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Lach
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:56 PM

78. "lol no"
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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 11:45 PM

118. "zero chance, good player that will be widely forgotten/ignored"
In response to Reply # 33

but still not a HOF'er

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:14 PM

38. "Wade?"
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BrooklynWHAT
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:19 PM

49. "of course."
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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:25 PM

61. "Definitely."
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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:27 PM

62. "this is a silly question"
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:22 PM

201. "yes and obviously bron"
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RaFromQueens
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:28 PM

240. "Yes, first ballot."
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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:38 PM

64. "D-Rose"
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:01 PM

89. "Right today? lol, no. He's only played three whole seasons."
In response to Reply # 64

Let him have a career first. He has already started to build a great r�sum� for an HOF bid if he can stay on the court and play well for a few more seasons.

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:11 PM

96. "it would be an interesting scenario"
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he doesn't have the body of work, but he'd be the only MVP not to make it.

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113. "no."
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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:05 AM

125. "i want to give an emphatic no but didnt he win MVP?"
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he would be the first MVP ever to not make the HOF.

it would be really hard to put a guy who blew out his knee after three years in. grant hill had a longer prime than that, and IMO it was very important for him to come back and show he could play. bernard king's comeback was big, too, even walton's later career.

his candidacy is not very strong, i could only see ONE precedent, which is maurice stokes. i think he also played three seasons, he was paralyzed and forced to retire. there is also the MVP thing, of course

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Wed Jan-30-13 04:45 PM

66. "Dirk"
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BrooklynWHAT
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:47 PM

67. "of course. even before the title."
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AnonymousCoward
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68. "more silly questions"
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:01 PM

90. "Obviously."
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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:46 AM

139. "easily"
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guru0509
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:13 AM

163. "Greatest Euro player ever? (Sabonis was before my time)"
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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 10:57 AM

175. "Dirk is definitely the best Euro NBA player ever"
In response to Reply # 163

Sabonis retired to the NBA more or less, his knees were all shot out by 30 and he was still one of the better centers in the league. I saw him in the Olympics, otherwise everything is highlights and crappy Soviet camera work. I think he would have been an absolute animal, it would be impossible to come up with an NBA comparison. I've never seen a better passer, he could take guys off the dribble, he had shooting range, great touch around the basket and a multitude of post moves. Outside of taking guys off the bounce, he did all those things in the NBA even playing at half speed.

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298. "Probably the best passer I've ever seen..."
In response to Reply # 175

He had that Steve Nash finesse with throwing passes off the dribble, and was also big enough to hold the ball over his head and thread the needle. The kind of player who made passes that no one else could make, and make them look routine...

All the way to the end of his career, whenever he entered the game, it was a marvel to watch how much he did with such little physical capabilities.

It's insane to think how good he must've been when he was athletic.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Mon Feb-04-13 10:12 PM

325. "Sabonis was like Wayne Gretzky in old Bill Walton's body"
In response to Reply # 298

He just saw the game in ways other guys didn't but holy fuck was he worn down by the time he got over here.

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RaFromQueens
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:28 PM

241. "Yes, first ballot."
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:53 PM

70. "Manu Ginobli"
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Lach
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81. "post 13"
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Wed Jan-30-13 04:58 PM

84. "Tony Parker"
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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:03 PM

93. "I think he's in, yes."
In response to Reply # 84

Three titles, one Finals MVP, five All-Stars, one All-NBA 2nd Team, one All-NBA 3rd Team. Might not be first ballot, but I'd think he's in.

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Wed Jan-30-13 05:04 PM

94. "yep. might take a few rounds."
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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:12 PM

97. "IN"
In response to Reply # 84

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Wed Jan-30-13 11:45 PM

119. "I would vote for him on his NBA career alone"
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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:47 AM

141. "Yeah I think he'll make it"
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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:52 AM

155. "He woulda been Kevin Johnson w/o a chip "
In response to Reply # 84

.....but he has 3 and ain't even past his prime. Arguable, the best point guard this season.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:21 PM

200. "Had KJ stayed healthy he would have been a HOF'er EASILY"
In response to Reply # 155

Dude was hitting beast mode when his knees got fucked up and was still putting up Parker's numbers (which are deflated slightly, sure) even after that.

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Thu Jan-31-13 05:48 PM

254. "injuries are part of the game"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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ConcreteCharlie
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Mon Feb-04-13 10:13 PM

326. "what? the case is not for KJ, it's for Parker w/out a chip"
In response to Reply # 254

Are you even keeping track of the argument here?

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MistaGoodBar
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Wed Feb-06-13 06:08 PM

336. "yes"
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:02 PM

92. "Chris Paul"
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Frank Longo
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:10 PM

95. "Right today? I'd say yes.."
In response to Reply # 92

Give him two more years of being an All-Star PG and he's a lock, obviously. But a guy with multiple first team All-NBA selections... possibly another this year... two gold medals...

The number of guys with multiple All-NBA first team selections in the modern era who aren't getting into the Hall of Fame is... probably just one, Penny, because his career was cut so short. Everyone else is in. Including CP3.

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AnonymousCoward
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Wed Jan-30-13 05:15 PM

98. "IN"
In response to Reply # 92

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BlassFemur
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Wed Jan-30-13 06:32 PM

111. "Right today, I have a hard time seeing him making it."
In response to Reply # 92

He just hasn't done enough to warrant it, in my opinion. I think he will get in, but it's a bit premature to say he's done enough at this point.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Wed Jan-30-13 11:46 PM

120. "He's right on track and if it were some calamity then yes, he'd get in"
In response to Reply # 92

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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:48 AM

142. "Yes"
In response to Reply # 92

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:52 AM

144. "Not yet (He's on that Tim Hardaway status at the moment)"
In response to Reply # 92

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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TheRealBillyOcean
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:18 AM

169. "Needs a few years of winning & playoff runs or else he's K.J."
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Thu Jan-31-13 10:37 AM

172. "lol at the KJ & Hardaway mentions. CP3 is already more accomplished "
In response to Reply # 92

than both. I tend to overrate my childhood heroes too but we have to be serious here. If some unforeseen circumstances caused CP3 to retire today, he'd probably get in.

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Thu Jan-31-13 10:41 AM

173. "Rite. He's clearly the best PG in the golden age of PGs"
In response to Reply # 172

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:07 PM

197. "CP has had two seasons head & shoulder above the rest"
In response to Reply # 173

Rondo/Tony were better last season. Rose was better in 09-10, plus 10-11. Baron/Nash were better in the mid 2000s. Deron has had a better season: 06-07). Russy was better 10-11. CP is still eating off that period between 2007-2009. (Injuries are a part of the game)

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Thu Jan-31-13 05:08 PM

248. "LOL...better at what?"
In response to Reply # 197

>Rondo/Tony were better last season.

Definitely not basketball.

CP3 had yet another MVP-caliber season last year, clearly heads and shoulders above all other PG's. Like not even close.

I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this. It would take some next level spin to make it anything less than completely laughable.

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Thu Jan-31-13 05:50 PM

256. "Injuries are part of the game, RIGHT?"
In response to Reply # 248

>I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this. It would take some
>next level spin to make it anything less than completely
>laughable.

Top 5 embarrassed CP3 in the 2nd round sweep and Rondo was on bath salts in the EFC.

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Thu Jan-31-13 11:08 AM

178. "KJ led weaker teams to the Finals...and he dunked on MJ"
In response to Reply # 172

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:23 PM

202. "wtf? he was the second banana on a finals team with no hope"
In response to Reply # 178

loved kj but let's not rewrite history

the guy above that said paul is already better than kj and t bug is about right, although around this time is when those guys were peaking and hit with major injuries that slowed them down.

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Fri Feb-01-13 11:01 AM

288. "I assumed he was kinda playing off my "overrate childhood heroes" commen..."
In response to Reply # 202

>loved kj but let's not rewrite history
>
>the guy above that said paul is already better than kj and t
>bug is about right, although around this time is when those
>guys were peaking and hit with major injuries that slowed them
>down.

I didn't think this was a serious argument for KJ & CP3 being on the same level.

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Fri Feb-01-13 08:42 PM

295. "he did take the Suns to the WCF with Dan Majerle"
In response to Reply # 202

as the SECOND BEST scoring option...that's talent and ability

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Thu Jan-31-13 11:11 AM

179. "It's no laughing matter...yall do realize Paul is 27 right?"
In response to Reply # 172

and this is his 8th yr in the league?

and he's never been past the 2nd round of the playoffs?

Right?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=johnske02&y1=2000&p2=paulch01&y2=2013

Them numbers are VERY similar fam.

And KJ got to the finals once and the WCF twice in addition to that yr.

While I think Paul is a better player (but not by a whole helluva lot) his career isn't some pristine untouchable body of work.

He got 4 yrs to accomplish what KJ has in the post season. And you can argue that the team make up/competition has something to do with it but KJ faced off against a stacked West too (Lakers, Jazz, Blazers, Rockets, Sonics) and his team wasn't as talented as Paul's current Clips teams.

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Thu Jan-31-13 08:32 PM

269. "Those All-NBA team awards don't lie."
In response to Reply # 179

It'll be even clearer after he's likely first team All-NBA AGAIN at the end of this year (depending on his injury, knock on wood he's okay). A three-time All-NBA player ain't getting past up.

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115. "Rasheed Wallace or Lamar Odoms"
In response to Reply # 0

make a case or not for either, both got rangs and impact

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Wed Jan-30-13 11:48 PM

121. "No and absolutely not lol"
In response to Reply # 115

Sheed was a HOF talent who instead had a very good career. He didn't really maximize the prime of his career. He doesn't have the numbers. He has some intangibles working in his favor, he was a very good individual defender and a strong leader. Still, he was not a *STAR* in the way that HOF'ers are. You also had to question his commitment at plenty of turns. I adore Sheed, but I can't say he is a HOF'er.

Odom is an FOH'er! I have defended his impact many times but even considering him as a HOF candidate is ridiculous.

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Thu Jan-31-13 12:54 AM

124. "Rasheed is probably the best player of all time who..."
In response to Reply # 115

...will not make the Hall of Fame. His stats just don't make a solid case for him, but his talent and team successes make him worthy of consideration.

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:29 AM

132. "Both played hard but didn't have HOF careers"
In response to Reply # 115

consistency counts & they both didn't have it.

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149. "both didn't really play that hard for long stretches"
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:40 AM

153. "which is why I add: consistency counts & they both didn't have it."
In response to Reply # 149

the subject (they both played hard) was a pun to Sheed

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309. "familiar with the reference"
In response to Reply # 153

>the subject (they both played hard) was a pun to Sheed

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Wed Jan-30-13 11:58 PM

122. "Kevin Durant"
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:27 AM

129. "too soon n/m"
In response to Reply # 122

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Thu Jan-31-13 02:46 AM

140. "Yep, (see Bernard King)"
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:55 AM

145. "Why see Bernard King? Durant has already easily surpassed him."
In response to Reply # 140

King has two All-NBA first teams, one scoring title, and one playoff series victory.

Durant has three All-NBA first teams, three scoring titles, and led his team all the way to the Finals twice.

No comparison.

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:35 AM

151. "Just based on similar numbers in same amount of games played"
In response to Reply # 145
Thu Jan-31-13 03:55 AM by FILF

(Unless they win a chip, you're going to have to go by numbers b/c folks don't care about second place.)

As far as the accolades go, different eras=different competition.

For the All-NBA teams, King's competition at the forward position was ridiculous: Bird, Dr. J, Barkley, Nique, Dantley, Mail Man, Worthy, Mullins, Chambers, Cummings, McHale, English (Pretty much 10 HOFers).

As far as the scoring title (not that big of a deal, see Jerry Stackhouse), he got injured in the following season after leading the league by a mile.

>and led his team all the way to the Finals twice.
Twice, really? Anyways King had a mediocre team and was going up against a loaded east that had the likes of Larry's Celtics/Dr. J's Sixers/Zeke's Pistons (3 Dynasties in the same conference). KD meanwhile can't even get a top seed over old ass San Antonio.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:27 PM

203. "Dude King had Larry fucking Bird and Dr J in front of him"
In response to Reply # 145

Plus Barkley, Malone, etc. Durant is basically guaranteed a spot with LeBron. That's for all-NBA. How about Jordan for the scoring crown?

King was a fucking beast, he could score with anyone. No scorer in the NBA today has "surpassed him easily."

The problem with that argument is that King should be a HOF'er, too, so his truncated career (punctuated by comeback brilliance) should serve as a nod for Durant. It's not like Durant is going to get bored and quit tomorrow, the question is if he got hurt would he make it. I would say yes.

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Thu Jan-31-13 05:52 PM

257. "RE: Dude King had Larry fucking Bird and Dr J in front of him"
In response to Reply # 203

>How about Jordan for the
>scoring crown?
Naaah, Cheese-Eyes was just getting started when King won the crown, then King got injured the following season and that was all she wrote. So, MJ is irrelevant.

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Thu Jan-31-13 09:16 PM

283. "Both what you said AND Durant having the better HOF resume can be true."
In response to Reply # 203
Thu Jan-31-13 09:16 PM by Frank Longo

The two don't mean two different things. HOF resume =/= who's the better player. Do your achievements define an era? Durant's achievements are more impressive on a resume than King's.

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icecold21
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:26 AM

128. "Dwight Howard"
In response to Reply # 0

I don't think he gets in yet. He can definitely get there tho

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Thu Jan-31-13 02:28 AM

131. "right today no but his stats will get him in there"
In response to Reply # 128

He still a hoe tho

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Thu Jan-31-13 02:50 AM

143. "LOL, he is an automatic first ballot lock."
In response to Reply # 128

Every player on an All-NBA first team more than twice is basically a lock... and he was on five. Not to mention four rebound titles and 3 DPOYs. He's obviously in.

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:44 AM

154. "Dude never truely dominated in the wack era for centers"
In response to Reply # 143

If he had a chip, yeah, he would probably be a lock, otherwise, dude is Dikembe w/o the longevity.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 10:59 AM

177. "He dominated defensively and scored WAY more than Deke"
In response to Reply # 154

Deke is in. Howard is probably in RIGHT TODAY and certainly will make it in time as he's 26 or 27 with a HOF-ish career already.

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:09 PM

198. "Deke would be averging 20/20/5 against this bums"
In response to Reply # 177
Thu Jan-31-13 03:09 PM by FILF

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:29 PM

204. "LOL, what? "
In response to Reply # 198

Like Deke played against the best of the best! Early on, sure, and he was clearly not as good as Hakeem, Robinson, et al.

Later it was a dead ass Rik Smits, a deader ass Sabonis, Vlade ... not exactly Wilt, Russell and Kareem. He played against Shaq and Shaq ate his fucking lunch. Where was this great competition for Deke?

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Thu Jan-31-13 06:32 PM

262. "Prime Deke had lots of competition"
In response to Reply # 204
Thu Jan-31-13 06:40 PM by FILF

The Georgetown boys (Zo/Ewing), Baby Shaq, Dream, Robinson, Willis. Smit/Vlade/Sabonis and 'em were actually the 2nd tier centers. Then on the downside of his career, prime Shaq/Ben Wallace/Elmo.....Theo Ratliff/Camby et al being the 2nd tier centers. One the other hand, if Dwight keeps getting his lunch eaten by the Kendrick Perkins imagine what would happen against prime Deke.

P.S. There was no stopping prime Shaq especially considering Shaq had a 100 lbs on Deke and Deke was on the downside of his prime.

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Sat Feb-02-13 02:00 PM

308. "none of those guys playing D were why Deke didn't score 20"
In response to Reply # 262

Deke just wasn't a good offensive player.

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Mon Feb-04-13 10:14 PM

327. "He had hands of fucking stone man, his touch on the ball was like"
In response to Reply # 308

a rapist's touch on an anus, just brutal. sometimes i thought the ball was going to THROUGH the backboard.

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Wed Feb-06-13 04:30 AM

334. "two words: put backs"
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:33 PM

270. "The strength of the era doesn't matter. He's the dominant center of the ..."
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He's in.

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Thu Jan-31-13 06:30 PM

261. "Dwight Howard is not even close yet. He hasn't done shit..."
In response to Reply # 128
Thu Jan-31-13 06:32 PM by BlassFemur

except whine and bitch. He's being exposed as overrated as time goes on.

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Thu Jan-31-13 04:04 AM

156. "Hat-Trick? Ben Wallace/Dikembe/Alonzo "
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Thu Jan-31-13 05:20 AM

157. "omit all: retired "
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Thu Jan-31-13 05:22 AM by FILF

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170. "Trevor Ariza"
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(last one!)

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Thu Jan-31-13 10:42 AM

174. "No. But he's better for the Hall than Rudy Gay. "
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:33 PM

192. "lol"
In response to Reply # 174

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Thu Jan-31-13 01:31 PM

190. "Andre Miller"
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Thu Jan-31-13 01:33 PM

191. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:30 PM

205. "Hall of bad haircuts"
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:30 PM

193. "Amare"
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Thu Jan-31-13 02:53 PM

194. "believe it or not, he has the resume"
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:36 PM

211. "Ehhhh, he has a resume for the bubble, not induction"
In response to Reply # 194

If you are going to be as soft as he is, you had better score A LOT of points. He had a handful of years where he was doing it with Phoenix, first as a big man who ran the floor and exploded and later as a refined offensive player. But the consistency is not there and neither is the dominance anymore. That first playoff run with Nash, WOW, what potential. I don't want to say he squandered it, not at all, but he didn't wind up maximizing it for a number of reasons.

To me he doesn't rebound enough, he is just a respectable weakside shotblocker (otherwise worthless on defense mostly) and he didn't string together enough dominant seasons. He needs a second moment and don't know if it's in the cards.

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:35 PM

210. "Should definitely be in consideration...."
In response to Reply # 193
Thu Jan-31-13 03:37 PM by BSharp

Arguably the most underrated player of the era. His resume shows he's one of the most dominant scorers in the NBA.

If he retired today, it'd be unlikely, but he looks to have quite a bit of career left...

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Thu Jan-31-13 04:10 PM

227. "I say he needs the ring, but I'd say him quicker than Vince"
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Thu Jan-31-13 05:44 PM

251. "Nope, (See Shawn Kemp)"
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:41 PM

274. "Right today, he's a close but no cigar. Needs a couple more years."
In response to Reply # 193

If he can make a couple more All-Star teams or (don't strike me dead, God) if he can contribute to some serious Knick playoff success, then his resume improves.

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:30 PM

206. "Tracy McGrady?"
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:44 PM

216. "Absolutely, about ten very good years and some GREAT ones"
In response to Reply # 206

He was a dominant player and one of the major stars of the league. I would definitely put McGrady in.

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Thu Jan-31-13 04:06 PM

224. "He's a lock"
In response to Reply # 206

7 time all star
first team all-nba (x2), Second team (x3), Third team (x2)
two-time scoring champ
top-60 in all-time scoring

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Thu Jan-31-13 05:44 PM

250. "Like I said, KD/T-Mac @ the moment => Bernard King"
In response to Reply # 206

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Member since Jun 15th 2007
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:47 PM

277. "i'd say so. but i don't think he will be."
In response to Reply # 206

they'll give him a hard time like dominique.

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Hitokiri
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:31 PM

208. "Marcus Camby"
In response to Reply # 0

I suspect no.

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:35 PM

209. "Zero-time all-star"
In response to Reply # 208

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:44 PM

215. "DPOY and All Defensive Team though"
In response to Reply # 209

--

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AnonymousCoward
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Thu Jan-31-13 03:48 PM

218. "By that logic, Artest gets in."
In response to Reply # 215

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:13 PM

229. "And Ben Wallace is first ballot"
In response to Reply # 218

Ben Wallace's career SHITS on Camby's. I don't care if Camby came in as a big pick and stuck around forever as a stiff with good instincts once his body was shot. He is still a career disappointment, not that far off from Joe Smith and guys like that.

By contrast, Wallace was an outright DOMINANT defender. He played all 94 feet, he was a beast in the paint and he was hands down the best rebounder in the league. Those first couple of years Detroit was doing its thing with Carlisle, I thought Wallace was a legit MVP candidate despite his complete incompetence in the scoring department.

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Thu Jan-31-13 03:44 PM

217. "lol good god, no"
In response to Reply # 208

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 06:20 PM

259. "nope, (see Tree Rollins, lol)"
In response to Reply # 208

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murph71
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:04 PM

222. "A lot of folks in this thread don't get it...."
In response to Reply # 0

The BB Hall of Fame (as others have noted) does not only look at what a player does in the pros...It's simple...International play (this counts more for international foreign players who dominated the the Olympics and overseas players more than what Americans have done in the medal games), college, and pros...

That means folks like Melo and Webber would be in (right now)....

The trick is you have to either have multiple All-Star votes or rings or totally dominate the league...

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AnonymousCoward
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:09 PM

226. "Webber's college career never happened"
In response to Reply # 222

and if it did happen, he would have been a two year player who never won a title.

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Thu Jan-31-13 04:26 PM

237. "RE: Webber's college career never happened"
In response to Reply # 226

>and if it did happen, he would have been a two year player
>who never won a title.

People are not dumb....

Like I said in another post we all have memories...We saw those Michigan teams kill it with freshmen....The NCAA doesn't have a say in Webber getting in....

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Orbit_Established
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:41 PM

245. "Webber doesn't need college to get in the hall. He's top 10 all time. "
In response to Reply # 226

n/m

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:11 PM

228. "Uh, I think that's pretty fucking clear"
In response to Reply # 222

If people didn't understand that, then Manu, Pau, et al wouldn't be getting unanimous yeses.

How does it mean Webber is in? Fab 5 vacated their near misses and he choked like a bitch TWICE in one critical moment (travel, then timeout). If anything, that moment set the odds against him because he would be defined as a guy who was an overtalented underachiever in his career. He substantiated that by floundering around early, whining a lot, being injured and generally leaving people with a very lukewarm feeling.

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murph71
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:21 PM

232. "RE: Uh, I think that's pretty fucking clear"
In response to Reply # 228

>If people didn't understand that, then Manu, Pau, et al
>wouldn't be getting unanimous yeses.

Some folks were questioning Manu in this post...Just saying...

>How does it mean Webber is in? Fab 5 vacated their near misses
>and he choked like a bitch TWICE in one critical moment
>(travel, then timeout). If anything, that moment set the odds
>against him because he would be defined as a guy who was an
>overtalented underachiever in his career. He substantiated
>that by floundering around early, whining a lot, being injured
>and generally leaving people with a very lukewarm feeling.

He gets in because people actually have memories...No amount of the bullshit NCAAA taking away those years can erase the impact the Fab 5 had on college basketball...

Webber dominated college as a freshman and a sophomore....We don't need the NCAA to tell us that...EVERYONE saw it with their eyes...

As for his pro years, let's slow down...For all of Webber's asshole ways, dude turned around a joke of a franchise (the Kings) and made them a powerhouse in the NBA....They were one of the most popular teams in the NBA and would have been in a final if it wasn't for Fish's miracle shot...

The BB Hall of Fame is not the Baseball Hall of Fame...The door is much more wide open to get in...

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Orbit_Established
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:38 PM

243. "Webber is one of the 10 best PFs ever, Einstein. "
In response to Reply # 228

Duncan
Malone
McHale
Garnett
Petit
Barkley (combo)
Webber

Guys like Blake Griffin aren't going to end
up with career 1/2 as good as Webber

How the fuck you guys managed to think of Webber
as anything other than one of the best players
to ever play the game is pure idiocy

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ConcreteCharlie
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:14 PM

281. "He is absolutely not a top ten PF of all time, FOH"
In response to Reply # 243
Thu Jan-31-13 09:16 PM by ConcreteCharlie

>Duncan
>Malone
>McHale
>Garnett
>Petit
>Barkley (combo)
>Webber

LOL, so he is better than Elvin Hayes? No. Dirk? No. Bob McAdoo? No. I would take Rodman (a HOF'er) over him at the PF position, obviously they were very different players. If we are looking as far back as Petit, Dolph Schayes was a dominant PF of that era as well. Webber is battling guys like George McGinnis, Jerry Lucas and Buck Williams for spots right outside the top ten.

But, of course, you are also a pathetic Derrick Coleman defender, so carry on.

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RexLongfellow
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Fri Feb-01-13 10:38 AM

287. "RE: He is absolutely not a top ten PF of all time, FOH"
In response to Reply # 281

>>Duncan
>>Malone
>>McHale
>>Garnett
>>Petit
>>Barkley (combo)
>>Webber
>
>LOL, so he is better than Elvin Hayes? No. Dirk? No. Bob
>McAdoo? No. I would take Rodman (a HOF'er) over him at the PF
>position, obviously they were very different players. If we
>are looking as far back as Petit, Dolph Schayes was a dominant
>PF of that era as well. Webber is battling guys like George
>McGinnis, Jerry Lucas and Buck Williams for spots right
>outside the top ten.
That's some hate right there. Webber is a 20-10 guy for most of his career. He was a way better rebounder than Dirk, and a better passer as well. Dirk's got him on the MVP and the ring, but to say Webber is a 2nd tier PF when his career #'s are on par with KG is some hate (and that includes the years he was on the decline)

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Orbit_Established
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Fri Feb-01-13 11:04 AM

289. "Webber is UNQUESTIONABLY one of the 10 best PFs ever. "
In response to Reply # 287

Not even a discussion

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BSharp
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Sat Feb-02-13 10:06 AM

304. "Sorry.... Dirk over Webber. KG over Webber."
In response to Reply # 287

>That's some hate right there. Webber is a 20-10 guy for most
>of his career. He was a way better rebounder than Dirk, and a
>better passer as well. Dirk's got him on the MVP and the ring,
>but to say Webber is a 2nd tier PF when his career #'s are on
>par with KG is some hate (and that includes the years he was
>on the decline)

I think Webber belongs in the HOF, but I don't think there is any question that both Dirk and KG rank ahead of him in the all-time rankings. No question.

And Webber's career numbers are definitely not on par with KGs.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Mon Feb-04-13 10:17 PM

328. "OMG, fuck his numbers, KG is a MUCH better player, Dirk also better"
In response to Reply # 287

Did people not watch this guy's career? He was the epitome of a second-tier star, good producer, weak defender, inconsistent health and lots of fiddling around that culminated in a near miss. We are old, dudes, we saw this guy if we were watching. He was an excellent player. I think he has a strong case for the HOF. He was absolutely not a top ten PF though, he got lost in the shuffle of an unusually strong era for the position and he is NOT a lock for Springfield. I'd give him a better chance than not, nothing more than that.

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Orbit_Established
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Thu Jan-31-13 04:36 PM

242. "Webber is in because he had a breathtakingly awesome NBA career"
In response to Reply # 222

The Webber as disappointment meme is one of the dumbest,
most poorly founded ideas in basketball history.

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AnonymousCoward
Member since Sep 17th 2002
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Thu Jan-31-13 05:15 PM

249. "He's easilly the most underrated player of his era"
In response to Reply # 242

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 06:21 PM

260. "too bad he was a one way player"
In response to Reply # 249

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Orbit_Established
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Fri Feb-01-13 11:04 AM

290. "Like Barkley, Dirk, Bird, and plenty of others in the HOF"
In response to Reply # 260

STFU

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FILF
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Fri Feb-01-13 03:30 PM

291. "Bird........really?"
In response to Reply # 290

Besides, Barkley and Dirk carried their teams on their back because they were that dominant of a one way player but C-Webb choked on every level on loaded teams.

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Orbit_Established
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Fri Feb-01-13 03:33 PM

293. "Ugghh...WEBBER was FANTASTIC in the playoffs, idiot"
In response to Reply # 291

>Besides, Barkley and Dirk carried their teams on their back
>because they were that dominant of a one way player but C-Webb
>choked on every level on loaded teams.

The Webber-led Kings came within a WHISKER of beating the
MIGHTY LOS ANGELES LAKERS in SHAQ'S PRIME!!

And DIRK GOT BOUNCED from the Playoffs by the 8-seed the
SAME SEASON he won the MVP!!

FOH!!

The "Webber as choker" meme NEVER stands up to scrutiny

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FILF
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Sat Feb-02-13 04:09 AM

301. "Lil GOAT beat the Lakers all by himself...I rest my case "
In response to Reply # 293

U Mad?

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Mon Feb-04-13 10:33 PM

331. "They had home court and a million chances to win, Sac was ..."
In response to Reply # 293

the better team. They should have won that series. Let's not rewrite history.

Webber was their leading scorer, OK, but Bibby was their go-to guy in big spots. Webber's numbers were about the same if not a little worse than the regular season. He struggled at the foul line, for example. Minutes go up in the playoffs, you'd expect a little surge, no?

That was a good year for Webber, actually, whose playoff averages were generally about 4 PPG lower than the regular season. A few break even seasons put him just a couple points per game below for his career. He shot worse from the line and the field, his first three seasons in Sac he bricked a shitload.

Face it, you think he is cute. You know little or nothing about his career. I don't blame you, he is an attractive man.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Mon Feb-04-13 10:24 PM

330. "Underrated!?! LMAO!"
In response to Reply # 249

How was his profile so low? He came into the league as the number one overall pick, won rookie of the year and then promptly being traded twice while he fucked around? He was on TV plenty with Sacramento (he whined a lot there, too) and he managed to get them to a conference final in which they were favored only to wilt in the end. He didn't kill them, but he wasn't the best player in the series or on his own team. His body started going after that. He had a lot of things going for him, guard skills in a big body plus GREAT hands in every way (softness, quickness, strength). Like I said the dude had a lot of Elvin Hayes' game in him, but you look at his career versus Hayes, pfffft, no contest and that includes college, too.

Adande's column about Webber's retirement was spot the fuck on. He was not a bad guy and you could never exactly drop the hammer on his play, but he wasn't that next level dude for a variety of reasons. Dirk proved to be. Garnett proved to be. Sure, Barkley and Malone didn't but just give that the eye test, they were considerably better players with considerably better careers.

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Frank Longo
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:34 PM

271. "Melo's college career, even with the ring, doesn't match Webber's."
In response to Reply # 222
Thu Jan-31-13 08:37 PM by Frank Longo

Melo's obviously in as well, and the college ring obviously helps. But let's not act like it gives him the same boost Webber's college career will give him.

Not that Webber even needs the help, as I'm pretty goddamn sure he's in. But folks argue against him. Only one All-NBA First Team (but three Second Team and a third team... half a decade of All-NBA is nothing to sneeze at), and even though I've been told to fuck off, there will be those who say because he has no ring in college or the NBA that he should wait a year.

The college career just makes it way harder to argue against Webber.

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Thu Jan-31-13 04:55 PM

247. "NO KOBESTER?"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Jan-31-13 04:55 PM by T Reynolds

just because he's a shoe-in doesn't mean you people get to casually neglect mentioning the don

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icecold21
Member since Jan 18th 2008
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Thu Jan-31-13 05:48 PM

255. "What makes you think he would get in?"
In response to Reply # 247

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Thu Jan-31-13 06:00 PM

258. "cmon!"
In response to Reply # 255

he revolutionized basketball!

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Fri Feb-01-13 06:31 AM

285. "They will just ignore it and not post "Yes" because they know"
In response to Reply # 247

they'll look like damn idiots for saying "No"

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Fri Feb-01-13 08:42 AM

286. "Silence is compliance"
In response to Reply # 285

I never thought Kobe hate could endure so long in the hearts of the jealous and / or bitter

I will pray for them

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rob
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Fri Feb-01-13 09:01 PM

299. "lol at this insecure shit again"
In response to Reply # 247

yeah why aren't bron and duncan and kg in this post.

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RaFromQueens
Member since Apr 18th 2006
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Sat Feb-02-13 01:48 PM

306. "Cmon. Kobe is top 20-25 all time."
In response to Reply # 247

The Hall of Fame isn't going to be a big deal for his career.

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FILF
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Thu Jan-31-13 06:39 PM

263. "Joe Johnson "
In response to Reply # 0

Should get some considerations for securing 2 max contracts.

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Thu Jan-31-13 06:40 PM

264. "Actually, his agent should."
In response to Reply # 263

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mistermaxxx08
Member since Dec 31st 2010
16076 posts

Thu Jan-31-13 07:15 PM

265. "Deron Williams, Jason Terry,Josh Smith, Kevin Love,Lamarcus Alridge"
In response to Reply # 0

who got a chance of those cats?

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Frank Longo
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:38 PM

272. "If Love can manage last year's stats for half a decade, I'd put him in."
In response to Reply # 265
Thu Jan-31-13 08:38 PM by Frank Longo

The others have no chance without leading a team to two rings.

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BSharp
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Sat Feb-02-13 10:02 AM

303. "I thought rings were what mattered?"
In response to Reply # 272

smh

Love has not even stayed healthy for a full season, let alone led a team to the playoffs.

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Frank Longo
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Sat Feb-02-13 03:05 PM

312. "They do matter to the actual people that vote."
In response to Reply # 303

But if Kevin Love pus up 26 and 14 consistently for more than half a decade, he'd get consideration, as that's an insane statistical anomaly in the modern era.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:06 PM

280. "what the fuck? about zero except maybe love who needs much more"
In response to Reply # 265

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FILF
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Fri Feb-01-13 04:23 AM

284. "Love..FOH. If Deron wins a chip as a 2nd option, he has a chance"
In response to Reply # 280

Love would have to see the playoffs first before his name is ever mentioned in the same breath as the HOF. Zach Randolph has a better resume and is actually a better player & he isn't seeing the HOF with his current resume. Also, Boozer/Brand have also had a better career at the same position.

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T Reynolds
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Fri Feb-01-13 03:32 PM

292. "D Will"
In response to Reply # 265

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Hitokiri
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Thu Jan-31-13 07:20 PM

266. "Andrei Kirilenko"
In response to Reply # 0

--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

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Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
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Thu Jan-31-13 08:40 PM

273. "Nah."
In response to Reply # 266

Euro stud to be sure, but only one All-Star team and no real Olympic success either, only winning a bronze for the first time last summer.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Thu Jan-31-13 09:15 PM

282. "lol no, sarunas has a better chance and he aint makin it."
In response to Reply # 266

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Thu Jan-31-13 08:50 PM

278. "My bad you said active...*edit*"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Jan-31-13 08:53 PM by subjctmattr

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DeepAztheRoot
Member since Dec 19th 2003
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Fri Feb-01-13 08:44 PM

297. "Steve Nash"
In response to Reply # 0

yes, first ballot two-time MVP

and it makes a lot of people mad that I just want to see it in writing in this post

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FILF
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Sat Feb-02-13 04:11 AM

302. "The has never been a white bol that never got the benefit of the doubt"
In response to Reply # 297
Sat Feb-02-13 04:11 AM by FILF

yep

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
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Sat Feb-02-13 03:06 PM

313. "He's a first ballot lock."
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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Mon Feb-04-13 10:19 PM

329. "obviously"
In response to Reply # 297

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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mistermaxxx08
Member since Dec 31st 2010
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Sat Feb-02-13 03:23 AM

300. "Baron Davis, richard hamilton, deng"
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any of those cats?

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melmag
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Sat Feb-02-13 11:02 AM

305. "none of them"
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ShawndmeSlanted
Member since Oct 30th 2004
43352 posts

Mon Feb-04-13 01:14 PM

322. "Deng still has a shot to put together a later career run"
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a la Pierce

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RaFromQueens
Member since Apr 18th 2006
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Sat Feb-02-13 02:10 PM

310. "Basketball-Reference.com Hall of Fame Probability"
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Sat Feb-02-13 02:10 PM by RaFromQueens

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

1. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 0.9999
3. Kevin Garnett 0.9990
4. LeBron James 0.9987
5. Dwyane Wade 0.9978
6. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9874
7. Paul Pierce 0.9828
8. Jason Kidd 0.9563
9. Ray Allen 0.9293
10. Chris Paul 0.8946
11. Chris Bosh 0.8918
12. Tony Parker 0.8257
13. Dwight Howard 0.8085
14. Carmelo Anthony 0.8075
15. Vince Carter 0.7834
16. Kevin Durant 0.7000
17. Pau Gasol 0.6136
18. Tracy McGrady 0.5822
19. Amare Stoudemire 0.5766
20. Steve Nash 0.5699
21. Grant Hill 0.3885
22. Shawn Marion 0.3191
23. Gilbert Arenas 0.2491
24. Chauncey Billups 0.2361
25. Deron Williams 0.2315
26. Rajon Rondo 0.2137
27. Joe Johnson 0.1798
28. Manu Ginobili 0.1392
29. Elton Brand 0.0905
30. Carlos Boozer 0.0798
31. Baron Davis 0.0673
32. Antawn Jamison 0.0634
33. Richard Hamilton 0.0549
34. Zach Randolph 0.0549
35. Rasheed Wallace 0.0475
36. Jermaine O'Neal 0.0399
37. Lamar Odom 0.0391
38. David Lee 0.0358
39. Derek Fisher 0.0302
40. LaMarcus Aldridge 0.0282
41. Monta Ellis 0.0276
42. Andre Iguodala 0.0183
43. David West 0.0181
44. Luol Deng 0.0171
45. Jason Terry 0.0159
46. Caron Butler 0.0133
47. Andre Miller 0.0132
48. Jerry Stackhouse 0.0123
49. Michael Redd 0.0121
50. Danny Granger 0.0112

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Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
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Sat Feb-02-13 03:11 PM

314. "Doesn't factor in college or international play."
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As indicated by how low Grant Hill and Manu are.

Also doesn't factor in MVP awards, evident by Nash's score.

Also doesn't factor All-NBA first, second, and third team awards, as those have generally been very strong indicators of HOF probability.

Clearly it's a flawed system, as Duncan isn't at 1.0000, lol.

But it does include rings, accurately, which may anger someone in this post.

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rob
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Sat Feb-02-13 04:11 PM

315. "i think it does pretty much what they aim to do though"
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based off the discussion in their methods...i think they'd be happy with whiffing on 2 dudes for obvious reasons and some of their borderline guys (tmac, amare) potentially missing the cut.

at least basketball isn't baseball. vince carter is really the only guy i'm torn on and he seems likely to make it.

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Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
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Sat Feb-02-13 04:18 PM

316. "Well, sure."
In response to Reply # 315

I think there'd probably be a way to more accurately assess is all I'm saying. Their system is a good approximation.

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FILF
Member since Jun 01st 2007
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Sun Feb-03-13 05:59 AM

317. "#22 is where the b.s. starts and ends"
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>22. Shawn Marion 0.3191
>23. Gilbert Arenas 0.2491
>24. Chauncey Billups 0.2361
>25. Deron Williams 0.2315
>26. Rajon Rondo 0.2137
>27. Joe Johnson 0.1798
>28. Manu Ginobili 0.1392
>29. Elton Brand 0.0905
>30. Carlos Boozer 0.0798
>31. Baron Davis 0.0673
>32. Antawn Jamison 0.0634
>33. Richard Hamilton 0.0549
>34. Zach Randolph 0.0549
>35. Rasheed Wallace 0.0475
>36. Jermaine O'Neal 0.0399
>37. Lamar Odom 0.0391
>38. David Lee 0.0358
>39. Derek Fisher 0.0302
>40. LaMarcus Aldridge 0.0282
>41. Monta Ellis 0.0276
>42. Andre Iguodala 0.0183
>43. David West 0.0181
>44. Luol Deng 0.0171
>45. Jason Terry 0.0159
>46. Caron Butler 0.0133
>47. Andre Miller 0.0132
>48. Jerry Stackhouse 0.0123
>49. Michael Redd 0.0121
>50. Danny Granger 0.0112

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subjctmattr
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Mon Feb-04-13 05:16 PM

323. "This list has T-Mac over Nash = USELESS LIST"
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