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"Has John Wall hit his ceiling? (Broussard Insider Swipe)"


  

          

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Thursday, January 17, 2013
Has John Wall hit his ceiling?
By Chris Broussard
ESPN the Magazine

One of the most intriguing young players in the league returned to action last week. John Wall and his blazing, high-wire act are back from a knee injury and, finally, there's a spark of life in the Washington Wizards' franchise.

Wall, a third-year point guard, is unquestionably one of the most exciting players in the world. Liable to dunk on an entire team at any time, Wall is must-see TV.

But that's about all we know about the 6-foot-4 lightning bolt. Two up-and-down, at-times-dazzling, at-times-exasperating seasons have left us without answers as to how good Wall will eventually be.

Sometimes that's how it is; no one would've predicted greatness for John Stockton, Gary Payton, Steve Nash or Chauncey Billups after their first two seasons, so Wall's inconsistent play so far is not necessarily a definitive statement about what his future holds.

But other point guards, particularly recently, have defined themselves as future perennial All-Stars much quicker than Wall. I'm talking about guys like Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Rose.

Wall's numbers are fairly strong. He's averaged 16.3 points and 8.1 assists over his first two seasons, but he's also committed 3.8 turnovers a game while shooting about 41 percent from the floor. So what does it all mean? How good does Wall project to be?

To find out, we asked several NBA experts who are paid to assess talent, potential and productivity for their thoughts on Wall. Here's what two NBA team executives and two scouts think of the No. 1 pick of the 2010 draft.

The Eastern Conference executive:

"His stock never should've been as high as it was. His whole game is based on straight-line speed. He doesn't have good lateral moves in the half court. He's not a shooter, he's not leader, he's not a guy you can build a team around. What he is is a better version of Tyreke Evans.

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He's not a shooter, he's not leader, he's not a guy you can build a team around. What he is is a better version of Tyreke Evans.
" -- An Eastern Conference executive

"If you build your team around Wall, you're not building a strong playoff team. He doesn't have any pace to his game. He just has blinding speed. When Jason Kidd was young, he didn't have pace either. All he had was blinding speed. The difference, though, was that Kidd had native playmaking ability. He used his blinding speed to get other guys shots. Wall uses his speed to get to the rim every time and he doesn't make anybody better.

"I like him as a kid, and I hope for his sake that he watched enough tape while he was injured to appreciate pace. I also hope he likes Bradley Beal and realizes that he's a guy he can throw the ball to. You can certainly argue that over his first two seasons, he didn't have anyone to throw the ball to.''

The Western Conference executive:

"When you talk about the perception of him coming out of college, he got the benefit of being from Kentucky. … That probably led to him being a bit overrated. He definitely has not yet established himself as a great player, but you have to factor in the situation in Washington. How is that impacting him? It's easy to pounce on him, but a lot of people around the league are blaming the situation in Washington more than they're blaming him.''

The Eastern Conference scout:

"When he entered the league, I thought he could improve and one day get to that elite status. But judging by the way he's played so far, I'd say, 'No, he's not going to be an elite point guard.' He's so limited. He's not a great decision-maker and he's not a great scorer, so those two things right there keep him from entering the class of Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Kyrie Irving, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook and those guys. He's not in that class. He's a tremendous athlete going north and south. I see a guy who thinks 'shoot first, pass second.' Maybe that's because he's on a bad team, but I think those are his instincts -- shoot first, pass second. And I think his jumper, or his lack of a jumper, is an Achilles' heel for him.

"I think of Wall as a poor man's Westbrook. Both are great athletes playing point guard and both are really, really fast. They both finish strong at the rim. I think that's one of the best things about Wall's game -- that he can get to the hole and finish. But I think he's a tier below Westbrook and those other elite guys. Yeah, Westbrook isn't a great decision-maker and his game is based largely on his athleticism, but he is also a good shooter. I hate to say Wall can't be like Westbrook because he's such a young kid, but I really don't think he can. I don't think he's in the class of Westbrook. When the ball comes off Westbrook's hand, it looks good. When it comes off Wall's hand, it's, 'Man, that thing ain't going in.' Can Wall get to that elite status? I have my doubts. Wall needed to stay in college longer. But he was going to be picked so high that you can't blame him for leaving.''
Another Eastern Conference scout:

"My general feeling is that Wall isn't a guy you build a team around. He's not a franchise guy. He's a very good player, but I'm getting that Steve Francis feeling. He's a very similar player to Francis. They're damn near identical. Now some people may immediately say, 'Wait a minute, he's better than Steve Francis.' But they're just remembering the end of Francis' career. Remember, that guy made some All-Star teams. Both are athletic guys playing point guard who really aren't necessarily point guards. They don't shoot it well, they're not the best decision-makers. They're very exciting, very explosive guys who can make plays. One minute they're exciting, the next minute they're boneheaded. They do so many things well that you can't help but appreciate their talent. They're nice players to have, but they can't be your franchise guy. They're more like a number 3 guy if you're going to be a really good team. To be fair, Wall will pass the ball. He's a little more of a point guard than Francis was. Francis was a little more of a scorer, more shoot first than Wall.

"Russell Westbrook is another great comparison. He's another tremendous athlete who's playing point guard and who often does some boneheaded stuff. But his talent is so great that you say, 'That's OK.' But Westbrook kind of underscores the point I'm making about Wall. You have to have a Kevin Durant and a couple of other guys with him. Oklahoma had Durant and Harden with Westbrook, so he's one of two or three guys; he's not your main guy. If you put Wall in Oklahoma and Westbrook in Washington, the Wizards would still suck and Oklahoma would still be good.''

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lol excellent mad-making potential
Jan 17th 2013
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you'd think i was the scout they're quoting...
Jan 17th 2013
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      the last paragraph i just knew it was you until i peeped the "
Jan 18th 2013
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This shit right here got me rolling
Jan 17th 2013
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yeah that was amazing lol
Jan 17th 2013
9
http://tinyurl.com/b954wca
Jan 17th 2013
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Interchangeable with Russ is a bad thing?
Jan 17th 2013
5
uh, they said he's not interchangeable with Russ
Jan 17th 2013
11
nope.
Jan 17th 2013
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Dude came back out of shape and is putting up 13 and 7 in 22 minutes
Jan 17th 2013
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Right? Why does my dude make people so angry?
Jan 17th 2013
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dude coming off an injury....wait a few months before obituary
Jan 17th 2013
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let's just say he has for the sake of argument
Jan 18th 2013
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jan 18th 2013
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he ain't no better than tony wroten, dogg.
Jan 18th 2013
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      You sooooo Angry right now B. Lmao.
Jan 18th 2013
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      just givin my opinion, dogg....wroten a 16/8 awful shooter type too
Jan 18th 2013
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           John Wall is dougie'ing on your burning soul & smiling
Jan 18th 2013
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      actually wroten will be better than wall...i'll make a new thread tho
Jan 25th 2013
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           Your shit is tired & lame B. Kyrie had more turnovers than assists tho.
Jan 25th 2013
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                we not discussing kyrie no more...wroten bout to enter that third tier
Jan 25th 2013
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                     Don't get mad now. I see them smoke screens. 1:1
Jan 25th 2013
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                          oh, i think we both know i ain't mad...like, at all...
Jan 25th 2013
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                               Well....since none of them dudes passed him. I'd say your mad.
Jan 25th 2013
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                                    for real? you don't think curry clearly better than wall? is jrue?
Jan 25th 2013
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                                         Jrue aint. Curry is winning now. No diff than before.
Jan 25th 2013
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                                              jrue ain't? but, he score better and drop dimes better?
Jan 25th 2013
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                                                   Why do you insist on posting dumb? He scoring & getting...
Jan 25th 2013
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                                                        so jrue's numbers gonna drop in the second half?
Jan 25th 2013
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                                                             They might drop. Who knows?
Jan 25th 2013
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                                                                  LMAO @ 12/13 dimes per...good luck, dogg.
Jan 25th 2013
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                                                                       The dimes come easy for him. He can get 8 with shit.
Jan 25th 2013
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Wall has already won as many games as Kyrie this season
Jan 26th 2013
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http://tinyurl.com/n64ycv7
Dec 03rd 2013
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damn, RBO going in, lol
Dec 03rd 2013
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:-)
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LBs Finest
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1. "lol excellent mad-making potential"
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2. "you'd think i was the scout they're quoting..."
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"He doesn't have any pace to his game. He just has blinding speed."

oh well...

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13. "the last paragraph i just knew it was you until i peeped the ""
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3. "This shit right here got me rolling"
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When the ball comes off Westbrook's hand, it looks good. When it comes off Wall's hand, it's, 'Man, that thing ain't going in.'


Also John Wall wishes he could shoot half as good as Steve Francis.

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9. "yeah that was amazing lol"
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>When the ball comes off Westbrook's hand, it looks good. When
>it comes off Wall's hand, it's, 'Man, that thing ain't going
>in.'
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>Also John Wall wishes he could shoot half as good as Steve
>Francis.

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4. "http://tinyurl.com/b954wca"
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http://tinyurl.com/b954wca

Niggaz are FURIOUS!

So FURIOUS they posting articles.

No......

not articles from respected journalist like Chris Broussard!

I'm happy!

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5. "Interchangeable with Russ is a bad thing?"
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I don't think Wall will be elite but he could still be an above average PG and a difference maker for a quality team. I think people are forgetting just how horrific the teams he was playing on were. I thought the Wiz looked better when Nene arrived last year. Get some legit veterans on the team and see if Wall can adapt before giving up on him.

As for his draft stock, if you did a redraft, he'd still be a top three pick and possibly #1. Greg Monroe is the only guy I'd see definitely taking over him. Maybe an argument could be made for Paul George but I'd disagree. Adding Cousins to that Wizards squad would have been an utter disaster. Turner's a tweener, Favors is still living off of potential, etc.

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11. "uh, they said he's not interchangeable with Russ"
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>I don't think Wall will be elite but he could still be an
>above average PG and a difference maker for a quality team. I
>think people are forgetting just how horrific the teams he was
>playing on were. I thought the Wiz looked better when Nene
>arrived last year. Get some legit veterans on the team and see
>if Wall can adapt before giving up on him.
>
>As for his draft stock, if you did a redraft, he'd still be a
>top three pick and possibly #1. Greg Monroe is the only guy
>I'd see definitely taking over him. Maybe an argument could be
>made for Paul George but I'd disagree. Adding Cousins to that
>Wizards squad would have been an utter disaster. Turner's a
>tweener, Favors is still living off of potential, etc.
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6. "nope."
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7. "Dude came back out of shape and is putting up 13 and 7 in 22 minutes"
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Thats 21 and 11 for the per 36ers.

And has the Wiz actually looking decent.

Not a bad ceiling.

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8. "Right? Why does my dude make people so angry?"
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I can't call it.

He played 138 games in the NBA. Yet he's reached his ceiling?

Lol.

This shit only gonna make Johnny madder.

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10. "dude coming off an injury....wait a few months before obituary"
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12. "let's just say he has for the sake of argument"
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that will not stop 15-20 teams from trying to scoop him up when his bid with the Wizards is up, and that's all that really matters.

  

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14. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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15. "he ain't no better than tony wroten, dogg. "
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16. "You sooooo Angry right now B. Lmao. "
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17. "just givin my opinion, dogg....wroten a 16/8 awful shooter type too"
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18. "John Wall is dougie'ing on your burning soul & smiling"
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19. "actually wroten will be better than wall...i'll make a new thread tho"
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'cause people gonna hope on wroten and pretend i never said this

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20. "Your shit is tired & lame B. Kyrie had more turnovers than assists tho."
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Weird

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21. "we not discussing kyrie no more...wroten bout to enter that third tier"
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22. "Don't get mad now. I see them smoke screens. 1:1"
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23. "oh, i think we both know i ain't mad...like, at all..."
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there won't be no mad on this side between us for the rest of the year...college or pro.

but, yeah, wroten jive nice. i can see him surpassing wall just like BJ3, steph and jrue did.

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24. "Well....since none of them dudes passed him. I'd say your mad."
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The constant worrying about Wall. Not a good look. 1:1.....my bad 1:2

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25. "for real? you don't think curry clearly better than wall? is jrue? "
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damn, is russy better?

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26. "Jrue aint. Curry is winning now. No diff than before."
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John is back. Now John is winning. People are taking notice. And that's why your upping this dumbshit.

Scared niggaz do strange things.

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27. "jrue ain't? but, he score better and drop dimes better?"
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i just don't understand.

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28. "Why do you insist on posting dumb? He scoring & getting..."
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more dimes for the first half of this year.

You reactionary posting like a mutha.

As if last years 13 & 4 didn't happen. Gtfoh.

We in the middle of a J'rue renaissance right?

John has played about a season a half worth of games so far in the league.

Keep posting dumb though. We know what it is.

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29. "so jrue's numbers gonna drop in the second half?"
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>more dimes for the first half of this year.
>
>You reactionary posting like a mutha.

nah...i'm just on my make 'em mad mission, dogg. you know me. *shrug*

>As if last years 13 & 4 didn't happen. Gtfoh.

hey, i be saying the same thing, but i really don't care. jrue don't threaten me.


>We in the middle of a J'rue renaissance right?
>
>John has played about a season a half worth of games so far in
>the league.

sooooo...john gonna be an all star next year? that what you saying?

>Keep posting dumb though. We know what it is.

yeah...we do.

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30. "They might drop. Who knows?"
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I don't care about J'Rue. He's a good pg.

John Wall has great pg game.

I don't know about All Star. Shits tough to make. Rose will be back.

Deron should bounce back. Should've been on over J'rue imo.

My benchmark for him is getting the Wiz in the playoffs which will happen if he's healthy. And averaging a double double.

The peak for him is 17/18 ppg 12/13 apg 5-7rpg and winning.

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31. "LMAO @ 12/13 dimes per...good luck, dogg. "
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he COULD get that man dimes...but, he'd have to be pressed and score sub-15 like rondo. you don't get 13 dimes per in the flow of your game...you passing with purpose with dimes that high...and then you can't get over 15 per with that same pace with a shitty J from 3 and no mid range game.

maxed out wall is 18 and 10...basically what jrue doing now.

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32. "The dimes come easy for him. He can get 8 with shit."
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10 with better teammates. 12/13 with increased knowledge..

He gets on an athletic team that scores a lot he could do 11 now. Cuz he finds people.

And he has the sidekick.

He doesn't try to score. The points come easy. He gets to the hole and gets contact. He's bigger now and finishing through some contact.

His jumper looked good today. Since college and since he's been in the NBA I've stood on a mountain and said he needs to have confidence and shoot a jumper. That no jumping set shot was for the birds.

He hit like 2 or 3 today. Pull up. Don't think about it.

And now he's mad. Really mad. Lol.

If they could manage to get Gay. Keep the pick. Draft Big Nerlens.

Even if they don't get Gay. It's still a good look. Let Emeka come off.

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33. "Wall has already won as many games as Kyrie this season"
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34. "http://tinyurl.com/n64ycv7"
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35. "damn, RBO going in, lol"
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36. ":-)"
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