I know we've got a bunch of Te'o posts, but don't we need a poll to see what people think? I am curious how many people think he perpetrated, versus how many people think he's the extremely gullible victim of a con job

Poll result (47 votes) He got took (7 votes) Vote He deed it (c) FSC (34 votes) Vote Fucking Lance rolls a 7 AGAIN. (6 votes) Vote

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

---
Dynasty -
noun, plural dy�nas�ties.
1. a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group; Roll Tide.

Alabama Crimson Tide: 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017, 2020 Nat’l Champ

lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

----------------------------------
I have a webcomic: www.watchthecomic.com

My webcomic has a page: www.facebook.com/watchyourheadcomic

i still blame hip-hop.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

The only thing that actually makes sense is the both option.

---------------------------------------

http://twitter.com/malael

______________________________
PSN ID - muzuabo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/muz_e/

The character and intelligence thing was supposed to supposed to be what boosted him above the pack, but you can't say he's exceptional at that anymore. You think an NFL defensive squad, most of whom are legitimately crazy to begin with, aren't gonna give this guy a bunch of shit or have a hard time listening to him after they saw him cry alligator tears about his fake dead girlfriend?

I think when it all shakes out, he ends up in the 2nd round. People who were putting him in the top 10 were putting him too high to begin with, the only middle backers who get drafted in the 1st these days are guys like Kuechly, Cushing, Mayo who are all better athletes and can stay on the field three downs (the one exception recently being Rolando McClain, another headcase who is a huge bust, but that is an Al Davis pick). 2nd round is right around where teams will take chances and also where the run stopping backers like Posluszny and Laurinitis go.

I would LOVE to see how the NFL personnel guys are gonna grill him at the Combine, unlike the media those guys truly give no fucks (ask Dez Bryant).

>The character and intelligence thing was supposed to supposed
>to be what boosted him above the pack, but you can't say he's
>exceptional at that anymore. You think an NFL defensive
>squad, most of whom are legitimately crazy to begin with,
>aren't gonna give this guy a bunch of shit or have a hard time
>listening to him after they saw him cry alligator tears about
>his fake dead girlfriend?
>
>I think when it all shakes out, he ends up in the 2nd round.
>People who were putting him in the top 10 were putting him too
>high to begin with, the only middle backers who get drafted in
>the 1st these days are guys like Kuechly, Cushing, Mayo who
>are all better athletes and can stay on the field three downs
>(the one exception recently being Rolando McClain, another
>headcase who is a huge bust, but that is an Al Davis pick).
>2nd round is right around where teams will take chances and
>also where the run stopping backers like Posluszny and
>Laurinitis go.
>
>I would LOVE to see how the NFL personnel guys are gonna grill
>him at the Combine, unlike the media those guys truly give no
>fucks (ask Dez Bryant).

Really depends what comes out when teams are able to interview this guy. If they think the guy is legitimately unreliable, he could drop like a rock. Like one NFL exec said "We'll draft criminals, but lie to my face and you're off our board."

I just don't know how you live this down in an nfl locker room.
He'll always be that guy. Starting to feel bad for the guy.

---
Dynasty -
noun, plural dy�nas�ties.
1. a sequence of rulers from the same family, stock, or group; Roll Tide.

Alabama Crimson Tide: 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017, 2020 Nat’l Champ

Pretty much everyone who plays on an NFL defense is crazy already, for real. Could you imagine if Baltimore drafted him to replace Ray Lewis? Those dudes would eat him alive.

If he was on my team I'd consider moving him to a lower pressure position like weakside backer.

Worst case scenario, he was complicit from the jump due to publicity. Which is disgraceful and awful.

Or he was complicit in a fake relationship to cover up his homosexuality that then spun hopelessly out of control. Which is sad and quite a shame but is far more understandable.

Or he was complicit in continuing to perpetrate a hoax after he was initially duped by someone who catfished him, solely out of shame. Which is somewhere between the previous two.

But he lied to his father, telling him that he met this girl.
He talked about her publicly after receiving this alleged call in which he realized it was a hoax.
He told ESPN that she was the most beautiful girl he ever met.

There are obvious discrepancies which point to a cover-up that Te'o was complicit in his involvement with. His motive is unclear, so it's not obvious why he was complicit or how much of this is his concoction.

But he definitely lied and perpetrated that lie to the public, whether it's out of embarrassment or something more nefarious.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

He lied and embellished his relationship to avoid being ridiculed for falling for a person he had never met face to face.
He was probably worried that people would judge him for someone he never actually met, and by the looks of peoples reactions, he was right.

_________________________

... then that's perpetrating. He told the media at a pre-Heisman even on Dec. 8, two days after the alleged phone call in which he discovered it was a hoax, that cancer took the life of his grandmother and his girlfriend.

That's textbook perpetrating after the fact. Simply can't be defended.

That's just one example, and a damning one. It doesn't even touch upon the number of holes in what he's told family and the press beforehand.

A lie is a lie. Even if he did it out of shame of an online relationship or shame of something else, it's still lying to the press.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

_________________________

All that is currently clear is that he has definitely lied. Which casts his entire explanation of the scenario into doubt. So more facts need to come out.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

OK, I get it... Otherwise.. whoa...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

>Otherwise.. whoa...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

but he milked it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

People would assume he's still hurting and fall back and he could always later say "hey, I didnt lie".

But ima fall back until the dust settles

He saw the media loved this story and didn't want to deny them the opportunity to write about it. Saying "I don't want to talk about that at this time" is the easiest thing in the world. But he volunteered a reference to her... after he knew it was a hoax.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

as even more cowardly than making the entire thing up.

maybe not more evil, though.

i still blame hip-hop.

I really don't see anything wrong with that either...

...obviously, assuming that he was totally fooled.

_________________________

at best he was partially fooled.

and made statements that would only be consistent with being fooled, after the jig was up.

i still blame hip-hop.

where he could be perpetuating the lie w/o being a total scumbag. Just a dumb jock who didn't want to admit he got played like shit..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

At 21 I would've known better. I'm probably dumber now than I was then

>At 21 I would've known better. I'm probably dumber now than I
>was then

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

Now I'm making terrible observations, leaps of logic....smh. Very sad

I haven't cared enough to sort out the timeline but I am guessing he was duped up to a point and then went in extra hard to cover up the hoax. I have seen this happen IRL, not the exact same situation but a couple very similar ones.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

there's just too much information

too many moving parts

for him not have been involved somehow

I hope the initial reporters at deadspin try to uncover some old interviews, etc...

that will at least implicate that he lied

the story does not end here

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

https://twitter.com/LennayKay?tw_i=265993595268509696&tw_p=tweetembed

Maybe this is just another hoax. But Jesus Christ, how can this story get any weirder if it's true?

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

i don't even know.

i still blame hip-hop.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

----
bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

Once he talks publicly about it, I feel like the "truth" will finally come out.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

----
bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

The one sure thing we know in all this is that Ronaiah's truth ain't reliable.

----------------------------------
I have a webcomic: www.watchthecomic.com

My webcomic has a page: www.facebook.com/watchyourheadcomic

That's simply a fact. He is on record lying.

If it IS a hoax, then this Ronaiah guy, who is clearly in cahoots with it somehow, could actually shed some light on the behind-the-scenes.

(Obviously this account is wildly unlikely to be this guy and is likely just some dick trying to be funny. But still.)

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

on twitter is completely normal for this.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

is there really a fuckin "normal for this?!"

i still blame hip-hop.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Granted, the conspiracy levels are starting to reach Truther status, but between the conflicting dates on the timeline for EVERYTHING (the car crash, the death, etc.) and this video, it's tough to see how he wasn't complicit from an earlier point.

He talks about his last letter from her coming before the Stanford game... which was a month after her "death."

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/01/did_manti_teo_contradict_timel.html

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

there's part of me that thinks he just wasn't smart enough to keep his timelines straight after he found out and started filling in details. and no one interviewing or writing about him wanted to be the asshole who said "ummmm... wait a second, what did you say???"

After this interview.

And he mentioned her in another interview with the Heisman media December 8th.

So it's not just that he's dumb. It can't be.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

>After this interview.
>
>And he mentioned her in another interview with the Heisman
>media December 8th.
>
>So it's not just that he's dumb. It can't be.

Oh yeah, I'm going on the assumption that he found out when she "died" or soon after. In that case he probably did receive that call/text and is using that as his "That's when I found out" excuse. Even though that admits that he lied, it would be a bit more understandable given how long it had gone on and the nature of the call.

I doubt he's gonna forget that date. Someone he actually loves *did* die. And he'd have to be a really shitty liar to forget they both happened at once.

So it's likely that he forgot what order he played who. Or he's lying. I dunno.

I need phone records and screenshots pronto.

----------------------------------
I have a webcomic: www.watchthecomic.com

My webcomic has a page: www.facebook.com/watchyourheadcomic

There's five different dates of death, and the order of death between the gf and grandmother was also inconsistent, but it seemed more like one media member getting it wrong and then others following suit rather than the Te'o family screwing it up.

him about his grandmother

which made it sound like they were communicating after his grandmother died

hard to do if they died on the same day

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

>him about his grandmother
>
>which made it sound like they were communicating after his
>grandmother died
>
>hard to do if they died on the same day
>
>

right, 6 hours is pretty brief, albeit not impossible. and it would certainly support the theory of his involvement as he would've realized he could get rid of the fake gf on the same day, milk the grief w/o people looking too much into the specifics, have a football game on the day of her funeral and say it was her wish that he play. but i'm more wondering where did the first report that the gf died before the grandmother come from? if the te'o family never said that (and i don't think they'd go through the trouble of correcting every little detail) then it's still possible he found out later.

within the timeline of events (rather than learning everything all at once, like we're doing) it makes perfect sense that his dying girlfriend would write him letters in advance for games she wouldn't live to see.

If you watch The Big C, when Kathy thought she was dying, she bought a whole storage locker full of future presents for her teenage son.

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

But since he's clearly lied about many things, it casts every slight discrepancy under a shadow of doubt.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

perfect description for this no matter what the truth is.

(unless the girl really did somehow exist and is now dead)

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

I can't watch these te'o interviews with him lying his ass off and not feeling at least mildly depressed

http://m.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2013/01/an-early-candidate-for-tweet-of-the-year-deadspin.html?mbid=social_twitter_gqmagazine
______________________
Young Jeezy- It's Tha World
Raekwon - Shaolin vs Wu-Tang
Obie Trice - Cheers

-----------------

www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

-------------------------
�The other dude after me didn�t help my case. It was just like�crazy nigga factory going on.�
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. �I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,� he says. �Never did.�-- Andre B

wasn't one of the knocks against ND being they had a high standard academically

that they had fallen from grace because the big time recruits couldn't meet the school's academic requirements

now we're suppose to believe he's been stricken with the stupids

c'mon

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

is not a direct correlation...

As RJCC said in another thread, "smart" people fall for the Wealthy Nigerian Businessman scam all the time. Or get catfished. It happens.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly believe at some point he knowingly started lying about this whole thing. The absolute latest was after her "death" when he started telling the press about how he'd met her and how she visited Hawaii (though I believe he was probably in on it earlier than that). But I can buy than when this whole thing first started, he was duped.

-----------------

www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

the star player on a historic college football program's return to greatness

is not thirsty

this isn't joe the mechanic being duped into thinking he's chatting online with Ms America

for 3 years?

the professional sports organizations all have rookie symposiums about possible pitfalls

like groupies, etc...

i'm sure somebody had that conversation with this kid long before this

shit, I got that talk in HS, and I never had aspirations of being a college athlete

let alone pro

nah, this all smells like bullshit

he can play dumb

but just like the initial bullshit story fell apart

this dumb defense will fall apart too

could you imagine being his father or friend, etc...

Hey Manti, you meet that chick yet

you know the one that you're in love with and we haven't met yet

even though you've known her for 3 years

c'mon

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

If he's serious about it, his pool of women is small as fuck.

As for the smart/dumb thing: Stephen Hawking stayed for years with a woman that chopped him up. Emotions are a great equalizer when it comes to assessing things intelligently.

Te'o wouldn't have to be dumb to fall for this. Just willing to run with his emotions.

Or he could be lying. I NEED ANSWERS!!

----------------------------------
I have a webcomic: www.watchthecomic.com

My webcomic has a page: www.facebook.com/watchyourheadcomic

so if they mentioned "groupies" and he's not really into that and is just looking for a relationship i can see it. although to your point i'd believe it more if he was a college freshman rather than a senior. even if you're naive and not heavily involved in the party culture or whatever, your world view is still bound to expand in those 4 years.

I'm using groupie as a general term for a woman trying to get something from him

based on his status as a potential NFL player

we're suppose to believe that this relationship got serious before the start of this year

I would think someone with his potential for an NFL career would proceed with caution

or at least, be advised to proceed with caution by those around him

especially if this was just a remote relationship

but can you imagine if this happened in the NFL

I would think his motive for publicity is easier to believe than being duped

why would someone perpetrating a hoax kill off the girl?

when he's on the verge of being multi after the draft

it would be so easy to just keep up the hoax

and extort him once he's in the NFL

hey Manti, I'm having trouble paying for my cancer treatment

could you spot me a mil or 2

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

I understand your point, but given how popular someone like him is it's pretty common to avoid public interactions if you're afraid people will take advantage of you. The people he was warned about may have showed up in his real life (and he may have only been warned about real life interactions), then he found something that seemed very genuine online, is somewhat embarrassed that it is an online relationship, and hides it from most people so there weren't many to point out warning signs. Given how religious his family is, they may have also been naive and trusting as well, so they might not recognize the warning signs.

I'm not saying this is the explanation that makes the most sense, that's probably the secretly gay and concocted the whole thing theory, but i think there's still a case to be made for the "being naive and then finding out later and using it to his advantage" theory.

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

right, but i'm saying if he was being conned i think he should have figured it out since then just because of having more life experience throughout college.

"Dude, you fucked that girl you've been texting?"
"Yup."

Easiest lie in the world! Guys do this one every day, lol.

That's why his parents talked about how he met her and such... cuz they probably believed it!

Unless the parents are in on it too, which would only make this whole story more awesome.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

...believed was true? That's outside the realm of possibility? Really?

Again, I don't necessarily believe that he was duped for the entire three years, though it is possible. It's not like he was talking her up to the media before she "died"; for most of three years, she could have been that girl he was in love with that he met through Twitter. But even if he figured it out/was in on it earlier, you can't say that it's not possible that he was fooled for at least a little while. A month, hell, even a year is possible.

-----------------

www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

Or Notre Dame's then you're gullible beyond belief. This is some obvious shit right here. He took it too far for anyone to buy this bullshit. Deadspin blew this shit open and he needs to just man up. It's so sick and ridiculous people almost don't wanna believe he did this. It's denial more than anything.

L K ‏@LennayKay
My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

i still blame hip-hop.

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

>L K ‏@LennayKay
>My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about,
>but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is
>not real.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.