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"So... Will Kobe haters/Bron stans penalize Bron the same way? "
Fri Jun-22-12 01:49 PM by lc ceo

          

You know, the whole "Kobe couldn't win without Shaq" and the "Kobe couldn't win without a top tier big man" nonsense?

I mean, Bron couldn't win without two all stars in their prime who were also top five picks in the same draft. Think about that for a second; it took the #1,4, and 5 picks in the 2003 draft, all All Stars, all Olympic gold medalists, on one team.

I mean, while fans of Lebron on this site knock Kobe left and right for needing quality team mates to win the big one, are they going to knock Lebron the same way? I think not. Highly, highly doubtful.

I know there will be a million angles and deflections and generally irrelevant rebuttals..... but I'm wondering if there aren't at least a few of you who have a newfound perspective after this win.

Oh, and before anyone throws out some nonsense about me hating on them joining up, I have no problems with that, never have, and I've never posted anything so much as implying that I do. That was the smart thing to do for all parties. I do, however, think it's highly hypocritical that one of the chief criticisms of Kobe I see around these parts is the fact that he had quality team mates while Lebron has a particular configuration Kobe's never had.

Three all stars in their prime years, each top 3 in their position?

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
CRY
Jun 22nd 2012
1
FIVE. Talk to me when your team gets ONE.
Jun 22nd 2012
6
      'team'?
Jun 22nd 2012
26
           Philly
Jun 22nd 2012
35
asking for consistency from this bunch?
Jun 22nd 2012
2
you forgot to log in as miamiheatman
Jun 22nd 2012
14
      lol, jabroni you KNOW who that is
Jun 22nd 2012
27
the funniest thing is seeing the flip flopping from cats like Barkley
Jun 22nd 2012
3
this isn't about Kobe today. Sorry.
Jun 22nd 2012
4
Learn to read before you post.
Jun 22nd 2012
11
How many Finals MVPs did Kobe have playing with Shaq?
Jun 22nd 2012
5
LMAO NIGGA, yo avy is exactly what i imagined vex to look like.
Jun 22nd 2012
7
LOL!
Jun 22nd 2012
10
      that crown looking real kangy, my dude.
Jun 22nd 2012
12
           lmaaaoooo
Jun 22nd 2012
15
Three all stars. Prime years. Top 5 picks in the same draft.
Jun 22nd 2012
8
      Wouldnt that make it harder for him to stand out as the clear MVP?
Jun 22nd 2012
9
           Which essentially renders that point arbitrary
Jun 22nd 2012
13
                RE: Which essentially renders that point arbitrary
Jun 22nd 2012
16
                The "Robin" tag was never accurate. He was on some Spidey shit
Jun 22nd 2012
19
                     same thing I argued in another post
Jun 22nd 2012
29
                          Word. Shaq didn't win shit until Kobe matured.
Jun 22nd 2012
34
                nope nvm not doin it
Jun 22nd 2012
18
Welp, you guys didn't disappoint.
Jun 22nd 2012
17
ARCHIVE
Jun 22nd 2012
20
this still aint the same as Kobe winning rings without Shaq
Jun 22nd 2012
21
Right. People said "He can't lead Cleveland to a ring" and he DIDN'T
Jun 22nd 2012
22
      Huh? What player could have led those bums to a ring?
Jun 22nd 2012
54
           A superstar that didn't need two top five picks from his draft clas..
Jun 24th 2012
73
                Informative as always! Regular-season win totals are for losers
Jun 24th 2012
82
                     Lebron has one chip not multiple like Pop/Phil
Jun 24th 2012
85
You know of course, they started this PBJ when Bron was in Cleveland
Jun 22nd 2012
23
excellent sig, but this is funnier
Jun 22nd 2012
25
      damn, the permanence of the Net is a motherfucker.
Jun 22nd 2012
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      ^^^^OH MY DAMN lmao
Jun 22nd 2012
42
           nigga said.... 'SEASON DON'T COUNT'
Jun 22nd 2012
43
In this comparison though Bron = Shaq Wade = Kobe
Jun 22nd 2012
24
EGG ZACK LEE
Jun 22nd 2012
28
There's no accurate comparison between the two
Jun 22nd 2012
31
      Shaq = Most dominant player in the NBA at the time
Jun 22nd 2012
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           Fixed it for you
Jun 22nd 2012
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                Kobe is not 2nd in the league dude.
Jun 22nd 2012
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                     To be fair, I think he meant during the Shaq years
Jun 24th 2012
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who are you again?
Jun 22nd 2012
30
you's a gotdamn lie
Jun 22nd 2012
32
nice deflection.
Jun 22nd 2012
33
      RE: nice deflection.
Jun 22nd 2012
36
           since a certain Mr. O'Neal was used as the measuring stick for Kobe
Jun 22nd 2012
37
           More deflections.
Jun 22nd 2012
44
Doesnt really matter who you're playing with
Jun 22nd 2012
39
More Mad, L_CEO
Jun 22nd 2012
40
More deflections, Bomb?
Jun 22nd 2012
45
      http://static.radio86.eu/sites/default/files/styles/web_full/public/self...
Jun 22nd 2012
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           Ironic considering I never click on those
Jun 22nd 2012
51
                that actually wasn't ironic at all, Alanis n/m
Jun 26th 2012
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                     Yo momma, bitch
Jun 26th 2012
117
Lol, cmon now, you know never to expect consistency from these dudes
Jun 22nd 2012
48
.
Jun 22nd 2012
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I'm taking the opportunity to point it out :)
Jun 22nd 2012
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      Fsho. IMO it's pretty clear to everyone, whether they admit or not
Jun 22nd 2012
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nevermind the fact that DWade is like it or not a HOF
Jun 22nd 2012
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yeah, this post is basically ether to the 'MVPau' argument
Jun 23rd 2012
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      lulz
Jun 24th 2012
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           LOL!!! You mad as SHIT!
Jun 24th 2012
71
                cry!
Jun 24th 2012
74
Bron didn't have a great big, he won MVP, was clearly best player on tea...
Jun 22nd 2012
53
So... You're still mad. Understandable, due to FIVE.! Cry.
Jun 22nd 2012
57
What player has won WITHOUT a couple other stars?
Jun 22nd 2012
56
and that's the POINT. Great ether for yourself and Bronstanbul though.
Jun 22nd 2012
59
      bunch of drivel, did Kobe or did Kobe not set a high bar for himself?
Jun 24th 2012
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           Keep on deflecting, Stanley. Happy Ether Day. Bye.
Jun 24th 2012
84
Dear Lakers Fans
Jun 23rd 2012
61
Dear Mr. I can't read
Jun 24th 2012
67
Nah, you clowns made it about Laker fans right around the time you
Jun 24th 2012
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      even in 'defeat' this whole reaction to it all has made me smile
Jun 24th 2012
69
           hahaha - he made Jay-Z cry.. ON THE RADIO!! - hahahaha!
Jun 24th 2012
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                a lot of people (in general) just aren't honest about the Kobe shit
Jun 24th 2012
76
This is so unnecessary Ic ceo
Jun 23rd 2012
62
since you're giving a history lesson
Jun 23rd 2012
63
No and I have no idea what this is supposed to even mean.
Jun 23rd 2012
64
Unnecessary? Sure. It's also a prime opportunity to put them on the spot...
Jun 25th 2012
106
Kobe was the help
Jun 23rd 2012
65
who wouldn't be 2nd option to a prime Shaq?
Jun 23rd 2012
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      http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120507/mj%20laugh.gif
Jun 24th 2012
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           If MJ wasn't the man on UNC w/ Worthy & Perkins
Jun 24th 2012
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                Did they win a ring with Kobe as a rookie?
Jun 24th 2012
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                MJs numbers his first 4 years. FYI.
Jun 24th 2012
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                     set dis bitch on fiya fiya fiya fiya fiya!
Jun 24th 2012
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                     Because they both came right out of high school
Jun 24th 2012
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                          Did you tell Kobe to skip college?
Jun 25th 2012
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                          Explain how that's relevant.
Jun 25th 2012
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                          uh, Bron came outta high school and didnt stink like Kobe did
Jun 26th 2012
120
                               Lebron came out and played on a team stocked at his position(s)?
Jun 26th 2012
122
                                    bottom line, Bron wuda started on that Lakers team..
Jun 26th 2012
124
                                         Bottom line, you don't know what you're talking about. At all..
Jun 26th 2012
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                     and he was a rookie playing w/ Shaq in his 5th year
Jun 24th 2012
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Every single champion led by a superstar...
Jun 24th 2012
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RE: Every single champion led by a superstar...
Jun 24th 2012
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      wack ass, #3 overall pick, 4 time all star, career 19/9 Pau Gasol
Jun 24th 2012
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That wouldn't make sense cuz Kobe was never better than Shaq
Jun 24th 2012
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why does the fact they were in the same draft class matter at all?
Jun 24th 2012
87
just another meaningless addition to his "point" that great teams ...
Jun 24th 2012
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      LOL@You snarking about the "point"and not getting the point at all
Jun 24th 2012
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           If I'm understanding correctly, your point is this:
Jun 24th 2012
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                You're not understanding correctly.
Jun 25th 2012
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                     if this many people misunderstand, you are not an effective communicator
Jun 25th 2012
110
                          No, the problem isn't on my end. It's your refusal to be reasonable
Jun 25th 2012
114
I don't get it. all champs need help
Jun 25th 2012
96
Slow down, Bynum wasnt top 3 anything at that time, Gasol is arguable...
Jun 25th 2012
112
uh these teams are not the same chief
Jun 25th 2012
113
2012 Wade is a gimpy shadow of 2006 Wade.
Jun 25th 2012
99
....and he's putting up like 22 points per game
Jun 25th 2012
101
Compare Bron's Game 7 this year to Kobe's in 2010 and kill yourself
Jun 25th 2012
104
      Ooooh, I got the patented "kill yourself". U MAD!!!! CRY!! GOO...
Jun 25th 2012
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that gimpy shadow was still dominant at times
Jun 25th 2012
107
      no one is calling Wade or Bosh the best at their positions
Jun 25th 2012
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           one thing i'll say is that bosh nutted up and played well in the series
Jun 25th 2012
109
           what are you talking about?
Jun 25th 2012
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                Revisionism to where Pau wasn't getting HIGH praise 08-10?
Jun 26th 2012
118
                     you said drooling dude.
Jun 26th 2012
119
                          The general media was
Jun 26th 2012
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                               And they weren't even talking about him until he came to LA
Jun 26th 2012
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                                    That's besides the point
Jun 26th 2012
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                                         It's actually THE point.
Jun 26th 2012
127
I blame that asshole Guinness
Jun 25th 2012
102
ANNNNNNNND.... PLAT
Jun 25th 2012
103
you already know why, we all do.
Jun 26th 2012
115

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1. "CRY"
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6. "FIVE. Talk to me when your team gets ONE. "
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26. "'team'? "
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35. "Philly "
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This Bron/Heat shit is some bandwagon shit

  

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2. "asking for consistency from this bunch? "
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3. "the funniest thing is seeing the flip flopping from cats like Barkley"
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he ripped Lebron to shreds when he signed with Miami, saying "you got to do it by yourself" and "he'll never be MJ now" ... and now after one ring Barkley comes out and says he's the next Jordan lol.

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4. "this isn't about Kobe today. Sorry."
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11. "Learn to read before you post. "
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Because this post is about the perception Lebron fans have, and whether or not they're willing to apply the same rules and logic they use to hate on a top ten-fifteen all time player to a guy who also has an embarrassment of riches.

  

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5. "How many Finals MVPs did Kobe have playing with Shaq?"
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7. "LMAO NIGGA, yo avy is exactly what i imagined vex to look like."
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8. "Three all stars. Prime years. Top 5 picks in the same draft. "
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When has Kobe had that luxury? He certainly didn't have it when he won two *sans* Shaq.

  

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9. "Wouldnt that make it harder for him to stand out as the clear MVP? "
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13. "Which essentially renders that point arbitrary"
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One of them has to get it.
At any rate, your just ducking the question all together.

Lebron has two all stars in their prime years, and they all got drafted the same year. So while you kock one guy for having the luxury of a dominant player at his side, you're really going to sit here and act like Lebron's own staggering riches are of no consequence by comparison? Considering one of those two guys got a ring before he got there, which you CAN'T say about Shaq before Kobe came of age.

So, how about you stop ducking the question and at least try to form a coherent rebuttal as opposed to this nonsensical drivel?

  

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16. "RE: Which essentially renders that point arbitrary"
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naw your argument is completely valid. Im just of the opinion that in those years Kobe was Robin to Shaqs Batman. Where as here Bron is Supes leading the Justice League. LOL But Im just a Kobe hater so my opinion dont really count.

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19. "The "Robin" tag was never accurate. He was on some Spidey shit "
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I mean... since we're going with the comic book analogy, kobe/Shaq was a lot more Spiderman/Hulk than anything resembling Batman/Robin. Spidey ain't the Hulk- I mean, who is?- but Spidey is one hell of a superhero in his own right.

  

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29. "same thing I argued in another post"
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Shaq alone is NOT winning those championships.

  

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34. "Word. Shaq didn't win shit until Kobe matured. "
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And Shaq had THREE other fucking all stars, with Kobe basically being analogous to James Harden at the time, as a *fourth* option, dropping 16 per...............off the bench.

Shaq couldn't win with 3 other all stars.

  

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17. "Welp, you guys didn't disappoint. "
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20. "ARCHIVE"
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>You know, the whole "Kobe couldn't win without Shaq" and the
>"Kobe couldn't win without a top tier big man" nonsense?
>
>I mean, Bron couldn't win without two all stars in their prime
>who were also top five picks in the same draft. Think about
>that for a second; it took the #1,4, and 5 picks in the 2003
>draft, all All Stars, all Olympic gold medalists, on one team.
>
>
>I mean, while fans of Lebron on this site knock Kobe left and
>right for needing quality team mates to win the big one, are
>they going to knock Lebron the same way? I think not. Highly,
>highly doubtful.
>
>I know there will be a million angles and deflections and
>generally irrelevant rebuttals..... but I'm wondering if there
>aren't at least a few of you who have a newfound perspective
>after this win.
>
>Oh, and before anyone throws out some nonsense about me hating
>on them joining up, I have no problems with that, never have,
>and I've never posted anything so much as implying that I do.
>That was the smart thing to do for all parties. I do, however,
>think it's highly hypocritical that one of the chief
>criticisms of Kobe I see around these parts is the fact that
>he had quality team mates while Lebron has a particular
>configuration Kobe's never had.
>
>Three all stars in their prime years, each top 3 in their
>position?

This is so accurate. That's why in terms of agenda none of Lebron's future rings count with the best players from the same draft class count. I'm talking purely agenda here. Once again, salute on bringing some sense to this once-in-a-lifetime event.

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21. "this still aint the same as Kobe winning rings without Shaq"
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the number of people who thought Kobe would never lead a team to a title was so high (people were saying this while Kobe was still playing with Shaq lol, before this nigga even had the opportunity to truly lead, people were saying he was incapable). plenty said the same about Lebron but nowhere near as many, ESPECIALLY when he took his talents to South Beach...i mean really, who said "he'll never win with Wade and Bosh!" people were hoping he didn't win, but majority saw the Big 3 winning at least one title together seeing as how they were all in their primes and all signed long term deals.

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22. "Right. People said "He can't lead Cleveland to a ring" and he DIDN'T"
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Game over.

  

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54. "Huh? What player could have led those bums to a ring?"
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The fact that he got them to the Finals is more of an upset than I can think of for any player recently, including Kidd powering a shitty Nets team to two straight Finals.

That 2007 team was really garbage, some of their later teams were average-ish supporting rosters, and he made them 65-win teams that won series.

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73. "A superstar that didn't need two top five picks from his draft clas.."
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>The fact that he got them to the Finals is more of an upset
>than I can think of for any player recently, including Kidd
>powering a shitty Nets team to two straight Finals.
>
>That 2007 team was really garbage, some of their later teams
>were average-ish supporting rosters, and he made them 65-win
>teams that won series.

The ironic thing is the Heat haven't won as more games than that Cavs squad "filled with bums". You'd think a team with three top five picks from the same draft class IN THEIR PRIME (c) Lebatard would average 70 wins a year.... Since it's that easy and those teams were filled with bums.

Lebron couldn't win a chip without two superstars from his draft class. He didn't just need help. The nigga needed the cheat code to enable god mode. Besides, he wasn't even a leader on the team that won a chip.

"I sleep with my clothes on cause even when I'm dreaming I'm going somewhere." (c) Stat Quo
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82. "Informative as always! Regular-season win totals are for losers"
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So I am hardly surprised at the importance you and the Cavs place on them, while dudes like LeBron, Phil and Popovich collect chips not really giving a fuck.

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85. "Lebron has one chip not multiple like Pop/Phil"
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>So I am hardly surprised at the importance you and the Cavs
>place on them, while dudes like LeBron, Phil and Popovich
>collect chips not really giving a fuck.

Real Heat fans claimed they would easily eclipse 66 wins in their first year together. If losers bring up regular season wins then what does that make you?

"That 2007 team was really garbage, some of their later teams were average-ish supporting rosters, and he made them 65-win teams that won series."

Also answer my initial question.

Lebron's not getting 5 chips and not sniffing Phil's ring total....



Unless he gets two more all-stars in or exiting their primes.

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23. "You know of course, they started this PBJ when Bron was in Cleveland"
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They used the (at that time) unprovable hypothetical of "Bron would be winning RING AFTER RING with Kobe's team", while he was on Cleveland and getting bounced, since he didn't play with another All-Star (outside of Mo Williams one year). So the mantra became "he needs help" as if there were no problems whatsoever with HIM.

So they were comfortable at taking shots at the throne because their boy had the fallback excuse of "he has no help, he's doing it all by himself" even though a team having back to back 60 win seasons takes more than just ONE good player.

So when the team of their wet dreams came together, they figured it was in the bag. Three top 10-15 players, two top 5 players. DEFINITELY more talent than Kobe OR MJ had at any point of their careers. Only things worked out a little differently:
http://ubnation.com/industry%20news/Dallas%20Mavericks%20Beat%20Overrated%20Miami%20Heat%20and%20Win%20First%20NBA%20Championship2.jpg

Now it's "you mad you mad" when they get called on their bullshit even though we're just playing their game.

I don't have ANY issues with Lebron at this point. I'm gonna flambe these scrotum hairs early and often.

But after he wins at least 2-3 more championships and they wanna talk that JORDAN shit, best BELIEVE I'm going to use his failures in the argument because it's part of the story.




  

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25. "excellent sig, but this is funnier"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=1857352&mesg_id=1857352&page=71#1857441

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41. "damn, the permanence of the Net is a motherfucker."
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42. "^^^^OH MY DAMN lmao"
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_____________
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43. "nigga said.... 'SEASON DON'T COUNT'"
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24. "In this comparison though Bron = Shaq Wade = Kobe"
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28. "EGG ZACK LEE"
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Nm

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31. "There's no accurate comparison between the two "
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Had Shaq, Rice, and Kobe all been drafted together the same year, had all been all stars in their prime at the exact same time? Or had Kobe been what he was in '00 when Nick and Eddie were both there in their Denver/Charollotte incarnations? Then yeah we could start drawing comparisons directly.

The two teams were constructed very differently, with the only real similarity being that both teams were very top heavy. ShaKobe is VERY different from Bron/Bosh/Wade.

Still, you're ducking the overall point. Does Bron get penalized for not winning until he got two All Stars in their prime years who got drafted the same year he did? Because he didn't win shit until that happened.

  

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38. "Shaq = Most dominant player in the NBA at the time"
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Bron = Most dominant player in the NBA at the time


Kobe = top 3 shooting guard in the league

Wade = top 3 shooting guard in the league





When you pass the ball, somehow your teammates benefit.


2012, Kobe is playing with the second most dominant Center in the league and a top 5 PF in the league and STILL doesn't pass the ball


















I'll say it, since you won't










Take Kobe off this years Lakers team and replace him with Bron and they would win a chip


Bynum, Gasol, Bron, Artest, Sessions

AND Bron is putting up Oscar Robertson type numbers with the post on LOCK and Barnes and co. roaming the perimeter for open looks


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47. "Fixed it for you"
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>Bron = Most dominant player in the NBA at the time
>
>
>Kobe = 2nd BEST PLAYER in the league

>
>Wade = top 3 shooting guard in the league
>
>
>


>Take Kobe off this years Lakers team and replace him with Bron
>and they would win a chip
>
>
>Bynum, Gasol, Bron, Artest, Sessions
FOH. Bron had TWO ALL STARS LAST YEAR AND LOST. Haven't you learned this game doesn't work that way?


  

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58. "Kobe is not 2nd in the league dude."
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Goblins Up, Goons Down.

  

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91. "To be fair, I think he meant during the Shaq years"
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*Jews you*

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Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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30. "who are you again?"
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Anyway, Shaq's impact FAR outweigh both Wade & Bosh's combined. thus, Kobe still had more help than Bron does. go cry now

  

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32. "you's a gotdamn lie"
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>
>Anyway, Shaq's impact FAR outweigh both Wade & Bosh's
>combined.

and you know it.

  

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33. "nice deflection. "
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Does Bron have two all stars in their prime, or does he not?

So that means he had considerable help.
So, somehow, that doesn't detract from him winning, but it detracts from Kobe winning?

  

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36. "RE: nice deflection. "
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>Does Bron have two all stars in their prime, or does he not?

WTF? when did being an all-star become a measuring stick??

fuckin Joe Johnson & LaMarcus Alridge are All-Stars. put those two in place of Wade & Bosh (similar players in size & skillset), and Bron still chips regardless. It was destined to be this year. again, go cry about it

  

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37. "since a certain Mr. O'Neal was used as the measuring stick for Kobe"
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>WTF? when did being an all-star become a measuring stick??

  

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44. "More deflections. "
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>WTF? when did being an all-star become a measuring stick??

LOL. Deflections.

>fuckin Joe Johnson & LaMarcus Alridge are All-Stars. put those
>two in place of Wade & Bosh (similar players in size &
>skillset), and Bron still chips regardless. It was destined to
>be this year. again, go cry about it

Deflections. This sounds a lot like "hell, give him Antawn Jamison, and it's a wrap!". At any rate, both of those guys are excellent players. You're too busy deflecting to answer the damn question.

He's got considerable help, yet somehow that's not an issue. When Kobe wins, somehow he's the only guy who gets penalized for having exceptional talent around him. Lebron has exceptional talent around him, starting with a guy who has a legit case for being one of the 5 greatest 2 guards ever.

And I'm not crying about anything- again, you're showing an inability to really discuss the merits of this in favor of this bullshit "go cry!" snark.

  

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39. "Doesnt really matter who you're playing with"
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When you have average 30/10/5.5 in the playoffs and 28/10/8 in the finals, you ARE the help.

Just like Kobe's 29/7/6 in '01. Cant really fuck with it. I'm surprised Laker fans give in to it so much really.

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40. "More Mad, L_CEO"
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45. "More deflections, Bomb? "
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Surely you can do better.

Your team still hasn't done shit worth discussing, so spare me the gloating. Heat fans can and should gloat, talk shit, celebrate, all that. But all you blatant hang arounds, bandwagon riders, defections from other nation states, and weed carrying entourage level stans? Not so much.

  

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46. "http://static.radio86.eu/sites/default/files/styles/web_full/public/self..."
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http://static.radio86.eu/sites/default/files/styles/web_full/public/selfimmolation.jpg

  

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51. "Ironic considering I never click on those"
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You're wasting your time sending me links I'm not clicking (and never have) and essentially telling me I'm setting myself on fire (i can read the link)? Okay, player!

  

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116. "that actually wasn't ironic at all, Alanis n/m"
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117. "Yo momma, bitch "
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I really got nothing for that one lol
In my defense the word is misused damn near every time it's used
That's all I got for that one

  

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48. "Lol, cmon now, you know never to expect consistency from these dudes"
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The inconsistency, selective attention, and hypocrisy have been proven over and over. This is just the latest chapter.

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<<<Sith Lord, Mitch Kupchak

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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50. "."
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___________________________________________________________________________
Skrillex.

  

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52. "I'm taking the opportunity to point it out :) "
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>The inconsistency, selective attention, and hypocrisy have
>been proven over and over. This is just the latest chapter.

That's the point of the post.

  

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55. "Fsho. IMO it's pretty clear to everyone, whether they admit or not"
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No amount of yelling or posting by these dudes can really change that

---------------------------------
<<<Sith Lord, Mitch Kupchak

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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49. "nevermind the fact that DWade is like it or not a HOF"
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and Pau probably is NOT.

but they SURE AS FUCK ain't gonna talk about THAT.

  

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60. "yeah, this post is basically ether to the 'MVPau' argument"
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which was bullshit goalpost moving to discredit Kobe anyway. Same people who cried about the deal that brought Pau to LA didn't say shit when the multi-year plan to seize on an upcoming free agency formed the superteam they wanted to see...

it's all bullshit. the team got assembled, who cares how it was done. Celtics did it, Bulls did it with the Rodman shit years ago, so on and so forth.

not only that, but you could easily make the Bosh = Pau argument for this Heat team, because they don't win the Boston series (or most likely the Finals) without him even contributing somewhat. next to Bron himself, it's easier to deal with the Heat w/o Bosh defensively.

Laker/Kobe fans are fine not having Kobe as a top 5 all time or the GOAT (which would be ridiculous if anyone said it outside of a trolling context); it's those who cling to the King who have a problem with their detractors not slobbering him. and certainly that's what this post is about. fuck the careers of these dudes, this is about the hypocrisy.

the kind of jabronis who argue "he had a top 5 relative to the league big who contributed greatly, thus he won" BS... FOH.

  

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70. "lulz"
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MVPau was better than mamba for several years, and WITHOUT QUESTION was superior during their second championship together. in fact, kobe was the best player on the lakers only once out of five times they won titles. so, no, you tearful clevelander, there's no comparison between MVPau and dwyane wade.

and there's no comparison between lebron and kobe. kobe is a comically overrated volume scorer who was blessed to play with an embarrassing wealth of talent and had the rampaging ego to corral himself the credit. lebron is the fucking truth.

  

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71. "LOL!!! You mad as SHIT! "
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Bottom line is that Shaq ain't winning a damn thing without that so-called "volume scorer" despite being the most dominant player in basketball at the time and your jack of all trades ain't winning without "help" and most importantly, his stopping his "running scared" act, which is what gained him all that acrimony in the first place.

so ... you can bring up how good Pau is, he ain't no more relevant to the Lakers success as Chris Bosh is to the Heat's. stats be damned.

tears can't fall when my eyes see nothing but bitches in the crosshairs.

  

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74. "cry!"
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53. "Bron didn't have a great big, he won MVP, was clearly best player on tea..."
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Since "the decision" he's come within two wins of a title and won a title.

Go snivel and bite your pillow, your thoughts are not needed now.

<<< Ben Revere's midnight WHOO-RIDE

  

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57. "So... You're still mad. Understandable, due to FIVE.! Cry. "
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LOL

Nobody here is sniveling but you, Stanley, as evidenced by that bullshit response.

It's just pathetic and sad that even when this dude wins you guys have to go to great lenths to make it seem like he won with nothing. He has an embarrassment of riches at his side, two guys who are among the best at their positions, in their prime years.

As far as no great big? HA!

Bosh is the third best player on that team, and statistically on par with Pau for the last two Lakers titles, while Wade is considerably better than anyone on that Lakers squad after Kobe and fairly close to Kobe.

Bron essentially won with guys who are just a shade below Kobe and Pau (and Pau/Bosh is arguable), meanwhile Kobe and Pau had nobody near Brons level when they won, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... I mean... Come on. This is preposterous of you to still hang onto this.

Thanks for playing, Stanley.

  

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56. "What player has won WITHOUT a couple other stars?"
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Pippen and Grant were All-Stars. Pippen and Rodman were All-Stars. Bird, DJ, McHale and the Chief were all HOF'ers. The Pistons had five guys who made the AS team at one point or another. In the '80s they had an all-star backcourt plus Rodman and good supporting guys. The Lakers had two top players and often a supporting cast of former stars or guys who were top players in their position/role.

I'm just not seeing an example of a guy who won a title with crap. Ever.

Kobe brought those expectations on himself, I think, by clearly wanting to be the No. 1 option despite the team's heap of success with him as a 1B/2. He then pissed and moaned about Bynum and asked for him to be traded, or at least very publicly second guessed the decision not to trade him.

Personally I haven't gone too hard on that, haven't been "MVPau"ing it up or any shit like that. He led that second group of teams, not in the same dominant fashion as Jordan or even James IMO, but he led them. So there's no knock about him not leading a team to a title, because that's what he did.

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59. "and that's the POINT. Great ether for yourself and Bronstanbul though. "
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>Pippen and Grant were All-Stars. Pippen and Rodman were
>All-Stars. Bird, DJ, McHale and the Chief were all HOF'ers.
>The Pistons had five guys who made the AS team at one point or
>another. In the '80s they had an all-star backcourt plus
>Rodman and good supporting guys. The Lakers had two top
>players and often a supporting cast of former stars or guys
>who were top players in their position/role.
>
>I'm just not seeing an example of a guy who won a title with
>crap. Ever.

Yes, that would be the point. No shit. In fact, that's precisely what myself and many other Lakers fans have been saying since fucking ever, and yet you guys still like to hide behind "oh but he had Shaq! He had Pau! He couldn't do it alone! HE NEEDED HELP!!!"

That was the criticism from your side of the fence, Stanley. And your post was precisely our defense.

>Kobe brought those expectations on himself, I think,
>clearly wanting to be the No. 1 option despite the team's heap
>of success with him as a 1B/2.

There's a damn laundry list of reasons why that was, aside from his ego, like being The Man at the end of all these games when Shaq was being pulled for being a liability, Shaq's well known penchant for lazy off seasons, playing into shape during the season, etc.

Still, what does this have to do with him being criticized for needing quality players around him when he won? NOTHING. It's a deflection, which Iverstania has perfected.

>He then pissed and moaned about
>Bynum and asked for him to be traded, or at least very
>publicly second guessed the decision not to trade him.

What does this have to do with him being criticized for needing (wanting) quality players around him when he won? NOTHING. It's a deflection, which Iverstania has perfected.

>Personally I haven't gone too hard on that, haven't been
>"MVPau"ing it up or any shit like that.

The clearly, this wasn't about you, was it, Hit Doggy Dogg? So you can go ahead and edit your previous smug, sarcastic response at any time and save the hit dog schtick for a time when it might actually apply to you.

>group of teams, not in the same dominant fashion as Jordan or
>even James IMO, but he led them. So there's no knock about him
>not leading a team to a title, because that's what he did.

Actually, there is, perhaps not from you, but it definitely exists.

  

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83. "bunch of drivel, did Kobe or did Kobe not set a high bar for himself?"
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through his own actions.

who set up their own ether here again?

bye.

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84. "Keep on deflecting, Stanley. Happy Ether Day. Bye. "
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61. "Dear Lakers Fans"
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this ain't about you

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67. "Dear Mr. I can't read"
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Learn to do so before you respond to another post. That is all.

  

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68. "Nah, you clowns made it about Laker fans right around the time you"
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tools started buying into all of the World Wide Leader's hype about LeBron, and their subsequent efforts to compare him to and pit him against Kobe every chance they got

So, ultimately, nigga please.

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69. "even in 'defeat' this whole reaction to it all has made me smile"
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people still mad as fuck over last year.

I realize we're dealing with those kind of "Nas Lost" Jay (St)ans who have to resort to bringing up his failures outside of the battle and prop up irrelvant shit like who Jay married and how many records he's sold overall to cover for the fact that this happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDDbEJAEIg

I mean, it's classic "YankeeCowboyLaker SuperFan" shit but in a new suit
bitches, the lot of them.

SPM's monkey ass ran for the hills when it looked like they would be embarrassed

Shells had that "jinx" post

Vex is going at niggas like a Jay-Hova Witness for not bowing to the King

and so many others are mad as fuck cause we got to party last year, never mind that party being a product of their hero's own making

I'll give them the last thing but everything else = bitch

even if they have biological vaginas, their shit been gaped wide open for a minute and filled with the finest granule sandbags you can find on the market

  

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75. "hahaha - he made Jay-Z cry.. ON THE RADIO!! - hahahaha!"
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Til this day Ether is still the greatest diss record ever because of Jay-Z's reaction..

On anotha note, man I never know Kobe made so many people mad. I mean, you can basically attribute this whole "rings are overrated, rings don't matter" argument to Kobe winning #4 & #5 w/o Shaq (or at least the recent revival of this argument). Yet, the same people yelled from the mountain top that Kobe hasn't won a ring w/o Shaq...

Man, Kobe hate is by far the most powerful force in the universe. Shit is stronger than Hulk elbow drops from the peak of a mountain top. - lololol


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76. "a lot of people (in general) just aren't honest about the Kobe shit"
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like:

if you dislike him because he's overrated (by his fans and others)
if you dislike him because he's a Laker (and you hate the Lakers)
if you dislike him because he's "corny", "has no friends", etc.
if you dislike him because he was accused of rape

or whatever combination of the above or shit I can't come up with...

fine. no one says you have to LIKE Kobe

but admit the shit and be honest and CONSISTENT about it, and don't get mad at cats who don't give two fucks about your chosen "hero"

and definitely don't go around holding dudes to standards you can't hold your chosen "hero" to, cause you'll be fried on that

bunch of dancing around the issue-ass jabronis then got the nerve to get mad at people who demand an answer for their hypocrisy

Kobe is (until the last few years with the veil off dude's extracurriculars) a much more "hate-able" character than Michael Jordan overall.

Yet, I hate Jordan for "The Shot", for breaking the NBA in general, for having the fashion sense of a blind bilge rat, and a ton of shit way more than I hate Kobe. I have never have changed on that stance for over 20 years. but can you hate on a dude who brought a team that never won shit 6 championships over 2 3-peats over some basketball shit? were people going around, "well, if he ain't have Poopen and Rodman and all them dudes..."

NO.

these dudes just need to sit back, let this ring cook and realize this Kobe shit is manufactured bullshit and a farce.

  

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62. "This is so unnecessary Ic ceo"
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There are a shitload of archive posts showing their hypocrisy it's not even worth it. Plus, how they choose to view basketball shouldn't keep you from poo pooing James' game. It took me a while myself. But these dudes will never admit they switched the fuck up. The same dudes trying to equate the Heat to the Lakers and make Kobe out to be Horry will turn around and argue that Wade's second ring puts him on Kobe's level.

*blink*

The same dudes that argue Shaq won those rings with nobody will say Hakeem and/or Duncan were better

*blink*

This war, which should have never been about Bron (or AI for that matter), ended years ago with 81, 3 more finals appearances, 2 rings and Finals MVPs, and an MVP. Most of this happening past his athletic zenith.

  

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63. "since you're giving a history lesson"
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did any Kobestans jump on the Bron needs help soapbox?




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64. "No and I have no idea what this is supposed to even mean. "
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106. "Unnecessary? Sure. It's also a prime opportunity to put them on the spot..."
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It's rather entertaining to watch them scramble, if I do say so myself. Concrete Charlie, as an example, is doing a fine job taking shark bites like an overzealous, insecure zealot. He's responding like a home schooled Christian teenager from Louisiana would if you tell him dinosaurs were real. Sure, it's not necessary, but it's damn sure fun to watch.

  

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65. "Kobe was the help"
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Not Shaq

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66. "who wouldn't be 2nd option to a prime Shaq?"
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you could argue Shaq at his best is the single most dominant force to ever step on the court. it really doesn't matter who his teammate was, the offense would've ran through him regardless.

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77. "http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120507/mj%20laugh.gif"
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http://imageftw.com/uploads/20120507/mj%20laugh.gif

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78. "If MJ wasn't the man on UNC w/ Worthy & Perkins"
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How was he gonna be the man as rookie coming into the league playing w/ Shaq in his 5th year? - lolololololol


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79. "Did they win a ring with Kobe as a rookie?"
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lolololololololololololololololololololol

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80. "MJs numbers his first 4 years. FYI."
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#per_game::none

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1984-85 21 CHI NBA 82 82 38.3 10.2 19.8 .515 0.1 0.6 .173 7.7 9.1 .845 2.0 4.5 6.5 5.9 2.4 0.8 3.5 3.5 28.2
1985-86 22 CHI NBA 18 7 25.1 8.3 18.2 .457 0.2 1.0 .167 5.8 6.9 .840 1.3 2.3 3.6 2.9 2.1 1.2 2.5 2.6 22.7
1986-87 23 CHI NBA 82 82 40.0 13.4 27.8 .482 0.1 0.8 .182 10.2 11.9 .857 2.0 3.2 5.2 4.6 2.9 1.5 3.3 2.9 37.1
1987-88 24 CHI NBA 82 82 40.4 13.0 24.4 .535 0.1 0.6 .132 8.8 10.5 .841 1.7 3.8 5.5 5.9 3.2 1.6 3.1 3.3 35.0

LOLOLOLOL

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88. "set dis bitch on fiya fiya fiya fiya fiya!"
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nm

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94. "Because they both came right out of high school"
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Behind a well established starter who was one of the better players at his position on both ends of the floor.

You know good and well how absurd that 4 year comparison is before we even get to Shaq, which further shits on that laughable "point".

  

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97. "Did you tell Kobe to skip college?"
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Cuz I didn't.

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100. "Explain how that's relevant. "
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Because it isn't.

You're comparing the two situations as though they're similar, but they aren't in the least. Playing the "well that was his choice" card doesn't make it a relevant comparison, it just makes you happy because you think you found a "gotcha!". The truth is it's a deflection and nothing more.

  

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120. "uh, Bron came outta high school and didnt stink like Kobe did"
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so whats your defense for kobe now?

  

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122. "Lebron came out and played on a team stocked at his position(s)? "
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Psssst.... Kobe came in backing up Eddie and Nick and Ceballos (I realize he was traded, don't even try it son), the three positions he played. On a team expected to contend for a title. Playing for Del Harris. Who didn't even fucking WANT the high school kid. Yeah, a guard fresh out of high school isn't going to get much tick on a team like that.

So, I mean, there's a laundry list of reasons why the two situations couldn't be more different, and until you're willing to be objective and look at the massive differences at play, then you'll never provide anything even resembling a valid, credible point.

Oh, and Kobe didn't "stink". 8 ppg in limited minutes off the bench as a guard coming out of high school? LOL. That's hardly "stink".

  

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124. "bottom line, Bron wuda started on that Lakers team.."
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as a rookie AND dominated! even with Eddy, Nick or Cebalos already there. he was that good from jump!

same cant be said about Mamba tho. took him 3-4 yrs of apprenticeship under "mid-level" talent before finally breaking thru. smh

Bron within that same 3-4 yrs time frame was Rookie of the Year, singlehandedly carried a bum ass team to the Finals, and was league MVP.

you can go hang yourself now

  

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126. "Bottom line, you don't know what you're talking about. At all.."
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>as a rookie AND dominated! even with Eddy, Nick or Cebalos
>already there. he was that good from jump!

lolyoulol

That team was deep as fuck with a starting 5 that all averaged double figures. That team, with the addition of Shaq, was expected to compete for a title. No fucking way Del starts Bron or gives him THAT much more minutes than he gave Kobe. Title expectations were high and realistic, and there's no way Del was going with an 18 year old rookie over established veterans. That's just the way it was. MAYBE Lebron gains minutes once Horry shows up, but not much.

Clearly Lebron was far more nba ready at 18 than Kobe. You can have that debate all you want, but when you say stupid shit like he would have started and dominated, you have to ignore shit like FACTS surrounding that Laker team and really stretch just to reach that conclusion, and you just sound stupid.

>same cant be said about Mamba tho. took him 3-4 yrs of
>apprenticeship under "mid-level" talent before finally
>breaking thru. smh

LOLyouandthe"whatif"gameLOL

Once again, you have to run with the "if....." argument to make your point. When you have to lean on so many hypotheticals to make your point, it's a sign the argument is not all that strong on it's own.

>Bron within that same 3-4 yrs time frame was Rookie of the
>Year, singlehandedly carried a bum ass team to the Finals, and
>was league MVP.

Cool. IF IF IF IF IF Kobe went to a fucking basement level team with no star power, it's likely his numbers would have been a LOT better. IF. You know, IF.

See, that shit works both ways, but a low IQ , tunnel vision having zealot like yourself is incapable of looking at multiple angles. Would he have had Bron numbers? doubtful, but his rookie season would certainly look more spectacular on a shit team without a coach who abhorred the idea of coaching a high school kid, with free reign offesively. You can't even fix yourself to provide a well rounded perspective.

>you can go hang yourself now

Ah, this. Cool. When you develop decent discussion skills and then get back to me. Until then, I'll respond to all your posts to me with suggestions on how you can kill yourself and perhaps an unkind word about your mother or two, because that's your level.

  

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92. "and he was a rookie playing w/ Shaq in his 5th year"
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he wouldn't be doing none of that shit. - lol

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72. "Every single champion led by a superstar..."
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surrounded that superstar with other superstars or all stars.

Anyone who makes those arguments knows nothing about basketball.

There's never really been a championship team led by a superstar surrounded by scrubs and role players. Doesnt happen in the NBA. The only one close to that was the 94 Rockets.

  

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81. "RE: Every single champion led by a superstar..."
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Except Kobe won 2 rings with wack ass Gasol who's not even a star at all tbh.

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90. "wack ass, #3 overall pick, 4 time all star, career 19/9 Pau Gasol"
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most teams would love to have a guy that wack be their second best player

*Jews you*

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86. "That wouldn't make sense cuz Kobe was never better than Shaq"
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when he and Shaq were winning titles. Kobe was never finals MVP in any of those years or league mvp. He wasn't the best player on the Lakers period then. So it's not the same situation as Lebron's current situation.

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87. "why does the fact they were in the same draft class matter at all?"
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If Bron was drafted in 2003 and Wade and Bosh went in 2004, would it somehow be different?

*Jews you*

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89. "just another meaningless addition to his "point" that great teams ..."
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win titles.

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93. "LOL@You snarking about the "point"and not getting the point at all "
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Which, of course, was entirely expected by you and yours

Thus far, you're the only one who sat there and truly played dumb with a completely straight face. Makes me wonder if you're even playing, which makes it that much worse for yourself.

  

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95. "If I'm understanding correctly, your point is this:"
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When Kobe won his first three chips, people said they didn't count, because he had Shaq.

Therefore, those same people should logically saying Bron's title doesn't count, because he has Bosh and Wade.

If that's correct, my question still stands - what difference does it make in either direction that all three Heat players are from the same draft class?

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98. "You're not understanding correctly. "
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>Therefore, those same people should logically saying Bron's
>title doesn't count, because he has Bosh and Wade.

No. Therfore, these people should see- and admit- the idiocy of said stance. CC has already done so, he just played dumb while he did it.

>If that's correct, my question still stands - what difference
>does it make in either direction that all three Heat players
>are from the same draft class?

Why?

Because they came into the league the same year. Each was certified as The Man on their team before going Voltron. It's more or less the first time THAT specific situation has ever happened.

Should we discount Lebron for having those two guys? HELL NO. Of course not.

The point is, Kobe is the ONLY guy people play that bullshit card with, and now that Bron has won with considerable help, what with all three guys being in their prime and not being buried behind one another. Being in the same draft class is absolutely relevant.

So, Lebron has help, and he shouldn't be penalized for it. Neither should Kobe. My point was simply to point out the blatant hypocracy at work.

  

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110. "if this many people misunderstand, you are not an effective communicator"
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cmon son.

again, kobe was a guy in the first three titles that could have been replaced. not EASILY, but yes, by a handful of guys.

on no team that bron has competed on at any level outside of international play (2004 USA team) could he have been replaced.

kobe LED the lakers on their second run, but in between he showed that he was mortal. the actual comparison that was destroyed by kobe's lameness and resurgence when he got the best frontcourt in the NBA was not kobe vs bron, but kobe vs jordan. his legacy does not compare to JORDAN'S and that is what people have said. jordan is singular in that he did not need anything close to a dominant big man (all due respect to Horace Grant and the Worm but cmon) to win a chip, let alone SIX of them.

not being jordan is hardly a huge insult, yet people like you and LB's finest buy out all the kleenex and tampax in costco over it. i could not explain why.

lebron never moaned or whined, he just went about his business. he made it clear that he wanted other stars and a better situation. so has every other player that's ever played without one.

the one kinda sorta exception to that is kobe. he wanted to do things a particular that featured him and made him the man. so yes, he did set up a separate expectations for him and if people want to hold him to a higher standard, i don't blame them.

to me, he is a star like any other star. he was not going to magically make a team a champion. the lakers did a shrewd job building around him and deserve a ton of credit. he did his part, too. but i don't think you can say he is being singled out UNFAIRLY as you are here or that you can use the lebron situation as a way of proving that.

i don't expect you to understand that because you, my friend, are a stan. a kobestan, a kobestani, the sort of zealots who would hurt people if they themselves were not constantly butthurt and trying to tear the legacy of everyone from michael jordan and oscar robertson to pau gasol and lamar odom to prop up their man.

on the other hand, i don't even give a shit about lebron. i was rooting for the fucking thunder!

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114. "No, the problem isn't on my end. It's your refusal to be reasonable"
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So if you don't mind, I'm going to speak to you in a way even your inbred ass can understand, dipshit.

>again, kobe was a guy in the first three titles that could
>have been replaced. not EASILY, but yes, by a handful of guys.

This is a bullshit argument based on a lot of what ifs.

Shaq could have been replaced too, you know that right?

You do realize he didn't win shit until Kobe matured and Phil showed up, right?

You do realize that Kobe- a lesser version than the one who won with Shaq, mind you- won with Pau, a considerably lesser version of Shaq.

SO, I mean.... put Kobe and KG together, since we're playing the what if game. That shit would've beasted a few titles, possibly even three, especially with Phil in the mix. After all, a lesser Kobe won with a guy who, at his best, can't even approach KG at his peak. Or CWebb, for that matter.

But again... This is a lot of what ifs, and you need a lot of caveats to really make this one stick, you fucking dolt. This is a pretty shitty argument to get around the fact that Shaq and Kobe together won three straight, something Showtime, 80's Celtics, Pistons, etc couldn't do. It's a rare feat. Shaq was like 8 years in and it wasn't til Bean came into his own that Shaq won. those are fucking FACTS, not what ifs. Not deflections. FUCKING FACTS.

>on no team that bron has competed on at any level outside of
>international play (2004 USA team) could he have been
>replaced.

What the fuck does this have to do with trying to downgrade Kobe's rings because he had Shaq on his team?

>kobe LED the lakers on their second run, but in between he
>showed that he was mortal. the actual comparison that was
>destroyed by kobe's lameness and resurgence when he got the
>best frontcourt in the NBA was not kobe vs bron, but kobe vs
>jordan.

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH DOWNGRADING KOBE'S RINGS FOR PLAYING WITH SHAQ? Bunch of fucking deflections. Kill yourself, pussy. You bore me.

>his legacy does not compare to JORDAN'S and that is
>what people have said. jordan is singular in that he did not
>need anything close to a dominant big man (all due respect to
>Horace Grant and the Worm but cmon) to win a chip, let alone
>SIX of them.

Rodman was a fucking defensive monster and insane rebounder, like 16-17 per through the threepeat. Like, you know, shit that nobody else was doing or has done sense. Kind of remarkable. He's a HOF level player who proved greatness can be had with defense, hustle, and rebounding. Fuck out of here trying to downgrade Rodman. He ain't Shaq but lets be reasonable you fucking moron. I hope somebody curb stomps you, you fucking idiot.

>not being jordan is hardly a huge insult, yet people like you
>and LB's finest buy out all the kleenex and tampax in costco
>over it. i could not explain why.

Yes, so please, stop being a fucking jackass with this nonsensical deflection. Goddamn you really should have wound up on a kleenex or your mothers chin.

>lebron never moaned or whined, he just went about his
>business. he made it clear that he wanted other stars and a
>better situation. so has every other player that's ever played
>without one.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH DOWNGRADING KOBE'S RINGS FOR PLAYING WITH A GREAT PLAYER?

>the one kinda sorta exception to that is kobe. he wanted to do
>things a particular that featured him and made him the man. so
>yes, he did set up a separate expectations for him and if
>people want to hold him to a higher standard, i don't blame
>them.

HUH? He set up a separate expectation? You dumb fuck, shut the fuck up. This is the worst fucking argument imaginable. Oh, and he fucking delivered on that shit two. So fuck you and your shit for brains argument.

>but i don't think you can say he is being singled
>out UNFAIRLY as you are here or that you can use the lebron
>situation as a way of proving that.

LOL. YES, IT IS UNFAIR. Because... again, you fucking moron, like your stupid ass already said, everyone who wins does so with other great players, with scant few exceptions. This whole bullshit of "well he wanted to win as the man" is retarded, because he fucking proved that the threepeat wasn't a fluke with a repeat. He fucking validated the first three BIG TIME and your stupid ass is to stubborn to let go of that shit.

>i don't expect you to understand that because you, my friend,
>are a stan. a kobestan, a kobestani, the sort of zealots who
>would hurt people if they themselves were not constantly
>butthurt and trying to tear the legacy of everyone from
>michael jordan and oscar robertson to pau gasol and lamar odom
>to prop up their man.

zzzzzzzzz

LOL the "legacy" of Pau and Lamar is "Thank god we got to play with Kobe". Pau's "legacy" was 3 straight round one sweeps.

Anyhow, thanks for playing. It's been fun. I've decided that, for you and you alone, I'm going to speak to you in your language. So if you're game to go twenty rounds of me parroting the hilarious little temper tantrum you had earlier, feel free to respond bitch.

  

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96. "I don't get it. all champs need help"
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Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, Fish led by Phil Jax.
Bron, Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Battier led by Spo.

Bron needed help to win, Kobe needed help to win. Pau was a top 3 PF at that time, Bynum was a top 3 C. I don't see much of an argument about both rosters being stacked with top flight talent in the lead positions.

I don't see why anyone would penalize Beany or Bron. The truth is, YOU NEED SEVERAL TOP NOTCH PLAYERS TO WIN A SHIP. That's not agenda, it's just real.

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112. "Slow down, Bynum wasnt top 3 anything at that time, Gasol is arguable..."
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>Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, Fish led by Phil Jax.
>Bron, Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Battier led by Spo.
>
>Bron needed help to win, Kobe needed help to win. Pau was a
>top 3 PF at that time, Bynum was a top 3 C. I don't see much
>of an argument about both rosters being stacked with top
>flight talent in the lead positions.
>
>I don't see why anyone would penalize Beany or Bron. The
>truth is, YOU NEED SEVERAL TOP NOTCH PLAYERS TO WIN A SHIP.
>That's not agenda, it's just real.

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113. "uh these teams are not the same chief"
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>Pau, Bynum, Odom, Fish led by Phil Jax.
>Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Battier led by Spo.

that 2nd lineup has a hall of fame 2 guard and a perennial all star, the other lineup has one all star who, before joining up with kobe, experienced no playoff success whatsoever.

and i know your memory aint that bad, that was a young bynum that hadn't developed yet, partly because he was always hurt, and lol @ listing Odumb, just because we were winning titles doesn't mean Lamar was playing consistent ball, he didn't do that until last season.

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99. "2012 Wade is a gimpy shadow of 2006 Wade. "
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And so I can't take the rest of this argument
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101. "....and he's putting up like 22 points per game "
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with Bosh putting up 18.

Boy, those two sure aren't much help!!

Granted, I'm simplifying here, but you're simple minded, and I write for my audience after all

  

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104. "Compare Bron's Game 7 this year to Kobe's in 2010 and kill yourself"
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We're stocked up on Lakers stans with dumb opinions, assclown.

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105. "Ooooh, I got the patented &quot;kill yourself&quot;. U MAD!!!! CRY!! GOO..."
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I bet you grabbed your dick and yelled "swag!" after you wrote that bullshit. How precious

Somehow, the assertion that Wade's still a damn good player to have at Lebrons side pissed your bitch ass off enough to want me to kill myself. Wowsers, what a bonus.

Naturally that came with a completely irrelevant deflection (really, wtf do the two game seven performances of Kobe and Lebron have to do with Wade being a good player?)

>We're stocked up on Lakers stans with dumb opinions,
>assclown.

Oooooh even more aggressive bile from a dime-a-dozen tough talking pussy sitting behind a computer screen because.... well who the fuck really knows.

I said Lebron has some pretty good players at his side.

That prompted you to tell me to kill myself and call me an ass clown. For point out that the third best player on the team is putting up 18 ppg, while Wade still drops 22..... that's literally all I said... and for that I should die?

Well, unless you count the "simple minded" part, which, I mean, if your reading comprehension skills are so low that you were unable to ascertain that I was talking to OE in response to a rather dismissive statement of his own, well... You might want to seek some counseling, because there's no way on earth that should place you in such a white-knuckled, eye bulging fury as to wish suicide upon me. That's disturbing and unhealthy, to say the least.

Baer minimum? It just shows that you're nothing more than a cliched internet forum douchebag. Either way, you've done plenty to showcase the inherent bitchassedness of the Lebronon/Kobe Hate Brigade camp here on OKS.

You may now write your predictable ass "I ain't reading all that" response, or a jpeg, or some other canned, bullshit internet retort you're itching to break out like it was a stroke of genius.

  

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107. "that gimpy shadow was still dominant at times"
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only a handful of players in basketball can duplicate that 5/6 game tear Wade had in the playoffs. at one point him and lebron were on some shaq and kobe scoring 90% of the offense type shit.

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108. "no one is calling Wade or Bosh the best at their positions"
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the way people were drooling over Gasol during that back to back championships run. Just saying...

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109. "one thing i'll say is that bosh nutted up and played well in the series"
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it was about as aggressive and big as i've seen him play. not as good as pau in the three laker runs (one west title, two chips) but good.

wade had his moments.

then again, what's being overlooked here was that there were games during this playoff where miami literally played SIX guys double-digit minutes. this was one of the shallower champions of all time. the 1975 warriors or 77 blazers they ain't.

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111. "what are you talking about?"
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>the way people were drooling over Gasol during that back to
>back championships run.

Pau averaged 18 and 10 in the 09 playoffs, 19 and 11 in 2010 - both were about the same as his reg. season averages. nobody was calling him the best anything.

this nigga said drooling over pau gasol lmao.

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118. "Revisionism to where Pau wasn't getting HIGH praise 08-10?"
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119. "you said drooling dude."
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lol.

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121. "The general media was"
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It was annoying to watch the Lakers and hear the slobbering over Gasol during that time. All them dudes on sports blogs, ESPN, ABC, and TNT were calling Pau the best power forward in the game and praising him to the 10th degree. I call it drooling

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123. "And they weren't even talking about him until he came to LA"
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125. "That's besides the point"
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I mean all I'm really getting at is that Pau was a HUGE difference maker and was praised. Kobe without Shaq and without Pau - His teams were no better than any other good wingmen star teams. That's a fact. They wren't that good. Pau comes, the Lakers go from missing the playoffs and barely being a playoff team to being a championship contender for years. Just like that. So to try to downgrade Pau's impact in any way is downright silly.

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127. "It's actually THE point. "
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>I mean all I'm really getting at is that Pau was a HUGE
>difference maker and was praised.

Cool, and people forget the lakers were doing pretty well before Bynum went down. Everyone acts like Pau joined the Smush Parker/Jumaine Jones incarnation of the team and they went from last to first. They were like .667 or some shit before Bynum went down.

>Kobe without Shaq and
>without Pau - His teams were no better than any other good
>wingmen star teams. That's a fact. They wren't that good.


Stop dancing around the FACT and tell the truth: it was a star without a second star. Just say that, ok? Be HONEST about this shit and say "Kobe without help did worse than Kobe with help". In other words, "water is wet, and great players still need other great players to win, but I'm a hater and honestly only Kobe shuold be expected to win with schtizo ass Lamar Odom as his second best player".

>comes, the Lakers go from missing the playoffs and barely
>being a playoff team to being a championship contender for
>years. Just like that. So to try to downgrade Pau's impact in
>any way is downright silly.

Nobody is downgrading his impact. It's called keeping a balanced perspective. You should try it some time.

  

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102. "I blame that asshole Guinness "
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103. "ANNNNNNNND.... PLAT"
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Thanks for playin, folks!
You can now leave this dose of reality and return back to your agenda factories to continue to concoct outlandish reasons to discount great players. My work here is done.

  

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115. "you already know why, we all do. "
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the batman/robin thing. It's a weak argument, but both sides of the conflict have used it.
In 3 peat years: Shaq = batman, Kobe = robin
In b2b years: Kobe = batman, Pau/Bynum = robin(s)

Kobean was the youngster in those years so yes, he was definitely the lesser in this equation. Kobestans should not care about that because their hero still got 3 rings out of the deal and became a superstar in the process.

people ran the batman/robin = wade/bron joke into the ground because of the decision and as revenge for the Kobe argument. It has since been refuted by Bron's play.

I personally don't give much credence to the batman/robin dynamic in this situation. Rings are rings. period. It's fun for us to crap on their accomplishments, but it's ultimately throwing rocks at mountains.

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