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Binlahab
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"jcc jr v. andy lee on HBO...who ya wit"


  

          

i think andy lee is abt to house this kid. there goes the mexican super fight

  

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I like Lee in this fight as well, but feel JCC might cheat lol
Jun 16th 2012
1
L train
Jun 17th 2012
16
also - we got Adamek v. Chambers on NBC! Bryant Jennings too
Jun 16th 2012
2
B. Jennings is impressive
Jun 16th 2012
3
      cotdamn Jenning's threw a vicious upper cut - staggered collins
Jun 16th 2012
4
           was a very nice, sneaky shot right thru the middle.
Jun 16th 2012
5
                yeah Jennings should've took him out
Jun 16th 2012
6
andy lee with the upset tonight imo
Jun 16th 2012
7
JCC Jr couldn't give up the urine pre-fight
Jun 16th 2012
8
i really hope he's clean, I'm very suspicious though.
Jun 17th 2012
18
      I hope so too
Jun 17th 2012
20
Chavez be throwing some crazy body shots
Jun 16th 2012
9
he destroyed him in the later rounds, Lee had nothing on his punches
Jun 16th 2012
11
ive got to give it up to chavez
Jun 16th 2012
10
great performance. expected it of course.
Jun 16th 2012
12
canelo wants no parts of that. and i'm not sure serg does either
Jun 16th 2012
13
f'real, I think he's too big for sergio.
Jun 17th 2012
17
Sergio done talked too much shit to back out now.
Jun 18th 2012
36
Sergio begs to differ (swipe)
Jun 19th 2012
39
      Works for me!
Jun 19th 2012
40
Chavez be going to the body like a video game
Jun 16th 2012
14
haha, with the green-wireframe dude, sunk a few quarters in that one
Jun 16th 2012
15
thats what his dad was known for...i stand corrected then a mug
Jun 17th 2012
19
FWIW here's my post-fight take on Adamek-Chambers
Jun 17th 2012
21
been a big fan of Lee for years now
Jun 17th 2012
22
Watched this fight again
Jun 17th 2012
23
i would LOVE for jcc jr to destroy martinez bitch ass nm
Jun 17th 2012
24
Chavez looked great, but they really need to weigh these guys....
Jun 17th 2012
25
JCC Jr looked big and walked through everything
Jun 17th 2012
26
i think IF JCC jr was on something....
Jun 17th 2012
27
      I respect your view
Jun 17th 2012
28
           I have my suspicions about JCC - it doesn't help his case
Jun 17th 2012
29
           What was his reasoning?
Jun 17th 2012
30
           he was unable to provide a sample, didn't refuse
Jun 17th 2012
31
           LOL
Jun 17th 2012
32
                yea i knew when typing that it wasn't much of a defense
Jun 17th 2012
34
           after the Rubio fight he "disappeared" and didn't provide a sample
Jun 17th 2012
33
                didnt know about the dissapearance
Jun 17th 2012
35
           Emanuel Steward Agrees with you (swipe)
Jun 19th 2012
38
           wow didn't realize Lee was up on the cards
Jun 19th 2012
41
           What did you think of the stoppage? Premature?
Jun 19th 2012
42
                naw Lee was about to get hurt
Jun 19th 2012
46
           58-54 for Lee...WTF?
Jun 19th 2012
43
                lol yea wtf.... woulda been fun to see it go the distance
Jun 19th 2012
44
           Rafael says JCC did provide pre-fight sample
Jun 19th 2012
45
           Jr.'s also tested positive for banned substances before.
Jun 18th 2012
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1. "I like Lee in this fight as well, but feel JCC might cheat lol"
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whether he's juicing or the judges are fixed - my confidence level
in a fair fight tonight is small.

That said, if all things are even - I got Lee.

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16. "L train"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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2. "also - we got Adamek v. Chambers on NBC! Bryant Jennings too"
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turning out to be a pretty dope night of fights.

Adamek v. Chambers could be good.

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3. "B. Jennings is impressive "
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could bring excitement back to Heavy Weights

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4. "cotdamn Jenning's threw a vicious upper cut - staggered collins"
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5. "was a very nice, sneaky shot right thru the middle."
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would've liked to see him press the action more after he had his man hurt,
but he's got some good power.

Reminds me of a young Rahman.

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6. "yeah Jennings should've took him out"
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he's a rising prospect

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7. "andy lee with the upset tonight imo"
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8. "JCC Jr couldn't give up the urine pre-fight"
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Shit is doomed from the start



With that said, I like JCC Jr.....hopefully he isn't doping

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18. "i really hope he's clean, I'm very suspicious though."
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they are the organs. The organs
must play Harmonic again in the
Orchestra of the Organic Organism.

(c) Innerstanding

www.astralquest.com
http://bit.ly/K71yjf

#TruSparta x #Innerstanding

  

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20. "I hope so too"
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He was walking through some good shots from Lee


He seems to be improving from fight to fight though. The way he operates on the inside is scary good. I just hope he he's clean man.

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9. "Chavez be throwing some crazy body shots"
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11. "he destroyed him in the later rounds, Lee had nothing on his punches"
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and Chavez was just taking the body like crazy plus keeping him against the ropes or in corners then taking a precise head shot or two thrown in.

weird thing is early Chavez still connected on bigger punches but Lee looked like he had a shot if he'd kept the jab going & stayed in the middle of the ring, guess that was easier said then done but JCC kinda okeydoked him into a brawl by clowning him. Once that happened (I think it was round 4) Lee fully fought JCC's fight & got rolled.

JCC is *big* man, that kid looks like a light heavy out there.

And with this performance, I'm ceremoniously removing Bin from my sig after a long week.

  

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10. "ive got to give it up to chavez"
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hes gone from someone who was really seen as getting a name because of his dad, but hes gotten better and better.

I dont think hes ever gonna be an elite A level fighter, but he's a solid B to B+ level fighter that will beat all these gatekeeper guys like Lee.

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12. "great performance. expected it of course. "
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the hate for chavez jr is unwarranted. can't wait for
the martinez fight. I think he has a good shot to win.

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13. "canelo wants no parts of that. and i'm not sure serg does either"
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freddie roach has completely transformed him as a fighter

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17. "f'real, I think he's too big for sergio."
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dude was 180 again tonight.

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36. "Sergio done talked too much shit to back out now."
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Lou Dibella's always talkin about how Bute and Ward are too big for Sergio to fight. now he's about to put him in with a light heavyweight.

  

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39. "Sergio begs to differ (swipe)"
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SERGIO MARTINEZ: "I WILL DEFINITELY SHUT HIS MOUTH...THIS FIGHT WILL NOT GO THE DISTANCE"

June 18, 2012

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article12671.html

"He did excellent work; he has improved tremendously. I really believe it was his best fight and he's turned from a boy into a man. I'm very happy that he's worked that way. He will definitely be ready for September 15. It'll be a true fight, a tough fight, but with the same results as I've always said....now he can talk, but on September 15, he will see who is not so happy to be called an old man. I will definitely shut his mouth...I will do the work like I always do, to do my best and improve myself in every fight. However, this fight will not go the distance," stated middleweight king Sergio Martinez, who talked about his highly-anticipated September 15 showdown with WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Check it out!

MJ: Tell us Sergio, what did you think of Saturday night's performance by Chavez? Do you think he is improving as much as the HBO announcers say, or do you think they're overconfident?

SM: He did excellent work; he has improved tremendously. I really believe it was his best fight and he's turned from a boy into a man. I'm very happy that he's worked that way. He will definitely be ready for September 15. It'll be a true fight, a tough fight, but with the same results as I've always said.

MJ: Andy Lee said it would be a tough fight for you because of Chavez's size.

SM: He's definitely the bigger man; very strong. It's an advantage he has being a big 160-pound fighter against a small 160 middleweight.

MJ: What's the situation as far as the fight getting made? We've heard September 15 is the date. Is it official for September 15? Where are negotiations at this point?

SM: That's correct. It's September 15. Everything is fine. There is nothing to worry about when a champion wants to fight the best and the best wants to fight a champion. The money was not an issue in this case. I've never had a problem with this. Everything is set and done. It's not about only the money, it's about the title and integrity, which is not common enough in boxing.

MJ: Wonderful news! Is everything good to go with Top Rank and DiBella?

SM: Absolutely no problem whatsoever.

MJ: How does it feel to headline your first pay-per-view?

SM: It comes at the right time, at the best time of my life and career. I'm happy that everything is falling into place.

MJ: Has everything been worked out as far as ring size and glove choice?

SM: These are the only things missing. I'll be requesting 20 X 20, but I think that is mandatory in Vegas. It will not be an issue. The gloves will not be an issue. I will use Reyes and he can use whatever, but I will request that he weighs the gloves, because we want to be sure the company he uses really has ten ounce gloves. In the past , there were issues with gloves being weighed a few fractions of an ounce too heavy or too light, not exactly ten ounces.

MJ: Are you going to ask for drug testing?

SM: No, it's not necessary. I believe that Chavez is a good sport and I'm not worried about it. We don't need any other tests besides the Nevada tests.

MJ: Do you know anything about the undercard?

SM: Not yet, but I'm sure it will be a tremendous undercard.

MJ: Will there be a 24/7 with this fight?

SM: I don't know. It will be up to the promoters. I don't know if there is enough time to do it, but I need to be focused on my training camp.

MJ: How much does this fight mean to you?

SM: This will be the most important fight of my life because I want to recover my title from the best boxing organization worldwide, the WBC.

MJ: This fight has been a long time in the making. You've been so patient with the WBC.

SM: Well, we trust Jose Sulaiman and he has come through. I personally thank him for this.

MJ: Freddie Roach made a comment that this might be Chavez's last fight at 160. I didn't know if you had heard that or if Freddie Roach had misspoken?

SM: I have no clue. The only thing I can tell you is we've had communication from Lou DiBella that it's a done deal defending his title.

MJ: What do think will happen with the Canelo Alvarez/Victor Ortiz fight scheduled for the same night? Do you think one of you will move, or will it be competing pay-per-views?

SM: I trust my promoter and I know it will be September 15. However, if Canelo makes an issue out of it, I'll go down to 154 and knock him out too.

MJ: Does this mean a Canelo fight is on your radar next?

SM: If everything goes well with Jr., I plan to go down to 154 next and go after Canelo.

MJ: Would Canelo be your choice even ahead of Mayweather?

SM: Mayweather is the biggest thing for my career because he is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I want to fight the best and the best by far is Mayweather.

MJ: After his win on Saturday, Chavez made the comment that he was going to knock you out and shut your mouth.

SM: Good, now he can talk, but on September 15, he will see who is not so happy to be called an old man. I will definitely shut his mouth.

MJ: With all of these bad decisions that have been happening lately, is there more pressure for you to go for the knockout?

SM: I will do the work like I always do, to do my best and improve myself in every fight. However, this fight will not go the distance.

MJ: Is there anything else you'd like to tell your fans on FightHype.com?

SM: This will end up being the Fight of the Year and I will win. Hopefully the fans can appreciate the improvement of both fighters. I expect the people will support me because I will do my best to give a great show to the fans.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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40. "Works for me! "
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14. "Chavez be going to the body like a video game"
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It's kinda amazing. As if in his head he's playing the old arcade Punch-Out. "Body blow! Body blow! Body blow!"

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15. "haha, with the green-wireframe dude, sunk a few quarters in that one"
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19. "thats what his dad was known for...i stand corrected then a mug"
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hes legit

  

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21. "FWIW here's my post-fight take on Adamek-Chambers"
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http://www.maxboxing.com/news/promo-lead/a-tepid-victory-for-polska

And a story on Chambers, from Friday:
http://www.maxboxing.com/news/sub-lead/the-chubby-kid-from-pittsburgh

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22. "been a big fan of Lee for years now"
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expected big things outta him, but he's just not good enough to be at the top level

  

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23. "Watched this fight again"
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JCC Jr almost looked TOO good.

He fought so well on the inside. Exchanged from all angles. Threw vicious body shots and chased them with choppy hooks and upper cuts. Freddie got this kid looking good


Praying that his sample comes back clean


JCC Jr vs Martinez should be a war if their chins hold up

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24. "i would LOVE for jcc jr to destroy martinez bitch ass nm"
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do or die

  

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25. "Chavez looked great, but they really need to weigh these guys...."
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on fight night instead of the day before. He's just too fuckin big to be fighting at 160. I've always had a problem with guys blowing up on fight night and having such a size advantage, so it's not just him.

To me, that's the one thing that will keep Martinez from whooping his monkey-ass, and I think he (Chavez) knows that, which is why he was poppin so much shit in the post-fight interview.

Not sure what exactly he weighted though. If he wasn't blown up, then shit, maybe he's just that fuckin good. I'm curious though.

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26. "JCC Jr looked big and walked through everything"
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I think he was on something

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27. "i think IF JCC jr was on something...."
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he would be a lot better than he is now. he's definitely good and improving. but he has no jab, and he's not that fast.

chavez wants to fight like his dad, vs a tall guy with a long reach.

and blowing up after the weigh in is not always a great idea. especially for a fight with martinez who is a lot faster than chavez (see pacquiao vs margarito).

chavez is just a big dude who can drain himself down to 160.

as a freshman in high school on several occasions i would drop 13-15 lbs in a week to get to my competition weight for wrestling. then i'd go pig out like a motherfucker. not the most inteligent idea. but whatever.

anyhow, to your point, i would disagree. i don't think he's on anything illegal.

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28. "I respect your view"
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I'm no expert on the sport or conditions of a fighter I'm just a casual fan, that was just a thought. I do appreciate the input though

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29. "I have my suspicions about JCC - it doesn't help his case"
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that he refused to submit a urine sample for his last fight against Rubio,
and now there's more controversy as he didn't submit a sample prior to
his fight v. Lee.

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30. "What was his reasoning?"
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31. "he was unable to provide a sample, didn't refuse"
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dehydration

  

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32. "LOL"
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do you work for Top Rank?

lol @ 'i'm unable to piss' being a legitimate explanation


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34. "yea i knew when typing that it wasn't much of a defense"
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i only said it cuz that's how Lampley phrased it

but JCCjr has made big weight cuts just before fights and that does make it hard to piss.

shld be able to piss at 180 after the fight tho

  

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33. "after the Rubio fight he "disappeared" and didn't provide a sample"
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Before Lee he "couldn't provide a sample" either.

Texas.

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35. "didnt know about the dissapearance"
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it was before this fight that he was 'unable' right? did he provide one after?

  

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38. "Emanuel Steward Agrees with you (swipe)"
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EMANUEL STEWARD CONCERNED ABOUT CHAVEZ JR. DRUG TEST FOR LEE FIGHT

June 18, 2012

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article12678.html

Andy Lee, Irish Kronk middleweight fighter put on a brave performance in his WBC world title challenge against champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr on Saturday night at the Sun Bowl Stadium, El Paso, Texas.

Lee to his credit went to the champion's backyard with 20,000 Mexican cheering for Chavez Jr. at the Sun Bowl Stadium a long way from Limerick, Ireland. He prepared meticulously for the fight and did everything that was asked of him to promote the fight. He showed courage and heart and did his utmost and best in the fight.

Lee was ahead of all 3 judges' scorecards (58-54) at the end of the 6th round before the referee Laurence Cole intervened and stopped the fight 2.21 minutes into the 7th round after a sustained barrage of punches were inflicted on the Irishman by Chavez Jr.

In the aftermath of the fight Emanuel Steward has expressed he is very concerned about whether the fight was a level playing field for both fighters to compete in. Chavez Jr. neglected to give a mandatory urine sample when he successfully defended his title against Marco Antonio Rubio in Texas in February this year.

Team Lee have now requested confirmation and clarity from Dick Cole, the Texas State Athletic Commissioner on whether Chavez Jr. carried out an anti-doping drug test on Saturday evening and what the results are. Furthermore Emanuel Steward has a meeting with Senator John McCain, instigator of the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act on July 10 and one of the items on the agenda is enhanced performance drugs being used in professional boxing.

Emanuel Steward commented 'Andy Lee is like a son to me, I always look after all my fighters' health and wellbeing. I am very concerned about enhanced performance drugs being used by boxers. This is not tennis or golf; boxing is a physical combat sport where if drugs are used by one fighter then this is a disadvantage against the other fighter and causes serious damage to a fighter's health. Are we going to wait for someone to be killed in the ring before this matter is taken seriously and dealt with?"

"I am taking this matter about the fight on Saturday evening very seriously and I am waiting on the Texas Commission to clarify the situation before considering any appropraite action. I am not putting Andy Lee or any of my fighters' lives at risk in life and death fights and then everyone pretends this is the honourable noble art of the sport of boxing. Good people in boxing need to stand up and speak out for what is right and stop these fighters, promoters and commissions doing whatever they like because they have money, power and muscle."

Drugs and bad judging is killing the sport of boxing in the United States. The fans are turned off; they love the sport but not the business of boxing. What type of role models and heroes are professional boxers and world champions using drugs providing to young kids in the gym starting their amateur careers? Parents and Youth and Community workers are trying to steer their kids away from drugs.

Steward also expressed concerns about Chavez ballooning in fights from 160lb on the day of the weigh-in to 180lb come fight night and the weight advantage he then has against his opponents. Another issue was why Chavez Jr. was complaining about leg cramps after the fight.

Most observers thought the size of the ring was a joke, it was not a world championship ring, and it was more like a training ring for young amateur kids at the local recreation center. All of this weighted to Chavez Jr advantage.

Andy Lee took defeat on the chin, and like the true Irishman that he is he will pick up the pieces of his shattered dream and life will go on, tomorrow is another day. There's an old saying 'that victory isn't defined by wins and losses; it's defined by effort.' Andy Lee performance was not short of effort.

As Theodore Roosevelt also once said 'It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

Andy Lee was the fighter in the boxing arena, who has tasted and knows victory and defeat and on Saturday night he failed while daring greatly in trying to win a world title and realise his dream and you cannot ask for any more of a fighter.

  

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41. "wow didn't realize Lee was up on the cards"
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i wasn't really judging this round to round like a major fight
kind of just *watching*
and it seemed like Chavez was winning easily
maybe because he was walking thru everything and stalking

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42. "What did you think of the stoppage? Premature?"
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"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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46. "naw Lee was about to get hurt"
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43. "58-54 for Lee...WTF?"
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I had him in the 1st round

and then JCC Jr was hunting him

I thought he was winning rounds off of the body shots alone

the left hook couldn't miss

WTF are these judges scoring

Andy Lee's flailing jabs in an attempt to keep JCC Jr off of him

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-chavez-ko-7-lee/

I guess so

JCC Jr threw 11 jabs HAHAHAHAHAHA

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44. "lol yea wtf.... woulda been fun to see it go the distance"
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then andy lee winning on the cards if the fight had continued at that trajectory.

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45. "Rafael says JCC did provide pre-fight sample"
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37. "Jr.'s also tested positive for banned substances before. "
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'09 i believe. it was some sort of diuretic, which i've heard some say is only used for losing weight and others have told me it's used as some kind of steroid/PED.

i really hope he's clean, BUT... there are a lot of reasons to be suspicious about Jr.

  

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