"Anybody watch the fight a second time?" Tue Jun-12-12 07:59 PM by El_essence
I initially thought this was a horrible decision. But what made curious to watch it again wasn't the two judges who favored Bradley. It was the one had Pac. That judge had it mad close too.
So on second viewing, I had both guys winning 5 clear rounds:
Bradley had 1,2 10,11,12 Pac had 3, 4, 5, 6 and 9
7 & 8 were toss ups IMO.
7 had a lot of exchanges that, for the most part, Bradley was either getting the better of or at a stalemate. The last exchange at the 30 sec mark was the one Pac got the better of the two.
8 was the opposite in action very little going. Hard to judge.
Neither round I could say was clearly won.
The few things that are clear in this fight:
Compubox is some fuckin bullshit
HBO crew is some fuckin bullshit. The amount punches Pac threw that missed and these guys nutted on themselves over was outrageous
Despite me giving Bradley 5 rounds, he didn't hurt Pac AT ALL. which played into my opinion watching it live
Pac still won this fight. As champ, I'd give him one or both of those toss up rounds. But a) he didn't win by much and b) didn't start taking control until after Bradley fucked his foot up. And even then, Bradley looked like the better pure boxer late.
1. "So how much they paying you?" In response to Reply # 0
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4. "I did & I came to a different conclusion after a 2nd viewing..." In response to Reply # 0 Tue Jun-12-12 08:51 PM by LegacyNS
>I initially thought this was a horrible decision. But what >made curious to watch it again wasn't the two judges who >favored Bradley. It was the one had Pac. That judge had it mad >close too. > >So on second viewing, I had both guys winning 5 clear rounds: > >Bradley had 1,2 10,11,12 >Pac had 3, 4, 5, 6 and 9 > >7 & 8 were toss ups IMO. > >7 had a lot of exchanges that, for the most part, Bradley was >either getting the better of or at a stalemate. The last >exchange at the 30 sec mark was the one Pac got the better of >the two. > >8 was the opposite in action very little going. Hard to judge. > > >Neither round I could say was clearly won.
I had 3 rounds for Bradley, 3 for Pac & 3 tied thru 9 w/ Bradley winning the last 3. I could see any of the 3 rounds I had tied going either way...
>The few things that are clear in this fight: > >Compubox is some fuckin bullshit
Amen... they're watching the fight just like the judges at ringside & aren't necessarily any more accurate.
>HBO crew is some fuckin bullshit. The amount punches Pac threw >that missed and these guys nutted on themselves over was >outrageous
Amen again... And they gushed when Pacquiao landed punches many of which were nowhere near as effective as they would have you believe..
>Despite me giving Bradley 5 rounds, he didn't hurt Pac AT ALL. >which played into my opinion watching it live
He didn't but I thought he controlled the fight most rounds. Pacquiao tried to steal a lot of rounds w/ late flurries but the fact is he didn't get started until 30-90 seconds elapsed in most rounds..
>Pac still won this fight. As champ, I'd give him one or both >of those toss up rounds. But a) he didn't win by much and b) >didn't start taking control until after Bradley fucked his >foot up. And even then, Bradley looked like the better pure >boxer late. > >Pac 7-5 or draw > >Bad decision. But not a robbery > > That's a fair outcome. I can see how someone could score it for Pac. I scored it for Bradley after a 2nd viewing. However, I think the point is that it was nowhere near the "robbery" that people think it was or that I even thought it was initially watching it. If you thought Bradley was controlling the fight from the outside you might be prone to give him a decision. If you think Manny's late flurries gave him a lot rounds then you'd score it for Manny. There's a lot of room for a close decision for either guy or a draw. It all depends on how you viewed the action.
11. "see I thought Pac won the 9th clearly lol. Dan Rafael had Bradley" In response to Reply # 7
winning the 3rd like you did. I didn't see it. But hey. Good fight. The bigger issue is HBO completely overdid with how the fight was going. There were rounds where they are sitting their talking about Pac dominating the fight while Bradley is winning the round. lol
16. "how would anyone SHOW where he landed 190 punches?" In response to Reply # 7
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14. "I did notice the HBO guys going off on some misses" In response to Reply # 0
And then ignoring when Bradley would hit him.
And it was a given that if they ever traded shots, they'd talk up Manny and miss Bradley. I was surprised when Lederman gave Manny round 1; that was the quintisential trying to steal a round. Bradley did most of the work and Manny landed three blows late in the round.
15. "watched in on a non english stream. had it 7-5 pacquiao" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jun-13-12 01:41 AM by V3rb
upon first viewing, or a draw. I'm baffled by people acting like it was a blowout. Pacquiao fought awfully and took most of the rounds off before throwing flurries that varied in success.
Bradley did well to keep on fighting and punching even if his punches had little effect. He did land a good amount of body shots that were ignored. Landed some good shots to the head as the rounds went along. Thought rd. 9 was his best rd. I watched the hbo version just to see if they would comment on the work Bradley was doing. NOPE. I went to each round I thought bradley fought pretty well and it was the same exact thing. no matter how many punches manny missed or that barely hit bradley's glove, Lampley would go ape shit.
31. "yes - and i had the same score upon further review" In response to Reply # 19
but what makes this post worse - is that if you're giving Bradley those rounds (which I think is ridiculous) - you're basically saying that his jab (which was his best punch in the fight) was more effective than Pac's straight left-hands and power shots.
It's not that just that here was a glaring advantage to Pacquiao in terms of aggressive punching and punches landed - it's that the people (you and the 2 other people out of thousands who scored it tight or for Bradley) want us to believe that Bradley's jabs should be scored on par or even w/ more emphasis than Pac's power shots.
36. "RE: done. exactly." In response to Reply # 35
what round was it when they showed how many power punches were landed while the round was going on...and it was like 34 to 9...after the fight i realized they were scoring it like golf lol
45. "RE: yes - and i had the same score upon further review" In response to Reply # 31
>but what makes this post worse - is that if you're giving >Bradley those rounds (which I think is ridiculous) - you're >basically >saying that his jab (which was his best punch in the fight) >was more >effective than Pac's straight left-hands and power shots.
Not at all. I'm saying he landed more as was the busier fighter in those rounds. I don't think Pac was hurt by anything Bradley hit him with. Most of the rounds I gave Bradley were given away by Pac.
>It's not that just that here was a glaring advantage to >Pacquiao in terms of >aggressive punching and punches landed - it's that the people >(you >and the 2 other people out of thousands who scored it tight or >for Bradley) want >us to believe that Bradley's jabs should be scored on par or >even w/ more >emphasis than Pac's power shots. > >it's absurd.
I don't think Pac was all that aggressive in the last 3 rounds or the 1st. The 2nd I'm not against giving to Pac. I don't think the decision was right at all. I don't even disagree with it being considered set up by Arum. I just simply think Bradley won more rounds than I originally thought. No agenda. I'm not even looking forward to a rematch. I think Pac destroys him.
23. "did you read what I wrote?" In response to Reply # 18
I gave him the 7th and 8th.
I don't think he won any of the last 3 rounds. But 8-4 isn't much different than 7-5
I'm not suggesting the decision was right by any means. Just that my own personal opinion of the fight changed from landslide domination to Pac had to Bradley winning more rounds than I had initially expected.
43. "well there's no way he lost to bradley. the most charitable" In response to Reply # 29 Thu Jun-14-12 09:10 AM by V3rb
would've been a draw. but 8-4 or 7-5 to manny seems right. I actually wanna rewatch Pacquiao-Marquez 2 because I scored that fight to manny by 1 point.
44. "base. you gotta give shit like this a couple weeks or months before" In response to Reply # 41
you revisit it ppl just went from being influenced by hbo and the initial reaction to being influenced by the new need to give bradley the benefit of the doubt while watching
48. "Pac won, however he didn't make a statement in this fight" In response to Reply # 0
and in truth he really didn't have to, however the fix was in, for whatever reason. however having said that this is still not the greatest travesty in a ring.
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Bradley's elusiveness...he will never get credit for it, even though it's probably the one thing most responsible for him being a P4P fighter.
And to be honest, I gave Pac 10 rounds when I watched the fight, but this really makes me feel like I was swayed by the HBO team and the crowd's reactions...because I remember giving Pacquiao credit for a *bunch* of those missing lefts that Lampley emphatically credited to Pacquiao and that the crowd "ooh"ed. I mean to be fair to them, with some of the punches Bradley looked like he was getting touched because of how he rolled with it, but some of the announcer/crowd reactions were just egregiously biased.
I haven't gone back and rescored--def might still score for Pac--but I feel like I didn't give Bradley enough credit for how competitive he was, especially on a bum foot.
65. "you can literally do this every fight. " In response to Reply # 51
and dude himself said the video is not about who won the fight because that's obvious not surprised announcers are miscalling lighting quick punches in real time not when both dudes threw awkward flurries all fight *shrug* bradley is one of those bhop 'hard to look good against him' type fighters and manny is not the most accurate puncher both of those things should have been known going in
if there's going to be a compilation of clips, it needs to be of all of the hits from each fighter. of course it's going to look bad with Lampley's biased commentary and only showing Pac misses and the hardest shots that Bradley landed.
i rewatched the fight on mute, sans Lampley's nuthuggery, and felt i scored liberally for Bradley and still had it 8-4.
55. "finally got around to seeing it Saturday while waiting for JCCJr's fight" In response to Reply # 0
I can't say I was even compelled to watch closely enough to score it after the early going when I was hearing Lampley hype up Manny punches that weren't even landing (even re-referencing that corny 'BAM' shit from the Clottey fight on stuff that was grazing shoulders & elbows).
Obviously Bradley never hurt Manny so it's tough to make an argument that he 'won' the fight but goddamn those HBO cats overreact to what Manny's doing & Manny looked like shit anyway plus has gotten the benefit of the doubt for the Marquez fight.
63. "For sure the announcers and crowd make it look worse than it was" In response to Reply # 0
Bradley was more efficient but didn't have a ton of pop. Pac missed a lot of punches that he caught praise for and the crowd reacted to every little dinky shit move he made.
I'm not an expert on scoring but I thought 8-4 or 7-5 Pac was the move.
I only watched the replay, did not see it live.
I like to see how fighters finish the fight, I liked what I saw out of Bradley in round 11 most of all.
Dunno, tough decision to go against Pac but not the robbery it was made out to be. It rarely is though.
In the aftermath of the fight, WBO president Francisco "Paco" Valcarcel, whose organization sanctioned the title match, said he would have five judges review the video of the bout. On Wednesday, the results of that review were released. The five judges, whom Valcarcel said are accomplished judges with world title experience -- but whose names were not disclosed -- scored the fight for Pacquiao, 118-110, 117-111, 117-111, 116-112 and 115-113.
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