------------------------- “The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.” Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B
14. "It's probably Xylocaine...but it's still more proof" In response to Reply # 0 Thu May-31-12 12:22 AM by TRENDone
than the accusations made against Manny. Y'all tag-teaming, circle-jerking Mayweather fans can't admit that this is more proof than Manny's "head getting bigger," "walking thru Cotto's punches," or not taking a test he doesn't have to.
then again, Floyd's about to go away for a short while and american media is just doing it's thing...
15. "Can't say I'd respect him anymore if he did...." In response to Reply # 0
However, let's be clear that Xylocaine does not "enhance" performance...it relieves pain..
I repeat: Xylocaine is not a PED.
No boxer worth anything will purposely numb their hands to the point of not feeling anything at all. That is a recipe to destroy the very things you ply your trade with. You can do far more damage not being able to feel your hands than you would when you are able to recognize pain.
Pain tells you to stop...that something is wrong.
As far as PED use.....this still doesn't diminish the larger issue of what appears to be rampant PED use in the sport.
18. "F U Pacquaio's gonna whoop Timothy Hardaway's ass" In response to Reply # 17
And shine this summer while Floyd gets lazy in jail doing decks of push-ups eating casserole & cocktail fruit...Fuck Beiber, Manny walking to the ring with 2Pac Hologram WATCH!
23. "RE: when he beat manny...you BET not come back to this board. " In response to Reply # 17
>you gonna be tryna talk about other shit and i'mma reply to >all of it with shit about manny gettin his ass whupped.
^^^^Yup.
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
30. "Oh look at me I'm so right!" In response to Reply # 23 Fri Jun-01-12 03:25 PM by TRENDone
I've been saying whats been public knowledge all along! Arum is scum!! Im a steroid expert that didnt know USADA vs WADA or that Pacauiao wasnt a US citizen, Wahhhhhh!
Well steroid expert I've been saying it all along abt The Mayweathers' BS steroids claims. Floyd's in bed w the folks at USADA and that email to Montoya proves it.
Floyd ain't on a-side meth, Xylocaine is a PED but isn't on USADA's banned substances list. Facts.
LoL like the Olympics ain't corrupt...ask John Carlos...ask USA Basketball...
32. "it actually does enhance your performance" In response to Reply # 15
because its relieving you of pain....
thats like saying it would be okay if in the corner when someone gets hurt they are injected with whatever to relieve them of pain for the next round...
reliving you of pain whether its before or during the fight is the same thing. its helping you STAY in the fight. It's not natural.
34. "I see your point but....." In response to Reply # 32
It does not make you a better fighter
Numbing pain does not enhance a debilitating effect...it *relieves* it... All pain is not good pain...and while I see your point of the substance keeping you in a fight it does not clear or enhance a debilitating symptom
PEDs *CHANGE* your body to make it perform better than you would naturally whether its:
more stamina more strength sharper response time optimal processing of oxygen...etc... shorter healing/recovery time etc...
Do you think you can train harder with jacked up hands on xylocaine or using a steroid regimen when you are for all intents and purposes 100% healthy...
You know the answer to this.
Keep 'em coming though... I hear you....but unless you have healthy hands and are using something to numb them...you can't necessarily punch harder... You would do more damage to them if you can't tell that something is wrong and that is counterproductive.
I need to know more though.. This is exactly why we discuss this. If you got info bring it in here. I respect other opinions and always want to hear the facts.. So far though...I can't quite reconcile this...
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
35. "dude u trolling right now. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID U PUNCH HARDER." In response to Reply # 34
smh.
stop making up points for me that i never said just so you can look right.
dude. it helps him in fights, it doesn't help him hit harder, it doesn't make him faster, it doesn't make him stronger. but it helps him get through the fight. its something he injects into his hands to help numb pain. theres is no debating that. he said it himself. anyone who takes it takes it for that reason. we might as well start numbing faces for people who can get knocked out easy if its proven to make your chin better lol c'mon.
i get WHY he did it. they are his tools i totally get that. Ima designer and i fi have to eventually do that to get through the day i would do that (my hand was pretty fucked up) to make money so be it. But u can't deny the fact that IN boxing this should be up for debate whether we should let fighters do it because it does numb the pain for them. They banned super glue or whatever shit to put on cuts right? You have to agree that this has to be up for debate at the least.
>RE: dude u trolling right now. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID U PUNCH HARDER. >smh. > >stop making up points for me that i never said just so you can >look right.
^^^Would he be able to punch harder with pain or not?
Where did I explicitly say that you said he would/can punch harder?
>dude. it helps him in fights, it doesn't help him hit harder, >it doesn't make him faster, it doesn't make him stronger. but >it helps him get through the fight. its something he injects >into his hands to help numb pain. theres is no debating that. >he said it himself. anyone who takes it takes it for that >reason. we might as well start numbing faces for people who >can get knocked out easy if its proven to make your chin >better lol c'mon. >
^^^I never said that it wouldn't/could'nt "help"....all I've said is that for a person with bad hands that need to heal it is counterproductive overall Matter of fact this is what I have said explicitly:
A.)It does not "enhance" his performance by changing his body. B.)The purpose of this anesthetic is to relieve...in essence an attempt to return to a manageable threshold C.)I have not voiced support for or against it's use
....show me where I've said otherwise.
We all seem to get riled up around Floyd and Manny but again...I'm not excusing this or condemning this until I know more. Secondly, these ain't PEDs but I recognize that there isn't a consensus about this substance's use by the entities of authority.. Jury's out...
....Oh...and as far as substances speculatively being used to "fortify" chin and endurance...(see: Aaron Pryor)...Whatever he had been rumored to be drinking in his fight with Alexis Arguello is wholly different from an anesthetic being administered to a specific, localized area like the hands...
For example: When the dentist needs to work on your teeth and she hits you up with that needle....Do your feet go numb? Just asking....
>i get WHY he did it. they are his tools i totally get that. >Ima designer and i fi have to eventually do that to get >through the day i would do that (my hand was pretty fucked up) >to make money so be it. But u can't deny the fact that IN >boxing this should be up for debate whether we should let >fighters do it because it does numb the pain for them. They >banned super glue or whatever shit to put on cuts right? You >have to agree that this has to be up for debate at the least. >
^^^If you read some of my other posts in this thread I think you'll see that we agree more than you care to admit. Matter of fact...I've said the same in several threads over the years... I absolutely agree that this should be a real discussion...but I absolutely do not equate an anesthetic administerd locally with PEDs...
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
20. "18 replies in 2 days? wonder how many it would be if this was Manny" In response to Reply # 0 Thu May-31-12 10:06 PM by southphillyman
isn't xylocaine banned in every state....except for nevada? shit hole state with an even shittier economy centered around organized crime run casinos and shady ass boxing promoters http://youtu.be/OtMBAg1r0BQ
^^^Essentialy his hands wouldn't get better using this if he's using it. The word is that his hands have healed.
I don't know if he's done or is doing this but the occasion for him to do further damage to his hands *increases* if he does and does so regularly.
The numbness wouldn't allow him to feel pain but it also wouldn't allow him to heal or know if he's doing further damage to himself...it's counterproductive and debilitating.
Banned substances can also be differentiated as well.
****PEDs *enhance* performance by *augmentation*....they *change* your body.
****Xylocaine augments nothing...it is a painkiller.
24. "i figured they adjust the amount injected so that the hands aren't" In response to Reply # 22
totally numb...just desensitized enough to get through any pain and it's probably not even xylocaine since it's not banned by the nevada commission or USADA
also....this looks like a golden boy issue more than a floyd mayweather issue looks like they are hiding results across the board as standard practice we've recently had two GBP OPPONENTS results made public in peterson and berto are khan and ortiz results available? why are put that provision in the contract if you really want to clean up the sport for all we know ortiz could have failed a test before the last floyd fight, paid some penalty to floyd or GBP, and kept on trucking the shit is kind of worthless with out total transparency
25. "Not totally sure how that helps either... That's self inflicting damage...." In response to Reply # 24
>RE: i figured they adjust the amount injected so that the hands aren't totally numb...just desensitized enough to get through any >pain
^^^ That still doesn't help when the integrity of the hand is challenged/compromised.. Son has BROKEN them several times. Not feeling pain doesn't mean he wouldn't be ruining them for subsequent fights... He has to use them to train too... I dunno man.. It just doesn't make sense to do that if he's having real issues... That money is long though...
>and it's probably not even xylocaine since it's not banned by >the nevada commission or USADA
^^^Has anyone confirmed him using anything???? Could the alleged findings be a substance that isn't necessarily banned but "private"?? I would imagine that there is some semblance of HIPAA parameters they are afforded as well (for example: a fighter taking meds for particular infections..etc..)
>also....this looks like a golden boy issue more than a floyd >mayweather issue >looks like they are hiding results across the board as >standard practice >we've recently had two GBP OPPONENTS results made public in >peterson and berto >are khan and ortiz results available? >why are put that provision in the contract if you really want >to clean up the sport >for all we know ortiz could have failed a test before the last >floyd fight, paid some penalty to floyd or GBP, and kept on >trucking >the shit is kind of worthless with out total transparency
^^^I know we always bump heads in here man...but I'm with you on this. Transparency or it's essentially worthless. The biggest distinction to be made is how disclosures are to be made as well. Please keep the boards apprised...
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
27. "has a fighter ever retired due to bad hands?" In response to Reply # 25
>^^^ That still doesn't help when the integrity of the hand is >challenged/compromised.. Son has BROKEN them several times. >Not feeling pain doesn't mean he wouldn't be ruining them for >subsequent fights... He has to use them to train too... I >dunno man.. It just doesn't make sense to do that if he's >having real issues... That money is long though... >
iono it's seems dumb from a long term health pov but the trade off might be worth it to them imagine if you break your hand in the 10th round of a title fight..... if you anticipate that due to previous issues and pump your hands with xylocaine that could be the difference between you making it thru those last two rounds and winning or not so i get what you're saying about it not enhancing performance but it does affect the way the body reacts to certain conditions and it might be advantageous
i'm not a doctor or anything but i think after a break the bone can heal to comparable (or even better strength) u just need to give it time to heal PROPERLY matter fact to heal some fractures they break the bone completely so that it can fuse back together properly and be at full strength so maybe the logic is once it's broke just keep fighting since it's going need surgery anyway then take a year or how ever long to let it heal properly
28. "Very valid points... I thought that his time off was for that purpose" In response to Reply # 27
RE: has a fighter ever retired due to bad hands?
>iono >it's seems dumb from a long term health pov >but the trade off might be worth it to them >imagine if you break your hand in the 10th round of a title >fight..... >if you anticipate that due to previous issues and pump your >hands with xylocaine that could be the difference between you >making it thru those last two rounds and winning or not >so i get what you're saying about it not enhancing >performance >but it does affect the way the body reacts to certain >conditions >and it might be advantageous
^^^Right there with you. My question now is if he isn't doing it now...has he been doing it prior to his new crusade?
I would think it would be advantageous for someone who's hands are sound but to do this with an injury and I would assume a full fight card it would be almost foolish
For example: you have hand injuries and you numb your hands to get through a fight only to have several possible challengers waiting for their shot at you...particularly when there's money to be made... It would not seem to make sense for when he wasn't getting the big fights because he fought more frequently then... The timing of the speculated use will tell us better...
>i'm not a doctor or anything but i think after a break the >bone can heal to comparable (or even better strength) >u just need to give it time to heal PROPERLY >matter fact to heal some fractures they break the bone >completely so that it can fuse back together properly and be >at full strength >so maybe the logic is once it's broke just keep fighting since >it's going need surgery anyway >then take a year or how ever long to let it heal properly
^^^Makes absolute sense in that scenario. Like I said...it's the timeframe of the accusations as well..
Next question is... If he did this...against which opponents? What were the in-fight results? KOs? We've seen him fluster more opponents than he's hurt and/or KOed.. Has he been holding back for fear of damaging his hands further? Has he resigned to just box guys because he can't feel his hands?? If KOs...did he seem to press this "advantage"???
The last time I remember seeing the cat hurt his hands in a fight is against Carlos Baldomir and that was what...6 years ago???
This reeks... If the use is "legal" in Vegas then do we discount his victories if he is proven to have used this? What is the USADA's role in this? Is their refusal to disclose certain results an indication of true privacy or subterfuge??? I mean...does the public need to know if something like penicillin or hydroxyzine is a substance found ??? Is that what is being kept undisclosed and in turn speculated as foul play??? Huge can of worms here....
I'm watching... Keep the news coming man...
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
33. "i forget which 24/7 it was but he was shown" In response to Reply # 20 Fri Jun-01-12 04:44 PM by Heinz
getting treatment...i thought they showed him taking shots but they only showed the other treatments...they just mention the does a bunch of others but only show 1 *shrugs*
i mean i guess he was less open with taking shots for it since it was on HBO before
he was doing the same thing iw as doing when i broke my hand on the show tho....i don't see how it would help for a fight lol i def wouldn't throw with my hand now
