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JAESCOTT777
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"Tracey Mcgrady (before injuries) appreciation post "


  

          

Man sometimes I forget how fucking ridiculous
He was

Its wild that there was a time when cats argued
He was better than Kobe ..and it wasn't trolling


In his prime he was damn near unstoppable
A top 5 player easy
Just sad how the injuries got him

*salute*



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIPNQN2sd4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
3:45 lawd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfurCV1FDpM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
13 pts in 35 seconds


  

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He *was* better than Kobe. Top 3 all-time under 25-er.
May 25th 2012
1
I'd add Magic to that list
May 25th 2012
8
Yes. Kareem, Magic, Tmac, Bron are top 4
May 25th 2012
12
      Jordan was better than all of them except Kareem.
May 26th 2012
23
           I'm saying lol - Duncan won a chip @ 22 and was the MVP in the series
May 27th 2012
33
I'd say the post Shaq/pre Gasol Lakers and McGrady Magic were...
May 25th 2012
9
Fair enough.
May 25th 2012
11
uh, no. Durant is a better under-25 player right now
May 26th 2012
18
      Durant is barely (if at all) a better *scorer* than T-Mac sub-25
May 26th 2012
20
           not really.
May 26th 2012
24
                RE: not really.
May 27th 2012
27
                You don't know anything about basketball.
May 27th 2012
30
                     you don't know anything about what i know
May 27th 2012
36
real talk
May 25th 2012
2
everything from hs to before surgery.
May 25th 2012
3
that was
May 27th 2012
31
one of my favorite players even in Toronto
May 25th 2012
4
or
May 27th 2012
32
Kobe vs tmac
May 25th 2012
5
I remember this game....
May 25th 2012
7
Then there was this one...
May 25th 2012
10
criminal how they fired Bill Walton. dude was HILARIOUS
May 26th 2012
22
That good Durham High gym, damn we used to get on some hoes
May 25th 2012
6
dude... LMFAO @ the zoom in on Pop after the game winner
May 25th 2012
13
Pop pulling and then diggin into Balki's ass was comedy as well
May 25th 2012
14
T-Mac Was DAT DUDE!
May 25th 2012
15
injurys and never had the mental hungry attitude
May 25th 2012
16
Damn, TMac can't even get his name spelled right in an appreciation post
May 26th 2012
17
lol what i came to say
May 26th 2012
19
Damn lol whoops
May 26th 2012
21
Comedy & crazy how his career kinda followed Penny's
May 26th 2012
25
TMac = Iverson if he was 6'9"
May 27th 2012
26
RE: TMac = Iverson if he was 6'9"
May 27th 2012
34
tmac had a lazy eye...he couldnt help that look
May 27th 2012
35
Please. If AI at 6'9" woulda sodomized O_E w/the Larry O'Brien Trophy
May 27th 2012
37
RIP Ralph Wiley
May 27th 2012
28
His days in Orlando were amazing.
May 27th 2012
29

Orbit_Established
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1. "He *was* better than Kobe. Top 3 all-time under 25-er."
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Can't really comment on Wilt, but only Kareem and
Lebron are in the discussion with T-mac for best
under-25 player ever.

We saw how good Kobe was after Shaq and before Gasol.

He was putting up insane numbers on mediocre
teams.

Take those Laker teams, cut the talent in half,
and you have T-Mac's Magic teams.



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8. "I'd add Magic to that list"
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http://clydefrazierapproves.com/
http://stylepoints.tumblr.com/

"Like 4 out of 5 things you say on OKP offend me." -FireBrand

  

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12. "Yes. Kareem, Magic, Tmac, Bron are top 4"
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N/m
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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23. "Jordan was better than all of them except Kareem."
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<--------- Harvey BETTER

  

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33. "I'm saying lol - Duncan won a chip @ 22 and was the MVP in the series"
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He came in the league regarded as the most skilled big man since Hakeem and McHale...although Hakeem was far from being thought of as a skilled big man when he 1st entered the league.

A more accurate assessment of McGrady's legacy would be to say he was perhaps amongst the most talented players under 25

but

in terms of on-the-court productivity, there have been several that were just as good if not better.

Penny who was McGrady's idol was just as good as McGrady at the age of 25...and so was Grant Hill.

You could argue Durant who's only 22 is just as good if not better than McGrady at that age.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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9. "I'd say the post Shaq/pre Gasol Lakers and McGrady Magic were..."
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About equal.

T-Mac was a beast. But those teams were very, very similar. Not to take anything away from him, but let's not act like they were worse than they were...

Hell, T-Mac even had a 3-1 lead as an 8 seed and lost to the 1 seed (similar to Kobe's 7 seed losing to the 2 seed with a 3-1 lead). The stories are hilariously similar, actually...right down to the guys saying they had the series wrapped up before they were, ha.

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11. "Fair enough. "
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>About equal.
>
>T-Mac was a beast. But those teams were very, very similar.
>Not to take anything away from him, but let's not act like
>they were worse than they were...
>
>Hell, T-Mac even had a 3-1 lead as an 8 seed and lost to the 1
>seed (similar to Kobe's 7 seed losing to the 2 seed with a 3-1
>lead). The stories are hilariously similar, actually...right
>down to the guys saying they had the series wrapped up before
>they were, ha.

Good points

  

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18. "uh, no. Durant is a better under-25 player right now"
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>
>Can't really comment on Wilt, but only Kareem and
>Lebron are in the discussion with T-mac for best
>under-25 player ever.
>

  

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20. "Durant is barely (if at all) a better *scorer* than T-Mac sub-25"
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Let alone defender, rebounder, passer

T-Mac's all around game runs circles around him,
sorry

T-Mac had elite ball handling skills, as in,
better than Lebron

T-Mac was also a defensive stopper with the
Raptors (something Durant will never, ever,
ever be mistaken for)




  

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24. "not really."
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other than ball-handing.

  

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27. "RE: not really."
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>other than ball-handing.
Which really, really makes a difference when you are talking about perimeter players.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://imgflip.com/i/pgk9

  

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30. "You don't know anything about basketball. "
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>other than ball-handing.

a) Ball handling is not trivial, its a major
skillset for a swingman

b) T-Mac was a better passer and defender, by far

Just stop

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36. "you don't know anything about what i know"
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i'm not interested in a back and forth...durant ain't trying to be the next jordan unlike the generation of ballers before him so it's not going to fit within half of okp's frame of reference.

  

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2. "real talk"
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>Man sometimes I forget how fucking ridiculous
>He was
>
>Its wild that there was a time when cats argued
>He was better than Kobe ..and it wasn't trolling
>
>
>In his prime he was damn near unstoppable
> A top 5 player easy
>Just sad how the injuries got him
>
>*salute*
>
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIPNQN2sd4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>3:45 lawd
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfurCV1FDpM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>13 pts in 35 seconds
>
>
>

"We ain't really with that talking, bitch we bout' that action!"(c)Tavares Taylor

  

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3. "everything from hs to before surgery. "
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Fri May-25-12 12:11 PM by V3rb

  

          

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3hM_H8TQ&feature=related

http://hypevercab.bandcamp.com

  

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31. "that was"
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incredible.

  

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4. "one of my favorite players even in Toronto"
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if him and Grant had BOTH stayed healthy on those Magic teams....yikes

woobledeskawooooooohhhhh (c) Daryl Hall

That was so uncomfortable (c) Mike

  

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32. "or"
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if he and yao remained healthy as well...

  

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5. "Kobe vs tmac "
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqXPfdTzAzc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  

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7. "I remember this game...."
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Kobe had the better game but they still lost

  

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10. "Then there was this one..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJxHtg6EbfI

Kobe with 38, Shaq with 27 points and 23 boards...I remember being so hyped off this game.

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22. "criminal how they fired Bill Walton. dude was HILARIOUS"
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Brad Nessler did NBA games? lol

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6. "That good Durham High gym, damn we used to get on some hoes"
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at them games

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13. "dude... LMFAO @ the zoom in on Pop after the game winner "
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in the second vid. he was ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS when they were up 10 with 49 left... the difficulty of the shots he made were very impressive. to put up 30 on that Spurs team was legit too (first time it happened that year)

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14. "Pop pulling and then diggin into Balki's ass was comedy as well"
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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

Lakers, Dodgers, Eagles, Arsenal

  

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15. "T-Mac Was DAT DUDE!"
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I went on record saying he was better than Kobe (was wrong, but it was close)
Dude was the most complete player in the league...a slim Lebron with a killer instinct

When dude scored like 13 points in 33 seconds to beat SA I was like damn (Reggie Miller-esque)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jbtt6OGLms

And also, when he yolked on Shawn Bradley in the playoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9fJEG2gbuM
And that was AFTER his Magic days when he slowed down a little bit

One of my fav. players

  

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16. "injurys and never had the mental hungry attitude"
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if he had have been mean and been healthy then yeah he would have been extra crispy scary, however injurys and also not having that killer instict and he also played off his talents and rawness as to using his brain.

T Mac outta be a first ballot just as his cousin however those cats wanted to fly and style and profile and when they got hurt and were on teams that were getting knocked out yearly and never even coming close to Jewelry well here we are.

T Mac is cat that should have been greater easily.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,Buffalo Bills,Michigan Woolverines football and basketball Tiger

  

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17. "Damn, TMac can't even get his name spelled right in an appreciation post"
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19. "lol what i came to say"
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_____________
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21. "Damn lol whoops "
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25. "Comedy & crazy how his career kinda followed Penny's "
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Those two in their prime were both beasts

  

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26. "TMac = Iverson if he was 6'9""
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AI's heart made up for his lack in size. TMac always had this lazy look on his face like "fuck giving 100% when I got a 7 footer's wingspan"

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34. "RE: TMac = Iverson if he was 6'9""
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you just contradicted yourself in a single post

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://imgflip.com/i/pgk9

  

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35. "tmac had a lazy eye...he couldnt help that look"
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>AI's heart made up for his lack in size. TMac always had this
>lazy look on his face like "fuck giving 100% when I got a 7
>footer's wingspan"

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37. "Please. If AI at 6'9" woulda sodomized O_E w/the Larry O'Brien Trophy"
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He was better than him at 5'11" & change.

  

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28. "RIP Ralph Wiley"
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i'll always remember this article he did on t-mac:
The Sleeper Has Awakened
By Ralph Wiley
Page 2 columnist

With much due respect and a bow to a master storyteller, Frank Herbert, yours truly often refers to Tracy McGrady not as T-Mac but-T-Muad'Dib, or the Kwisatz Shaderac.

I do this because what the hell else am I supposed to call this freak of nature? How does one refer to the Chosen, such an obvious act of God? One must go fiction, because he is beyond belief otherwise -- so far beyond it until you must believe. His Game leaves you no option.


With his performance against Detroit, McGrady is not of this world.
"Me? No. You can't compare me to him," said Sean Elliott. He said this after the Orlando Magic took a 3-1 lead over Detroit last Sunday, led by McGrady's easy, my-shot-is-way-off-tonight-and-it-don't-matter-because-it's-my-world-anyway 29-point, nine-assist, five-steal, four-rebound game. T-Mac is averaging 39 plus per game for the series with the Pistorinis, going into tonight's Game 4, making it look too easy, then strikingly original, by turns.

"He's doing things we've never seen before," said Planet Detroit coach Rick Carlisle after Set 2, before going on to say things meant to inspire his own troops, but it was the first part, the part that wasn't propaganda, that revealed.

Most NBA alumni in the commenting business are quick to say how things were more competitive in the olden days, how good they were, compared to today's self-absorbed, hip-hopping slugabouts. Not so with McGrady. When his name comes up, NBA alumni only grunt, and go quiet.

"He's more like maybe a young Scottie Pippen -- but Scottie Pippen with a whole universe more offense. He's like ... Hmnm ... really, nothing I've seen," said Elliott.

How is that? First, contrast T-Mac with the best out there today, then with the choicest product of the brewer's art.

Shaq? Shaq abandoned Dune long ago, went La-La, to lead House Harkkonen, also known as the Lakers, to three straight NBA titles. Did T-Mac try to emulate his game? No. You can't emulate an earthquake. So the boy T-Mac studied Penny Hardaway's game ... though, luckily, not all of it.

Kevin Garnett? It is true, Big Ticket is the regular season 2003 MVP, here in my book, and now has the full attention of House Harkonnen. But KG and Shaq have more to work with than McGrady has with the Orlando Fremen ... I mean, Magic. And yet, these same Magic are a No. 8 seed poised to depose the No. 1-seeded Detroit Pistons, and to reclaim Dune. They are so poised because of McGrady. Big Sleep is the closest thing on earth, or in NBA basketball, or in the state of Florida, at least, to a basketball supreme being.

T-Mac leads the Magic by deed, inspiration and fear, shows them a new Weirding Way to fight, based on these facts:

He can stop any perimeter player on the other team. If he can and has blocked Kobe's j, he can stop anybody. The only question would be, can he stop Alley I. for a precious few critical possessions. More sooner than later, we'll see. I've seen Doc Rivers (the David Lynch of this production) operate, and he'll do something shrewd yet crazy like that if A.I. is going off and there's nothing else to be done.

I'd pay to see that.

In Game 2, Chauncey Billups, playing point, had 16 points in the first quarter, on five-of-eight shooting. He flicked away Jacque Vaughn like a fly. Once, I swear, Jacque landed 10 feet away, then went sliding across the floor further another 10. There was no foul called because there was no foul. Billups just flicked him away. So Doc Rivers then put Muad'Dib on Billups, and that was the end of that. McGrady housed Billups like an octopus houses a crab, unhinged him, snaked away his dribble twice, shut down all his looks at perimeter jumpers and shadowed his drives and basically took away everything from him but the dish. Billups went 1-for-12 the rest of the way, finished with 25.

Uunderstand, Chauncey Billups, for all of his considerable aristocratic talent, arrogance and high maintenence, can get his shot on any guard in the league. Understand that.

Then understand this: The opposition must double or triple T-Mac when he's on offense. When I die, I want to come back as a stand-still jump shooter who plays with Tracy McGrady. Because I will be left open for many jumpers.


How long is T-Mac? Why don't you ask Chauncey.
If the opponent doesn't double, T-Mac stands out high, ball on hip, but held slightly behind his body, not like a rook showing ball so it can be picked ... he only seems to be nonchalant ... he regards the set-up with those wide-spaced, otherwordly, sleepy, soulful eyes, and you feel like he's already on either side of you. Both sides at once. And then he does whatever he wants to do. Basically. From deep, or on the drive, or on the pull-up, on the up-and-under, off the backboard to his ownself ... tell me, how do you want it?

Where is this basketball wonder, this T-Muad'Dib from?

From Dune itself!

He's from tiny Auburndale, Florida, right off I-4, halfway between Orlando and Tampa. Now, one can see a Warren Sapp coming from such a place. All of Florida is rigged for football, somehow. But such otherwordly basketball talent?

How can this be? Isn't hoop the hard-rock City game?

A Readers' Guide to "Dune"
For those who haven't read the book ...
The KWISATZ SHADERAC -- is a mythical savior, a Jesus-like figure prophesied to come and save the lowly FREMEN, the native people of DUNE, who for centuries have lived under the heel of a line of off-world freebooters; the Fremen are yoked to mine the only precious item on ARRAKIS, a place with virtually no water, which is why the desolate, mostly desert planet is also called DUNE. This "ore" is called the SPICE. The Spice is key to intergalactic travel, as it it used by the Guild navigators, big whale-looking brains that allow people to "fold space" and travel across millions of miles by teleportation. But the mining of this Spice is terrible, dangerous labor, there are constant threats from giant worms -- the irony is the waste matter of the worms is the raw material of the Spice.

The Kwisatch Shaderac will come one day to figure this out, saddle and ride the worm, use them the way Hannibal used elephants, lead a rebellion of Fremen and throw off the yoke of the rulers of current Arrakis, the Harkonnens. They are a bad sort, led by General Vladimir Harkonnen, a ruler, lech and ne'er-do-well. His Lefttenant is an assasin called Feyd Rautha.

A boy comes to Arrakis from his home world, a world like earth, a watery world led by a family called the ATREIDES. DUKE LETO ATREIDES is Paul's father, and the LADY JESSICA, a concubine, is Paul's mother. Lady Jessica is also secretly a member of the Bene Jessurit sisterhood ... well, anyway, Paul Atreides' father is betrayed and killed, and the Harkonnen wrest Dune from the House Atreides, but Paul Atreides escapes death with his mother, lives underground with the Fremen. There he is called Paul Muad'Dib; slowly he builds and leads a revolt by the Fremen, by using the amplified power of their own voices against the evil Harkonnen. He drinks the WATER OF LIFE, and does not die, which on a Bene Jessurit sister can do; it was written that the Kwisatz Shaderac would be able to do this.

Following Muad'Dib, the Fremen defeat the Harkonnen, and Paul is revealed to be the Kwisatz Shaderac. Other peoples come to Dune to pay homage, using the GUILD NAVIGATORS, who use the Spice as a sort of a drug that helps them FOLD SPACE, thereby making intergalactic travel not only doable, but quick and easy ...
--R.W.


This co-existence can lead to much misunderstanding.

Before we get to that, examine T-Muad'Dib's specs.

First, there's his length. Ask anybody about T-Mac, and they always talk length. I don't remember anybody talking about length until T-Mac. Length was there, but they didn't call it length. Length is height, and even more height than what appears to the naked eye. Length is deceiving. T-Mac has grabbed Kobe's jumper in mid-air a time or two. Nobody does that. Certainly nobody does it without retribution.

"He's so long!" Kobe protested, when asked about T-Mac blocking his shot. He sounded like Sting (as Feyd Rautha).

T-Muad'Dib is 6-feet-8 or 6-9, depending on how he chooses to carry himself; his sleeve drop is nearly 50 inches, shoulder to top of knee. His fingers are ultra-long. Add it up, you're talking seven-footer, with quicks, with the lateral body control of a man 6-3, with bounce, huge hops, with no flex span, with pure boi-yoy-yoingggg ...

So you are not talking about blocking his shot, or getting your shot off against him. You are not trying to talk about that. You are just trying to survive out there with him.

"If all these guys were out on a playground somehwere, believe me, it wouldn't take long for them to figure out who was supposed to get the ball, and no matter how good they thought there were before he showed up -- they'd know to get him the ball," said Orlando Coach Doc Rivers. "And that can be a problem when the defense pays more attention to him, and you stand around waiting. No matter what you say, as a coach, that's the tendency, and they're the ones out there. Your instinct is that him shooting is a better option than you shooting. And you're right too, but sometimes you still have to shoot, if that's what the D dictates. That's the beauty of the game."

This may be why McGrady stood up in a team meeting after the Magic lost the second game of the series to the Pistons, despite his 43 points. "Don't wait for me," he warned his minions. "I can get mine anytime I want. You know that. But I need for you to get yours when you can. I don't need you to get mine. I need to you to get yours." Use the power of your own voices. McGrady told his teammates to look for their shots as they would if they did not play with the Kwisatz Shaderac -- just to play their own Weirding Way game, use the power of their own games, knowing their games would be expanded because the defense would be playing them while leaning toward him.

McGrady can take the weight. His body has great tensile strength, like Allen Iverson's, only much, much longer. It's like T-Mac played football or something. (Which he did. He played baseball, too. Orlando's director of marketing, Chris D'Orso, loves working with him, as you might expect of a man who can help you sell out the remaining 2,000 seats in a 17,300 seat building in a couple of hours. But D'Orso has to be careful; if he has a Lousville Slugger giveaway night in T-Mac's name, T-Mac wants some of the bats! If there was a NBA decathlon, T-Muad'Dib would probably win it.)

On a McGrady drive during the decisive 18-0 third quarter Magic/Fremen run out on the Pistoleros, Ben Wallace and one of those hard-rock Rebracas went up in front of him and made scissoring motions with their anaconda arms and ridged hands, like Maximus in a gladiator scraimmage, when he cut off that poor guy's head with two swords and then asked was the crowd not entertained. That's a foul, of course; only I thought McGrady might come out of the encounter decapitated, if at all. A normal man would've.


Stop his deadly jumper? Ha! T-Mac just dunked on you.

McGrady came out smiling ferally, looking at Ben and Zeljko with those Eyes. The Sleeper had awakened.

This greater intensity was just what Page 2's basketball maven Charley Rosen had called for earlier in the season, when he quoted Horace Grant calling into question Tracy's heart, will, intensity, commitment to defend each enemy possession, defense. Perhaps in his mind, Grant was comparing McGrady to the ultimate competitive standard, Jordan ... but perhaps his appraisal had a bit more cat hiss in it. Perhaps it was observation mixed with nostalgia and insanity. Sometimes once-feared players become insane when they near retirement. I give you Charles Oakley, or Michael Jordan, for that matter. Ho Grant might have been right if he was comparing T-Mac to Jordan, who had the intensity of a blowtorch. But I've seen T-Mac give it all he had and more in playoff series losses to the Bucks and the Hornets, to the point of total exhaustion, and then say in his weariness, "I have to get better. I must get better." Seen him outplay Kobe and beat the Lakers. So ... this charge by Grant to Charley led to an airplane confrontation among the Magic, where T-Muad'Dib simply asked jealous doctor Grant -- who had hit maybe 10 field goals all year at that point -- what was wrong with him. Didn't he see that he, T-Mac, was leading the league in scoring? What was Grant doing? Grant looked at T-Mac -- and decided to call out Rivers, swelling up like he wanted to fight or something.

Predictably, not very long after that, Horace Grant, who was once a serviceable compliment to Michael Jordan on championship teams in Chi-town, who once lost in Orlando in the Finals with Shaq, was unemployed, and out of ball.

They come and go. Only their genius lives on. McGrady soldiered on, in his way. It isn't an obviously intense way, all in your face, a Northeastern game, like Artest, K-Mart, busting you, like intimating basketball has come to be. T-Mac plays more like Clyde Frazier did once, or like Henry Aaron played baseball -- he plays at his speed of his choice.

Languid, burst, languid, burst. Super burst. Burst. Fourth quarter, plenty left. Burst, burst, ball game. And if you're playing him, you end up thinking, "Oh, well. At least he didn't hurt me. At least I'm not beat up, too. Manana."

It's not disaffection, or laziness, or anything negative. It's merely his habit, or his style, or his lack of style, which, actually, can be said to be the best style, for the long haul. For years people told me Rickey Henderson didn't bust his butt. Now he has more of everything than anybody who ever played baseball, and people are begging him to please stop already. It's how and where Frazier, Aaron, Henderson and McGrady were born and raised, and it's effective over the long haul. So cool it seems to be effortless. In most trades, it is hard work, making something look effortless. Very hard work indeed. I don't see why hoop would be any different.

Well, looks aside, T-Muad'Dib ended up leading the league in scoring this season, at over 32 points a game. He led the league despite what we saw Kobe Bryant do last February, averaging 40 for a month. In a league of Shaqs and Kobes, of Iverson's Total Green Light, of Nowitzki-At-Will-From-Deep-Over-the-Top, of Duncan, of Garnett the Big Ticket, it is Tracy McGrady, T-Mac, T-Maud'dib, the Kwisatz Shaderac, who led the league in scoring, and now leads a No. 8 seed by a No. 1 for just the third time ever, and for the first time in four games, if it ends Wednesday night.

It's simple. They can't stop him. And he can stop them.


School is in session for Teyshaun, and he isn't passing.
What is his secret? What's his Spice?

Well, I can't say yet. After all, it's his secret, not mine. The story is just beginning. T-Muad'Dib is only 23 years old.

I do know there's the Vein. The Vein looks like a garden hose as it shoots down from his shoulder through his right, or shooting, arm. Maybe that's what gives him the Power.

Maybe it's just good circulation.

Maybe, outside of his physical gifts, he has more in his tank. My associate Moon pointed this out in the third quarter of the game, during the 18-0 Magic/Fremen run: "Why, he's not even sweating! He's breezing through this game!"

Mind you, this was against House Detroit Piston, the best defensive team in the league, by statistic at least. But they were swept away by Muad'Dib's merely normal B game, and by the inspired efforts of his many Fremen warriors, like rookie Drew Gooden (20 and 13; don't anybody wake him up; if he realized what he was doing, he'd faint) and Darrell Armstrong (18, 6-for-6 from the field), and, if you give him a look, Gordan Giricek. Some Magic are named like Fremen. Some of them even look like Fremen.

"(T-Mac) leads, we follow," said Gooden, "No way was I letting him down again. No way was I not helping him."

Also helping T-Mac is his Unlimited Shooting Range, his shots launched by the Super Arm with the Vein. He can hit the bomb 3 at any time; if he gets warm, he can hit many. He is Virtually Unstoppable. So there is virtually nothing you can do about it, or him. You have to give him that shot. Because if he gets an angle to the basket ... my goodness, it's time for Revelations already, boys and girls.

"He's talented," said Billups. Think so, Chaunce? McGrady converts high-speed, fly-by reverse layups in such a way that makes it look like Dr. J. in time-lapse photography. He's his own Time Machine. The Kwisatz Shaderac needs no Players Guild navigator. He can fold space himself,

So you have to give him the deep j.

If he's hitting that, then, well -- ship's in, school's out. Most guys who get hot from the perimeter, you just send a taller defensive assassin after them, that cuts out all the nonsense. Not McGrady. He laughs, and says, "Better bring another somebody with you -- that'll at least give me something to challenge me, occupy my mind," or words to that effect.

One day -- this year, if they go far enough in the playoffs -- I will give you a more extensive report, perhaps even from the mouth of McGrady/Muad'Dib himself, but for now, he leaves me speechless when I'm around him. I can report on what he does, like when the Orlando crowd was chanting "M-V-P!" when he went to the foul line the other day. He missed one as they chanted, then stepped back and put a finger to his lips and shushed the crowd. It fell silent, and they began to shush each other. Who else does that?

For now he leaves me speechless. This is not his fault. He answers questions in press conference, careful to couch his answers in platitudes. I've seen him waiting for a plane in LaGuardia in the off-season, probably off to save Planet adidas or something, and he still has the ability to fold space, even there, to appear, disappear and re-appear, make himself smaller or larger than his surroundings. He makes the T.D. Waterhouse Center in Orlando look like his own personal birdcage, an aviary that needs expanding, if only to allow him full range. Yet, he made an airport gate boarding area seem like Jacob Javits Convention Center. He sat quietly in his chair, nodded politely, and went back to his deep thoughts. He does not appear to have much of a regal opinion about himself. Let's hope he stays that way.


All hail, T-Mac! All hail, T-Mac! All hail, T-Mac!
KG is a sharp kid who'd be entertaining to talk to, no doubt, only who, besides Michelle Tafoya, Prince, and the Coen brothers, goes to Minnesota during basketball season?

Shaq, the Big Loquacious, I can approach him and ask, "What do you want me to tell Kornheiser or Wilbon, Shaq?", knowing full well he will say, "Tell Wilbon I said I'm going to break my foot off in his ass," as Shaq has told me before, and then we will both smile, because we know Shaq doesn't really mean it, not really. Anyway, it's a good way to break the ice before we get down to cases.

Alley I., I can go up to him and say, "Allen!" He'll frown, look at me and say, "What?" And that'll be cool.

I've never met Dirk Nowitzki, but I'd like to. Seems like he'd be down. Amazing, considering English is his second language. I know if I balled in Germany, and the German version of David Aldridge or Sal Masakela came up to me and started asking me questions in German, I'd be a basket case, a nutbird and a total moron, put together. Ever heard German? I defy you to decipher it. Well, be that as it may, I know Dirk Nowitzki is extremely hard to guard, and will drop 40 on you in a New York minute, as the Blazers and that nice young man Maurice Cheeks can surely tell you.

I want to ask Paul Pierce if I can see his stab wound scars, if he's glad 'Toine seems to have understood he can be a rebounding machine, that the offense must flow through Pierce for the Celtics to even be watchable. Walker is a fine player, but, man, Pierce has got a gun. Powpowpowpow ...

I want to ask Baron Davis how good must he be, to drop 34 points on the Sixers while dragging a leg. I didn't even know you could play in the league big minutes dragging a leg, much less drop 34 in a money game doing it.

But with T-Mac, T-Muad'Dib, the Kwisatz -- I'm tongue-tied, speechless, left for words. So that's the extent of our report for now, admittedly from the periphery of the battle for the soul of the game, being partly waged on the Planet Orlando, Florida, also known as Planet Arrakis, Dune.

Ralph Wiley spent nine years at Sports Illustrated and wrote 28 cover stories on celebrity athletes. He is the author of several books, including "Best Seat in the House," with Spike Lee, "Born to Play: The Eric Davis Story," and "Serenity, A Boxing Memoir."

  

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29. "His days in Orlando were amazing."
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He was on some Super Cheat Code or shit.

Truly above the floor,...dancing on clouds.

Looking down at the court like everyone were munchkins.

His feet were truly floating.

An amazing era, an amazing time.


T-Mac in orlando was simply prolific.

Everlasting highlight reel.

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heh is mine.

  

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