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LBs Finest
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"since Gasol will most likely be traded, put together your best deals"


  

          

keep in mind the Lakers are trying to shed salary so it would probably have to be a 3-team deal so we avoid taking back the same amount of salary as we send out...kinda like what we tried to do with the CP3 deal.

just throwing this one out there...

Philly gets: MVPau, Steve Blake, Drew Gooden.

Milwaukee gets: Iggy, World Peace, Sessions

Lakers get: Monta Ellis, Lou Willz.


salary cap should be around 58 mil.

Philly after they amnesty Elton Brand would be at 46.7 mil, so that leaves them with a good amount of money to sign more pieces plus they have the 15th pick in the draft.

Milwaukee would be at 57.8 which is right at the cap but they could amnesty Metta to free up about 7 mil to sign a big or use their lottery pick on a big.

Lakers salary would go down from 83 mil to 66 mil which would lighten the load on Buss's checkbook and more importantly PUTS US UNDER THE LUXURY TAX (assuming its around 70 mil again). we resign Jordan Hill and pray to Allah that KG signs here for cheap lol...word is he wants to come to the West Coast, he has a spot in Malibu. or we could try to bring Odumb back for cheap.

overall i think my deal makes sense for all teams...gimme some other realistic Gasol trades.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Terrible deal for LA. Just awful.
May 24th 2012
1
not if we get KG
May 24th 2012
2
      So it's a terrible deal.
May 24th 2012
7
           Lamar's out there too
May 24th 2012
8
                I hope you're not comparing KG to Lamar
May 24th 2012
16
                     no of course not but Lamar will be cheaper.
May 24th 2012
18
                          All the more reason to go to NY.
May 24th 2012
19
Monta fucking Ellis?
May 24th 2012
3
Why would 76ers trade their best player + top scorer for a 3rd tier big?
May 24th 2012
4
well obviously Philly doesn't feel that he's a 3rd tier big.
May 24th 2012
5
      Why not? Didn't they see Pau when he was in Memphis?
May 24th 2012
14
Wolves
May 24th 2012
6
Gasol for Love
May 24th 2012
13
      Bynum for Beasley's weed and Martell's cognac stash?
May 25th 2012
55
lol @ that wack ass trade nm
May 24th 2012
9
damn niggas aint feeling my trade....FOH
May 24th 2012
10
I'm not Dr. Buss and therefore I gives no fucks about money.
May 24th 2012
17
      RE: I'm not Dr. Buss and therefore I gives no fucks about money.
May 24th 2012
22
           I think the money part is important
May 24th 2012
23
                Oh, and the Bucks can't amnesty Metta
May 25th 2012
51
you don't trade big for small unless you're getting back a Deron or CP3....
May 24th 2012
11
i'll take a downgrade at PF if it comes with a downgrade in salary and
May 24th 2012
24
      I don't see how swapping Gasol for 2 small ass guards that don't defend....
May 24th 2012
30
           this isn't an option, Gasol is too expensive.
May 25th 2012
56
You sure you don't wanna sign Radman?
May 24th 2012
12
I was going to throw together a post about this last night
May 24th 2012
15
dts
May 24th 2012
20
Discerning Trade Speculation?
May 24th 2012
21
      Damn That's (good) Swap?
May 24th 2012
26
           Dismiss ThaTruth's Snark? Dude's Too Sad 'bout Dat Thunder Superiority!
May 24th 2012
28
Those are actually pretty good
May 26th 2012
84
Lakers/Bulls/Bobcats
May 24th 2012
25
LOL
May 24th 2012
29
Sessions and Pau for Bubbles, Kenneth Faried and Javal Magee....
May 24th 2012
27
I think Faried's the deal breaker.
May 24th 2012
35
      I'm not even a Nug's fan and Faried is already 1 of my fave players
May 25th 2012
57
      Yeah, I hear that. If I'm the Nuggets, I don't do that trade.......
May 25th 2012
73
to HOU for lowry, scola, maybe parsons?
May 24th 2012
31
Why would Houston's offer get better than last year?
May 24th 2012
33
The one reason is bc Dragic balled the eff out.
May 24th 2012
36
      That doesn't mean they're just going to add in Lowry in Gasol deal
May 24th 2012
39
           RE: That doesn't mean they're just going to add in Lowry in Gasol deal
May 24th 2012
42
                I think you can use it to judge Houston's side
May 24th 2012
43
                     RE: I think you can use it to judge Houston's side
May 24th 2012
44
                          houston's offer would likely only decrease in quality now
May 25th 2012
52
                               RE: houston's offer would likely only decrease in quality now
May 25th 2012
69
                                    RE: houston's offer would likely only decrease in quality now
May 26th 2012
88
That was my dream trade. But no way Houston gives all that up.
May 25th 2012
54
Well this certainly won't hurt (Lowry wants out)
May 26th 2012
79
      Force that hand Kyle!
May 26th 2012
80
HOU has the #14 and #16 picks...?
May 25th 2012
59
nigga houston isnt here to fkng please the lakers
May 25th 2012
72
      Didn't the post say "put together your best deals?
May 26th 2012
90
Eh, I am not big on the "savings" angle there
May 24th 2012
32
you sure Philly wont be better?
May 24th 2012
34
      I dont want Gasol on this team
May 24th 2012
37
      I disagree in part
May 24th 2012
40
      Think about it, we take out two starters (3 finishers) for Gasol
May 24th 2012
38
           i wouldn't give up anything but iggy and vucevic/hawes.
May 24th 2012
41
                lol, surely Iggy & Lou Willz is fair value for MVPau
May 24th 2012
47
                     I guess that's the better question for this post: What's Pau's value?
May 24th 2012
49
                     three years ago, it certainly was
May 25th 2012
53
                     talent-wise, of course.
May 25th 2012
58
                          marquee FAs? plural? would have space for ONE guy, not a max either
May 25th 2012
76
what about Gasol for Horford straight up?
May 24th 2012
45
Doesn't work financially but Lakers would win IMO
May 24th 2012
46
Lakers easily, younger player, better rebounder
May 24th 2012
48
I LOVE THIS TRADE
May 25th 2012
50
keep gasol ..trade that idiot bynum..
May 25th 2012
60
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7b4ngdc
May 25th 2012
61
lololol dam
May 25th 2012
62
RE: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7b4ngdc
May 25th 2012
63
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bp2dru
May 26th 2012
81
lakers should really do this one:
May 26th 2012
82
Back the fuck up with that KG shit n/m.
May 25th 2012
64
KG wouldn't go there anyway. Dude is pure loyal
May 25th 2012
67
      People forget he spent his prime sitting in Minny...he's loyal.
May 25th 2012
68
           please change your avi
Jul 02nd 2012
140
pau for rashard lewis.
May 25th 2012
65
The best trade is
May 25th 2012
66
If I'm Miami, I'm not giving up Bosh for Pau straight up.
May 25th 2012
75
That Wade scenario is far fetched but I agree with the first part
May 26th 2012
87
Nah. If I'm Miami, I'd rather trade Wade out of the big 3
May 28th 2012
99
We aren't looking to shed money in a deal
May 25th 2012
70
wrong.
May 27th 2012
94
Not sure what specific deal you can get for Pau...but
May 25th 2012
71
LOL @ these deals...
May 25th 2012
74
There is an outstanding Free Agency this summer.
May 26th 2012
77
A. Not really B. Most teams don't have cap space
May 26th 2012
78
Why do people keep saying that? Also, Lakers ain't signing no damn FAs
May 26th 2012
85
      Why not?
May 26th 2012
89
           Because they don't have cap space, Professor Lenny Poffo!
May 27th 2012
91
                I think that certain players will make sacrifices
May 27th 2012
93
Elton Brand, Jodie Meeks & a bag of skittles
May 26th 2012
83
PHILLY LOST!!!! NOOOOPEE!!! YALL NEED A BIG MAN!!!!
May 26th 2012
86
Because our history with newly acquired PFs over 29 is so great
May 27th 2012
95
      bolsa consoladar?
May 28th 2012
98
Gasol and Bynum for Gasol and Randolph
May 27th 2012
92
La gets: josh smith, and a 2nd
May 28th 2012
96
we already got a guy taking 20 foot fade aways in crunch time
May 28th 2012
97
so Gasol wants to play for Chicago...
May 29th 2012
100
they ain't goin' nowhere just swapping out Deng-for-Pau
May 29th 2012
101
like i said, any Pau trade should be a 3 team deal
May 30th 2012
103
      THAT I'd do in a fucking heartbeat.
May 30th 2012
104
      the Lakers go nowhere swapping out Pau for Monta & Deng either
May 30th 2012
106
      lol okay now you're just being ridiculous.
May 30th 2012
109
           it's funny you're talkin Westbrook, Melo, etc & then thinking Deng/Monta
Jun 02nd 2012
120
                Monta/Kobe/Deng/Bynum with Sessions off the bench is a squad!
Jun 07th 2012
134
      lol wut
May 30th 2012
107
      lol. you've been throwing out pretty bad trade ideas in this
May 30th 2012
108
           well I only threw in Booz cuz I figured bulls fans wanted to rid the tea...
May 30th 2012
110
           Bulls should/would take that ASAP, Booz couldnt get u Brand right now
May 30th 2012
112
           Pau's 31 w/mininal injury history, just lost his role w/his current team
May 30th 2012
111
                Getting back Drew Gooden and Steve Blake in that deal is laughable.
May 30th 2012
113
                     the Bulls aren't a contender next year? y'all rebuilding?
Jun 02nd 2012
119
                          RE: the Bulls aren't a contender next year? y'all rebuilding?
Jun 02nd 2012
127
Sure, if Noah comes with him.
May 30th 2012
102
lakers fans: would you do iggy + vucevic for MVPau?
May 30th 2012
105
Haven't read it, but this Insider is already making me mad as shit.
Jun 02nd 2012
114
Nope.com.
Jun 02nd 2012
115
yeah, i agree.
Jun 02nd 2012
116
That would be absolutely silly
Jun 02nd 2012
117
This motherfucker has lost his shit.
Jun 02nd 2012
118
Thanks!
Jun 02nd 2012
121
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jun 02nd 2012
122
      the clippers aint that fuckin stupid...
Jun 02nd 2012
123
      NOT EVEN THE CLIPPERS make that trade
Jun 02nd 2012
124
      who is this nigga Dwight Howard now, a young Shaq?
Jun 02nd 2012
125
      Yeah that isn't happening. The Rockets trade is reasonable N/m
Jun 03rd 2012
128
good deal...y'all stay overrating them two big bitches
Jun 02nd 2012
126
I'd see about trading Drew for Deron and keep Pau.
Jun 07th 2012
129
i dont think Jim Buss trades Bynum for any player not named Dwight Howar...
Jun 07th 2012
130
      Niether do I, and it's a shame.
Jun 07th 2012
131
DWAde and Chris Bosh for Kobe and Pau (c) SAS
Jun 07th 2012
132
damn this nigga KG playing out of our price range!
Jun 07th 2012
133
the more i think about it, the more Gasol for Iggy makes the most sense
Jun 26th 2012
135
this is a damn good deal for Philly and Milly. La ......not so much
Jun 26th 2012
136
      oh im over that trade, i was just throwing it out there cuz i like Monta
Jun 26th 2012
137
           yup kobe and iggy are close friends too
Jun 26th 2012
138
Atlanta rejected a Gasol for Josh Smith deal (swipe)
Jul 02nd 2012
139
They rejected it because we asked for another major piece (prob Teague)
Jul 02nd 2012
141
      yea, I can read.
Jul 02nd 2012
142
           lol, LA2Philly a.k.a. Captain Obvious
Jul 02nd 2012
143

theeraser
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1. "Terrible deal for LA. Just awful."
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2. "not if we get KG"
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7. "So it's a terrible deal."
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If KG does return, I can't imagine he's going to go to the Celtics arch-rival and do it for the MLE.

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8. "Lamar's out there too"
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16. "I hope you're not comparing KG to Lamar"
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And I highly doubt Lamar is willing to go back to the Lakers. Sounds like he's trying to get back to NYC.

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18. "no of course not but Lamar will be cheaper."
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although i have no idea what type of salary KG will be looking for next year...but i dont think he takes more money to join a team with no legit shot at a title.

>And I highly doubt Lamar is willing to go back to the Lakers.
>Sounds like he's trying to get back to NYC.

Lamar's wife and family are in LA

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19. "All the more reason to go to NY."
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3. "Monta fucking Ellis?"
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No.

And KG ain't coming, either.

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4. "Why would 76ers trade their best player + top scorer for a 3rd tier big?"
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>Philly gets: MVPau, Steve Blake, Drew Gooden.
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>Milwaukee gets: Iggy, World Peace, Sessions
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>Lakers get: Monta Ellis, Lou Willz.

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5. "well obviously Philly doesn't feel that he's a 3rd tier big."
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with Pau they can clear Brand's contract and after the draft and free agency they'll be a better team. lets be honest, they should've been a 1st round exit this year.

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14. "Why not? Didn't they see Pau when he was in Memphis?"
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I thought it was obvious to anyone who saw him in Memphis that he's 3rd tier.

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6. "Wolves"
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Derrick Williams and Peck as the centerpieces, maybe a Ridnour/ Blake swap or something to sweeten the deal/ make the salaries work if needed.

Pau gets to play w/ Rubio and get away from LA, Wolves get a better player to go with Love than they've ever had, Williams gets to come home and get out from behind Love, and Peck gives LA Bynum insurance.

  

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13. "Gasol for Love"
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<<<<<<<TALK TO THE HAND, BITCHES!!!

  

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55. "Bynum for Beasley's weed and Martell's cognac stash?"
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Love for Gasol? Even Kahn hangs up laughing on that phone call.

  

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9. "lol @ that wack ass trade nm"
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10. "damn niggas aint feeling my trade....FOH"
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this is a good deal thats saves us a ton of money. we'd have to sign some bigs but that would still be the case had the CP3 trade went through since we were losing 2 PF's for one PG. adding Lou Willz alone improves our bench and Monta and Kobe can coexist imo. then we sign that bum Lamar to a cheap deal and we're good to go.

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17. "I'm not Dr. Buss and therefore I gives no fucks about money."
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Why do I care if he saves money?

I don't.

It's a wack trade.

KG ain't coming. He wouldn't come here 5 years ago at the tail end of his prime, and there's only been bad blood since then. It ain't happening.

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22. "RE: I'm not Dr. Buss and therefore I gives no fucks about money."
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>Why do I care if he saves money?

probably because everyone knows the Lakers want to shed salary?

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>It's a wack trade.
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>KG ain't coming. He wouldn't come here 5 years ago at the tail
>end of his prime, and there's only been bad blood since then.
>It ain't happening.

i really dont think its that farfetched but even if it was there are still other bigs out there, Lamar, Jordan Hill, Ilyasova, Bass, Landry.

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23. "I think the money part is important"
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If you're trying to consider real options for trades. Although, because your deal relies on the Lakers signing a legit PF (who will cost most of, if not all of the MLE), it won't take them under the lux tax. They'll be at 66 million but it will cost more than 4 million to fill out the roster.

Also, just looking at it, I'm not sure if the other teams would go for the financials.

Honestly, it's not as terrible a deal as people are making it out to be but I like Monta more than most.

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51. "Oh, and the Bucks can't amnesty Metta"
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You can only amnesty contracts that were on your books BEFORE the strike. So anyone signed after the lockout or anyone acquired in trade can not be amnestied.

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11. "you don't trade big for small unless you're getting back a Deron or CP3...."
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and even then its dicey

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24. "i'll take a downgrade at PF if it comes with a downgrade in salary and"
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a big upgrade in the backcourt and off the bench.

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30. "I don't see how swapping Gasol for 2 small ass guards that don't defend...."
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is going to make us any better, I'd rather keep what we got.

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56. "this isn't an option, Gasol is too expensive."
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>I'd rather keep what we got.

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12. "You sure you don't wanna sign Radman?"
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15. "I was going to throw together a post about this last night"
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for the ol' blog but the Celtics had me so disgusted that I didn't want to talk hoops anymore.

Spitballing the A through I teams of the Eastern Conference for now:

Atlanta: I think Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for Gasol and Ebanks makes some sense for both teams. Josh wants out, Marvin's overpaid, Gasol is a better complement to Horford IMO. Yes, the Hawks would be better off trading Joe Johnson but I'm not sure they're going to get fair value in return for that contract. Might as well continue to win games and get some playoff money for a couple of years.

Detroit: Gordon/Stuckey, Prince, and the lotto pick for Gasol? Haggling over Stuckey vs. Gordon would probably destroy the deal unless Kupchak has a hard-on for Ben or if Lakers really love someone at #7 (if the Pistons get a top three pick, they won't give it up for Gasol.)

Indiana: West, Collison/Hill, and Psycho T for Gasol? It's a lot to give up but if the Pacers are going to re-sign Hibbert and George they aren't going to be able to re-sign all those guys as well. Granger for Gasol is another option but I don't think the young guys are ready to carry the load and Gasol might be too old to do the heavy lifting. It'd be a step back and by the time they'd want to do a step up, Pau would be either too old or would have left via free agency.

Don't really see anyone else in that group really working unless Deron Williams demands a trade to LA (even then, Bynum seems to be what BK would want back).

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20. "dts"
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<<<<<<<TALK TO THE HAND, BITCHES!!!

  

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21. "Discerning Trade Speculation?"
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26. "Damn That's (good) Swap?"
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28. "Dismiss ThaTruth's Snark? Dude's Too Sad 'bout Dat Thunder Superiority!"
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84. "Those are actually pretty good"
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>Atlanta: I think Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for Gasol and
>Ebanks makes some sense for both teams. Josh wants out,
>Marvin's overpaid, Gasol is a better complement to Horford
>IMO. Yes, the Hawks would be better off trading Joe Johnson
>but I'm not sure they're going to get fair value in return for
>that contract. Might as well continue to win games and get
>some playoff money for a couple of years.

That's not a bad one, I thought about Smith but isn't his deal up after the year? I remember his signing the same year as Brand. Lakers get more athletic, Hawks make out very well getting a post presence.



>Detroit: Gordon/Stuckey, Prince, and the lotto pick for Gasol?
>Haggling over Stuckey vs. Gordon would probably destroy the
>deal unless Kupchak has a hard-on for Ben or if Lakers really
>love someone at #7 (if the Pistons get a top three pick, they
>won't give it up for Gasol.)

That's kind of a lame one. I really don't think the Lakers are looking for a pick as return. They reloading, not rebuilding.


>Indiana: West, Collison/Hill, and Psycho T for Gasol? It's a
>lot to give up but if the Pacers are going to re-sign Hibbert
>and George they aren't going to be able to re-sign all those
>guys as well. Granger for Gasol is another option but I don't
>think the young guys are ready to carry the load and Gasol
>might be too old to do the heavy lifting. It'd be a step back
>and by the time they'd want to do a step up, Pau would be
>either too old or would have left via free agency.

Indiana was literally the first team I thought of given that they are a player away. That said, I don't know that they get any better dealing West and either of their PGs, lateral move IMO. They need to find a perimeter scorer in the draft and get another plugger underneath IMO.

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25. "Lakers/Bulls/Bobcats"
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Lakers get Tyrus Thomas, Deng, Bobcats Draft Pick from Chi
Bobcats get Boozer, MWP, Bulls and Lakers 1st Rounders
Bulls get Gerald Henderson, Gasol





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27. "Sessions and Pau for Bubbles, Kenneth Faried and Javal Magee...."
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numbers probably don't add up, but whatever.

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35. "I think Faried's the deal breaker."
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Nuggets and their fans love him. I could see the GM refusing to part with him for two years of Gasol.

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57. "I'm not even a Nug's fan and Faried is already 1 of my fave players"
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to watch... dude HUSTLES HARD...

  

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73. "Yeah, I hear that. If I'm the Nuggets, I don't do that trade......."
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but to me that's the kind of trade LA needs to shoot for. You have Faried and Mcgee, who can both play PF. Both guys block shots and rebound. Both guys aren't expecting the rock, but will have many opportunities to get garbage buckets playing next to Bubbles, Bynum and Kobe. Both guys are young and improving.

Then you have Andre Miller, who can handle the rock and distribute. He can hit open jumpers when Kobe and Bynum get doubled. He can run the break and he's a vet who steps up in big games. To me, this is a pretty damn good trade for the Lakers.

For the Nuggets, not so much. Gasol is declining and pathetic at times. Sessions is okay, but unless no one's paying attention to him, he's a rather average PG. They'd basically be hoping Gasol is just in a drought playing next to a chucking Kobe and a healthy Bynum.

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31. "to HOU for lowry, scola, maybe parsons?"
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and houston resigns dragic.

dragic
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lakers start:

lowry
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33. "Why would Houston's offer get better than last year?"
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They love Parsons and Lowry (rightfully so), don't want KevMart (ditto).

I'd be surprised if they went over Scola, KevMart, and Marcus Morris. The disappearing act in the playoffs combined with his stating he didn't want to go to Houston (during the CP3 fiasco) makes Lowry and Parsons seem like no gos for any deal.

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36. "The one reason is bc Dragic balled the eff out."
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He's a starter in the league. The question is do they want to pay two point gaurds who can't play together (niether can gaurd the 2) or sacrifice one to get a player they are very high on in Pau.

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39. "That doesn't mean they're just going to add in Lowry in Gasol deal"
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They didn't know what they had in Dragic (Morey's math doesn't work so well with bench guys like Dragic, Hill, etc.) and the main part of the deal was KevMart and Scola. They aren't going to now upgrade their offer to include Lowry in place of KevMart (nevermind throwing Parsons in.)

KevMart, Scola, and Marcus Morris go out for Pau and then they see if they can't move Lowry and maybe Dalembert's expiring for someone.

Also, financially, how much Dragic is going to get paid will affect the decision since they'd be adding payroll with Gasol.

The proposed offer is probably what Houston would offer for Bynum, not Gasol.

EDIT: I wouldn't be stunned if Lowry and Scola went out for Gasol; I just think it would be a lousy deal since Gasol isn't going to make that big of a difference and will likely be gone in two years whereas a conference rival would be getting a decent enough PF replacement and filling a huge void at the PG spot.

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42. "RE: That doesn't mean they're just going to add in Lowry in Gasol deal"
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>They didn't know what they had in Dragic (Morey's math
>doesn't work so well with bench guys like Dragic, Hill, etc.)
>and the main part of the deal was KevMart and Scola. They
>aren't going to now upgrade their offer to include Lowry in
>place of KevMart (nevermind throwing Parsons in.)

Can't use the previous deal to judge what exactly Houston is or isn't willing to offer and what we are or aren't willing to accept in return because there's no CP3 involved obviously. Dragic's emergence has obviously changed things for Houston and we'll see just how high they are on Pau.

I'm not saying they will include Lowry or Dragic but a direct deal is a bit different because we may not value a Martin/Scola package as highly as CP3 and thus pushback for more.

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43. "I think you can use it to judge Houston's side"
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Whether or not LA wants what Houston is offering is the unknown (well, probably known since the deal didn't go down as a straight trade.)

Lowry was seen as untouchable before he got sick and we've now seen what an unhappy Gasol looks like. Again, it could go down since I don't have much faith in Morey but I think that would be a coup for Los Angeles.

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44. "RE: I think you can use it to judge Houston's side"
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>Whether or not LA wants what Houston is offering is the
>unknown (well, probably known since the deal didn't go down as
>a straight trade.)

That was obviously before this latest early elimination. Pau wasn't getting dealt unless a stud pg (Lowry) was included and that wasn't happening.

>Lowry was seen as untouchable before he got sick and we've now
>seen what an unhappy Gasol looks like. Again, it could go down
>since I don't have much faith in Morey but I think that would
>be a coup for Los Angeles.

And before Dragic emerged as a clear starter. Also, Pau's happiness wasn't really an issue this year but it's more that he's clearly playing out of his strength zone. He's not a pnr, spot-up spacer 4. He's very effective if he consistently gets touches on the block and that wasn't happening with Bynum's emergence.

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52. "houston's offer would likely only decrease in quality now"
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this is the thing, not only did lakers have foresight because they saw they were dead against dallas--in the year-early-not-year-late sense--they also now find themselves in a spot where the league knows these guys are available and that they are under pressure to make a big move.

i could not see them going much above scola/martin. it would take competition to force a point guard in and i don't think that they are THAT hard up for gasol anyway.

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69. "RE: houston's offer would likely only decrease in quality now"
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>this is the thing, not only did lakers have foresight because
>they saw they were dead against dallas--in the
>year-early-not-year-late sense--they also now find themselves
>in a spot where the league knows these guys are available and
>that they are under pressure to make a big move.

This pressure and availability existed after last season's sweep as well...and even with that, it would have resulted in CP3 if not for the veto. If you have talent and a very good GM, you can still work out mutually beneficial deals.
>
>i could not see them going much above scola/martin. it would
>take competition to force a point guard in and i don't think
>that they are THAT hard up for gasol anyway.

It depends on the latter point and it also depends on what Dragic re-signs for imo. It doesn't make sense for them to tie up a substantial cap amount in two pg's who can't play together for defensive reasons so unless they can find a deal they like for Lowry somewhere else or let Dragic walk (and in that case, they would prob use him as trade bait rather than let him), then it's a possibility. Not saying it will happen but I'm saying there are some unique pressures that Houston faces because of Dragic's emergence and Morey's well-known admiration for Pau.

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88. "RE: houston's offer would likely only decrease in quality now"
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>This pressure and availability existed after last season's
>sweep as well...and even with that, it would have resulted in
>CP3 if not for the veto. If you have talent and a very good
>GM, you can still work out mutually beneficial deals.

Not even CLOSE to this level. If you had to bet on June 15 of last year whether or not Pau would be traded, the odds would have favored his not being dealt. This year that isn't the case.

He's also a year older in a season where his production dropped a little.

So, yes, his value is lower now than it was one year ago.



>It depends on the latter point and it also depends on what
>Dragic re-signs for imo. It doesn't make sense for them to
>tie up a substantial cap amount in two pg's who can't play
>together for defensive reasons so unless they can find a deal
>they like for Lowry somewhere else or let Dragic walk (and in
>that case, they would prob use him as trade bait rather than
>let him), then it's a possibility. Not saying it will happen
>but I'm saying there are some unique pressures that Houston
>faces because of Dragic's emergence and Morey's well-known
>admiration for Pau.


I can't remember if I said it in this thread or what (deleted my own comments to save space/confusion here) but like I said the highest I could see would be Scola and a point but that doesn't unload Martin, which I think they would be looking to do.

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54. "That was my dream trade. But no way Houston gives all that up."
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79. "Well this certainly won't hurt (Lowry wants out)"
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I still think Lowry/Scola ia a lot and Parsons is off limits but this could force their hand a bit.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221236/Lowry_Believes_He_Cant_Coexist_With_McHale

Kyle Lowry believes he and Kevin McHale can no longer coexist.

Lowry underwent surgery to repair a sports hernia and torn abductor muscles three weeks ago and briefly returned to the Toyota Center on Friday.

“I don’t think so,” Lowry said about whether he and McHale can continue. “I honestly think it would be tough. Things have to be addressed. The situation would have to be addressed.

“If things aren’t addressed coaching-wise, I guess I have to be moved.”

McHale believed he worked well with Lowry.

“That’s very surprising,” McHale said. “I didn’t think we had too much of a problem coexisting this year. Everybody has a little beef every once in a while. I didn’t feel like (there were problems). He apparently did.

“There were times that we didn’t agree on things. There were times that I got on him. I don’t think it was unduly harsh on anybody.”

Daryl Morey believes the relationship can be salvaged.

“I think Kyle and coach McHale are both winners and both competitive guys,” Morey said. “I don’t anticipate any issues going forward.”

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80. "Force that hand Kyle! "
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59. "HOU has the #14 and #16 picks...?"
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I think one of those picks instead of one of the players in your trade would be more attractive for salary reasons

some combo of players and one of the picks from HOU should get it done

They could give up Lowry and Scola w/one of those picks for Pau

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72. "nigga houston isnt here to fkng please the lakers"
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wtf is wrong with yawl?? niggas in here putting the perfect scenario together for the lakers and shit..like yeah this what houston ought to do...nigga FUCK the lakers cuzz

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90. "Didn't the post say "put together your best deals? "
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>wtf is wrong with yawl??

wtf is wrong with YOU? Can you read?

>niggas in here putting the perfect
>scenario together for the lakers and shit

That was the point of the thread. You do realize this, right?

Oh and this deal is nowhere near as outlandish as you've made it seem.

  

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32. "Eh, I am not big on the "savings" angle there"
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For Lakers ownership, sure, it's attractive, but doesn't do that much to make the team better. You're banking on a big name signing for the MLE, that could happen anyway.

Trading Gasol for Ellis is not going to make their team any better.

Getting Gasol at the cost of the Sixers best player and cutting Brand to get enough money to sign an overpriced fifth-tier big guy is not going to make the Sixers better.

Just not a ton of possibilities out there really.

You're looking at dealing Gasol to a good team for a guard IMO.

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34. "you sure Philly wont be better?"
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>Getting Gasol at the cost of the Sixers best player and
>cutting Brand to get enough money to sign an overpriced
>fifth-tier big guy is not going to make the Sixers better.
>

Jrue, Turner, Young, and Gasol is a nice group plus you'll have cap space to resign Hawes and Lavoy Allen and add other pieces to improve the roster. you're really telling me that you wouldnt be better than an 8 seed? in the East?! lol please.


>For Lakers ownership, sure, it's attractive, but doesn't do
>that much to make the team better. You're banking on a big
>name signing for the MLE, that could happen anyway.
>
>Trading Gasol for Ellis is not going to make their team any
>better.

i think it depends on which big we aquire to play major minutes alongside Bynum. for instance i think with a back court of Ellis and Kobe, Lamar up front with Bynum and Lou Willz and Jordan Hill off the bench, YES, thats a better team.

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37. "I dont want Gasol on this team"
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a fading big isn't going to help us.

the team needs to be built for the present AND future, Gasol is just a waste of money.

I wouldn't waste the amnesty on Brand either, he's may be soon with his deal expiring and if not, it makes more sense to keep him and let him expire.

They should trade Iggy though, while his value is at an all-time high, and feature Evan, Jrue, and Thad to see what they can do as the featured players before extensions come up for the first two.

But Iggy should only be traded for young potential or an expiring deal, Gasol's not going to put them over the top or anything.

Then with that cap space go after a FAgent or trade for someone that can be the missing piece/franchise player.

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40. "I disagree in part"
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Trading Iggy while his value is high, well, we won't get better return than Gasol for him. He is finally earning his money, he is a leader and the things he does best are what makes the team successful right now.

No to Gasol, well, if he were available as a cap dump (e.g. for Brand, not going to happen, just an exanple) I'd be all over it. Really if the price were right, something as high as Young and Williams. Tough to move Lou but they need to upgrade at the scoring spot anyway, hopefully from within as Jrue and Turner improve.

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38. "Think about it, we take out two starters (3 finishers) for Gasol"
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and SCRAPS. Steve Blake has ZERO value to the Sixers. Gooden is the kind of player that can be acquired for no asset or a marginal asset.

Thad Young is an important player off the bench, now we have to start him and extend his minutes which has not worked in the past.

Brand is not worth his salary but he's worth half of it or a little more. Still a valuable player to give away for nothing. Also, why would we amnesty him? As an expiring deal, he FINALLY has some sort of value if they decide to trade him. I would probably just let his deal expire, depending on whether or not it would mean actual cap space next summer.

Iguodala has stepped up. He has never been as bad as his detractors said. He is the victim of false expectation. Had the team been managed better and he fallen in line as a near max (but not max) player, he would have been considered a pleasant surprise and a fan favorite. Since he was the only respectable player on the roster, he cashed out and got responsibility he was never meant to handle, along with the derision that accompanies unrealistic expectations.

He is the team's leader, he does what the situation calls for as we have seen repeatedly in these playoffs. He has finished off big games. With a dunk once, going to the line another time, a three yet another time.

He takes pride in doing certain things consistently, important things for the team. Namely playing man defense and getting out on the break. Those are critical to the Sixers, all they do is play defense and run. They need to ADD a post presence, not substitute it for the centerpiece of their team.

If you had Lou Williams in this deal, too, you're all but GUTTING the team to get Gasol and an open-market free agent. That's the worst kind of acquisition in virtually any sport, definitely in the NBA.

So yes, I am pretty sure Gasol is not worth ditching three significant players. That's especially true because we are really not that close and he is not young. It makes ZERO sense for the Sixers and makes them a worse team.

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41. "i wouldn't give up anything but iggy and vucevic/hawes."
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no thad, no ducksauce, no nothing.

according to trade machine, that works ($18.7 for $15.2). iggy and gasol have the same years left on their contracts, so the sixers aren't taking on any new commitment. as integral as iggy has been, you're sacrificing talent at a position of strength in order to completely change the dynamic of the front court. i find it pretty funny that people are suddenly reluctant to exchange a guy they were begging to dump earlier this year for one of the top three centers in basketball. like, seriously? but if people are thinking that way, maybe there's a chance the lakers are too.

  

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47. "lol, surely Iggy & Lou Willz is fair value for MVPau"
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49. "I guess that's the better question for this post: What's Pau's value?"
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Obviously a lot depends on how people value other players (for instance, I like Iggy and don't think that's a terrible deal talent-wise.)

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53. "three years ago, it certainly was"
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three years ago, the lakers were champions and lebron had what vaguely resembled a head of hair.

things change a lot in three years.

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58. "talent-wise, of course."
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but willz is a restricted free agent, so adding him and the $8M he'll probably make would mean philly has to take back around $22M from the lakers. and philly would be giving up both their best defensive guard and their best offensive guard, essentially gutting the team of all but their youngest (and least proven) perimeter players.

i don't see that deal making philly significantly better in the short term or long term: turner and jrue aren't ready to be the primary distributors/perimeter players on a contender, and pau won't be there if and when they are. in a vacuum, i'd rather have pau than iggy/willz, but that's different than reality.

gun to my head, i probably do the deal, but it would necessitate a bunch of bold win-now moves, like amnestying elton and trying to sign marquee FAgents.

  

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76. "marquee FAs? plural? would have space for ONE guy, not a max either"
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it's a dumb ass idea.

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45. "what about Gasol for Horford straight up?"
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who'd get the better end of that deal?

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46. "Doesn't work financially but Lakers would win IMO"
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I think Gasol's a better player than Horford but Al's younger and hungrier, costs 7 million less, is signed for longer, and is just about to enter his prime whereas Pau is at the end of his.

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48. "Lakers easily, younger player, better rebounder"
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To me the only way to build around Kobe on the fly is to put together a team like the Cavs or Sixers had with their big guns. A bunch of grunts who can all defend and rebound. If they had one guy who could shoot and one guy who could post up they would be ahead of the game on those two teams.

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50. "I LOVE THIS TRADE"
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60. "keep gasol ..trade that idiot bynum.."
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61. "http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7b4ngdc"
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7b4ngdc

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-long-and-late-movie-show/id498789655

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62. "lololol dam"
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63. "RE: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7b4ngdc"
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qjj4ft

After leaving out the 2-3 most important players this could probably be done with any team..

  

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81. "http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bp2dru"
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bp2dru

  

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82. "lakers should really do this one:"
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82ev3m6

  

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64. "Back the fuck up with that KG shit n/m."
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67. "KG wouldn't go there anyway. Dude is pure loyal"
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Hw knows that's the enemy. And I'm pretty sure he's coming back to Boston for at least one more year at a very reduced cost.

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68. "People forget he spent his prime sitting in Minny...he's loyal. "
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140. "please change your avi"
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google chrome is bugging out not trusting that domain.

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65. "pau for rashard lewis."
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mike brown gets the tall three-point shooter he seems to want and/or the lakers save lots of money. the wizards get the frontcourt the rockets wanted, and daryl morey can feel better as he watches nene and pau grow old elsewhere. pau will be off the books if (sigh, okay, *when*) it's time to blow the wizards up again.

  

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66. "The best trade is"
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The best trade is with Miami

Gasol for Bosh - the trade helps both teams but its far too sensible for it to happen.

I expect the Lakers to move Gasol this summer. The only reason he will suit up again for them is if Bynum is traded for Howard and I don't see that happening as it seems Dwight wants Brooklyn.

  

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75. "If I'm Miami, I'm not giving up Bosh for Pau straight up. "
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I'd make the Lakeshow toss in Sessions or Jordan Hill too. Preferably Jordan Hill.

If I'm Miami, and LA is willing to part with Sessions or Jordan Hill along with Pau, I'd offer D Wade before Bosh.

That would make Lebron the clear #1 option (which he should be at this point in his career) and you get 2 guys in return that can play PF or center at times (Hill and Pau), or you get a solid PG and a good PF (Sessions and Pau), 2 positions that Miami needs and you rid yourself of D Wade, his inconsistencies and his injuries.

Cause more than likely, if you ship Bosh and keep D wade, you'll end up playing 2 on 12 for a good portion of next season, when Wade takes his annual leave of absence. And on top of that, I don't expect D Wade to play that much longer in the league. He doesn't strike me as a player that is going to stick around as long as Kobe and KG and players like that. I can totally see him bowing out sooner than later.

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87. "That Wade scenario is far fetched but I agree with the first part"
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Bosh fits what Miami wants to do more than Gasol and he is younger.

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99. "Nah. If I'm Miami, I'd rather trade Wade out of the big 3"
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preferably to Orlando.

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70. "We aren't looking to shed money in a deal "
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In the CP3 deal, we would have had 3 near max deals on the books, and we were willing to deal for Beas at the trading deadline as well (and it would have gone through if not for Minny's owner rejecting it).

I know the new CBA rules/conditionals are starting to kick in but I've seen nothing that says we aren't willing to pay for the right players. Obviously, we don't want to be in that triple-penalty area but we need to spread Pau's money around for at least 2 perimeter players.

The lucrative cable deal with TWC kicks in next year as well. I think Mitch is looking to stay around this salary number while improving the team.

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94. "wrong."
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for this year and next year that chris paul trade woulda saved us over 20 mil.

>In the CP3 deal, we would have had 3 near max deals on the
>books,

chris paul making 18+ million in 2013 is fine because he's chris paul, whats not fine is paying that same amount to a 33 year old Pau Gasol.

and we basically have 3 max deals NOW with 3 guys making over 60 mil total. being this much over the luxury tax is acceptable if we are WINNING. but we aren't anymore. so its time to make some moves and i think the Busses will try to take this opportunity to knock down that cap number.

and we were willing to deal for Beas at the trading
>deadline as well (and it would have gone through if not for
>Minny's owner rejecting it).

that was after we unloaded puke walton's contract.

>
>I know the new CBA rules/conditionals are starting to kick in
>but I've seen nothing that says we aren't willing to pay for
>the right players. Obviously, we don't want to be in that
>triple-penalty area but we need to spread Pau's money around
>for at least 2 perimeter players.

we're getting 2 perimeter players, two damn good ones, but in this case we'll actually be under the luxury tax so we'll have more money for FA and to retain anyone we want to keep.

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71. "Not sure what specific deal you can get for Pau...but"
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I look at it like this..

the Lakers would certainly like to add Deron Williams...or another impact player like that...

I look at it this way....you lose Gasol, Artest, Barnes, Sessions(who would have to be part of a sign and trade) or possibly Blake.... but if you lose all those guys through trades and an amnesty on Artest.... you have to figure out a way to get back Deron Williams a SF and a PF.....through FA signings or trades/sign&trades...

I could see a scenario where Deron Williams and Michael Beasley could be 2 of the pieces....and a possible vet sigining at a lower price.... I think the Lakers have solid options in Jordan Hill and Devin Ebanks...and Goudlock showed spots this year that he can be a decent players coming off the bench...

either way I look for Mitch to make multiple moves where we'll see up to 4 guys leave with 3 guys coming back through various moves and signings...

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74. "LOL @ these deals..."
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There is no way they can sell laker fans on anything other getting Deron and Howard. Period.

So all these other small deals won't work. LOL

Besides, I'm cool on iggy for any variation of a pau deal. As a sixer fan I'm past all these halfass deals. This little run has changed nothing.

  

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77. "There is an outstanding Free Agency this summer."
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All teams will improve themselves.

Not many trades will be needed.

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78. "A. Not really B. Most teams don't have cap space"
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This year is good for point guards but beyond that most of the talent is restricted and the big men crop isn't that great. The two best (KG and Duncan) probably won't go anywhere (well, KG might retire).

And in terms of the Lakers, they have no cap space so free agency doesn't really matter because they'll still have to find a way to work a sign-and-trade.

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85. "Why do people keep saying that? Also, Lakers ain't signing no damn FAs"
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lol

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89. "Why not?"
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The legitimacy of the new agreements are "Settle for less, achieve more".


As any sportsman should have as a moral value.

That achievements are much more valuable than money.


Just a few players from the Free Agency are :

Chauncey Billups

Deron Williams

Steve Nash

Kirk Heinrich

Jason Kidd

Jason Terry

Leandro Barbosa

Andre Miller

Jamal Crawford

Ray Allen

Josh Howard

Marco Bellineli

O.J. Mayo

Gerald Wallace

Grant Hill

Steve Novak

Matt Barnes

Antwan Jamison (Best available Free Agent im my eyes)

Elton Brand

Ersan Ilyasova

Brandon Bass

Vladimir Radmanovic

Spencer Hawes

Omer Asik

Mehmet Okur

JaVale McGee

Chris Kaman


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I know that a few on this list are restricted,...yet still...these are players that can help any team.



Whats wrong with this list?

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91. "Because they don't have cap space, Professor Lenny Poffo!"
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With your fake ass wisdom, FOH.


I was gonna through guy by buy but when I realized your just pasted the list without regard to situation, status (RFA or UFA), salary, etc, I thought, "Why bother?"

Have fun signing Antawn Jamison!

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93. "I think that certain players will make sacrifices"
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In order to achieve goals.

We will see what happens.

In the meantime, choke on your cynicism.

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83. "Elton Brand, Jodie Meeks & a bag of skittles"
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86. "PHILLY LOST!!!! NOOOOPEE!!! YALL NEED A BIG MAN!!!!"
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MVPAU TO SAVE THE DAY!!!!

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95. "Because our history with newly acquired PFs over 29 is so great"
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<-- I JUST ORDERED ME SUM WINGS & A SAMMACH? YEAAAA BOI!
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98. "bolsa consoladar?"
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92. "Gasol and Bynum for Gasol and Randolph"
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96. "La gets: josh smith, and a 2nd "
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Atl gets: pau + expiring Tract

  

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97. "we already got a guy taking 20 foot fade aways in crunch time"
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we dont need another one

Coolidge Rotation:


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100. "so Gasol wants to play for Chicago..."
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Deng would look nice in the purple and gold

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101. "they ain't goin' nowhere just swapping out Deng-for-Pau"
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103. "like i said, any Pau trade should be a 3 team deal"
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lakers, bulls, bucks.

LA gets Monta and Deng, Bulls get Pau, Steve Blake, and Drew Gooden, Bucks get Boozer, World Peace, and Chicago's 1st rounder.

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104. "THAT I'd do in a fucking heartbeat. "
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>LA gets Monta and Deng, Bulls get Pau, Steve Blake, and Drew
>Gooden, Bucks get Boozer, World Peace, and Chicago's 1st
>rounder.

  

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106. "the Lakers go nowhere swapping out Pau for Monta & Deng either"
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>lakers, bulls, bucks.
>
>LA gets Monta and Deng, Bulls get Pau, Steve Blake, and Drew
>Gooden, Bucks get Boozer, World Peace, and Chicago's 1st
>rounder.

  

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109. "lol okay now you're just being ridiculous."
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Let's not overrate Pau now, we would be a deeper and better team, no question about it. when you look around the league it's become an era of dynamic wing players more so than big men partly because it's easier to deny and double big men than it is a perimeter player, so a gameplan to take the ball out of a bigs hands is easier to execute than a plan to slow down a big time scorer on the perimeter, which takes more effort.

if you dont want a big to beat you, getting the ball out of his hands is much easier than getting it out of Westbrook or Melo's hands, your wings can get their own shot, attack and create for themselves or others, leak out for easy baskets in transition, etc etc. they dont need to rely on teammates to throw a perfect entry pass. it would help Kobe big time to have another shot creator and playmaker on the wing to help him, lol i mean shit he's getting up there in age and he's been the lone playmaker on his team for like the last 8 years (Lamar's inconsistent low IQ ass don't count), so it's about time.

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120. "it's funny you're talkin Westbrook, Melo, etc & then thinking Deng/Monta"
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is somehow gonna be enough with an aging Kobe to win a title.

That team wouldn't win shit.

  

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134. "Monta/Kobe/Deng/Bynum with Sessions off the bench is a squad!"
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107. "lol wut"
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so the bucks give up monta and gooden in order to receive boozer, MWP and a shitty pick. can we stop fictional three-deals where the third team is involved as a depository for garbage?

  

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108. "lol. you've been throwing out pretty bad trade ideas in this"
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>LA gets Monta and Deng, Bulls get Pau, Steve Blake, and Drew
>Gooden, Bucks get Boozer, World Peace, and Chicago's 1st
>rounder.

Yes, the Bulls are going to trade Boozer, a prime Luol Deng, and a first rounder for an aging/regressing Pau, Drew Gooden, and Kirk Hinrich Jr.

Please keep in mind that Pau is old and not that good when putting together your dream trade scenarios.

  

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110. "well I only threw in Booz cuz I figured bulls fans wanted to rid the tea..."
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of his contract. and I know Pau isn't that good, but I also know that Deng alone wouldn't be enough to steal him from LA, at least not in Kupcheck's eyes.

>Yes, the Bulls are going to trade Boozer, a prime Luol Deng,
>and a first rounder for an aging/regressing Pau, Drew Gooden,
>and Kirk Hinrich Jr.
>
>Please keep in mind that Pau is old and not that good when
>putting together your dream trade scenarios.
>

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112. "Bulls should/would take that ASAP, Booz couldnt get u Brand right now"
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111. "Pau's 31 w/mininal injury history, just lost his role w/his current team"
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Part of that being because the Lakers are one of two teams in the league that have a center that you might consider a post-option over him.

He would be a God's Send to the Bulls in helping get them something resembling a real offense.

LOL @ acting like getting a player of his caliber for a 'prime' (a swingman with one non-injury season in the past five that the Sixers wouldn't even trade you for Iguodala) and Boozer (whose contract actually makes him a hindrance/salary dump) is somehow the Bulls getting short-shrift.

  

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113. "Getting back Drew Gooden and Steve Blake in that deal is laughable."
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I'm very willing to part with Deng and Booz. But they're worth more than Pau, Pau's contract (19mil/3 years), and two scrubs. We would also forgo our right to amnesty Boozer (or Gasol). I would prefer to keep my amnesty options open with aging/regressing big men.

The Bulls aren't a contender next year. Not sure bringing on Pau and his extra 5 mil is a good idea.

  

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119. "the Bulls aren't a contender next year? y'all rebuilding?"
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>I'm very willing to part with Deng and Booz. But they're
>worth more than Pau, Pau's contract (19mil/3 years), and two
>scrubs. We would also forgo our right to amnesty Boozer (or
>Gasol). I would prefer to keep my amnesty options open with
>aging/regressing big men.
>
>The Bulls aren't a contender next year. Not sure bringing on
>Pau and his extra 5 mil is a good idea.
>
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127. "RE: the Bulls aren't a contender next year? y'all rebuilding?"
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A full season with Rose on the bench? Yep....

Chicago's greatest music artist?

Curtis Mayfield....And it ain't even close....

  

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102. "Sure, if Noah comes with him. "
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>Deng would look nice in the purple and gold

  

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105. "lakers fans: would you do iggy + vucevic for MVPau?"
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iggy (2 years, $13.5M)
vucevic (3 years, $1.6M, on rookie contract)
total: $15.2M in salary

MVPau (2 years, $18.7M)

works on trade machine. lakers cut $3.5M off cap while adding an elite perimeter defender and finisher, along with young/cheap euro backup center. sixers get an elite but aging big man. commitment on both players is the same in term of years.

  

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114. "Haven't read it, but this Insider is already making me mad as shit. "
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7993762&_slug_=four-potential-dwight-howard-trades-make-sense-nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fstory%3fid%3d7993762%26_slug_%3dfour-potential-dwight-howard-trades-make-sense-nba

Los Angeles Lakers
The deal: Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol to Orlando for Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Glen Davis

Hint, hint.

  

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115. "Nope.com. "
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Gotta keep one of em. And I think I prefer Pau but I dunno.

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116. "yeah, i agree."
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i just don't see the financial flexibility to do much when kobe makes $30M, howard makes $18M, turk makes $11M, MWP makes $8, davis makes $6 and blake/mcroberts make $7 combined. and that team isn't winning shit.

  

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117. "That would be absolutely silly"
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Still financially strapped because of Turkey and we deal our one piece in Pau who can get us some athleticism/shooting on the wing. That team wouldn't win.

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118. "This motherfucker has lost his shit."
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aka Here's the whole article swipe:

>Dwight Howard trade options

Creating four deals that would make sense for Magic, trading partners
Updated: June 1, 2012, 10:16 AM ET
By Tom Haberstroh | ESPN Insider

How much is Dwight Howard worth?

We might find out soon enough if he's traded. I know what you're thinking: "Haven't we heard that for the past two years?" While that might be true, it seems more likely than ever that he'll be dealt. The Orlando Magic front office has cleaned house by handing pink slips to general manager Otis Smith and head coach Stan Van Gundy, and there's a lot of uncertainty in the organization. And another season of Howard's hokey-pokey commitment might be too much to swallow.

We know Howard's credentials. He's probably one of the five best players in the NBA who also just happens to be entering his prime years as a basketball commodity. When engaged (and he might not have been all last season), he's easily the best defensive big man in the league, patrolling the pick-and-roll game, protecting the rim and gobbling up every miss in sight.

So you're getting a perennial defensive player of the year candidate who also happens to average 20 points per game. Here's a list of centers who can offer you that combination: Dwight Howard. That's it. As long as he's happy (which seems to be of utmost importance to his employer), he could be one of the two or three most valuable assets in the league.

So who would be interested? Just about everybody. Who would actually have the pieces to make it work? Here are four destinations that make sense.


Los Angeles Lakers
The deal: Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol to Orlando for Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Glen Davis

Here we have two desperate franchises with the contention clock ticking away. The window on Kobe Bryant being an elite player is closing soon, and the Lakers front office might feel the need to blow it up after two straight seasons of embarrassing exits in the playoffs. Going a combined 1-8 in the Western Conference semifinals these past two seasons just won't cut it.

Why would the Lakers give up both Bynum and Gasol? Because we might be headed for the most competitive bidding war in recent history, and they might not have any choice. The Carmelo Anthony sweepstakes would pale in comparison, considering the fact that Howard actually plays on two ends of the floor. There will be several teams in the hunt for Howard if he becomes available and the Lakers could have the most short-term and long-term talent to offer. The question is, does Howard want to play with Kobe?


Los Angeles Clippers
The deal: Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Mo Williams, Ryan Gomes and Eric Bledsoe to Orlando for Dwight Howard Hedo Turkoglu and J.J. Redick.

Now, this would be the real Lob City. And this would also infuriate their co-habitants of Staples Center, the Los Angeles Lakers. If Clippers decision-maker Neil Olshey could somehow turn Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon into Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, the executive of the year trophy should just be a bronze mini-sculpture of Olshey grinning on the phone.

It would also be quite a haul for the Magic. They get one of the top young big men in the league in Griffin, their point guard of the future in Bledsoe and some veteran pieces to fill out a playoff roster. Of course, this creates a glut at point guard, which could have been alleviated by the Magic using the amnesty provision on Jameer Nelson, but that already pushed that button on Gilbert Arenas.


Dallas Mavericks
The deal: Brook Lopez (signed), Shawn Marion, Rodrigue Beaubois, 2012 first-round pick, 2014 first for Howard and Davis

This is a tough one if Dallas doesn't want to part with Dirk Nowitzki. The Mavericks have always been tossed around as a possible destination for Howard, but unless they land a star free agent in a sign-and-trade, it's hard to see a possible deal. They have the cap space to land a big fish like Deron Williams, but in order to come up with enough assets to entice a deal, the Magic would want a star in return. Beaubois is promising, but a franchise player he is not. Lopez, if the Nets somehow don't match the offer, could be that guy to some.

The Mavericks could sign and deal a veteran like Kevin Garnett or Steve Nash, but it's unlikely that the Magic would want anything to do with players whose skills have an imminent expiration date. If this free-agent crop was as stacked as the summer of 2010, then the Mavericks could make a lot of sense. Right now, they just have to get super creative.


Houston Rockets

The deal: Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Chandler Parsons, 2012 first-round pick (from Knicks) for Howard and Turkoglu

Houston GM Daryl Morey might have lost some leverage when Lowry publically voiced his displeasure with coach Kevin McHale, but it makes it even more likely that he and not Goran Dragic will be the odd one out come next fall. Make no mistake about it: A healthy Lowry will be one of the top point guards in the league next season for his efforts on both ends of the floor. He might not be a household name, but he's the type of player GMs would covet, especially as he enters his prime.

Also working in the Rockets' favor is that they can take on Turkoglu's salary if they throw Scola and Martin (an expiring contract in 2012-13) into the deal. Rookie Parsons is already a league-average player, coming on hard in the second half of the season. It might not be Bledsoe, but Parsons is an NBA player. This haul would keep the Magic in the playoffs, while giving some long-term flexibility once Martin's contract comes off the books.

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121. "Thanks!"
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122. "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"
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Los Angeles Clippers
The deal: Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Mo Williams, Ryan Gomes and Eric Bledsoe to Orlando for Dwight Howard Hedo Turkoglu and J.J. Redick.


http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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123. "the clippers aint that fuckin stupid..."
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124. "NOT EVEN THE CLIPPERS make that trade"
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125. "who is this nigga Dwight Howard now, a young Shaq?"
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128. "Yeah that isn't happening. The Rockets trade is reasonable N/m"
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126. "good deal...y'all stay overrating them two big bitches"
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and bynum knees hotter than D12 back...they gonna blow sooner or later like low tread tires.

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129. "I'd see about trading Drew for Deron and keep Pau. "
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And see if there's some way to snag Brooke in the process, though that's a long shot.

I'm still uneasy about Drew getting a long term deal.

  

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130. "i dont think Jim Buss trades Bynum for any player not named Dwight Howar..."
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131. "Niether do I, and it's a shame. "
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Though, I'm hoping they'll at least try for a three-way deal (perhaps Lowry/Scola/Martin to Jersey?) offering Pau.

  

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132. "DWAde and Chris Bosh for Kobe and Pau (c) SAS"
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I just want to see it for pure comedy. DWade's almost done so it's almost a push. The Heat keep a big three. Fans around the globe get to hear Lebatard rant one more time.

It would be akin to Tony Blair and GWB coming together. I, for one, would relish the chance for Kobe to get his final ring.

It's not happening but if it did OKS would explode.

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133. "damn this nigga KG playing out of our price range!"
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LBs Finest
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135. "the more i think about it, the more Gasol for Iggy makes the most sense"
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i think both teams benefit, and if we can't convince philly to take Metta in the deal, we amnesty him and we're around 5 or 6 mil under the luxury tax. that means more money to offer KG or another big, more money for other pieces to fix our bench

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136. "this is a damn good deal for Philly and Milly. La ......not so much"
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giving up all your PGs , a top 3 PF, and a solid swing defender
for two undersized SGs who will make kobe's efficiency look like kevin durants?
iono bout that

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137. "oh im over that trade, i was just throwing it out there cuz i like Monta"
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i dont even know if Milwaukee is looking to deal ellis, though i dont know if him and jennings make up the right backcourt. but i think the lakers and sixers can work out a deal centered around iggy and pau.

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138. "yup kobe and iggy are close friends too"
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only thing is kobe would have even less help offensively
iggy can't create opportunities for shit. good stat stuffer/defender tho

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139. "Atlanta rejected a Gasol for Josh Smith deal (swipe)"
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we might not get a better offer for Pau than Smith.


The Hawks have known Josh Smith wants out of Atlanta for some time, but haven't really aggressively approached any deals until the last month or so. New GM Danny Ferry is interested in remaking the roster and so he's opened the phone lines finally.

One such offer reported a few days ago involved Pau Gasol. On Sunday, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that the reason the deal fell apart was due to the pricetag the Lakers are putting on Pau Gasol.

In addition to Johnson, the Hawks have been open to moving forward Josh Smith though they've resisted offers so far. Apparently the Hawks balked at a potential deal with the Lakers for Pau Gasol because L.A. wanted another major piece to go along with Smith. That would leave the Hawks with less than six players under contract, less talent, and no short-term cap relief because of the $38 million and two years remaining on Gasol's contract.

via Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry focused on salary cap ‘flexibility' with trades | Atlanta Hawks.

We'll examine this from both sides.

From the Hawks' perspective: The problem remains the same for the Hawks. Smith is too valuable to move for a loss on talent return, and not good enough to do what is necessary to placate him as a star. It's a tricky puzzle that the Hawks have found themselves in. Smith has honestly played worthy of an All-Star appearance the past two seasons.

He also has wanted a trade these past two seasons.

But it's good that they haven't just executed a trade for trade's sake. With Joe Johnson on the books, they have to be careful in not staying in a position where they have to still try and compete after giving up Smith for peanuts. They have to get good return.

Whatever the Lakers were seeking in return, Gasol is the one that is far more considered damaged goods while Smith's best years are in front of him. Wherever they move him, they seem to be invested in not simply giving away the farm.

The Hawks have never really put Smith at the top of their priorities list. When he entered restricted free agency a few years ago, they simply waited. And waited. And waited. Finally, the Grizzlies, with a few bucks left under the cap, threw out a moderate offer for Smith that was below maybe his true value. Smith signed it, hoping the Hawks wouldn't match.

They did.

They've been neither excited to have him, nor willing to part with him, ever since. Whether that's due to his maturity, his game, or his contract value is unknown. But Ferry has entered, and as Ken Berger notes, been aggressive in reshapig this team. The trick now is to find that delicate balance between ensuring they move him and not moving him for too little.

From the Lakers' perspective: Same old Lakers, expecting the highest price for whatever they've put out on the lawn.

It's not enough that they would get a younger, more athletic, more aggressive, All-Star worthy power forward entering his prime for a player that has been absolutely eclipsed in the past two playoffs, the Lakers have to demand that they get an additional piece. And in a lot of deals in the past, that's worked.

It's exerting maximum leverage to get the kind of sweetheart deal that has long kept them at the top of the league. In short, the Lakers are attempting to revamp their teams with All-Stars in exchange for, maybe not their trash, but their unwanted items. Their Craigslist star, so to speak.

If the Lakers really want to get a replacement for Gasol, they can do that pretty easily and get a quality player. But they can't get a haul. Gasol was considered at that tier 18 months ago. No longer.

The Lakers have made a lot of noise about keeping their team intact. It seems more and more like exertion of leverage. The Lakers are interested in reshaping their team, they're just very good at getting the absolute most out of whatever they put on the table.

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141. "They rejected it because we asked for another major piece (prob Teague)"
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It was never a 1 for 1 offer.

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142. "yea, I can read."
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>It was never a 1 for 1 offer.

not to mention I don't even think Pau for Smith straight up works. Regardless if it does eventually go down it will probably be a 3 team deal like most trades nowadays.

I would do it, we get younger, more athletic, and we shed salary. The sooner we move pau and get under the luxury tax, the sooner we'll have more money to sign free agents.

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143. "lol, LA2Philly a.k.a. Captain Obvious"
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<<<<<<<TALK TO THE HAND, BITCHES!!!

  

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