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Basaglia
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"Cavs fans...it's gotta J. Lamb or Perry. Anything else is risky as hell...."


  

          


Lotterry is upon us so lets talk about it.

Here is the problem I have with the way these two dudes are presented as opposed to Barnes or Beal, the other propects most often associated with the Cavs...

They are not franchise players, they just have franchise ability. Don't try to cyse Beal and Barnes because we KNOW they sidekicks and we're all waiting on Jeremy and Perry to get some mean in 'em and max out their gifts. Nah, dogg...I'm taking Jeremy for what he is...A SIDEKICK. Perry struggled because he don't WANT TO BE THE MAN...he let Acy handle that. He will thrive as weapon for Kyrie. They both would. These dudes just wanna play ball. All that being a leader stuff...they ain't built that way. Ain't no lottery pick built for all that except Gilly.

As a stand alone talent Jeremy Lamb is a far superior player than Beal. Better shooter, handle, defense.

And if you going 3...if Gilly ain't there, you take, Perry, no question. Be happy and move on to #24 and hope Ross there. He wont be, but hope for it.

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We want high motor guys, not J. Lamb or Perry Jones
May 21st 2012
1
You are courting disaster with Beal...remember I said it.
May 21st 2012
2
Naw, Barnes is the potential disaster.
May 21st 2012
3
Andy, TT, Gee
May 21st 2012
15
as long as it isn't Barnes.
May 21st 2012
4
^^^ This
May 22nd 2012
63
Sheeeeeeeeiiiit it better be Barnes
May 22nd 2012
72
      no, no, no... that dude was messing up at UNC right before he left
May 23rd 2012
73
           RE: no, no, no... that dude was messing up at UNC right before he left
May 23rd 2012
74
                what gives you that indication?
May 23rd 2012
75
                     RE: what gives you that indication?
May 23rd 2012
78
                          HE CAN'T DRIBBLE!!! HE CAN'T DEFEND!!! NO!
May 23rd 2012
79
                               That's sounds retarded cuz
May 23rd 2012
80
                                    Aight...
May 23rd 2012
81
                                    Doesn't look like he has any problems here...
May 23rd 2012
82
                                         The stellar Va Tech defense >>> any defense he'll face in the NBA.
May 23rd 2012
84
                                              Really???
May 23rd 2012
85
                                                   Let's break down why you're wrong.
May 23rd 2012
86
                                                        MY LORD THE FLAMES!
May 23rd 2012
89
                                                        Like I said who actually plays good defense these days...
May 23rd 2012
91
                                                        NOPE
May 23rd 2012
93
                                                             At the SG position I can't count more than 10 players
May 23rd 2012
94
                                                                  The difference in 2s and 3s is very marginal in the nba today
May 23rd 2012
95
                                                                       Barnes size and ability to create and go to the hole...
May 23rd 2012
99
                                                                            RE: Barnes size and ability to create and go to the hole...
May 24th 2012
108
                                                                                 It's not worth it, dude.
May 24th 2012
110
                                                                                 You're not worth it!!!!
May 24th 2012
111
                                                                                 RE: Barnes size and ability to create and go to the hole...
May 24th 2012
112
                                                                                 You think Barnes is an NBA SG? lol, k.
May 24th 2012
113
                                                                                 So only watch games against Duke huh?
May 24th 2012
116
                                                                                 RE: So only watch games against Duke huh?
May 24th 2012
117
                                                                                 That's exactly what you did to my post, you fuckin hypocrite
May 24th 2012
122
                                                                                 RE: That's exactly what you did to my post, you fuckin hypocrite
May 24th 2012
144
                                                                                 Don't tell me I'm wrong but in the same post say you're fine
May 24th 2012
157
                                                        his ceiling's heigher than 15ppg, but i don't want him
May 23rd 2012
92
                                    Go to the hole with both hands? You didn't watch UNC, lol.
May 23rd 2012
83
                                         Oh Longo, you didnt know about those logn wing defenders
May 23rd 2012
87
                                              We made that point at like the same time, lol.
May 23rd 2012
88
                                                   You made the point much better than I did
May 23rd 2012
90
5 or 6 would be a less than ideal spot.
May 21st 2012
5
I fuck with Jeremy. I can't fuck with Perry tho.
May 21st 2012
6
lol were other people calling him royce da 6'8''?
May 21st 2012
7
Lol...I dunno I just went with it on the fly.
May 21st 2012
10
Royce can't shoot...and he's not an athlete. I said WEAPON.
May 21st 2012
8
He's got those intangibles and instincts. Smart player.
May 21st 2012
11
      he don't NEED to be smart...he need to catch oops, finish and hit Js
May 21st 2012
17
           Perry'll be sitting on the bench wondering why Byron mad at him
May 21st 2012
18
                i'mma turn on ANYONE that's sorry and not helping kyrie. obviously.
May 21st 2012
19
i'm not sure how Royce White is gonna look...
May 21st 2012
9
      True, maybe he can just ball and adapt.
May 21st 2012
12
Trade down for a couple picks
May 21st 2012
13
Fam...I see you coming around on Perry
May 21st 2012
14
I like this idea
May 21st 2012
16
Wroten is good, but probably thinks he's better than Kyrie.
May 21st 2012
20
He can think that...at 2 guard
May 21st 2012
31
when he work out, dogg...gonna be tough for chris grant to say no
May 21st 2012
21
Yep...Tony would go at Kyrie way too hard in off-season workouts
May 21st 2012
22
With Rie's range and a shooter at the 3 I think it could work
May 21st 2012
32
I agree with everyone else on Wroten. He a 1 and wants to
May 21st 2012
30
      He probably is. What he does, you can't teach.
May 21st 2012
33
Dude, i like you , but you gotta chill with this bullshit
May 21st 2012
23
i disagree...an undersized two and a SF with stiff hips are risky to me
May 21st 2012
24
Is Wade an undersized 2?
May 21st 2012
25
      yes...wade is also super athletic with monkey arms. beal not.
May 21st 2012
26
           If you read, you can l see I said I don't want Barnes
May 21st 2012
27
                Man, Lamb helped win a national title....what?
May 21st 2012
28
                     Barnes was a disappointment & had a better season than Jones
May 21st 2012
29
                          You just proved you watched no ball
May 21st 2012
35
                               I know what I saw
May 21st 2012
40
                                    beal is not anything like fucking ray allen...damn.
May 21st 2012
41
                                         Except the fundamentally perfect stroke, you're right
May 22nd 2012
43
                                              What is character?
May 22nd 2012
44
                                                   RE: What is character?
May 22nd 2012
49
                                                        RE: What is character?
May 22nd 2012
50
                                                             What is your point? That only assholes win?
May 22nd 2012
56
                                                                  My point is that character doesnt matter
May 22nd 2012
58
                                                                       you clearly don't understand anything
May 22nd 2012
67
RE: Dude, i like you , but you gotta chill with this bullshit
May 21st 2012
34
      In the Tourney game I was not concerned or impressed..
May 21st 2012
36
      RE: In the Tourney game I was not concerned or impressed..
May 21st 2012
37
           He put up a very inconsequential 17 & 8...
May 21st 2012
38
                RE: He put up a very inconsequential 17 & 8...
May 21st 2012
39
                     I get that.
May 22nd 2012
47
                          Ok dog, you don't want to put it on the coach
May 22nd 2012
53
      Man...
May 22nd 2012
42
           Ok dude, you're so on the espn/nbadraft.net dick
May 22nd 2012
45
                Why you say that like EVERY mock doesn't rate them similarly?
May 22nd 2012
54
Look, for real, whoever they take, I'mma be onboard
May 22nd 2012
46
Aren't you afraid of getting Kyrie in a CP3 Hornets situation?
May 22nd 2012
48
It's all about what pick they get.
May 22nd 2012
51
      If we get the sixth pick & Draft Beal there than it doesn't matter
May 22nd 2012
52
           But Beal's not a "second star."
May 22nd 2012
55
                If there's not a "second star." then draft for fit
May 22nd 2012
57
                I think you underrate MKG.
May 22nd 2012
59
                     I like him, but he's somewhat overrated
May 22nd 2012
68
                          A 6-7 Tony Allen is a fuckin all-star, you GENIUS!!!!
May 22nd 2012
70
                               Dude, I said I'd love to have him on my team
May 24th 2012
123
                RE: But Beal's not a "second star."
May 22nd 2012
60
                     gilly a bamma that play hard and right...that's 15, 7 and 2 NOW....
May 22nd 2012
61
                     RE: gilly a bamma that play hard and right...that's 15, 7 and 2 NOW....
May 22nd 2012
62
                          Ky and MKG together would be the fastest pair in the NBA.
May 22nd 2012
65
                     Shawn Marion was a four-time All-Star, dude.
May 22nd 2012
64
                          RE: Shawn Marion was a four-time All-Star, dude.
May 22nd 2012
66
                               Jenkins won't fall out of the first...
May 22nd 2012
69
that's where i'm at, and last draft was good so i have high hopes
May 23rd 2012
77
LMAO....gettin high bamma reading off Perry twitter, dogg.
May 22nd 2012
71
wonder how many beckys he knocked off while @ baylor?
May 23rd 2012
76
Okay I will throw another name out there...
May 23rd 2012
96
never heard of him.
May 23rd 2012
97
So you didn't watch Kentucky this season huh?
May 23rd 2012
98
I'm trying not to get my hopes up to high, but....
May 23rd 2012
100
I believe that they can't do any worse than the #3 spot
May 23rd 2012
101
      Nah, I'm pretty sure the worst pick we can get is sixth
May 23rd 2012
104
^^sleeper alert
May 23rd 2012
102
lol
May 24th 2012
109
Lol@ a fukin cavs post going plat in the postseason
May 23rd 2012
103
That's a good sign, hater ass nigga
May 23rd 2012
105
That's a good sign, hater ass nigga
May 23rd 2012
106
This is a Duke agenda post in disguise
May 24th 2012
118
      Honestly, it pretty much is
May 24th 2012
129
           No one in this draft will be as good as Kyrie, so I don't care about tha...
May 24th 2012
130
           Let's be honest, the kid with the eyebrow AT-LEAST as a chance
May 24th 2012
132
                He's not Duncan good, lol. Come on.
May 24th 2012
137
                     there is no chance anyone in this draft is as good as kyrie
May 24th 2012
139
                     I give Davis a 10-15% chance.
May 24th 2012
162
                     Well, not yet
May 24th 2012
152
           ***spolier alert***
May 24th 2012
134
                lol, i was confused. was that supposed to be a revelation?
May 24th 2012
136
                     No, but I'm saying, back the fuck up
May 24th 2012
138
                          if you live and die with the cavs it's probably you that needs to
May 24th 2012
140
                          Yeah, probably
May 24th 2012
147
                          rooting for a snake-bitten team don't give you extra fan rights...
May 24th 2012
141
                               I gives me something
May 24th 2012
145
mad?
May 24th 2012
114
PJ3 is the best player in the draft
May 23rd 2012
107
lmmfao @ that avatar
May 24th 2012
115
This thread has officially jumped the shark
May 24th 2012
124
      you don't know anything...that's the problem
May 24th 2012
126
           But how low is his floor
May 24th 2012
127
                i have no basis to conclude that he could cure cancer...
May 24th 2012
128
                     but the boy ain't go no huuart, so it's really a wash
May 24th 2012
131
                     if i were SURE, i'd say so...
May 24th 2012
133
                          Well then, stop acting like you know so much or more than me
May 24th 2012
135
                               your crticism of jones and lamb is flat out stupid
May 24th 2012
143
                                    Single black sports fans put on notice? mmmmmmHMMMM
May 24th 2012
149
                                    He did all that just to be sometimey at Baylor?
May 24th 2012
151
                                         He's from Dallas
May 24th 2012
153
                                              Still though, beyond where he went to school
May 24th 2012
156
                                                   Troll or dumb pt 2
May 24th 2012
159
                                    Just admit that they have motor issues
May 24th 2012
150
                     if he turns out to be a 'Tristan' like pick = W
May 24th 2012
142
                          I'd much rather have Harrison
May 24th 2012
146
Gilly on 'Rie 'Rie and possibly playing for Cavs...
May 24th 2012
119
the takeaway of that excerpt: dat leadership.
May 24th 2012
120
zeke-aguirre did cross my mind, reading that article.
May 24th 2012
121
Cavs could do much worse than him
May 24th 2012
125
...This nigga
May 24th 2012
148
i.e. more blackboard, less blacktop
May 24th 2012
154
      RE: i.e. more blackboard, less blacktop
May 24th 2012
155
           RE: i.e. more blackboard, less blacktop
May 24th 2012
158
                All Zelma George Everything
May 24th 2012
161
Draft him.
May 24th 2012
160
Seeeeee...Perry blowing up in workouts already per Chad Ford
May 24th 2012
163
You'd trade that #1?
May 25th 2012
164
Under the right circumstances....I would.
May 25th 2012
165
You got them workout reports on ESPN insider he's writing up?
May 25th 2012
166
It clearly says 'Cavs fans' but where is Radin????? Ohhhh yeah!
May 26th 2012
167
yup...i made up my mind...trade the #1 if they get it.
May 29th 2012
168
Who's your first call? What offers are you making?
May 29th 2012
171
      1. Magic...then, Portland/NewOrleans...then, maybe, Charlotte
May 29th 2012
172
I'ma be petty as shit and put this right here
May 29th 2012
169
like, dogg, beal-doubters COULD be wrong...very wrong...
May 29th 2012
170
RE: like, dogg, beal-doubters COULD be wrong...very wrong...
May 29th 2012
173
      RE: like, dogg, beal-doubters COULD be wrong...very wrong...
May 29th 2012
174
      Except you did JUST that with Lamb and Jones the Third
May 29th 2012
176
           NOOOOOPE
May 29th 2012
177
                lol @ "serious coaching" with Paul Hewitt of all people
May 29th 2012
179
So, goes to show everyone's bias of his size and put to much into #s
May 29th 2012
175
      RE: So, goes to show everyone's bias of his size and put to much into #s
May 29th 2012
178

kevlar skully
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1. "We want high motor guys, not J. Lamb or Perry Jones "
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Brad Beal is our lotto pick unless we come up with Anthony Davis

  

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Basaglia
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2. "You are courting disaster with Beal...remember I said it."
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If that's the pick, I PRAY I'm wrong.

AND-0

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3. "Naw, Barnes is the potential disaster. "
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Beal is the good character, high motor kid Kyrie needs. He can shoot & play D even if he is a lil undersized. We need guys with HEART who gon go get it.


We need to build this entire team with kids like Kyrie, Tristan, and Beal. Very Coachable players who can make an impact now and more importantly later


our backcourt is bout to ill with Beal

  

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15. "Andy, TT, Gee"
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that's plenty of motor in the rotation. At this point you plug in skill and hope that group pressure keeps them running hot more than cold.

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4. "as long as it isn't Barnes."
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>And if you going 3...if Gilly ain't there, you take, Perry, no
>question. Be happy and move on to #24 and hope Ross there. He
>wont be, but hope for it.

agreed if they are going for a 3, I'm good with Perry if MKG is off the table.

I doubt the Lottery Gods will bless us with the pick required for that.

  

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63. "^^^ This"
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72. "Sheeeeeeeeiiiit it better be Barnes"
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73. "no, no, no... that dude was messing up at UNC right before he left"
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the Cavs can't afford a high-profile pick like that.

  

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hip bopper
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74. "RE: no, no, no... that dude was messing up at UNC right before he left"
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Playing at a school like UNC can mess up your game sometimes. I believe that his game is going to take off at the NBA level.

  

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75. "what gives you that indication?"
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Kyrie >>>>>>> Kendall Marshall but really it wasn't about the PG feeding him. Dude fell off that second season. He just seems way too risky. A number of Cavs fans aren't with him because of "character issues", but I don't care about that. If the Cavs are going to take a 3, they need someone that will be consistent. I just have doubts at this point he can create his own shot. Which is what I'd need if the Cavs are going to pick someone that high.

There's a lot of hype about taking dude in the lottery... but nope. let the Wizards hang that flyer.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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78. "RE: what gives you that indication?"
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>Kyrie >>>>>>> Kendall Marshall but really it wasn't about the
>PG feeding him. Dude fell off that second season. He just
>seems way too risky. A number of Cavs fans aren't with him
>because of "character issues", but I don't care about that. If
>the Cavs are going to take a 3, they need someone that will be
>consistent. I just have doubts at this point he can create his
>own shot. Which is what I'd need if the Cavs are going to pick
>someone that high.
>
>There's a lot of hype about taking dude in the lottery... but
>nope. let the Wizards hang that flyer.

The Cavs desperate need help on the wing, and Barnes has a better all around game than the other swing positions coming out. He has better range and is slightly better on defense than any other 2 or 3 in this draft. My guess is that he will be close to 20 ppg his first season in the NBA. Like I said earlier schools like UNC, Duke, UConn are not a good indicator of individual talent because of how much the team game is emphasized. Once Barnes comes into the NBA, I believe you will see more scoring at this level than what you saw of him in college.

  

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79. "HE CAN'T DRIBBLE!!! HE CAN'T DEFEND!!! NO!"
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AND-0

you just mad.

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80. "That's sounds retarded cuz"
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He can dribble and create his own shot plus has an above average medium range shooting game as well as shoot from long distance. He can go to the hole with either hand.

SMH

  

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81. "Aight..."
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>He can dribble and create his own shot

AND-0

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82. "Doesn't look like he has any problems here..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dVMCRc1rg

  

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84. "The stellar Va Tech defense >>> any defense he'll face in the NBA."
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So you may have a point there.

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85. "Really???"
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Va Tech play about as good a defense as any other college team.

And in reality, not too many teams or players play that good a defense in the NBA either. Soooooo your point is???

  

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86. "Let's break down why you're wrong."
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Virginia Tech wasn't even a Top 50 defense last year. And that's against the ACC, which last year outside of UNC had perhaps the least offensive efficiency of any major conference, and boasting close to the least challenging pre-conference schedule of any tourney hopeful team. Many of their most impressive stifling defensive performances came against teams that (a) aren't tourney teams, or (b) average under 70 points per game on a low shooting percentage anyway. (Here's looking at you, UVA and FSU!)

Additionally, Virginia Tech doesn't have a single player receiving minutes as tall as Barnes, much less as long, whereas most pros at his position will match his size. Barnes thrived against teams with no one to match him at his position for size. As a Duke fan, I'm acutely aware of this fact.

Additionally, Barnes averaged 14 points per game on under 35% shooting during the tournament. Were Vermont, Creighton, and Ohio perennial leaders in defense as well? Or... was it possible... that much like BEFORE Kendall Marshall became point guard... he struggles when he doesn't have a point guard to put the ball into his breadbasket for him?

I mean... should I keep going?

Barnes is a VERY good shooter. He's long, which will create OCCASIONAL size advantage in the pros for his position. He's not particularly fast or a good ballhandler, but he's not terrible. Really, if you're great at one thing, you'll stick in the pros. Barnes is great at shooting. That's all he needs. Just because he was so hyped coming out of high school doesn't mean you need to pass on dudes with high ceilings for a guy whose ceiling is roughly 15 ppg.

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89. "MY LORD THE FLAMES!"
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91. "Like I said who actually plays good defense these days..."
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I know....hardly anyone

Now let's look at the NBA, who plays defense. Oh that's right hardly no one!!!

The NBA is a scorers league and defense is all but absent from today's game. On top of that the play zone like they do in college. He shoots the midrange shot particularly well which will give a zone defense fits in the NBA. When you look at the needs of the Cavs they need a scorer who can create as well as hit a jump shot. He and Kyrie in the backcourt is a step in the right direction for that organization. They could go big, but I am not enamored with any bigs in the draft. If they go Kidd-Gilchrist that wouldn't be bad either, but I feel that Barnes is a better fit especially with Scott as coach.

Btw he will have a PG there to but it in his breadbasket so he should do fine.

  

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93. "NOPE"
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Only 4-5 teams play any kind of Zone regularly. The idea that there isn't defense is the biggest fallacy in simple sports fan life. Why do you think these playoff games are so low-scoring at times? What do you think Iggy/Tony Allen/Indiana Ron/Luc Richard/Kawhi/Bron/Gerald Wallace/Gerald Henderson/Paul George/Avery Bradley would do to a 6'8 dude with poor lateral quickness and a lacking handle? I just named about 10 wing defenders who play D from good to elite. Not to mention the great team schemes that Rivers/Thibs/SVG et al employ. Name one player with a similar skillset to Harrison that's consistently getting off for efficient scoring right now in the league. Rudy Gay is a vastly superior athlete with a similarly wet mid-range J and a better handle and stronger frame than Harrison and you see how the Clippers were able to put him on lock at times.

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94. "At the SG position I can't count more than 10 players"
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that play good defense. Kyrie came in and pretty much had his way in a point guard's league. Barnes should have no problem scoring in the NBA.

  

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95. "The difference in 2s and 3s is very marginal in the nba today"
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Regardless of that, 6'8 and 220 lb Barnes isnt lining up against the small wing 95% of the time. And when he does it'll be a guy like Avery Bradley who is there to make his life miserable and use their long arms to bother him.

Kyrie had his way because he's impossibly quick and crafty with the ball. Combined with the lack of hand-checking on the perimeter and his ability to finish from odd angles, he succeeded. What of those qualities does Harrison duplicate?

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99. "Barnes size and ability to create and go to the hole..."
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would give the Cavs a solid backcourt.

Don't know if you caught many Cavs games, but the got ZERO production from the SG spot. They need a player that can score in any way possible.

  

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108. "RE: Barnes size and ability to create and go to the hole..."
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You're just saying shit now and not responding to points. So Barnes is a creator now? Bring those assist/turnover number out then.

Why do you keep saying shooting guard? What makes you think he'll be more successful with smaller wings in the league than in college? No shit the cavs got no production from the 2 but you're suggesting they draft a big and stiff wing to man that spot? How does this make any sense to you? Where have you seen him break ppl down off the dribble and get to the rim? What games are you watching?

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110. "It's not worth it, dude."
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The guy wrote about Anthony Davis down there like he was being slept on and he thinks Barnes is a better prospect than MKG. Lost cause.

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111. "You're not worth it!!!!"
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Low sports IQ ass mofo

  

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112. "RE: Barnes size and ability to create and go to the hole..."
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>You're just saying shit now and not responding to points. So
>Barnes is a creator now? Bring those assist/turnover number
>out then.
>

If you watch clips the guy can go get his own shot period. He is not a guy that you have to set picks for to get him open just to get a shot off. That is what I am referring to as him creating. I know dude is not a passer, he is a scorer that is what he does best. Get him the ball and he will put it in the hole.


>Why do you keep saying shooting guard? What makes you think
>he'll be more successful with smaller wings in the league than
>in college? No shit the cavs got no production from the 2 but
>you're suggesting they draft a big and stiff wing to man that
>spot? How does this make any sense to you? Where have you seen
>him break ppl down off the dribble and get to the rim? What
>games are you watching?

SG is the best position in the NBA for him and it's all about creating mismatches at this level. I suggested the big as another option because Davis is a presence inside and can score, but the Cavs definitely need help at the guard position. I would be interested in offering a contract to OJ Mayo is they went with Davis.

AllI can tell you to do is watch film. He can drive and finish, drive and shoot the medium range shot as well as shoot from long range.

  

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113. "You think Barnes is an NBA SG? lol, k."
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and lol @ you telling me to watch film when, except for Duke games, I watch more UNC games than any other team per year.

Even UNC fans who think Barnes'll be a perennial all-star (and not many do) would tell you creating his own shot is NOT Barnes' strong suit, and they'd literally laugh out loud at your insistence that he has the speed and/or versatility to play shooting guard in the NBA.

If you think I'm wrong, create a post just about Barnes creating his own post and playing SG in the NBA. Make a poll about it. Watch the UNC fans disagree with you.

Or don't, since you either know I'm right or are delusional. Either way, no point explaining to you further.

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116. "So only watch games against Duke huh?"
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In their two meetings last year, game 1 he score 25 in which they lost by 1. Game 2 he scored 16 and they won that game. So your point is??

I say SG becuase they aren't many guards that size which will help create a mismatch. My only knock on Barnes is that he doesn't swing it much. Mainly because once he gets the ball he is looking for his own shot. Other than that he would do fine under coach Scott.

  

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117. "RE: So only watch games against Duke huh?"
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>In their two meetings last year, game 1 he score 25 in which
>they lost by 1. Game 2 he scored 16 and they won that game.
>So your point is??
>
>I say SG becuase they aren't many guards that size which will
>help create a mismatch. My only knock on Barnes is that he
>doesn't swing it much. Mainly because once he gets the ball
>he is looking for his own shot. Other than that he would do
>fine under coach Scott.

He just said that he watches a great number of UNC games... How did you....? Are you dumb or trolling? Also Duke had no wing defenders this year. Ba and Frank have both sad that all year.

But yeah, being taller isnt a mismatch if the 6'3 dude is in your chest and you can't escape dribble because you have poor lateral quickness. It's also not easy to get off a shot if the 6'3 dude has great length and timing so the ball isnt going to get above your chest before it gets stripped.

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122. "That's exactly what you did to my post, you fuckin hypocrite "
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>You're just saying shit now and not responding to points.

  

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144. "RE: That's exactly what you did to my post, you fuckin hypocrite "
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>>You're just saying shit now and not responding to points.
>
>
You mad. Wrong. And mad again. Keep rolling hard for Beal. The funny thing is..if I'm wrong on Beal I'm wrong. I think dude is cool. A solid 18 point a game type dude at best but I don't see him being better than a Marcus Thornton per se. I'd rather have Lamb's skillset.

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157. "Don't tell me I'm wrong but in the same post say you're fine"
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with being wrong. It's because even you know that you're wrong, and just trying to be different I guess. I'll live with whatever little skill-set that you claim Beal gives up to Lamb for the intangibles that Beal brings.

>You mad. Wrong. And mad again. Keep rolling hard for Beal. The
>funny thing is..if I'm wrong on Beal I'm wrong. I think dude
>is cool. A solid 18 point a game type dude at best but I don't
>see him being better than a Marcus Thornton per se. I'd rather
>have Lamb's skillset.

Beal WILL be better than Marcus Thornton, especially if he plays with a PG like Kyrie,
But whatever, after that Slam interview, I find it hard not to want Gillie to be the pick.

  

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92. "his ceiling's heigher than 15ppg, but i don't want him"
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if he ain't scoring, he's worthless. don't want him.

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83. "Go to the hole with both hands? You didn't watch UNC, lol."
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Even UNC's biggest fans and the hardest anti-Duke folks on this board will tell you Barnes is a jumpshooter. He doesn't attack the rim or really even create his own shot... but he's better at creating his own shot than going to the hole, which he never did except on fast breaks.

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87. "Oh Longo, you didnt know about those logn wing defenders"
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That Ohio University trots out? Those lockdown defenders that had him shooting <40% for that game?

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88. "We made that point at like the same time, lol."
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BUT HE DROPPED 27 AGAINST THE INCREDIBLE HOKIES WHO ARE SO GOOD THEY JUST SHITCANNED THEIR TERRIBLE ASS COACH!!

Yeah, he also got buttfucked by the crafty shrimps the Bobcats roll out, lol.

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90. "You made the point much better than I did "
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5. "5 or 6 would be a less than ideal spot."
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Top 4 pick, take the best available. If you get 7-10, Lamb or Jones (though Jones' college career does scare me, I can't lie).

They might wanna try to trade back or something for someone who's hungry for Barnes or Beal rather than reach for Lamb or Jones if they get 5 or 6. Try to land late lotto perhaps to nab Ross. Maybe Houston'd come off their mid-1st-rounders for the 5th and 33rd?

But yeah. He needs someone who's more than just catch-and-shoot. Beal obviously has more upside at his position than Barnes... though to be honest, if Barnes shoots as silky as he did with Marshall, I can only imagine how he'd look with Ky, which scares me agenda-wise. Shit'll be different in the pros though, and I don't want ANYONE with bust potential near my boy.

I'm just gonna hope they get a Top 4 pick, in which case none of this even matters. They'll take MKG, maybe Drummond.

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6. "I fuck with Jeremy. I can't fuck with Perry tho."
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He's seems like a future disaster. I'd even get lightskin Anthony Mason/Royce 6'8/"I ain't gettin on no crop dusting plane" over Perry.

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7. "lol were other people calling him royce da 6'8''?"
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i kept calling him that around people who didn't know who royce da 5'9" was so it was awkward as shit.

i blame hip-hop.

  

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10. "Lol...I dunno I just went with it on the fly."
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8. "Royce can't shoot...and he's not an athlete. I said WEAPON. "
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11. "He's got those intangibles and instincts. Smart player."
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A match up nightmare. Give it to him and he can drive and kick to Kyrie. He can get a rebound run the break and Kyrie can spot up.

Bottom line, Royce is infinitely smarter than Perry.

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17. "he don't NEED to be smart...he need to catch oops, finish and hit Js"
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two things Perry is VERY capable of doing at a high level.

he got a smart PG out there helping him think.

and he's not a moron, dogg. don't cyse it. he ain't tyrus.

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18. "Perry'll be sitting on the bench wondering why Byron mad at him"
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You'll turn on him quickly too.

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19. "i'mma turn on ANYONE that's sorry and not helping kyrie. obviously."
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i don't care who it is. i woulda hated tristan too. but he gonna be good.

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9. "i'm not sure how Royce White is gonna look..."
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once he gets on a team that isn't gonna run their entire O thru him. that shit works in college, don't see it really translating in the NBA.

  

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12. "True, maybe he can just ball and adapt. "
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Worked for Diaw for a few years.

Or a team that likes to pass. The Princeton offense is built on someone with his natural ability.

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13. "Trade down for a couple picks"
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If you're picking between Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb, I'd try to trade down to nab Meyers Leonard and Ross or something like that.

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14. "Fam...I see you coming around on Perry"
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Perry can be an All-Star. But he prolly won't be. The thing is, I can fully see him being an 18-7-4 type of player in the league. Watching his better games in college reminded me so heavy of Toni Kukoc with amazing athleticism. He has great coordination and an effective handle. People forget that Kukoc didn't have that consistent 3 point shot in the league (33%). Finishing breaks and getting the ball in the pinch post against other small forwards? Shit would be ugly. Especially with Andy and TT being pressed for EVERY board and big man defense? Yes.

I worry about Lamb a bit because dude just was rudderless on that team this year but that's mitigated by the way he fell in line behind Kemba his freshman year. Dude's jumper and handle are nba ready and he wont have to take as many garbage pull ups on the cavs

At 24 I'm hoping for Tony Wroten. Dude is so pressed to be good that I think he'd be a great 3rd guard. If people were on dumb ass Shump I can't imagine what they'd do with a guard who has handle and vision with his athleticism and lack of jumper.

*edit* Terrance Jones would be great too. That boy is touched in some way. I don't know what his deal is but he's moody. Thing is though, he got along with MKG and AD so I guess he can handle a natural leader type nigga being on his case. Getting more touches and more space in the league would be great for him. He's like a less frustrating Josh Smith.

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16. "I like this idea"
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>At 24 I'm hoping for Tony Wroten. Dude is so pressed to be
>good that I think he'd be a great 3rd guard. If people were on
>dumb ass Shump I can't imagine what they'd do with a guard who
>has handle and vision with his athleticism and lack of jumper.

  

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20. "Wroten is good, but probably thinks he's better than Kyrie."
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I wouldn't touch him for that squad.

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31. "He can think that...at 2 guard"
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This offense works with a versatile 2 because 'Rie comes off pin downs and spots up off of 2-4 pick and roll action. Anthony Parker did a lot of initiating of the offense this year.

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21. "when he work out, dogg...gonna be tough for chris grant to say no"
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plus that humble countryness in the interview phase...yup. sign 'em up. he can jump, hit a J and he happy to be a worker bee.

TOUGH...

wroten would be a rental. he wants to start and be a star. unless you saying play him at the 2...like FOR REAL...starting? i'd prefer a shooter.

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22. "Yep...Tony would go at Kyrie way too hard in off-season workouts"
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...and practice.

Shit during the season. He'll be crossing over hard as shit.

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32. "With Rie's range and a shooter at the 3 I think it could work"
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Wroten would be a strong defender, he could run some pick and rolls and be everything Tyreke's un-coached ass should be

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30. "I agree with everyone else on Wroten. He a 1 and wants to"
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be the man. Drafting him to sit behind 'Rie is a waste imo. I still think he's the best guard prospect in the draft. I'ma ride with that opinion until the wheels fall off.

>At 24 I'm hoping for Tony Wroten. Dude is so pressed to be
>good that I think he'd be a great 3rd guard. If people were on
>dumb ass Shump I can't imagine what they'd do with a guard who
>has handle and vision with his athleticism and lack of jumper.
>
>
>*edit* Terrance Jones would be great too. That boy is touched
>in some way. I don't know what his deal is but he's moody.
>Thing is though, he got along with MKG and AD so I guess he
>can handle a natural leader type nigga being on his case.
>Getting more touches and more space in the league would be
>great for him. He's like a less frustrating Josh Smith.

  

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33. "He probably is. What he does, you can't teach. "
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But all those reasons I like him are the same reasons I didn't want UK to recruit him.

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23. "Dude, i like you , but you gotta chill with this bullshit"
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Think. We need to use Kyrie's versatile game to our advantage , and the fact that we run the Princeton offense which calls for a secondary ball handler. It doesn't need to be ALL on him and it won't be if we can get guys that actually help him out.

Spurs and Thunder have more than just one franchise player(s) and fit and play style is the most important thing, more so with the Spurs who already have their titles. Spurs can get waver wire guys and make it work because of the fit and coaching.

Cavaliers want low risk high reward guys. The guys you named ARE the risk guys. They scream bust. Let the Pistons take a chance on those guys. No one has the rated them as high as Barnes and Beal.

Lamb might have more height and length over Beal but he doesn't take the challenge on defense and step up like Brad does. Kyrie can drive and kick to either but Lamb isn't as comfortable driving as Beal is, which is a shame because he's longer. Wanting a guy that's not going to be trying to Carlton the ball outta Ky's hands is one thing but wanting players that are known to disappear is just self-destructive.

you're just thinking about Kyrie, you're not thinking about what is actually the best for this Cavalier organization, and how that is the best for Kyrie. The last thing we need is a(nother!) passive player with all the potential in the world. That didn't work out. Those are the guys that you say that we need. Lamb and Jones the Third and both in the high risk guys pile.

Think about Byron Scott. What is going to make his job easier? Another backcourt kid that's easy to coach and fits his system perfectly or a knuckle head big who maybe able to do it all but isn't even a willing defender? David West got him fired because he didn't want to take to his coaching or understand how it was making him better until it was too late. That is exactly the type of situation that the Cavs need to avoid.

Barnes has the diva potential and that's why I don't want that in out locker room. Not because of were they went to school. We can draft Beal to shore up our backcourt then get and slashing 3 with defense with the Lakers pick. Jeff Taylor or Moe Harkless. Harkless is the kid I'd rather have, he looks like he fits the mold of what the Cavs want. We want kid's that play older than they are, like him, like Beal, like Kyrie.

Dude, I like you but don't keep putting this bullshit on my team just because you're a fan of a player that's on it.

  

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24. "i disagree...an undersized two and a SF with stiff hips are risky to me"
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25. "Is Wade an undersized 2?"
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And stiff hips? Cmon man, you nitpickin.

  

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26. "yes...wade is also super athletic with monkey arms. beal not. "
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barnes is a stiff.

and if you seriously basing your opinions on draft sites, stop replying to me.

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27. "If you read, you can l see I said I don't want Barnes"
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I want Harkless, so you can make up some excuse about him if you want.


You're right about Beal not having the length of Wade but I'd say he's got better fundamentals.

I didn't have to read draft sites to see that the guys you endorsed didn't make their team better.


Oh yeah, you're REALLY posting like you shook someone's gonna come in and steal Kyrie's thunder by wanting guys who "knows they're sidekicks".

  

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28. "Man, Lamb helped win a national title....what? "
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Jones got as far as Barnes did...what are you saying, dogg?

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29. "Barnes was a disappointment & had a better season than Jones"
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>Jones got as far as Barnes did...what are you saying, dogg?

I'm saying that I'd prefer the kid from St. John's to play 3 for the Cavs, not Jones or Barnes.

And what did Lamb do after he didn't have Kemba anymore? Even though he now had a huge advantage in the paint named Andre, he did nothing. Why did he even stay instead of entering last season if he was gonna play like that?

Beal is going to go higher than Lamb would have went even last year.

  

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35. "You just proved you watched no ball"
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Or you don't know what you were watching. Boatright and Shabazz were teen wolf'in like shit this year and Drummond was lost as hell all year long. That nigga had no idea how to play ball and no one taught him. They had no movement on offense and 5-6 times a game the ball would get swung to Lamb with <10 seconds on the shot clock and a clogged lane because UConn had no shooters.

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40. "I know what I saw"
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>Or you don't know what you were watching. Boatright and
>Shabazz were teen wolf'in like shit this year and Drummond was
>lost as hell all year long. That nigga had no idea how to play
>ball and no one taught him. They had no movement on offense
>and 5-6 times a game the ball would get swung to Lamb with <10
>seconds on the shot clock and a clogged lane because UConn had
>no shooters.


Make all the excuse for those dudes that you want, say that I didn't watch all you want but it's not some conundrum that every site with a mock has those guys that you like rated lower than the guys that I'd like most as Cavs(save for Moe). And the only "trend" that matter is how those guys were trending through out the season and in the tourney. Those guys didn't show the heart that they needed when they needed, that's what's more important than physical tangibles. I don't know why you guys want to draft Andrew Bynum types instead of Ray Allens.

  

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41. "beal is not anything like fucking ray allen...damn. "
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43. "Except the fundamentally perfect stroke, you're right"
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Oh yeah, I forgot the high character. Only time "character" is mentioned for your guys is followed by the word "issues"...

  

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44. "What is character? "
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Grant Hill and Steve Nash have a lot of "character" and they haven't won shit. Why you cysing statesment? Rondo and KG are fairly bitch-made ass niggas but they stay winning. Kobe took some girls pussy and is a dirtbag but he's Willie Win Guy. So what's character have to do with it?

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49. "RE: What is character? "
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>Grant Hill and Steve Nash have a lot of "character" and they
>haven't won shit. Why you cysing statesment? Rondo and KG are
>fairly bitch-made ass niggas but they stay winning. Kobe took
>some girls pussy and is a dirtbag but he's Willie Win Guy. So
>what's character have to do with it?


Nash has won 2 mvps. Rondo and KG and very much character guys is in team concept. Rondo is a PG in the truest sense and KG transformed his game to become the defensive anchor because that's what the team needed. Willie Win Guy didn't rape that whore and he's sitting at home watching the playoffs anyway, right now too. Get up off that bullshit.

  

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50. "RE: What is character? "
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Rondo pouts, throws balls at refs and almost got traded three times despite being an amazing talent. Why? Cause the content of that nigga's character is brooding and annoying.

KG punched the shit out of Wally World and Rick Rickert and caught a real charge as a 17 year old. He also takes cheap shots at players and barks hard at small white guards while bitching up against any nigga with some heart.

See how we're both making objectively correct points? See how you just named some shit about their basketball skill and I named some shit about their personalities and how it influences actions (the actual definition of character?)

Go ahead and try to make a point that you didn't read and memorize from a columnist though. I won't even flame you on ignoring Kobe's rings (3 of which were won with world class dirtbag Shaq.)

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56. "What is your point? That only assholes win?"
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is that why Timmy is the best PF ever and he'll have more than Shaq, who didn't even live up to his full potential because he was so full of himself?

Fuck the opinions of a columnist, it's really just common sense. Cavs actually somehow have a future again, why do you want to flush it with kids that will most likely never live up to what they could be?

Get off Lamb's dick, he's a first round exit kid that rested on his laurels after riding Kemba's coattails. Play this bullshit game pretending that I only know what I've read and didn't actually watch the games all you want but we both know it's just a tactic you have to use to distract from the fact that you want to Cavs to draft lesser prospects solely because of how they measure physically.

  

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58. "My point is that character doesnt matter"
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Are you good? Are you pressed to be better than the next nigga? Can you evolve? That's it. Timmy and Shaq have the same # of rings because for all the character shit you're talking they share those three things.

>Get off Lamb's dick, he's a first round exit kid that rested
>on his laurels after riding Kemba's coattails. Play this
>bullshit game pretending that I only know what I've read and
>didn't actually watch the games all you want but we both know
>it's just a tactic you have to use to distract from the fact
>that you want to Cavs to draft lesser prospects solely because
>of how they measure physically.

You said all that and said nothing. You're trying to box my argument up and doing a terrible job of it. So now frail ass Lamb is a bigger physical talent than the solid 205-lb nigga who bangs on people at 6'3"? You mad. And wrong. And not making any sense. And talking about these narratives like you were in the locker room. Who's on that conjecture? You. Who's talking about shit that happened on the court and is based in something other than a made up storyline? Me. So go read some more nbadraft.net and be wrong.

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67. "you clearly don't understand anything"
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>Are you good? Are you pressed to be better than the next
>nigga? Can you evolve? That's it. Timmy and Shaq have the same
># of rings because for all the character shit you're talking
>they share those three things.

Shaq could have more if he focused more, that's the point. Timmy is most likely going to surpass him this summer.


>
>You said all that and said nothing. You're trying to box my
>argument up and doing a terrible job of it. So now frail ass
>Lamb is a bigger physical talent than the solid 205-lb nigga
>who bangs on people at 6'3"? You mad. And wrong. And not
>making any sense. And talking about these narratives like you
>were in the locker room. Who's on that conjecture? You. Who's
>talking about shit that happened on the court and is based in
>something other than a made up storyline? Me. So go read some
>more nbadraft.net and be wrong.

Nothing about Lamb is better than Beal other than his wingspan and he may be an inch taller,but he's 15 pounds lighter and you act like he's better than Beal. Why? Are you even reading? Nbadraft says that Lamb is better, DX(the site that even you said is the best) has Beal rated 5 slots better but you keep saying that I'm just some nbadraft.net kid, you posting like a bitch right now.

>I'm done with you nigga.

Did you snap you fingers 3 time in a "z" formation when you typed this? Look, I don't give a fuck if you want Jeremy Lamb to give you a reach around, I'm just telling you that he's not a better prospect than Beal and the only way he could be is in individual workouts because there's nothing that he actually did in-game to set them apart and say otherwise.

All you've done is make excuses for Lamb and down Beal because "he's short". I've taken the time to show you why I think Beal would be more valuable to the Cavs than Lamb and all you've done is type booty bullshit.


It really doesn't matter, we'll see where we're drafting , for sure, next Wednesday & we'll see who the Cavs are going to take next month , maybe the prospects you like or the guys I like or maybe even neither but I know for a fucking fact that Chris Grant would be happy driving run in instead of swinging for the fence, just like they did with Irving. They didn't go for the physical specimen(Derrick Williams) they went with the guy that would fit the team's personality and direction they we're going. I convinced that the Cavs would go for a T.Ross before the gamble on a J.Lamb.

Now, I'll go read some more DraftExpress articles while you cream over would COULD be with J.Lambs and P.Joneses and other kids that are rated lower that Jared Sullinger.

  

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34. "RE: Dude, i like you , but you gotta chill with this bullshit"
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>Think. We need to use Kyrie's versatile game to our advantage
>, and the fact that we run the Princeton offense which calls
>for a secondary ball handler. It doesn't need to be ALL on him
> and it won't be if we can get guys that actually help him
>out.

True, so why go Beal over Lamb who has a superior handle and vision?

>Spurs and Thunder have more than just one franchise player(s)
>and fit and play style is the most important thing, more so
>with the Spurs who already have their titles. Spurs can get
>waver wire guys and make it work because of the fit and
>coaching.

So because you don't trust Byron Scott the cavs should draft low-ceiling guys? Coaches can be fired

>Cavaliers want low risk high reward guys.

Low risk doesnt usually correlate with HIGH reward young. Low risk=low ceiling

The guys you named
>ARE the risk guys. They scream bust. Let the Pistons take a
>chance on those guys. No one has the rated them as high as
>Barnes and Beal.

I like Beal, but he's short and for whatever reason he shot poorly this year on a team with good spacing

>Lamb might have more height and length over Beal but he
>doesn't take the challenge on defense and step up like Brad
>does. Kyrie can drive and kick to either but Lamb isn't as
>comfortable driving as Beal is, which is a shame because he's
>longer. Wanting a guy that's not going to be trying to Carlton
>the ball outta Ky's hands is one thing but wanting players
>that are known to disappear is just self-destructive.

You're wrong about Lamb being comfortable driving; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBv1-BAPbO4

That UConn team was too dysfunctional to judge Drummond and Lamb. They weren't leaders but they're both young and nice dudes. The Cavs are good on leaders

>you're just thinking about Kyrie, you're not thinking about
>what is actually the best for this Cavalier organization, and
>how that is the best for Kyrie. The last thing we need is
>a(nother!) passive player with all the potential in the world.
>That didn't work out. Those are the guys that you say that we
>need. Lamb and Jones the Third and both in the high risk guys
>pile.

Actually in that UK game PJ3 was taking it right at AD and Jones in the post. His moves are raw but he showed heart in that game. His team was overmatched and terribly outcoached i

>Think about Byron Scott. What is going to make his job easier?
>Another backcourt kid that's easy to coach and fits his system
>perfectly or a knuckle head big who maybe able to do it all
>but isn't even a willing defender? David West got him fired
>because he didn't want to take to his coaching or understand
>how it was making him better until it was too late. That is
>exactly the type of situation that the Cavs need to avoid.

Why should Byron's job be easy? Scott Brooks isnt some amazing coach but they gave him 3 ball-dominating wings and told him to make it work. He helped develop Russy as a pg and found rotations that got Harden going. That's what coaches do. If Byron can't do it then Van Gundy will be coming off a nice year off. Also, PJ isnt a big. That boy is a 3 and the sooner a coach makes him accountable for defense and lets that be his ticket to playing the wing on offense the sooner he'll develop

>Barnes has the diva potential and that's why I don't want that
>in out locker room. Not because of were they went to school.
>We can draft Beal to shore up our backcourt then get and
>slashing 3 with defense with the Lakers pick. Jeff Taylor or
>Moe Harkless. Harkless is the kid I'd rather have, he looks
>like he fits the mold of what the Cavs want. We want kid's
>that play older than they are, like him, like Beal, like
>Kyrie.

Harkless can't shoot, can't handle and that hustle-ball isn't going to get him anything except a ticket to being Thad Young jr. I like Moe but he's a project just like EVERY rookie.

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36. "In the Tourney game I was not concerned or impressed.."
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with Jones one bit.

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37. "RE: In the Tourney game I was not concerned or impressed.."
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Nigga if you were concerned with ANYTHING in that game you were cysing the shit out of Baylor. They don't run an offense and they run a lazy zone with all those athletes. But Perry put up 17 and 8, most of that in the 2nd half when he decided to iso in the post time and time again. He could have took it to the crib because there was no way they would win but he and Quincy played like men

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38. "He put up a very inconsequential 17 & 8..."
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after the game was already decided.

Played like a man....lol....bullshit.

That nigga was looking clueless in the first half.

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39. "RE: He put up a very inconsequential 17 & 8..."
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You cuban b'ed the whole point. That game was inconsequential. Scott Drew is TERRIBLE game coach. Did you at any point think Baylor as a team was going to give UK trouble? Bet. So you look at the matchups and the individual play. In that, PJ started taking iso's and going hard because he wasn't getting any direction.

I'll take my chances with the supremely talented dude who seems willing to work and who hasn't been coached/hasnt had the opportunity.

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47. "I get that."
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But my point is, when the game was actually a game (1st half) he didn't do anything.

He only got off when the game was out of reach. So that tells me nothing.

Edwin Moses was competing when Baylor was contending.

And I did think it'd be a good game.

The Baylor team has talent. I wanted to see what Perry & Miller would do. They didn't respond.

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53. "Ok dog, you don't want to put it on the coach"
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Let's give Billy Gillespie your squad from last year and see what happens with their development. Keep in mind, Scott Drew is WORSE at in-game coaching than Billy was

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>
>True, so why go Beal over Lamb who has a superior handle and
>vision?

Because Beal exhibited way more heart than Lamb, he's more of a character guy than him too. Lamb seems way to aloof, he didn't exactly come out this season with the mindset to prove that he's better than riding the coattail's of a 5'11 Bobcat.


>
>So because you don't trust Byron Scott the cavs should draft
>low-ceiling guys? Coaches can be fired
>

Whoa there. Who said that I don't trust Byron Scott? I said that I don't want his job to be harder because we draft guys solely on their measurable's and disregard if they have the innate desire to be great. You're posting like you don't know the archetype of player the Cavaliers are targeting. Jones and Lamb and not them, they are not rated as high as the others for the reasons I've stated, on most people's board and you can bet on the Cavs' Big Board.

And you're really tripping thinking that we can or should just toss Scott out, like a sack, on a whim. We want and NEED stability. We need to retain the same HC and GM as long as we can and make it work. How do you think Kyrie will feel if we just up and get rid of his beloved coach that he's building a relationship with, just because? It doesn't make sense if we're trying to build an environment in which we're a family that sticks together, and Irving can stay for the long term.


>Low risk doesnt usually correlate with HIGH reward young. Low
>risk=low ceiling

No. What the fuck are you talking about? If Kyrie hadn't had the toe injury would he have been a high risk guy just because he's got a high ceiling? Of course not, stop with the logical fallacies.

>
>I like Beal, but he's short and for whatever reason he shot
>poorly this year on a team with good spacing
>

Now who's is proving that they didn't watch the games? Beal played out of position most all of the season but still manage to raise his level of play in the tourney DESPITE playing with 2 other ball dominating guards who couldn't shoot or play point. He didn't have good spacing at all. He didn't get the benefit of a one & done program that caters to his draft stock but he still manage to be their best player as a freshmen and proved himself as worthy of a lotto pick. There are reasons that his numbers suffered and you might know that if you weren't so worried about his size.


>
>You're wrong about Lamb being comfortable driving;
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBv1-BAPbO4


Dude, the stigma of his game is that he's not confident in his driving ability , of course you can show some isolated situations but let's be real here.

>That UConn team was too dysfunctional to judge Drummond and
>Lamb. They weren't leaders but they're both young and nice
>dudes. The Cavs are good on leaders

They were coming off of a national title, they really don't have an excuse for being that dysfunctional. And I don't want to hear about the coach not being there, players weren't stepping up and Lamb was one of them. Like I already stated, Beal didn't have the best situation ever but he made the most of it. "good on leaders" Again, Kyrie can't hold all the weight, we need to get him guys that will take some pressure off of him instead of being dead weight.


>
>Actually in that UK game PJ3 was taking it right at AD and
>Jones in the post. His moves are raw but he showed heart in
>that game. His team was overmatched and terribly outcoached i


And what did he do defensively? I don't know why you want to swing for the fences when we can drive runs in and win. You sounds like a guy that's big on measurable's and empty stats, don't tell me his stat line and what he did but then admit that he didn't effect the outcome of the game.

>Why should Byron's job be easy? Scott Brooks isnt some amazing
>coach but they gave him 3 ball-dominating wings and told him
>to make it work. He helped develop Russy as a pg and found
>rotations that got Harden going. That's what coaches do. If
>Byron can't do it then Van Gundy will be coming off a nice
>year off. Also, PJ isnt a big. That boy is a 3 and the sooner
>a coach makes him accountable for defense and lets that be his
>ticket to playing the wing on offense the sooner he'll
>develop
>

WTF, why should his job be hard? Why should he have to stay up late at night worrying how he's going to get the team's new high draft pick to play like he gives a fuck? You think they give Pop knuckle heads and tell him "make it work"? Fuck no, they target character guys that they don't have to worry about if they're giving their all or not. And oh yeah, those teams focus on fit , not just size. OKC could have took Tyreke Evans because he's bigger than Harden but they didn't because they realized that fit is more important.

>
>Harkless can't shoot, can't handle and that hustle-ball isn't
>going to get him anything except a ticket to being Thad Young
>jr. I like Moe but he's a project just like EVERY rookie.

Harkless has an all around game, he doesn't really need to be GREAT at anything in our situation as he would be a 3rd option at best. Young is a good player that most Cavs fans would LOVE to have, so I find it funny that you're trying to talk down on dude. Stop for a sec and read what you typed, you're trying to hate on a dude because he displays hustle, lol wtf yo. Yeah, every rookie is a project, but there's a difference than building a dog house and solving world hunger. Sounds like you want those guys to be great more than even they do, those ain't the kids I want on this team, those guys won't help us. It's a shame that the guys you want are the guys Cavs would just settle with, guys we could trade down and still attain.

  

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45. "Ok dude, you're so on the espn/nbadraft.net dick"
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>Because Beal exhibited way more heart than Lamb, he's more of
>a character guy than him too. Lamb seems way to aloof, he
>didn't exactly come out this season with the mindset to prove
>that he's better than riding the coattail's of a 5'11 Bobcat.

Nigga they are both 19 year olds who havent been in any trouble. Lamb's pops was an NBA player. He's from middle-class norcross. He was the one dude on the under-19 squad who could handle the ball and follow the coaching. But you know about his "character." Ok Skip Bayless


>Whoa there. Who said that I don't trust Byron Scott? I said
>that I don't want his job to be harder because we draft guys
>solely on their measurable's and disregard if they have the
>innate desire to be great. You're posting like you don't know
>the archetype of player the Cavaliers are targeting. Jones and
>Lamb and not them, they are not rated as high as the others
>for the reasons I've stated, on most people's board and you
>can bet on the Cavs' Big Board.

Ok dude. Humble quiet niggas who work hard arent the archetype. Lamb wasnt a top 25 recruit but his handle and and shot are worlds better than when he got on campus. That just happened by magic obviously. dude has bad character. Baylor went to the sweet 16 with a terrible game coach, so the players on that team should be penalized for that. k.

So Beal played at the 3 with two guards who rarely spent time inside the 3 point line? And Erik Murphy is a high post player right? So what's all the stuff in the middle of the offense called? Space? K then. What's a "one and done" program? You think if Billy Donovan didnt miss on Austin Rivers and Brandon Knight that he would be running a "2-4 year program?" Stop writing narratives dude. Also, if playing with 2 ball dominating pgs who didnt run the team is a reason to look past Beal's issue...what do you call 'Bazz and Boatright's selfish game this year? What would that have done to Lamb? And if those things are equal then why did he shoot better than Beal?

>Dude, the stigma of his game is that he's not confident in his
>driving ability , of course you can show some isolated
>situations but let's be real here.

From the best scouting site out there;

"He has a smooth first step and very good ball-handling skills, fluidly using change of speed and direction dribbles to keep his defender on his heels. At this stage, though, Lamb prefers to utilize his step-back jumper or use his dribble to create space for mid-range jump shots, often bailing out his defender, rather than attacking the rim. This is evidenced by how infrequently he gets to the free throw line, where he ranks 5th in attempts per-40 amongst the 21 shooting guards in our top 100 prospect rankings, as well as in the fact that 73% of his shots in the half-court come on jumpers.

With that said, Lamb was still a very efficient scorer inside the arc as a sophomore, able to use an array of floaters and smoothly pull up in mid-range, making things look easy at times. His 60% on 2-pointers this season was actually the highest of any shooting guard in our top 100.

As we've mentioned before, in addition to his talents off the dribble, Lamb is also an outstanding jump shooter. He has range well past the NBA 3-point line and can shoot the ball with his feet set, off the dribble, or running off screens. He's shown nice footwork coming off curls and does an excellent job creating space, squaring himself, and elevating to get off his jumper.

From behind the arc this season, he shot an unimpressive 34%, taking over six attempts per game, displaying poor shot selection at times and often settling for long, difficult jumpers. He clearly has the potential to be a more efficient deep shooter, but he'll need to do a better job of being more selective.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1vb7myofV"

>They were coming off of a national title, they really don't
>have an excuse for being that dysfunctional. And I don't want
>to hear about the coach not being there, players weren't
>stepping up and Lamb was one of them. Like I already stated,
>Beal didn't have the best situation ever but he made the most
>of it. "good on leaders" Again, Kyrie can't hold all the
>weight, we need to get him guys that will take some pressure
>off of him instead of being dead weight.

You Cuban B'ing NCAA sanctions, an old coach who isnt actually coaching much anymore and all kinds of eligibility issues that fucked with their rotation for 2/3 of the year. Cool.

>>Actually in that UK game PJ3 was taking it right at AD and
>>Jones in the post. His moves are raw but he showed heart in
>>that game. His team was overmatched and terribly outcoached
>i
>
>
>And what did he do defensively? I don't know why you want to
>swing for the fences when we can drive runs in and win. You
>sounds like a guy that's big on measurable's and empty stats,
>don't tell me his stat line and what he did but then admit
>that he didn't effect the outcome of the game.
>
>>Why should Byron's job be easy? Scott Brooks isnt some
>amazing
>>coach but they gave him 3 ball-dominating wings and told him
>>to make it work. He helped develop Russy as a pg and found
>>rotations that got Harden going. That's what coaches do. If
>>Byron can't do it then Van Gundy will be coming off a nice
>>year off. Also, PJ isnt a big. That boy is a 3 and the
>sooner
>>a coach makes him accountable for defense and lets that be
>his
>>ticket to playing the wing on offense the sooner he'll
>>develop
>>
>
>WTF, why should his job be hard? Why should he have to stay up
>late at night worrying how he's going to get the team's new
>high draft pick to play like he gives a fuck? You think they
>give Pop knuckle heads and tell him "make it work"? Fuck no,
>they target character guys that they don't have to worry about
>if they're giving their all or not. And oh yeah, those teams
>focus on fit , not just size. OKC could have took Tyreke Evans
>because he's bigger than Harden but they didn't because they
>realized that fit is more important.

Harden is out here fucking porn stars and import models and PARTYING. The only thing that makes you a knuckle head is a lack of discretion. I could care less about this bullshit. Pop runs Stephen Jackson out there.

>>Harkless can't shoot, can't handle and that hustle-ball
>isn't
>>going to get him anything except a ticket to being Thad
>Young
>>jr. I like Moe but he's a project just like EVERY rookie.
>
>Harkless has an all around game, he doesn't really need to be
>GREAT at anything in our situation as he would be a 3rd option
>at best. Young is a good player that most Cavs fans would LOVE
>to have, so I find it funny that you're trying to talk down on
>dude. Stop for a sec and read what you typed, you're trying to
>hate on a dude because he displays hustle, lol wtf yo. Yeah,
>every rookie is a project, but there's a difference than
>building a dog house and solving world hunger. Sounds like you
>want those guys to be great more than even they do, those
>ain't the kids I want on this team, those guys won't help us.
>It's a shame that the guys you want are the guys Cavs would
>just settle with, guys we could trade down and still attain.

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54. "Why you say that like EVERY mock doesn't rate them similarly? "
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>
>Nigga they are both 19 year olds who havent been in any
>trouble. Lamb's pops was an NBA player. He's from middle-class
>norcross. He was the one dude on the under-19 squad who could
>handle the ball and follow the coaching. But you know about
>his "character." Ok Skip Bayless


We got enough "middle-class" kids. Beal couldn't afford to stay in school to help raise his draft stock anymore(which Lamb failed to do anyway), he needs the money to help his family now. He's from the Lou, not sweet ass Norcross. Most reports say that Lamb is often too aloof and you could see that when he played, I don't know why you want that around this team. Beal on the other hand is actually a Cavs fan, no doubt in my mind that he would play his heart out for this team. http://www.usabasketball.com/bios/beal_brad.html

Peep the personal scoop. Also, I like the idea of having our own #23 in the fold again. Being that his fav player is Lebron and fav team is(still) the Cavs, he would play with a chip on his shoulder, maybe even more than Kyrie. It says alot about him that he didn't just give up on the Cavaliers being his fav NBA team even though his fav player left to go play else where. It's easy to imagine a player like that going all out for the Cavs, I'm not sure Lamb wouldn't have the "ughh Cleveland" mentality, and I for damn sure know that's he's not going to try to step up to make a name for himself in our history books.


>Ok dude. Humble quiet niggas who work hard arent the
>archetype. Lamb wasnt a top 25 recruit but his handle and and
>shot are worlds better than when he got on campus. That just
>happened by magic obviously. dude has bad character. Baylor
>went to the sweet 16 with a terrible game coach, so the
>players on that team should be penalized for that. k.

Listen to yourself, I mean, read what you're typing. "low drama, hard working kids ain't the archetype" Then what is? What should be? Guys with freak body types but passive play which leaves more to be desired. Why had a guy like that, it doesn't matter if he doesn't have the right attitude about things. And we can go back and fourth about who's numbers are better but and the end of the day we can only say that one of these players did all the could from their team and that's not Lamb.

>So Beal played at the 3 with two guards who rarely spent time
>inside the 3 point line? And Erik Murphy is a high post player
>right? So what's all the stuff in the middle of the offense
>called? Space? K then. What's a "one and done" program? You
>think if Billy Donovan didnt miss on Austin Rivers and Brandon
>Knight that he would be running a "2-4 year program?" Stop
>writing narratives dude. Also, if playing with 2 ball
>dominating pgs who didnt run the team is a reason to look past
>Beal's issue...what do you call 'Bazz and Boatright's selfish
>game this year? What would that have done to Lamb? And if
>those things are equal then why did he shoot better than
>Beal?

Lamb wasn't stepping up when Boatright was on lock down, see , that' just another excuse. Napier often had to be the man because lord knows Lamb didn't want to have that pressure on him. I can't say I'm sorry because I don't want guys who run from the ball(esp in cruchtime), if you think that means that I'm on espn's dick ...well.. we see how you think anyway. If Donovan had got Rivers then he would have been even less accommodating to him that Coach K was, yes, I believe that.

>
>From the best scouting site out there;
>
>"He has a smooth first step and very good ball-handling
>skills, fluidly using change of speed and direction dribbles
>to keep his defender on his heels. At this stage, though, Lamb
>prefers to utilize his step-back jumper or use his dribble to
>create space for mid-range jump shots, often bailing out his
>defender, rather than attacking the rim. This is evidenced by
>how infrequently he gets to the free throw line, where he
>ranks 5th in attempts per-40 amongst the 21 shooting guards in
>our top 100 prospect rankings, as well as in the fact that 73%
>of his shots in the half-court come on jumpers.
>
>With that said, Lamb was still a very efficient scorer inside
>the arc as a sophomore, able to use an array of floaters and
>smoothly pull up in mid-range, making things look easy at
>times. His 60% on 2-pointers this season was actually the
>highest of any shooting guard in our top 100.
>
>As we've mentioned before, in addition to his talents off the
>dribble, Lamb is also an outstanding jump shooter. He has
>range well past the NBA 3-point line and can shoot the ball
>with his feet set, off the dribble, or running off screens.
>He's shown nice footwork coming off curls and does an
>excellent job creating space, squaring himself, and elevating
>to get off his jumper.
>
>From behind the arc this season, he shot an unimpressive 34%,
>taking over six attempts per game, displaying poor shot
>selection at times and often settling for long, difficult
>jumpers. He clearly has the potential to be a more efficient
>deep shooter, but he'll need to do a better job of being more
>selective.
>
>From DraftExpress.com
>http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1vb7myofV"

Funny you cite this as "the best scouting site". Well, do you wonder why they have Beal as the #5 best rated prospect and Lamb as the tenth? It must be because they're on espn/ nbadraft.net's dick huh? LMAO. Ironically enough, NBAdraft.com just came out with an article on sunday, listing the top SG prospects and they have Lamb as #1 and Beal as #2. Yet, the best scouting site still rates Beal as a better prospect. Things that make you go hmmm. http://nbadraft.net/nba-draft-top-10-shooting-guards

>>

>
>Harden is out here fucking porn stars and import models and
>PARTYING. The only thing that makes you a knuckle head is a
>lack of discretion. I could care less about this bullshit. Pop
>runs Stephen Jackson out there.

Of course niggas is gonna party and fuck bitches, but he brings it every night on the court and he realizes that is more important than the former. Captain Jack is just a spec in the big picture of the Spurs, you need guys like that but he isn't a main guy And I knew you would bring him up like he's one of their big 3 smfh


>
>K nigga. Be wrong.

So me, DX(the site you claimed was the best , and most likely is) most everybody that critically watched the games, and generally everyone is isn't just enamored with size and length are all wrong? OK, buddy.

Jones III and Lamb are the type of players we'd have to settle with if we just missed the playoffs and didn't have such a high pick, I'll take them if that were the case but we can clearly(at-least to me& the rest of the world) do much better.

  

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46. "Look, for real, whoever they take, I'mma be onboard"
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I will cyse the shit outta Beal or Barnes or whoever else I think would be a mistake. That's just how it is. All the Cavs need are slightly above average starters at the 2 and 3 from this draft, if they don't go FA. That's all I want, dogg.

I made this thread to give my opinion because I'm scared they gonna blow it. Period.

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48. "Aren't you afraid of getting Kyrie in a CP3 Hornets situation?"
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Where it's just him doing everything and a bunch of average niggaz standing around and rebounding?

I mean that's great for his numbers. But when it comes to winning it won't work against elite teams.

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51. "It's all about what pick they get."
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Top 3 pick, and all this worrying is for nothing.

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52. "If we get the sixth pick & Draft Beal there than it doesn't matter"
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We need to hit on our picks no matter where they are- the lotto pick, lakers pick, and both second rounders would be nice

Second or third pick won't matter if we draft a bust there

  

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55. "But Beal's not a "second star.""
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If the goal is to get in the lotto a "second star" to support Kyrie, I'm not really convinced there is a real one out of the top three or four picks.

You can hit on Beal or Lamb or Jones because they'll produce... but in regards to TRBO's comment about the Cavs potentially becoming Kyrie-and-a-buncha-guys, Beal or Lamb or Jones won't be more than one-of-a-buncha-guys. They can be a good piece on a playoff team, but not someone to elevate them from a fringe playoff team to an ECF contender. MKG and Davis are types that could make a huge difference in a team's outlook right away, that could make the Cavs more than CP3's Hornets right away. They're more than just "a guy who helps"-- they're "second stars."

I agree they gotta hit EVERY pick, and they can. They'll be in great positions to get value on all four picks.

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57. "If there's not a "second star." then draft for fit"
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We should be drafting for fit no matter what, actually.


>If the goal is to get in the lotto a "second star" to support
>Kyrie, I'm not really convinced there is a real one out of the
>top three or four picks.

Only true star in the draft is AD, after that there are only a few guys who have a chance. I believe Beal is one of those guys, but like everyone else, it all depends on what situation they go to. I believe Beal is ideal for the Cavaliers situation.

>You can hit on Beal or Lamb or Jones because they'll
>produce... but in regards to TRBO's comment about the Cavs
>potentially becoming Kyrie-and-a-buncha-guys, Beal or Lamb or
>Jones won't be more than one-of-a-buncha-guys. They can be a
>good piece on a playoff team, but not someone to elevate them
>from a fringe playoff team to an ECF contender. MKG and Davis
>are types that could make a huge difference in a team's
>outlook right away, that could make the Cavs more than CP3's
>Hornets right away. They're more than just "a guy who helps"--
>they're "second stars."


I think Gillie has the chance to be a star like Rodman was a star, he's not going to be able to carry a team by himself though, and that's what I think of what I say star. I think Beal can develop in to a player that could be able to carry a team by himself but he wouldn't need to with the Cavs, he's be our 2nd star. He could go somewhere like the Suns and make them forget about Steve Nash, similar to how Kyrie makes Cavs fans almost forget about Lebron, like they have a new hope. I wouldn't mind Gillie on the Cavs but he's not my first choice, he gets here and it's STILL on Kyrie to do ALL of the scoring.

>I agree they gotta hit EVERY pick, and they can. They'll be in
>great positions to get value on all four picks.

Well, we won't if we're trying to swing for the fences instead of just bolstering our squad the right way though.

  

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59. "I think you underrate MKG."
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I don't think he's a max deal on a champ team kinda guy, but I think he could very well be a Iguodala kinda guy, and the Cavs could definitely use his speed, length, and defense to fortify both ends of the court.

As for shooters? With that Lakers pick, someone like John Jenkins will be available, and in the second, folks like William Buford, Khris Middleton, and Will Barton should be available. I think you can find an effective SG later in the draft with more ease than you can find someone at the wing who is as effective as MKG is.

Then again, I rate Beal as being good not great and you rate him as great. Just difference of opinion I suppose.

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68. "I like him, but he's somewhat overrated"
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>I don't think he's a max deal on a champ team kinda guy, but
>I think he could very well be a Iguodala kinda guy, and the
>Cavs could definitely use his speed, length, and defense to
>fortify both ends of the court.

I think he's a 6'7 Tony Allen, which I would love to have but I think we can find better fits.
The Cavs, obviously, could use alot, it's about getting the best possible fit though.

>As for shooters? With that Lakers pick, someone like John
>Jenkins will be available, and in the second, folks like
>William Buford, Khris Middleton, and Will Barton should be
>available. I think you can find an effective SG later in the
>draft with more ease than you can find someone at the wing who
>is as effective as MKG is.

We don't need another guy that is JUST a shooter, or is JUST a defender, we need some more all around guys who can do a little bit of everything, then we can bring it together and play some really good team ball. Great teams do everything by comity, defend , rebound and score. If you put one thing all on one guy then he is gonna be ineffective when defenses key in on him, they won't happen if we have more than one guy doing something, fuck a specialist.

>Then again, I rate Beal as being good not great and you rate
>him as great. Just difference of opinion I suppose.

I'm saying, he can be great in the right situation and I think that playing with a point like Kyrie , under a coach like Scott, in a city like Cleveland , for the Cavs, is that situation. He can grab the board, lead the break, find Kyrie and others and vice versa.

  

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70. "A 6-7 Tony Allen is a fuckin all-star, you GENIUS!!!!"
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123. "Dude, I said I'd love to have him on my team"
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but I'd still rather an ideal fit. As much as I love the player that MKG is, he's not the ideal fit in the front court with Tristin. And we don't need an C with a limited offense game for the same reason, I hope we can get Cody Zeller whenever he comes out.

  

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60. "RE: But Beal's not a "second star.""
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You're right, there are a lot of 15-5-3 type dudes in this draft. The gap between Lamb/Beal and Terrence Ross isnt THAT big. I'm scared about MKG though. How good of a shooter can he be? Is he going to board like that against nba 3's? For all the goodwill, why should we think he'll be more than Shawn Marion with a less-ugly J? I don't always see it from a skill standpoint. He has better court vision than we think, worse handles than we thing but he's so pressed to be good.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them package that Heat pick from next year and the 24 this year to move up though. If someone loses out on Kendall or one of the 4's the Cavs could get back up in the teens and take Rivers or Ross.

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61. "gilly a bamma that play hard and right...that's 15, 7 and 2 NOW...."
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off pure effort.

his jumper not THAT broke, dogg. it's broke, but not "can't drop 15" broke.

i have no idea how good he can be. i just know he won't be sorry.

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62. "RE: gilly a bamma that play hard and right...that's 15, 7 and 2 NOW...."
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>off pure effort.
>
>his jumper not THAT broke, dogg. it's broke, but not "can't
>drop 15" broke.
>
>i have no idea how good he can be. i just know he won't be
>sorry.

That's true. I see no way that he's sorry. He's more talented as a basketball player than Gerald Wallace and G kept running fast and grabbing boards until they couldnt help but give him 30 minutes.

Also, Rie and MKG are going to PARTY on niggas if they end up on the same team. That camaraderie and shit? I can't wait. With Tristan running hard and grabbing offensive boards too? That team would be a bitch to play.

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65. "Ky and MKG together would be the fastest pair in the NBA."
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That would be FUN to watch, period.

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64. "Shawn Marion was a four-time All-Star, dude."
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That's more than Eric Gordon or whoever the best comparison for Bradley Beal is has gotten.

Jeremy Lamb has more potential than Beal and has played terrifically in bigger games than Beal-- not sure why Beal's projected ahead of him, frankly.

I think this is a good draft for 2 guards. Deep class. I don't think John Jenkins is an all-star, but do I trust that he'll make the basket if Kyrie kicks it to him? Yep. Better to get the players where the drop off is HUGE between the top couple and the rest, which are the bigs and the wings.

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66. "RE: Shawn Marion was a four-time All-Star, dude."
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LOL you right fam. His game is so ugly and he fell off so hard as soon as he got traded that I always underrate how much of a beast he was in his prime.

People like Beal's pluckiness fam. They see that try hard and that midwest grittay and love it. He bangs on people at a small stature. Plus he got so much hype in high school and even though he didn't live up to it, he didnt bust out either. Also people give him a pass because Billy D isn't the greatest strategist around. That team was all pace and pressure so it's hard to get a read on what was his fault and what wasn't.

When Lamb was quiet and stoic and beasting as a second option people loved him. When he was stoic and still getting numbers his team got fucked over people hated.

If the Cavs could get Jenkins or Doron with that 1st pick in the second round? That would be a steal fam.

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69. "Jenkins won't fall out of the first..."
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... but he'll be available with that pick from the Lakers.

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77. "that's where i'm at, and last draft was good so i have high hopes"
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if little gilbert can make a lucky pick again, we should be set

  

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71. "LMAO....gettin high bamma reading off Perry twitter, dogg. "
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https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2155563711/yjieKE02

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76. "wonder how many beckys he knocked off while @ baylor?"
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at least triple digits, wouldn't you think?

  

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96. "Okay I will throw another name out there..."
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Anthony Davis

Good big man with decent offensive skills that blocks shots. Him on the frontline with Tristan would make the Cavs really strong inside.

  

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97. "never heard of him."
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i blame hip-hop.

  

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98. "So you didn't watch Kentucky this season huh?"
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100. "I'm trying not to get my hopes up to high, but...."
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I guess the lotto is a week from then, so we'll know what we can do then

  

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101. "I believe that they can't do any worse than the #3 spot"
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104. "Nah, I'm pretty sure the worst pick we can get is sixth "
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Third or sixth don't matter when talking bout Spiderman Anthony Davis though- he'll be going overall

We'd be fucking set with Kyrie & AD

  

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102. "^^sleeper alert"
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109. "lol"
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103. "Lol@ a fukin cavs post going plat in the postseason"
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105. "That's a good sign, hater ass nigga "
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106. "That's a good sign, hater ass nigga "
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118. "This is a Duke agenda post in disguise"
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Sorry to break it to u


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129. "Honestly, it pretty much is"
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Bags and Longo on that bullshit. They don't want anyone who even has a chance to be as good as Kyrie and they wouldn't give a fuck about this team if Kyrie wasn't on it.


numark is just a shit head who doesn't have a clue on what kind of player that Cavs' brass are targeting.

  

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130. "No one in this draft will be as good as Kyrie, so I don't care about tha..."
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I want the best players possible to go to Cleveland to help that kid.

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132. "Let's be honest, the kid with the eyebrow AT-LEAST as a chance"
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and to act like he doesn't is just foolish. THAT kid has MVP and DPOY potential, he can be almost any player he wants to be from Camby, Dirk, Duncan or KG and he'll probably suit his game to match anyone of their's as his career goes on.

We need efficient, high-character guys, like Kyrie. The prospects that you guys are campaigning in this thread are pretty much the EXACT opposite.

  

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137. "He's not Duncan good, lol. Come on."
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When Duncan came into the draft, he was definitely above Davis.

Davis is probably somewhere between Marcus Camby and Kevin Garnett, which is incredibly good. I'd LOVE for the Cavs to get him.

But Kyrie is MVP-level good too.

I'm not convinced Davis will be as good as Kyrie... but you're right, he has a chance. But he's the only one, and if the #1 pick doesn't go to the Cavs, then that doesn't matter.

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139. "there is no chance anyone in this draft is as good as kyrie"
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AND-0

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162. "I give Davis a 10-15% chance."
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I give MKG a 2% chance.

Everyone else has a zero percent chance. And even the top picks don't even sniff 25%.

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152. "Well, not yet"
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>When Duncan came into the draft, he was definitely above
>Davis.


Yeah but he can be as good. Timmy said he always wanted to be a PG no matter how big he got. AD was a PG that got big, I see similarities in that. They're both high motor, high character guys. If HE lands in the right situations, like Timmy did, it's light out, he can be one of the GOATS.

>Davis is probably somewhere between Marcus Camby and Kevin
>Garnett, which is incredibly good. I'd LOVE for the Cavs to
>get him.


KG has won MVP and DPOY, like I said AD can do.


>But Kyrie is MVP-level good too.


>I'm not convinced Davis will be as good as Kyrie... but you're
>right, he has a chance. But he's the only one, and if the #1
>pick doesn't go to the Cavs, then that doesn't matter.


I'm not getting my hopes up of him landing in Cleveland but that would be something else.

  

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134. "***spolier alert***"
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> they wouldn't
>give a fuck about this team if Kyrie wasn't on it.
>
>

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136. "lol, i was confused. was that supposed to be a revelation?"
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i blame hip-hop.

  

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138. "No, but I'm saying, back the fuck up"
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I won't have ANY fair-weather fan speaking so matter of fact-ly about what MY team should do and what is "risky" especially when they're not making any sense.

If you don't live and die with this team then step off with all that other shit.

  

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140. "if you live and die with the cavs it's probably you that needs to"
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do some self-re-evaluation.

just saying.

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147. "Yeah, probably"
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>do some self-re-evaluation.
>
>just saying.

  

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141. "rooting for a snake-bitten team don't give you extra fan rights..."
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dogg, you tryna appeal the WRONG dude...i don't follow them team rules. i rooted for the pistons half my life, from isiah thru g-hill...

you see me talkin about the pistons?

but, if you'd known my from elementary to high school...oh, you couldn't tell me i wasn't a pistons fans.

i'm a cavs fans. shut up. you and me are lego. we are a damn lego set right now. we are interlocked in this shit together. © JB da gawd

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145. "I gives me something"
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>dogg, you tryna appeal the WRONG dude...i don't follow them
>team rules. i rooted for the pistons half my life, from isiah
>thru g-hill...
>
>you see me talkin about the pistons?
>
>but, if you'd known my from elementary to high school...oh,
>you couldn't tell me i wasn't a pistons fans.
>
>i'm a cavs fans. shut up. you and me are lego. we are a damn
>lego set right now. we are interlocked in this shit together.
>© JB da gawd


You wanna ride for the Cavs now? That's fine but there is a pecking order. Me, Kevlar Skully, Doc, etc then you guys.

You should be happy that the Pistons are gonna draft your boy Perry, if they don't leave him on the board for Harrison.

But let me go focus on the Tribe sweeping the Motor City Kitties, we can kick the shit about the Cavaliers later.

  

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114. "mad?"
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107. "PJ3 is the best player in the draft"
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A just smaller Lamarcus A that's still growing

  

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115. "lmmfao @ that avatar"
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124. "This thread has officially jumped the shark "
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Just stop it y'all, stop cysing these guys that never won shit, on any leverl, just because they're big. Or niggas that's not even as good as Kemba just because they're long.

  

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126. "you don't know anything...that's the problem"
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PJIII could very well be thw best player in this draft. his ceiling is that high.

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127. "But how low is his floor"
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>PJIII could very well be thw best player in this draft. his
>ceiling is that high.


Even thinking that Jones even has a chance to be the best player in the draft should disallow you to talk b ball. Jones' season wasn't ANY better than Harrison Barnes', at all.


He COULD be the best player in the draft. He COULD be a mix of Lebron and KD. He COULD cure cancer one day.

  

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128. "i have no basis to conclude that he could cure cancer..."
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but given his skillset and body type and athleticism...yeah, as i said, he could very well end up as the best player from the 2012 draft

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131. "but the boy ain't go no huuart, so it's really a wash"
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>but given his skillset and body type and athleticism...yeah,
>as i said, he could very well end up as the best player from
>the 2012 draft


again with that "could" thing. Yeah, he very well could but we both know he won't.


If you really believe in this kid then go ahead and say that he WILL be the best player in this draft, otherwise stop cysing and let that boy be a Piston.

  

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133. "if i were SURE, i'd say so..."
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i haven't made any absolute statements of superstardom about ANY of the guys in this draft. so, none of that matters. it's not a slap at perry.

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135. "Well then, stop acting like you know so much or more than me"
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about what the Cavs team needs and wants.

>i haven't made any absolute statements of superstardom about
>ANY of the guys in this draft. so, none of that matters. it's
>not a slap at perry.

You've said what some of theses kids WON'T be. Stop hyping up this kid who's his own worst enemy.

  

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143. "your crticism of jones and lamb is flat out stupid"
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they aren't bad kids. given good environments, i think both would thrive. that was the initial point of this thread, before you started riding for barnes, who went from undisputed #1 to potential bust in 18 months.

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149. "Single black sports fans put on notice? mmmmmmHMMMM"
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>they aren't bad kids. given good environments, i think both
>would thrive. that was the initial point of this thread,
>before you started riding for barnes, who went from undisputed
>#1 to potential bust in 18 months.

Perry was living in a fuckin motel with his fam grinding it out at a job to help pay bills and trying to make this basketball work. Just cause the nigga isnt a bamma and didnt have a Coach K or a Bob Huggins or a Cal on him to bring it out we're supposed to impugn his character and call him a bitch? Nah I'm not for that simple minded shit.

I don't even think Harrison is likely to bust. I think he'll quickly figure out the shit he cannot do and emphasize the shit he can. But I'm not happy with 'Rie having a second-rate Glen Rice from this draft. If he does bust though it's going to be UGLY. Like James Jones in his prime ugly. Perry could very well not grow and be a bust. But in this league with a good pg that means he'll be a more athletic Derek McKey. For this team I fuck with that

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151. "He did all that just to be sometimey at Baylor?"
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>
>Perry was living in a fuckin motel with his fam grinding it
>out at a job to help pay bills and trying to make this
>basketball work.

  

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153. "He's from Dallas"
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His moms has cardiac issues.
Scott Drew is obviously paying cats.

It's pretty easy to see how he ended up there. Was it the best decision for becoming a better basketball player? Nah. But at 21, I'm excited to see what happens with him being surrounded by smart players in a fluid offense in a league with better spacing.

Byron's offense and Kidd's passing had Richard Jefferson looking like an all-star. 'Rie is by no means Kidd with the vision but I think we can agree that Perry is infinitely more basketball skilled than Jeff and just as, if not more apt to go hard.

If this team is trying to be like the thunder then this would be the Cavs 09 draft. Harden was not the shooter/handler/distributor that Curry was and not the force on offense and long-armed defender that 'Reke was. He also had a really laconic demeanor and didnt win shit at Arizona State cause the coaching was bad and the development was worse.

He got around a star and a dude that refuses to do anything but go hard. He fit in the culture and developed and now niggas act like they didnt spend a year second-guessing the Thunder for taking him at 3.

While I think Beal is going to score fine and Barnes may be a top 15 small forward in 2 years I feel good betting on Perry Jones to put up all around numbers and be a match up problem that makes him more valuable than both those dudes.

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156. "Still though, beyond where he went to school"
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>His moms has cardiac issues.
>Scott Drew is obviously paying cats.
>
>It's pretty easy to see how he ended up there. Was it the best
>decision for becoming a better basketball player? Nah. But at
>21, I'm excited to see what happens with him being surrounded
>by smart players in a fluid offense in a league with better
>spacing.

No matter where he played, he should have been way more aggressive.

>Byron's offense and Kidd's passing had Richard Jefferson
>looking like an all-star. 'Rie is by no means Kidd with the
>vision but I think we can agree that Perry is infinitely more
>basketball skilled than Jeff and just as, if not more apt to
>go hard.

Yeah, I really should be excited about some guy that you just compared to Richard Jefferson. And no one questioned Jefferson's motor and work ethic, he just sucked. I don't want bizarro Richard Jefferson.

>If this team is trying to be like the thunder then this would
>be the Cavs 09 draft. Harden was not the
>shooter/handler/distributor that Curry was and not the force
>on offense and long-armed defender that 'Reke was. He also had
>a really laconic demeanor and didnt win shit at Arizona State
>cause the coaching was bad and the development was worse.

Harden assertiveness and work ethic was never in question. Jones said himself before he went back that he needs to work on his motor. then he sophomore season he shit the bed.

>He got around a star and a dude that refuses to do anything
>but go hard. He fit in the culture and developed and now
>niggas act like they didnt spend a year second-guessing the
>Thunder for taking him at 3.


It's funny that you tried to flip this whole Harden thing around on me when I already used him as an example of why Cavs would take Beal over Lamb even though you say Lamb is better in every way.

>While I think Beal is going to score fine and Barnes may be a
>top 15 small forward in 2 years I feel good betting on Perry
>Jones to put up all around numbers and be a match up problem
>that makes him more valuable than both those dudes.

I'm just not comfortable taking a chance with such a high pick on a guy with motor issues, maybe if we were picking 8-10th and had like nothing to lose.

  

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159. "Troll or dumb pt 2"
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>No matter where he played, he should have been way more
>aggressive.

Yes, everyone should break their offense and force the coaches hand as a developing 18 year old. Of course.

>>Byron's offense and Kidd's passing had Richard Jefferson
>>looking like an all-star. 'Rie is by no means Kidd with the
>>vision but I think we can agree that Perry is infinitely
>more
>>basketball skilled than Jeff and just as, if not more apt to
>>go hard.
>
>Yeah, I really should be excited about some guy that you just
>compared to Richard Jefferson. And no one questioned
>Jefferson's motor and work ethic, he just sucked. I don't want
>bizarro Richard Jefferson.

Nigga you are so mad that you didn't read. Bizarro Richard Jefferson? How did you get that from me saying he was INFINITELY MORE SKILLED than Richard Jefferson? It was a comparison between two players who could be in a similar offense you simple motherfucker. Also, did Perry Jones wake up with a nice handle at 6'10? Or do you think he worked hard at his handle? Did he just wake up with a willingness to pass and court vision or did he work at it?

>
>It's funny that you tried to flip this whole Harden thing
>around on me when I already used him as an example of why Cavs
>would take Beal over Lamb even though you say Lamb is better
>in every way.
>I'm just not comfortable taking a chance with such a high pick
>on a guy with motor issues, maybe if we were picking 8-10th
>and had like nothing to lose.

It's not funny because we took two different aspects of a similar situation and used them to support different arguments. My point is that sometimes you look past production/body language in imperfect situations in order to project attainable growth. You keep trotting out motor issues because it's easy two say in two words and you ignore all the evidence that says you may need to be more fucking nuanced. If you went to work at a place with poor leadership and rudderless co-workers you wouldnt bust your ass to make sure that 1/12th of your company's production was flawless because it would come out fucked up anyway. Niggas act like they're all big "change agent" grinders while they sit around being average as fuck at life.

I don't think Lamb is better in every way. Beal throws his body around more and may finish at the rim better than lamb initially. But as far as Jumper, handle, ability to get his shot off and potential to grow? Lamb all day.

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150. "Just admit that they have motor issues"
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that's what I should have been been saying about those guys, this whole time, instead of character issues, they have motor issues.


>they aren't bad kids. given good environments, i think both
>would thrive. that was the initial point of this thread,
>before you started riding for barnes, who went from undisputed
>#1 to potential bust in 18 months.

I don't think they have all the work ethic as a MKG, Beal and even a Barnes, and there's a reason that they are rated lower than all those guys. I don't think they can deal with how real Byron Scott is.

  

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142. "if he turns out to be a 'Tristan' like pick = W"
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Chris Grant gonna do what it do.

just DON'T pick Harrison Barnes.

  

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146. "I'd much rather have Harrison"
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Jones' motor is NOWHERE NEAR Tristan's, fam.

  

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119. "Gilly on 'Rie 'Rie and possibly playing for Cavs..."
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http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/05/working-toward-the-spotlight/2/

“That’s my best friend,” Kidd-Gilchrist said of last year’s No. 1 overall pick. “I talked with him earlier today actually, and he just told me that the NBA is a man’s League. He said to just take my time with everything, off the court and on the court stuff, and just take my time in general. But most importantly, he just said to continue to keep working hard.”

As a Cleveland native, I asked if he hoped to be reunited with his friend and former teammate on the next level.

“Of course, I’d love to play with Kyrie,” Kidd-Gilchrist told SLAMonline. “But at the same time, I’m going into my own professional career and I’d be happy to play with any team that drafts me. I’m looking forward to being a part of an organization that believes in me, and I’m working hard to be able to bring an impact and positive light to that organization.”

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120. "the takeaway of that excerpt: dat leadership."
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he is takin' it back to Zeke.

even if his Cavs career hits that same doorstop as Floptimus, them "Ky-gibles" gonna make a lot of front-runners mad as shit in the future.

  

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121. "zeke-aguirre did cross my mind, reading that article. "
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125. "Cavs could do much worse than him"
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Namely Perry Jones and Jeremy Lamb. At-least, I don't have to worry if Barnes cares enough, I just know that he cares about his brand more. The former are just space cadets.

  

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148. "...This nigga"
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I'm getting closer and closer to that bandwagon. Dat' synergy. He would beast so hard with Tristan. It would be like Grizzlies east...but with dudes better at playing good ball and not just being good at basketball stuff.

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154. "i.e. more blackboard, less blacktop"
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>...but with dudes better at playing good ball
>and not just being good at basketball stuff.

  

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155. "RE: i.e. more blackboard, less blacktop"
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>>...but with dudes better at playing good ball
>>and not just being good at basketball stuff.
>
I love the Grizzlies but when I watch them I just wish they had one nigga who could come off a pick and hit a pull up consistently. Gay doesnt work off the ball well and OJ is...OJ. They go. so. hard. though

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158. "RE: i.e. more blackboard, less blacktop"
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>I love the Grizzlies but when I watch them I just wish they
>had one nigga who could come off a pick and hit a pull up
>consistently. Gay doesnt work off the ball well and OJ
>is...OJ. They go. so. hard. though

lol @ OJ is OJ.

yeah. I briefly had thoughts of somehow Gil-weed enticing him to the Wine and Gold, but I thought better of it. That sort of energy is much enjoyed though. Memphis in general.

but watching them and the Clips, it was like an elite Randallwood hooping classic.

  

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161. "All Zelma George Everything"
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160. "Draft him."
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163. "Seeeeee...Perry blowing up in workouts already per Chad Ford"
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"Perry Jones is killing it in this workout. Playing as a 3. Speed, skill, explosiveness, soft jumper. Energy. Another Paul George?"

Look, man...Lamb, Jones or Gillie outside of AD at #1 ( which I'd trade, btw...but that's new issue...nevermind)....ANYTHING ELSE and the Cavs might fuck this up horribly. They can't do worse than 6...that's 4 muhfuckas that I will be fine with....FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK DON'T RUIN THIS!!!!!

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164. "You'd trade that #1?"
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I don't see anyone that's tradeable that would be worth giving up AD for. Dude isn't going to come in and score 20 like Tim Duncan but his D and passing are so advanced for his age. His jumper is cool and he can play that high post. Tristan can play the 5 and that frontcourt is beast for 5 years

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165. "Under the right circumstances....I would."
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If Orlando wanna come off D12 for it

If it's possible to get Perry and Lamb with the Hornets or Blazers double picks...yup. Jones at 3...Lamb at 10...for the #1...yup, I'd go for it. I'd go all the fuckin way.

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166. "You got them workout reports on ESPN insider he's writing up?"
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http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-long-and-late-movie-show/id498789655

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167. "It clearly says 'Cavs fans' but where is Radin????? Ohhhh yeah!"
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168. "yup...i made up my mind...trade the #1 if they get it. "
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171. "Who's your first call? What offers are you making?"
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172. "1. Magic...then, Portland/NewOrleans...then, maybe, Charlotte"
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1. you gotta try for d12, provided his backeyotomy don't haunt him LJ-style

2. trade the 1 and 24 (or just the 1, if they don't press when you insist on it JUST BEING THE #1) to one of these squads...two picks in the 3-10 get you perry AND lamb, which are the two guys i REALLY want for the cavs.

3. charlotte, you could trade the 1 for the 2-3 AND get hendo as your starting SG...jordan is THAT PRESSED and scared.

those are the scenarios.

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169. "I'ma be petty as shit and put this right here"
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Jonathan Givony
‏@DraftExpress

He's a "great kid" RT @ClevTA: I don't understand the Beal fascination. Short SG (6-3) who's best attribute was mediocre last yr (33% 3pt%)

SEE THEM QUOTES NIGGA?!?!? DAT 'CISM AT WORK. (first name Skepti)

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170. "like, dogg, beal-doubters COULD be wrong...very wrong..."
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but, i DON'T CARE. i don't wanna chance it. i'd feel better about being wrong about lamb than i would about beal and that's the bottomline.

wayne ellington a good kid, too. and a better shooter. and tested out at a higher vertical than harden, henderson, tyreke and t-will.

i DO NOT want beal with kyrie. PERIOD.

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173. "RE: like, dogg, beal-doubters COULD be wrong...very wrong..."
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>but, i DON'T CARE. i don't wanna chance it. i'd feel better
>about being wrong about lamb than i would about beal and
>that's the bottomline.
>
>wayne ellington a good kid, too. and a better shooter. and
>tested out at a higher vertical than harden, henderson, tyreke
>and t-will.
>
>i DO NOT want beal with kyrie. PERIOD.

Powerful. I like that Beal played 3 and boarded for that team. I like that he doesn't seem dumb at all. But I don't like a stroke that ppl think is going to magically come together. I don't like 6'3 without otherworldly athleticism or coordination. I don't like the on-ball defense struggle we all know he's going to have. I don't think he's terrible I just don't like his fit. On a team with Rubio? where Ricky could guard some 2's and Love would draw perimeter defenders in a step or stretch the help d? That's great. Not in Cleveland.

Why'd you have to bring up T-will tho? That was the LAST time that I overlooked goofy and aloof when discussing a prospect. NEVER AGAIN.

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174. "RE: like, dogg, beal-doubters COULD be wrong...very wrong..."
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>Powerful. I like that Beal played 3 and boarded for that team.
>I like that he doesn't seem dumb at all.

i discount all of this. it don't even factor into anything.

edit: him playing 3 don't matter to me, but him clearly not being dumb is the ONLY plus i give him.

But I don't like a
>stroke that ppl think is going to magically come together.

that's my thing. look, if your shooting stroke is TIGHT, meaning you can replicate arc and line at a consistently high level, you will shoot at least 35% from 3 AT THE ABSOLUTE WORST, I'M TALKING CAREER LOW...unless you taking bad shots...now, by all accounts, beal has good shot selection. what gives? you gotta ask questions like this, dogg. numbers ain't lying on nobody. i watched beal a handful of times. he didn't take bad shots. HE WAS MISSING, YOUNG! lmao...people pressed to lie for this kid.


I
>don't like 6'3 without otherworldly athleticism or
>coordination.

exactly. he got a hint of "tron" in his game, one of them bammas with no wiggle that seems to move at 90-degree angles. barnes is the KING of that shit in this draft.


I don't like the on-ball defense struggle we all
>know he's going to have. I don't think he's terrible I just
>don't like his fit. On a team with Rubio? where Ricky could
>guard some 2's and Love would draw perimeter defenders in a
>step or stretch the help d? That's great. Not in Cleveland.

agree with all that. especially playing with love. love would make him famous off kick-outs...if he can hit open shots.

>Why'd you have to bring up T-will tho? That was the LAST time
>that I overlooked goofy and aloof when discussing a prospect.
>NEVER AGAIN.

i was just mentioning all the top SG propects from 2009.

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176. "Except you did JUST that with Lamb and Jones the Third "
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>
>Why'd you have to bring up T-will tho? That was the LAST time
>that I overlooked goofy and aloof when discussing a prospect.
>NEVER AGAIN.

  

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177. "NOOOOOPE"
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>
>>
>>Why'd you have to bring up T-will tho? That was the LAST
>time
>>that I overlooked goofy and aloof when discussing a
>prospect.
>>NEVER AGAIN.
>
You aren't dragging me into your lack of intricate knowledge for the human condition. Goofy and Aloof=not serious about the business of hooping.

Lamb and PJ3 are quiet niggas. Maybe a bit reserved. Less likely to get too high and start high-capping. In PJ3's case a little too likely to get down on himself. None of these things mean that they won't take the responsibility of being an nba player seriously. Try again dog. Taking it back to that empirical evidence I'ma point to the under-19 games when Lamb had some serious coaching. While niggas like Joe Jackson were acting an ass, Lamb and Patric Young put up numbers, hit game winners and generally tried to carry that team. It was imperfect (you know, cause niggas are developing and shit) but leadership was displayed.

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179. "lol @ "serious coaching" with Paul Hewitt of all people"
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175. "So, goes to show everyone's bias of his size and put to much into #s"
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>
>Jonathan Givony
>‏@DraftExpress
>
>He's a "great kid" RT @ClevTA: I don't understand the Beal
>fascination. Short SG (6-3) who's best attribute was mediocre
>last yr (33% 3pt%)
>
>SEE THEM QUOTES NIGGA?!?!? DAT 'CISM AT WORK. (first name
>Skepti)


Isn't MKG a "great kid" as-well? A undersized 2 or a defensive stopper as your overall #2 or #3 pick is pretty much a wash. I'll be happy with either.

Talk about Beal's numbers all you want. He got better when it mattered and if he was any better in those moments then the gap between #2 and #3 would be even that much tighter.

And you can use the same excuse that you use for Jones and say that he played out of position too, but you won't because of size bias.

  

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178. "RE: So, goes to show everyone's bias of his size and put to much into #s"
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Huh nigga? I just gave him credit for playing out of position. That doesnt have anything
to do with my concerns about how his game translates. I even pointed out a situation more palpable to his skillset. You tripping cause you want to be right on something that's not provable. So you can flail with poorly executed arguments and I'ma be over with logic and facts chilling.

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