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it's kinda sad.

"what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" line of thinking.

A few years ago an Iverson-Nash comparison would have been laughable...

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Timmy goes down as the GPFOAT. Shaq goes down as the most dominant force since Wilt, but as low as 5th best center.

Coaches: Shaq had Feel and Pat. Timmy has Pop. Wash

Teammates: Shaq had Penny, Kobe, D-wade and Lebron in their primes. Timmy had Manu, Top-five Tony and the ghost of David Robinson- Edge Shaq

Shaq's career SHOULD have sonned Timmy's. It didn't. Shaq is an underachiever.

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"Timmy goes down as the GPFOAT."

because he's really a center

"Shaq goes down as the most dominant force since Wilt"

and we can end the argument here

"Coaches: Shaq had Feel and Pat. Timmy has Pop. Wash"

"Teammates: Shaq had Penny, Kobe, D-wade and Lebron in their primes. Timmy had Manu, Top-five Tony and the ghost of David Robinson- Edge Shaq"

I hate both of these arguments

Shaq took 3 different franchises to the finals

or did you forget his time in ORL

shout out Brian Hill

and you're criticizing him for not making the finals on Bron's team

in his 17th season

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I don't know how you can discount playing alongside the three best players of their generation, not to mention a 2-time MVPin Steve Nash.

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Penny was nice but top to bottom that Spurs team was better.

You also didn't include coaching. Duncan got Pop from day 1. If Shaq had him or gotten Phil Jackson from Day 1, I think he'd have even more rings.

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have been a little past is prime but he was still a major factor on those San Antonio teams especially the first title team, even on the second one his scoring was down but he was still a big presence for them defensively

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better career: tim
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Shaq more famous and more money but didn't get to finish his career in one city like Duncan.

But if Tim wasn't incorrectly labeled the greatest PF ever, and correctly labeled one of the best centers ever, how would the two be compared?

Is Bill Russel no longer a center for these purposes? We have to rate Timmy as a PF because his teams always started someone else at center.

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>Shaq more famous and more money but didn't get to finish his
>career in one city like Duncan.


as in had to read it twice to make sure i wasn't missing something

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careers that would make it more desirable than the other. If duncan wins a 5th ring then he gets the nod. But until then, it's cosmetic shit IMO.

he aint even top 6

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If you think Timmy was a center, you have to take into account that he shared the lane with another 7-footer for his entire career. Another center to take away low-post touches, boards AND blocks. No other center on the list had that. YOU CAN'T COMPARE DUNCAN TO CENTERS.

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>If you think Timmy was a center, you have to take into
>account that he shared the lane with another 7-footer for his
>entire career. Another center to take away low-post touches,
>boards AND blocks. No other center on the list had that. YOU
>CAN'T COMPARE DUNCAN TO CENTERS.

i.e. the Spurs' actual center. Duncan was a PF.

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selfish players have become team players on duncan's team. pop gets credit, but the admiral and then duncan have had the leadership to show that that mindset applies to the whole team.

and i could easily see tony being an asshole in another environment.

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Duncan is declining and about where Shaq was in his 14th season.

So I'd go with Diesel because I think he was more dominant. If Duncan started on that Magic team and Shaq on the Spurs with Pop, I think the Spurs dynasty would have been ridiculous.

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of ppl who feel like Shaq didn't get all he could have out of his career, I don't know if anyone can make the case he had a BETTER career than TD...

Duncan on the other hand was expected to be a great player but I don't think anyone envisioned he'd end up as the GOAT power forward, I know I didn't. Shaq could've, should've been the GOAT center but instead he ended up as the 5th best center all time which is impressive but he left a lot on the table.

Duncan has more MVPs, equal the amount of finals MVPs as Shaq, same number of titles.

Duncan was a better all around player too. He post up game is up there w/Hakeem's and Mchale's and unlike Shaq, he brought it on the defensive end also.

Plus, Duncan is going to retire w/ONE squad while Shaq was embarrassing himself in the latter part of his career by hopping on any team that was a contender.

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>Duncan was a better all around player too. He post up game is
>up there w/Hakeem's and Mchale's and unlike Shaq, he brought
>it on the defensive end also.


through their first 15 seasons, Shaq was a better AND more efficient scorer, he was better rebounder and shot-blocker too

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>through their first 15 seasons, Shaq was a better AND more
>efficient scorer, he was better rebounder and shot-blocker
>too

that's cuz early on in Shaq's career all he did mostly was dunk. He didn't really improve his low post moves til later on...and he SHOULD'VE AVERAGED more boards and blocks than Duncan, in fact w/his size, strength and sheer dominance, he should've led the league in rebounding a few times...but he NEVER did in his career in either category

to be honest, Duncan never really averaged eye popping stats mainly because of the system he played in under Popovich but he is nonetheless the best player of his era.

grassrootsphilosopher

>to be honest, Duncan never really averaged eye popping stats
>mainly because of the system he played in under Popovich but
>he is nonetheless the best player of his era.

"the system" made him a less efficient scorer and worse rebounder and shot-bocker? FOH clown...

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have averaged 25-28ppg 12-14rpg? I've said the same in reference to Ginobili

The Spurs (championship) teams/offense under Popovich has always averaged around 80-85 pts per gm...remember against the Pistons in 2005 the experts/commentators were saying whoever gets to 80pts first wins the game(s). They still have the same system today which is why, for instance, even though Tony Parker is having an MVP type season on paper his numbers don't look as impressive as Chris Paul's and/or Westbrook's...but if you actually *watch* the gms you'd know he's just as good and effective as both of them...

>>to be honest, Duncan never really averaged eye popping stats
>>mainly because of the system he played in under Popovich but
>>he is nonetheless the best player of his era.
>
>"the system" made him a less efficient scorer and worse
>rebounder and shot-bocker? FOH clown...

I forgot I was talking to the ultimate box score follower

grassrootsphilosopher

>have averaged 25-28ppg 12-14rpg? I've said the same in
>reference to Ginobili

you mean if he played on a shit team and padded like Love? Great players get numbers AND rings.

The bottom line is Shaq was a WAY more efficient scorer, even later in his career when he wasn't "dunking all the time".

>The Spurs (championship) teams/offense under Popovich has
>always averaged around 80-85 pts per gm...remember against the
>Pistons in 2005 the experts/commentators were saying whoever
>gets to 80pts first wins the game(s). They still have the same
>system today which is why, for instance, even though Tony
>Parker is having an MVP type season on paper his numbers don't
>look as impressive as Chris Paul's and/or Westbrook's...but if
>you actually *watch* the gms you'd know he's just as good and
>effective as both of them...

So Parker is as good as Chris Paul and Westbrook now? I think you need to go lie down...

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understand what you're watching?

Compare Duncan at his respective position to other great power forwards in their prime and you'll see that his numbers aren't as impressive as Barkley's, Malone's, McHale's, or even Elvin Hayes, yet, he was better than ALL of them irrespective of stats. If this is just abt who had the best stats for determining who had the better career then Duncan loses that argument to not just Shaq but to several other great big man.

The fact of the matter is that of all the elite great players that most ppl usually include in their top 10 or top 15 all time list, Duncan is w/o question the most selfless player of any of them, easily. Even in his prime he, unlike the Diesel, never cared abt stats.

Lets not forget that it was Shaq who once said in reference to Bean hogging the ball that "if the big dog don't eat the house don't get guarded"...so in other words he was saying that if he can't get his points, he won't play D - Duncan WOULD NEVER SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, certainly not in the press. Shaq's selfishnesss is a big part why he and Kobe couldn't co-exist in the latter part of his time in LA...because he still wanted to be "the man" and lead the team in scoring when he should have been eager to pass the torch to Bean for the sake of winning


>>have averaged 25-28ppg 12-14rpg? I've said the same in
>>reference to Ginobili
>
>you mean if he played on a shit team and padded like Love?
>Great players get numbers AND rings.
>
>The bottom line is Shaq was a WAY more efficient scorer, even
>later in his career when he wasn't "dunking all the time".
>
>>The Spurs (championship) teams/offense under Popovich has
>>always averaged around 80-85 pts per gm...remember against
>the
>>Pistons in 2005 the experts/commentators were saying whoever
>>gets to 80pts first wins the game(s). They still have the
>same
>>system today which is why, for instance, even though Tony
>>Parker is having an MVP type season on paper his numbers
>don't
>>look as impressive as Chris Paul's and/or Westbrook's...but
>if
>>you actually *watch* the gms you'd know he's just as good
>and
>>effective as both of them...
>
>So Parker is as good as Chris Paul and Westbrook now? I think
>you need to go lie down...

hell yes he is! Paul is better but in a head to head matchup they would probably cancel each other out...and Westbrook is just a gunner, period. And since you wanna bring up efficiency vis-a-vis Duncan vs Shaq, how abt the fact that Parker is a way more efficient scorer than Westbrook and a better passer and just a better team player. Westbrook is a talented *2-guard* who has the lowest basketball IQ of any of the top point guards in the league.

Try again...

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>Compare Duncan at his respective position to other great power
>forwards and you'll see that his numbers aren't as impressive
>as Barkley's, Malone's, McHale's, or even Elvin Hayes, yet, he
>was better than ALL of them irrespective of stats.

BASED ON WHAT??

>The fact of the matter is that of all the elite great players
>that most ppl usually include in their top 10 or top 15 all
>time list, Duncan is w/o question the most selfless player of
>any of them, easily. Even in his prime he, unlike the Diesel,
>never cared abt stats.

Its not about just "getting stats", its about being a go-to player for your team, on Duncan's more often than not that was somebody else.

>hell yes he is! Paul is better but in a head to head matchup
>they would probably cancel each other out...and Westbrook is
>just a gunner, period. And since you wanna bring up efficiency
>vis-a-vis Duncan vs Shaq, how abt the fact that Parker is a
>way more efficient scorer than Westbrook and a better passer
>and just a better team player. Westbrook is a talented
>*2-guard* who has the lowest basketball IQ of any of the top
>point guards in the league.

Westbrook is also probably the best defender of any point guard in the league, Parker is one of the worst

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>>Compare Duncan at his respective position to other great
>power
>>forwards and you'll see that his numbers aren't as
>impressive
>>as Barkley's, Malone's, McHale's, or even Elvin Hayes, yet,
>he
>>was better than ALL of them irrespective of stats.
>
>BASED ON WHAT??

well, first because 3/4 players mentioned HAVE SAID SO...and 2ndly as I said I watched all of them play and Duncan had a bigger impact on the games on BOTH ends of the floor than they did...and w/the exception of Barkley, he is the only one of the 5 players that accomplished what he did w/o the help of another *elite* player by his side (nope, Robinson was nowhere near an elite player when they won those two titles)
>
>>The fact of the matter is that of all the elite great
>players
>>that most ppl usually include in their top 10 or top 15 all
>>time list, Duncan is w/o question the most selfless player
>of
>>any of them, easily. Even in his prime he, unlike the
>Diesel,
>>never cared abt stats.
>
>Its not about just "getting stats", its about being a go-to
>player for your team, on Duncan's more often than not that was
>somebody else.

what?????? man, just stop, please LOL. There were plenty of times when Phil would take Shaq out of the game in crucial moments for fear he would get fouled and miss both fts.
>
>>hell yes he is! Paul is better but in a head to head matchup
>>they would probably cancel each other out...and Westbrook is
>>just a gunner, period. And since you wanna bring up
>efficiency
>>vis-a-vis Duncan vs Shaq, how abt the fact that Parker is a
>>way more efficient scorer than Westbrook and a better passer
>>and just a better team player. Westbrook is a talented
>>*2-guard* who has the lowest basketball IQ of any of the top
>>point guards in the league.
>
>Westbrook is also probably the best defender of any point
>guard in the league, Parker is one of the worst

Is this the same Westbrook who got *42* points dropped on him by Parker...in OKC? (so much for being the best defender at the pg position lol) I would rather have Parker and all of his so called bad defense over Westbrick anyday. Westbrick shoots a worst pct. from the floor than all the other top pgs in the league and he averages less assists too - oh, and not to mention he's known for turning the ball over because he plays out of control a lot of times.

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a back and forth abt who's better btw Parker and Westbrick...and since we're seeing in this WCF that Parker is clearly outplaying him not only in distributing the ball effectively to which Westbrick seems allergic to doing...

but

he's also outscoring him too which is supposed to be Rusty's best attribute as a player

TP making that boy look like he just came up from the D-League signed to a 10 day contract lol


>So Parker is as good as Chris Paul and Westbrook now? I think
>you need to go lie down...

grassrootsphilosopher

>to be honest, Duncan never really averaged eye popping stats
>mainly because of the system he played in under Popovich but
>he is nonetheless the best player of his era.

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drafted by a team that didn't already have a center...

the argument that he had a better career than Shaq because he's the best power forward is a bogus argument to me. Tim Duncan was a center who went to a team who already had a center and whose offensive game could work as a power foward. If Duncan had gone to a team that needed a Center and didn't already have one, Duncan would have been a center..still a great center.

Duncan never dominated to the level Shaq dominated..

Duncan's championship teams didn't dominate the way Shaq's 3 peat team did...


Shaq had the better career....

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in this discussion....or perhaps it further adds to Duncan being a better, more versatile big man than Shaq.


>drafted by a team that didn't already have a center...
>
>the argument that he had a better career than Shaq because
>he's the best power forward is a bogus argument to me. Tim
>Duncan was a center who went to a team who already had a
>center and whose offensive game could work as a power foward.
>If Duncan had gone to a team that needed a Center and didn't
>already have one, Duncan would have been a center..still a
>great center.
>
>Duncan never dominated to the level Shaq dominated..

During the Spurs run, Duncan was w/o question the catalyst for those Spurs team. He raised his level of play in the postseason and as I always remind ppl is that he had to go through Shaq and Kobe to get out of the west while NEVER having a 2nd option as good as Shaq had w/Kobe. Moreover, you NEVER, EVER saw Duncan have to come out of playoff gms because his ft shooting might cost them gm.
>
>Duncan's championship teams didn't dominate the way Shaq's 3
>peat team did...

they both have equal amount of championships and Shaq's Lakers only had ONE dominant playoff run in their 3-peat (2001)...both LA and San Antonio ran through Jersey and the Spurs kept on winning when the Lakers were shipping Shaq's fat, disgruntled ass out lol.
>
>
>Shaq had the better career....

nope he didn't...and the argument you provided to say he did doesn't suffice at all.

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He had been drafted by a team who didn't already have a center, he could have been a center.... Not a power forward. I'm just saying that would have changed how people view his career. He wanst a true power forward. He was a center who went to a team that had a center and thus was considered a power forward the rest of his career. He goes to a team where he had to guard other team's centers exclusively, that changes things.

Its like the original twin towers hakeem and ralph sampson... Both themdudes were centers in college. They happen to end up on the same team and because ralph can run the court they consider him a pf, even though really hakeem's build would be more in line with a power forward. People talk about pau returning to his natural position of pf.... That was bs. Pau was a center with the grizzlies. Even when they brought in stromile swift the idea was for swift to be a pf. Nobody ever considered pau a pf. The he comes to the lakers and bynum develops now folks talk about pau being able to return to his natural position. He was never a pf.

To me its more impressive to go the other way its more challenging to be a natural pf and become a center. Best example to me is moses malone. Moses was like 6'9 coming out of high school with a more wiry frame... He played pf in the aba... And early in his career with the rockets. Eventually he evolved into one of the greatest centers ever and was an inside player under 6'10. Being 7 foot and playing center in college then coming in and playing pf because of the make up of the team you went to dÓesnt Ímpress me as much

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How many centers played their entire careers with another 7-footer in the line-up? That shit affects your stats and gameplay. He was never put into a center's situation.

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plus his CAREER numbers points blocks etc. are better than Duncan and Shaq is #1 all time FG%


LOL @ people trying to consider Tim as a PF
He is a C who wasn't good enough at C to bang with the real C's of the league so POP made him play the PF position against bad matchups.


That's like saying Olajuwon should be considered a PF because he played next to Sampson Tree Rollins and Kevin Willis

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Lets talk about Timmy having one more ACTUAL MVP.

Duncan: 1st team All-NBA (9), 2nd team (3), 3rd team(1)
defense 1st team (7), 2nd team (5)

Shaq: 1st team All-NBA (8), 2nd team (2), 3rd team(3)
dedense 3nd team (2)

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at this point. i really cant even process it right now.

I am not sure which side of the argument that helps

Can't say the same about Whaq

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the flopping,1)

the Hack a shaq 2)

the dominace he displayed 3)

robbed easily out of 3 more Regular Season MVP's easily 4)

it wasn't his fault the lakers lost to the Pistons in 04 nor his fault the Magic lost to the Rockets in 95 5)

5 out of the 6 finals he was in if his team wins then he is clearly the mVP period 6)

sHAQ CHANGED the game and was the hardest guy to call a foul one way or the other 7)

Duncan is IMO the 2nd best player after Shaq over the 99-10 era IMO.

however Shaq was just beastly and he made it look so easy.

the last cat to 3 Peat in the finals and he dominated like nobody's business.

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Duncan.

Better defender, gave 100% effort every game, and just a better all-around player.

I don't want to hear about MVP's Shaq coulda won because Duncan could just as easily have been to another finals if not for Fisher's .4 second "shot".

Shaq was also a cancer on teams and drifted around the league searching for rings at the end of his career in a way that was...unbecoming.

LOL @ people saying that Duncan wasn't the go-to guy on his title teams. What will you neighbors think of next.

For the record, it's close enough that I can respect someone who picks Shaq, but I do not agree.

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didn't play with no David Robinson who by the way is one of the 50 greatest and during the spurs first two champions runs he was a better player than Kobe at that point and time IMO. 2)

Duncan didn't deal with seals on the court like Floppy Divac and other human Seals left and right 3)

Hack a Shaq and coaches telling Bigs to use all 24 fouls if necessary, that alone makes Shaq stand leaps and bounds ahead IMO 4)

anybody could have played with Shaq in his prime and got the gold ball, can't say the same for Duncan.

you put Shaq in his prime with Ginobli and Parker and they win about 5 in a row easy.

Duncan and Kobe might get 2 at most.

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>didn't play with no David Robinson who by the way is one of
>the 50 greatest and during the spurs first two champions runs
>he was a better player than Kobe at that point and time IMO.

You can make an argument for 1999 but in 2003.....

>Duncan didn't deal with seals on the court like Floppy Divac
>and other human Seals left and right

Elmo didn't bang with floppers he took them outside the paint, whelp, Whaq didn't have that in his arsenal.

>3)
>Hack a Shaq and coaches telling Bigs to use all 24 fouls if
>necessary, that alone makes Shaq stand leaps and bounds ahead

You are suppose to make your free throws boo boo.

>anybody could have played with Shaq in his prime and got the
>gold ball, can't say the same for Duncan.

Mail Man is still waiting for his gold ball to arrive via USPS

>you put Shaq in his prime with Ginobli and Parker and they win
>about 5 in a row easy.

The same guy that couldn't muster 5 chips playing with the likes of Kobe/Penny/Wade in his & their primes.

>Duncan and Kobe might get 2 at most.

Bean has 2 playing by himself/Elmo has 4, so they would have been good for 6 at the least.

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>>didn't play with no David Robinson who by the way is one of
>>the 50 greatest and during the spurs first two champions
>runs
>>he was a better player than Kobe at that point and time IMO.
>
>You can make an argument for 1999 but in 2003.....
>
>>Duncan didn't deal with seals on the court like Floppy Divac
>>and other human Seals left and right
>
>Elmo didn't bang with floppers he took them outside the paint,
>whelp, Whaq didn't have that in his arsenal.
>
>>3)
>>Hack a Shaq and coaches telling Bigs to use all 24 fouls if
>>necessary, that alone makes Shaq stand leaps and bounds
>ahead
>
>You are suppose to make your free throws boo boo.
>
>>anybody could have played with Shaq in his prime and got the
>>gold ball, can't say the same for Duncan.
>
>Mail Man is still waiting for his gold ball to arrive via
>USPS
>
>>you put Shaq in his prime with Ginobli and Parker and they
>win
>>about 5 in a row easy.
>
>The same guy that couldn't muster 5 chips playing with the
>likes of Kobe/Penny/Wade in his & their primes.
>
>>Duncan and Kobe might get 2 at most.
>
>Bean has 2 playing by himself/Elmo has 4, so they would have
>been good for 6 at the least.
>



Shaq all 8 years in LA was the better player there 1)

Shaq won 4 rings and two runner ups nothing to sneeze at. how many finals did Penny go to post Shaq? and yeah I roll with the Heat, however how often was D Wade in the finals or past the 2nd round Post Shaq AGAIN? as if Paul Gasol didn't change the lakers fortunes? how many years was Kobe knocked out round 1 post shaq until they got Gasoft? 2)


the MailMan was good with the lakers, however not great and the pistons made them look old and useless. it didn't work there. 3)

Shaq ain't gotta stand 15 feet out and act like he is making a cash withdrawel off the bank shot. Shaq did it the old school way. 4)

oh yeah Duncan didn't have a Hall of famer by the Name of David Robinson?

didn't have two very good players by the Name of Ginobli and Parker

and he didn't have a clutch shooter by the name of Robert "Will Smith" Horry.

yeah Duncan did it all by himself. yeah that is the script. 5)

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