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"Meistens belehrt uns erst der Verlust über den Wert der Dinge:Twins '12"


          

We've got a roster. Sort of. Baker starts the year on the DL. Jason Marquis will start the year on the bereavement list to deal with his daughter's apparently very serious bicycle injury. Baker isn't on the active roster now, so he's been DL'd but Marquis hasn't yet. Once he's off, Jared Burton will take his place as we go with a four man rotation and an extra reliever the first trip or two through the pitchers. Sean Burroughs will end up on the list of the infielders. Twenty five.

1,2,3 talk.

Pitchers:
1. Nick Blackburn
2. Alex Burnett
3. Matt Capps
4. Brian Duensing
5. Jeff Gray
6. Liam Hendriks
7. Francisco Liriano
8. Matt Maloney
9. Jason Marquis
10. Carl Pavano
11. Glen Perkins
12. Anthony Swarzak

Catchers:
13. Ryan Doumit
14. Joe Mauer

Infielders:
15. Jamey Carroll
16. Alexi Casilla
17. Luke Hughes
18. Justin Morneau
19. Chris Parmelee
20. Danny Valencia

Outfielders:
21. Trevor Plouffe
22. Ben Revere
23. Denard Span
24. Josh Willingham

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Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
Notable MiLB assignments
Apr 01st 2012
1
Mackey: video of Sano, Michael, Mauer
Apr 02nd 2012
14
BA: Twins rosters roundup
Apr 05th 2012
31
2012 Season Pick'ems
Apr 02nd 2012
2
never mind my pessimism ...
Apr 02nd 2012
4
I really thought you could threaten to extort Carl Pavano for more
Apr 02nd 2012
7
I love that he specified a tan interior
Apr 02nd 2012
8
I'm fine leading the "wins" bandwagon
Apr 02nd 2012
10
Well
Apr 02nd 2012
6
      I like these
Apr 02nd 2012
9
Let's pretend our batting order is of dire importance!
Apr 02nd 2012
3
nietzsche-oka responds
Apr 02nd 2012
5
      This is terrifick
Apr 02nd 2012
11
Draft Talk Week One: A Top Five (plus one)
Apr 02nd 2012
12
The PlusOne
Apr 02nd 2012
13
what happened to all the Appel = Verlander talk?
Apr 02nd 2012
15
Lost in nerves, I think
Apr 02nd 2012
16
      saint walleye, converting the unwashed one poster at a time
Apr 03rd 2012
18
           RE: saint walleye, converting the unwashed one poster at a time
Apr 03rd 2012
19
           On the downdraft clone army recruits
Apr 04th 2012
20
BA: Zunino is mid-way player of the year
Apr 05th 2012
30
La Flechita!
Apr 03rd 2012
17
STrib: Marquis accepts MiLB option for catch-up with New Britain
Apr 04th 2012
21
Watchword for April: Don't panic
Apr 05th 2012
22
deja vu?
Apr 05th 2012
23
      Yes, though I think this one is harder competition-wise
Apr 05th 2012
24
4/6-9 vs. Orioles pick'ems: "hoist the black flag, and begin slitting th...
Apr 05th 2012
25
I didn't even know you watched The Wire, Walleye
Apr 05th 2012
26
pretty sure it's mandatory upon registration
Apr 05th 2012
28
We rewatch it bi-annually
Apr 05th 2012
29
let's start with a sweep and see what happens, eh?
Apr 05th 2012
27
um, the other way?
Apr 09th 2012
39
"The Best Defense is a Good Offense"-themed opening lineup posted
Apr 05th 2012
32
On the road today
Apr 06th 2012
34
4/6 Lineups
Apr 06th 2012
35
      Two AL teams with a first baseman hiting 8th
Apr 06th 2012
36
           Ha... good call
Apr 06th 2012
37
STrib: Baker pulled from rehab start
Apr 06th 2012
33
fuck im sorry i upped the wrong post but this natty boh...
Apr 06th 2012
38
Swept by the Orioles
Apr 09th 2012
40
Miguel Sano can't cheer us up from Beloit
Apr 09th 2012
41
So, I can't see moving pictures because of Iowa
Apr 10th 2012
42
BPro's Goldstein with an in-person look at Sano
Apr 11th 2012
43
WIN
Apr 11th 2012
44
A Twins win, even!
Apr 11th 2012
45
      a female twins win?
Apr 12th 2012
46
           I ... don't care for Joe Cowley
Apr 12th 2012
47
                interesting
Apr 12th 2012
49
                     RE: interesting
Apr 12th 2012
50
Aaron Hicks off to a rare good start
Apr 12th 2012
48
BA: Callis wrangles with some draft projections
Apr 12th 2012
51
Twins win! ... withTWENTY hits?
Apr 12th 2012
52
MinnPost: Baker's surgery likely to end Twins' career
Apr 12th 2012
53
Sad
Apr 12th 2012
54
Pretty much, where Liriano is inconsistent, Baker is just unhealthy
Apr 12th 2012
56
too bad
Apr 12th 2012
55
      Cain is the one I usually compare him to
Apr 12th 2012
57
Hicks, Sano, Mackey on Morneau, etc.
Apr 13th 2012
58
Blackburn/Gutierrez leave with shoulder soreness/Clete Thomas
Apr 15th 2012
59
4/16-4/19 vs. Yankees: Probables, pick'ems
Apr 16th 2012
60
Who wants to party like it's early 2010?
Apr 16th 2012
61
That was fun, wasn't it?
Apr 16th 2012
62
      I almost can't get too excited, because it was so strange
Apr 16th 2012
63
           My wife's theory is that they'll finally relax against NY...
Apr 16th 2012
64
           When we're back in the playoffs in 2016, I hope they keep
Apr 16th 2012
66
           Miguel Sano wont care about Yankees
Apr 16th 2012
67
           Fam, your wife is a baseball fan??
Apr 16th 2012
68
                Second biggest one I know
Apr 16th 2012
69
           Fun fact: Joe Mauer isn't 30 yet
Apr 16th 2012
65
going into this series for the Yanks I felt split at best
Apr 17th 2012
70
I appreciate you badly you've overestimated the Twins
Apr 17th 2012
71
      lol... at least they made Girardi's decision easier
Apr 17th 2012
72
twins quiz!
Apr 18th 2012
73
Doug Mientkiewicz?
Apr 18th 2012
74
      Damn that's probably it
Apr 18th 2012
75
           king of the one run homerun: JACQUE JONES!
Apr 18th 2012
76
                No kidding?
Apr 18th 2012
77
                     i didn't follow the early-aughts twins much at all
Apr 18th 2012
78
                          He led off a surprising amount considering his skillset
Apr 18th 2012
79
LEN3 for BA on Sano and Rosario
Apr 18th 2012
80
Two. Two. Two games from the Yankees ah ah ah ah © The Count
Apr 18th 2012
81
well that was unexpected. i thought we were doomed
Apr 19th 2012
82
I'm no longer confident that we suck
Apr 19th 2012
83
We let Granderson play tee ball and still almost won
Apr 19th 2012
84
      I like to think it can
Apr 19th 2012
86
Dude... Beloit
Apr 19th 2012
85
Hits keep coming: Twins at TB 4/20-4/22, probables, pick'ems
Apr 20th 2012
87
missed the last one
Apr 20th 2012
88
So, Willingham nickname?
Apr 20th 2012
89
not sure how i feel about it.
Apr 20th 2012
91
It's impossible to pronounce, but Josh WillingH.A.M?
Apr 20th 2012
93
      I applied to a history job in Florence, AL
Apr 20th 2012
95
i actually got the reference, and i like it
Apr 20th 2012
92
      Nevermind, the idea of bringing back the dog pound seals it
Apr 20th 2012
94
      Oh, shit
Apr 20th 2012
96
Here it comes, road series win
Apr 20th 2012
90
Who saw that 3 run RBI?
Apr 20th 2012
97
Everyone let Mauer drop far in my fantasy leage and Im like
Apr 20th 2012
98
Sano finally doubles
Apr 21st 2012
99
Fangraphs: Jared Burton's Splangeup
Apr 21st 2012
100
Boston in Target, 4/23-25, probables, pick'ems
Apr 23rd 2012
101
Ugh
Apr 24th 2012
102
That felt like one of those symbols-for-season losses
Apr 25th 2012
103
Nelson: Is Mauer Making a Statement?
Apr 25th 2012
104
new idea for 2012:
Apr 25th 2012
105
It's perfect
Apr 25th 2012
106
Okay, this deserves another gold star
Apr 26th 2012
107
Bust potential: Buxton vs. Zimmer
Apr 26th 2012
108
4/30-5/2 to Anaheim, probables, pick'ems
Apr 30th 2012
109
Morneau returns to Twin Cities to have wrist checked out
May 01st 2012
112
Span: .337 /.387 /.430
Apr 30th 2012
110
gold star for this idea
May 01st 2012
113
      That depends on which direction you want to deviate from it
May 01st 2012
114
BA game report: Gausman vs. Wood
Apr 30th 2012
111
I hate how much I keep coming back to "need"
May 02nd 2012
115
Twins win... but Sano starts riots
May 05th 2012
116
More on Miguel Mejor mad-making
May 05th 2012
117
Wimmers - slight UCL tear
May 06th 2012
118
What's the fastest we can be *good* again?
May 06th 2012
119
STrib: Dozier up, starting at short
May 06th 2012
120
Sr. M21, please collect your "Brian Dozier debut" prize
May 07th 2012
121
Since the team's not going to win anytime soon, I'll take it
May 08th 2012
123
      I was not totally displeased with yesterday
May 08th 2012
124
So... down on the farm?
May 08th 2012
122
both sides of the plate?
May 08th 2012
125
Still a split, but he's closing it
May 08th 2012
126
Big day out: Guerra/Oliveros, Arcia, Sano
May 09th 2012
128
BA on Deolis Guerra
May 09th 2012
131
Holy shit, they won!
May 09th 2012
127
And I didn't get to see the game
May 09th 2012
130
Osterbrock: You suck, Twins doctors
May 09th 2012
129
was just going to post about this
May 09th 2012
132
      Yeah, there's no good here
May 09th 2012
133
Shake-shake-shake... Valencia to Rochester, Liriano to pen
May 10th 2012
134
you're up early
May 10th 2012
135
      Yeah, it's like the purge of 2006 without the incoming talent
May 10th 2012
136
      what about plouffe to third?
May 10th 2012
139
           I've wondered the same thing
May 10th 2012
140
           Guess who's playing third today?
May 10th 2012
142
      I was up for an hour before I posted this
May 10th 2012
137
      I unfortunately agree
May 10th 2012
138
Draft stuff: Luc Giolito is alive
May 10th 2012
141
BA Mock Draft 1.0
May 11th 2012
BA Mock Draft 1.0
May 11th 2012
143
Some BA capsules (old ones) on these guys
May 11th 2012
144
No rumor, just spitballing - Yankees a fit for Span?
May 11th 2012
145
Willingham was a waiver wire steal for me in fantasy. Can he keep...
May 11th 2012
146
Not a 1.000+ OPS, but I think he'll keep hitting
May 11th 2012
147
Thanks for the breakdown. n/m
May 11th 2012
149
he's a good hitter. but be ready for him to be hurt at some point.
May 11th 2012
148
Anybody else impressed with Brian Dozier?
May 12th 2012
150
Is Scott Diamond good?
May 13th 2012
151
He's good enough for this rotation
May 13th 2012
152
      Excellent
May 13th 2012
153
           And Dozier went yard?
May 13th 2012
154
                RE: And Dozier went yard?
May 13th 2012
156
                     you realize the twins don't have a christmas schedule
May 13th 2012
157
                          I'll admit that was oddly phrased
May 13th 2012
160
Mackey tweet on Sano, projecting the bat against the glove
May 13th 2012
155
is outfield that easy a position to learn?
May 13th 2012
158
It's an easier position to be non-embarassing at
May 13th 2012
159
      doesn't it seem stupid to waste that arm at first?
May 13th 2012
161
           It does to me
May 13th 2012
162
Mackey and BA and Ryan make a Sano roundup!
May 14th 2012
163
2012 Twins draft, sexydangerwhiskey edition
May 16th 2012
164
How long do you think it will take for him to see the majors?
May 16th 2012
165
If he signs, pitches this year, and stays healthy...
May 16th 2012
166
      RE: If he signs, pitches this year, and stays healthy...
May 16th 2012
167
2012 Twins Draft, dontdraftforneedexceptthisonetime edition
May 17th 2012
170
2012 Twins draft, bestplayeravailable edition
May 17th 2012
171
2012 Twins draft, thatsfuckingtypical edition
May 17th 2012
172
Apparently, Law, Mayo, and BA all have the Twins taking Buxton
May 18th 2012
175
What an ugly ass start to this game we had
May 16th 2012
168
Doumit hurt himself celebrating a strikeout?
May 17th 2012
169
A series win
May 17th 2012
173
I like "Pitchers and Poets"
May 18th 2012
174
Morneau: .252/.320/.494
May 19th 2012
176
Four wins made me check the standings
May 20th 2012
177
Antony: Twins down to "two or three guys" for draft
May 21st 2012
178
Puckett's Pond: What type of player should the Twins select
May 21st 2012
179
The moment he can pitch, Kyle Gibson might be our 5th best starter
May 21st 2012
180
STrib: Safe travels, Jason Marquis
May 22nd 2012
181
Get to know: Cole DeVries
May 22nd 2012
182
The worst team in baseball ISN'T the Twins
May 23rd 2012
183
your optimism is your weakness
May 23rd 2012
184
      Also, my devastating handsomeness
May 23rd 2012
185
      Nine runs though
May 23rd 2012
186
           Mauer, Morneau, Arsenio, Doumit OPS+: 127, 124, 172, 121
May 23rd 2012
187
Too much: Matt Garrioch with 40 rounds of mock draft
May 23rd 2012
188
Captain Michael "Leader" Cuddyer, team leader
May 24th 2012
189
HOMERZ
May 25th 2012
190
Morneau's was the longest - that should be worth extra
May 25th 2012
191
Mackey: Our prospects are sucking
May 25th 2012
192
New BA mock/Boras breaking bread with Ryan
May 26th 2012
193
Get to know: Your Twins scouting department
May 29th 2012
194
BPro's top 30 draft prospects
May 29th 2012
196
The "trade Morneau" chorus
May 29th 2012
195
So, we all did the circa 1990 dog pound chant, right?
May 29th 2012
197
/whoofs
May 30th 2012
198
6-1/6/3 vs. Indians, probables, pick'ems, general bullshit
May 31st 2012
199
did you just say ... sweep?
May 31st 2012
200
As long as they're still giving playoff spots to the AL Central...
May 31st 2012
201
RE: 6-1/6/3 vs. Indians, probables, pick'ems, general bullshit
Jun 01st 2012
203
More Plouffe confidence
Jun 01st 2012
204
Plouffe!
Jun 03rd 2012
206
June fourth roundup: Sid has an opinion about the fucking draft
Jun 01st 2012
202
BA and BPro release new mocks
Jun 02nd 2012
205
Oswaldo Arcia is out of control
Jun 03rd 2012
207
Draft day!
Jun 04th 2012
208
Last BA mock
Jun 04th 2012
209
You might not have known, but you needed a Shooter rumor
Jun 04th 2012
210
Boras'd?
Jun 04th 2012
211
I'm not sure how I should feel
Jun 04th 2012
212
Buxton has been rated as the best available by plenty
Jun 04th 2012
213
Lots of pitching left on the board
Jun 04th 2012
214
I had Berrios in the sexywhiskydanger edition!
Jun 04th 2012
215
Huh. Luke Bard
Jun 04th 2012
216
STrib: Buxton, Berrios, Bard with Brown still on the board
Jun 05th 2012
217
"He can elevate his fastball"
Jun 05th 2012
218
Apparently Byron Buxton scored from second on a sac fly?
Jun 05th 2012
219
Day Two
Jun 05th 2012
220
LHP Mason Melotakis
Jun 05th 2012
221
who is brown repped by?
Jun 05th 2012
222
      Poor Alex Wimmers
Jun 05th 2012
223
           that was where my head was going
Jun 05th 2012
226
RHP Jason Chargois
Jun 05th 2012
224
Brown to Cleveland?
Jun 05th 2012
225
1B/RF Adam Walker
Jun 05th 2012
227
The Madison Boer plan?
Jun 05th 2012
228
Oooo - I like these last couple
Jun 05th 2012
229
clarify this for me
Jun 05th 2012
230
      Correct
Jun 05th 2012
231
series win?
Jun 07th 2012
232
It's getting a little weird
Jun 07th 2012
233
Fourth in a row
Jun 10th 2012
235
BA: Twins, Rockies have biggest draft hauls
Jun 07th 2012
234
Melotakis signs, Buxton close?
Jun 11th 2012
236
Berrios signs for 1.55mm
Jun 11th 2012
237
Buxton signed, pending physical, ditto Adam Walker
Jun 12th 2012
238
Between Plouffe and Revere, who's more likely to keep up their...
Jun 14th 2012
239
Ooof... that's tough
Jun 14th 2012
240
cool, thanks. n/m
Jun 14th 2012
241
Twins Daily has an opinion on your query
Jun 15th 2012
242
      I'm pissed I didn't get him in fantasy, that dude is unreal, plus he's.....
Jun 15th 2012
243
      I was just worried you had dropped him prior to tonight
Jun 15th 2012
244
           Nah, he was free agent but somebody else had just beat me to him...
Jun 15th 2012
245
      So where does this put Danny Valencia?
Jun 16th 2012
246
TD: Arcia promoted to New Britain
Jun 18th 2012
247
I should add, he's already on the 40-man
Jun 18th 2012
248
6/19-6/21 vs. Pirates, Probables, Chatter, Pick'ems
Jun 19th 2012
249
i mean, we should beat the pirates, right?
Jun 19th 2012
250
Right? They're still the Pirates
Jun 19th 2012
251
      after catching up on the thread
Jun 19th 2012
254
           He's been different than advertised
Jun 19th 2012
255
RE: 6/19-6/21 vs. Pirates, Probables, Chatter, Pick'ems
Jun 19th 2012
252
I'd like to see Hendriks against an NL team
Jun 19th 2012
253
Octavio Dotel is a gift-giver
Jun 19th 2012
256
Bam! Jared Burton'd!
Jun 19th 2012
257
That was satisfying
Jun 21st 2012
260
So, I'm completely prepared to love Byron Buxton
Jun 20th 2012
258
Relatedly, short season assignments of note
Jun 20th 2012
259
What do you know, a pitching sleeper?
Jun 21st 2012
261
Oswaldo Arcia selected for futures game
Jun 22nd 2012
262
Twins considering what to do with Doumit
Jun 24th 2012
263
Joe Mauer vs. Aroldis Chapman
Jun 24th 2012
264
And Willingham homers
Jun 24th 2012
265
Joe C: Mauer vs. Chapman one for the ages
Jun 25th 2012
266
Capps to DL, Tyler Robertson up
Jun 25th 2012
267
6/25-6/27 vs. Evergreen Park, probables, pick'ems
Jun 25th 2012
268
Revere is hitting .331
Jun 26th 2012
269
so annoying that I can't watch Sox/Twins games
Jun 27th 2012
271
      I had the same problem when the Twins played Cincinnati
Jun 27th 2012
272
           Are you going to listen to the Hawkaroo today?
Jun 27th 2012
273
                Nope
Jun 27th 2012
274
                     What about Stone Pony?
Jun 27th 2012
275
                          I was hoping he'd be a good influence on Harrelson
Jun 27th 2012
276
                               Is there a reason why you guys keep starting Blackburn?
Jun 27th 2012
277
                                    You're not missing anything
Jun 27th 2012
278
                                    So, as an illustrative example...
Jun 27th 2012
279
Hageman: What a Francisco Liriano trade would look like
Jun 27th 2012
270
In the middle of a move, it'd be nice to watch some baseball
Jul 02nd 2012
280
trevor plouffe hit 13 homeruns in june
Jul 02nd 2012
281
      I got an email from a friend about Plouffe's low RBI totals
Jul 02nd 2012
282
PLOUFFE!
Jul 03rd 2012
283
I saw the crawler on MLBNetwork
Jul 03rd 2012
284
Thoma: Taking a swing at a subtle change
Jul 03rd 2012
285
Fangraphs: What the Plouffe?
Jul 04th 2012
286
Who's got time for a Shooter rumor?
Jul 04th 2012
287
Nick Blackburn, come on down (to Rochester)
Jul 05th 2012
288
was partially watching tuesday's game
Jul 05th 2012
289
      I liked that the STrib actually called them on it
Jul 05th 2012
290
Meet Sam "Fucking" Deduno, your eleventh Twins starter
Jul 06th 2012
291
applause for the nickname only.
Jul 07th 2012
292
      It's inspired by the range of possibilities
Jul 07th 2012
293
That was brutal
Jul 09th 2012
294
'aye' to a new thread
Jul 09th 2012
295

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1. "Notable MiLB assignments"
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Rochester: Dozier, Benson, Gutierrez
New Britain: Deolis Guerra, Lester Oliveros, Alex Wimmers, Chris Herrmann, Aaron Hicks, Pedro Florimon
Ft. Myers: Levi Michael, Oswaldo Arcia, Adrian Salcedo
Beloit: Miguel Sano, Eddie Rosario

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14. "Mackey: video of Sano, Michael, Mauer"
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I kind of wish they'd shown where the ball went, because a broken bat double is pretty weird. Though Sano seems to have the power to make some weird stuff happen. Michael looks ready to take pitches but got punched out looking. And Mauer already knows how to take pitches and took what looks like it was about to be a walk before the clip ended.

http://www.1500espn.com/videos/twins_top_prospect_miguel_sano_legs_out_a_brokenbat_double

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31. "BA: Twins rosters roundup"
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A couple good sleeper names to keep an eye on. In my glee that they were jumping Levi Michael straight to Ft. Myers, I forgot about Tyler Grimes, who apparently has some kind of fun defensive tools. I had read somewhere the Summers would join Boer in the rotation, but I guess that's not the case. Either way, Beloit looks like the place to go if you're prospect-watching. I don't know how much time any of you spend in...what, southern wisconsin, northern Iowa or western illinois, but you can catch the Sano and Rosario show in those flat, dull ruralities.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2012/04/twins-roster-roundup/

Twins Roster Roundup

Posted Apr. 5, 2012 9:57 am by John Manuel
Filed under: Roster Analysis
Loaded Roster

As hoped, the Twins will team several of their top infielders at low Class A Beloit. That includes No. 1 prospect Miguel Sano, as well as Eddie Rosario, his tag-team partner last year at Rookie-level Elizabethton. They combined to hit 41 homers in a half-season last summer. Tyler Grimes and Adam Bryant, a pair of solid college shortstop draftees, join them in the infield, with Grimes figuring to play shortstop. Speedster J.D. Williams mans the outfield, with sleeper Taiwainese prospect Wang-Wei Lin. Three 2011 draftees—righthanders Madison Boer and Matt Summers and lefthander Corey Williams—highlight the pitching staff. Boer, as expected, will start. The other two are currently listed in the bullpen.

Leap Of Faith

The Twins have a glut of shortstops everywhere but in Minnesota. That, and his polished bat, prompted the Twins to jump Levi Michael to high Class A Fort Myers to make his pro debut. The 2011 first-round pick out of North Carolina missed the summer and instructional league games with soft-tissue injuries in his pelvis and groin. The Double-A New Britain rotation will also feature a couple of mild leaps of faith. Righthander Alex Wimmers is a 2010 first-rounder who had “the thing” at the beginning of last season but had righted the ship by the end of the year. Indy ball find Andrew Albers, last seen beating the United States in Canada’s Pan American Games gold-medal victory, will join him in the rotation.

Where Is That Guy?

Several of the Twins' young prospects will be in extended spring training, starting with 2011 draftees Travis Harrison, a corner infielder, and righthander Hudson Boyd. The organization's shortstop glut means Niko Goodrum might start his season back in Elizabethton, along with German outfielder Max Kepler. Dutch righthander Tom Stuifbergen and 2009 first-rounder Kyle Gibson start the year on the disabled lists of Fort Myers and Triple-A Rochester, respectively.

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2. "2012 Season Pick'ems"
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Twins wins vs. Twins losses
Mauer appearances at catcher vs. Mauer appearances elsewhere
Morneau homeruns vs. Plouffe homeruns
Willingham homeruns vs. Mauer doubles
Revere steals vs. Span extra base hits
Twins shortstops vs. Twins place in division
Valencia on-base average vs. Jamey Carroll Slugging Average
Team homeruns vs. (2 x Team wins)
Twins starting pitchers vs. Mauer homeruns
Capps saves vs. Twins bullpen field Saves
Two bullpen strikeout leaders vs. Starting strikeout leader
Scott Baker starts vs. Alexi Casilla steals
Chris Parmelee RBI vs. Perkins strikeouts

BONUS DEBUT Picks!
-Brian Dozier
-Carlos Gutierrez
-Chris Herrmann
-Deolis Guerra

Give me:
wins, catcher, Morneau, Mauer, Revere, shortstops, Carroll, wins, Mauer, Field, starter, Casilla, Perkins, July 12, June 8, September 2, September 2.

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4. "never mind my pessimism ... "
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>Twins wins vs. Twins losses
losses
>Mauer appearances at catcher vs. Mauer appearances elsewhere
catcher
>Morneau homeruns vs. Plouffe homeruns
morneau
>Willingham homeruns vs. Mauer doubles
doubles
>Revere steals vs. Span extra base hits
revere
>Twins shortstops vs. Twins place in division
haha ... shit, umm ... shortstops
>Valencia on-base average vs. Jamey Carroll Slugging Average
carroll
>Team homeruns vs. (2 x Team wins)
homeruns
>Twins starting pitchers vs. Mauer homeruns
starting pitchers
>Capps saves vs. Twins bullpen field Saves
bullpen
>Two bullpen strikeout leaders vs. Starting strikeout leader
bullpen
>Scott Baker starts vs. Alexi Casilla steals
casilla
>Chris Parmelee RBI vs. Perkins strikeouts
perkins

>BONUS DEBUT Picks!
>-Brian Dozier
june
>-Carlos Gutierrez
june
>-Chris Herrmann
spetember
>-Deolis Guerra
july

and what's up with pavano having a HS boyfriend who's now extorting him for a range rover? did you already cover this in the spring training thread? just heard it this morning ... and he got shelled yesterday. must be rough knowing someone wants a navy RR with tan interior.

"It's like you gotta step in here with a loaded gun to YOUR OWN HEAD to make sure the bullets don't fly." -- ansomble on OKHT

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7. "I really thought you could threaten to extort Carl Pavano for more"
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Although his level of notoriety isn't what it was when he was in New York I guess. He probably could've threatened for a house with tan interior back then.

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8. "I love that he specified a tan interior"
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Ambiguity is the enemy of a successful extortion, apparently.

We didn't mention it in the spring training thread because it was kind of slow brewing, which I'm sure Pavano was happy with for a few days. It started with "Pavano family victim of extortion attempt" and then "Pavano extortion victim of high school classmate" and then we got the guy's name and the subject of the extortion, sweaty high school love.

It was all kind of confusing, so I definitely didn't duck out of it due to classiness. In my own mind, at least, Pavano's reputation as a top-shelf poonhound remains remarkably stable - which is weird because it's not like I find this whole thing unbelievable. Except the part where the guy claimed to have a 1.2mm book deal that he'd trade for a navy Range Rover, even one with tan interior. Neither part of that, the idea that some publisher would pay millions for a story of Carl Pavano, gay high schooler, or that he'd give up that much money, makes a lick of sense.

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10. "I'm fine leading the "wins" bandwagon"
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>>Twins wins vs. Twins losses
>losses

Still, smart.

>>Morneau homeruns vs. Plouffe homeruns
>morneau
>>Willingham homeruns vs. Mauer doubles
>doubles

Not that pessimistic though. I think the awful badness of 2011 provides almost too much noise to evaluate the question of whether the Twins are likely to field a sub-.500 team if Mauer and Morneau are both healthy.

>>Twins shortstops vs. Twins place in division
>haha ... shit, umm ... shortstops

Time to count this out. We didn't carry a real-life backup shortstop on the roster, but Casilla and Plouffe both played there in 2011. Even with Plouffe's permanent exilehood in the outfield, I still think he's choice #3 for shortstop just because he's the guy who's there.

So that's three that I can see playing shortstop this season. Awful division aside, second place is still above .500, so we've got to dig deeper. Dozier is on the 40-man, and I think Florimon needs to be added this off-season if they want to keep him in the organization, so they may do that before then. That makes five, a fourth place finish.

Luke Hughes in an emergency appearance for last place? The return of Nietszche-oka?

>>Team homeruns vs. (2 x Team wins)
>homeruns

The Twins hit 103 homeruns last year. For reference.

>>Two bullpen strikeout leaders vs. Starting strikeout leader
>bullpen

Oof. Almost definitionally. This is a recipe for a bad year unless you've got a pair of Carlos Marmol's.


>>-Brian Dozier
>june
>>-Carlos Gutierrez
>june
>>-Deolis Guerra
>july

These do not portend good things. I really hope all three of these guys play their way to the team's attention, because they have the talent and I don't think we're so good that they should be left down. But that's not how the Twins work and stuff has to go wrong for all these guys to debut this early.

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6. "Well"
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>Twins wins vs. Twins losses
Losses
>Mauer appearances at catcher vs. Mauer appearances elsewhere
Catcher. If he shifts permanently it won't be until late in the year.
>Morneau homeruns vs. Plouffe homeruns
Plouffe
>Willingham homeruns vs. Mauer doubles
Doubles
>Revere steals vs. Span extra base hits
Span
>Twins shortstops vs. Twins place in division
Shortstops
>Valencia on-base average vs. Jamey Carroll Slugging Average
Valencia
>Team homeruns vs. (2 x Team wins)
Wins
>Twins starting pitchers vs. Mauer homeruns
Homers
>Capps saves vs. Twins bullpen field Saves
Bullpen field saves
>Two bullpen strikeout leaders vs. Starting strikeout leader
Starter
>Scott Baker starts vs. Alexi Casilla steals
Baker
>Chris Parmelee RBI vs. Perkins strikeouts
RBIs
>BONUS DEBUT Picks!

>-Brian Dozier
May 16
>-Carlos Gutierrez
August 1
>-Chris Herrmann
September 1
>-Deolis Guerra
August 20

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9. "I like these"
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>>Twins wins vs. Twins losses
>Losses

Somebody's got to say it. Good for you.

>>Mauer appearances at catcher vs. Mauer appearances elsewhere
>Catcher. If he shifts permanently it won't be until late in
>the year.

Smart, smart answer. And I suspect if that switch occurs, it'll be due to a DL trip. So it'll be hard to accumulate more time at another position even if 2012 turns out to be the year he switches for good.

>>Morneau homeruns vs. Plouffe homeruns
>Plouffe

Followup: Order the top three homerun hitters.

>>Willingham homeruns vs. Mauer doubles
>Doubles

Health assumed, that's a regular, stunning-but-not-MVP Mauer year.

>>Valencia on-base average vs. Jamey Carroll Slugging Average
>Valencia

Oof.

>>Twins starting pitchers vs. Mauer homeruns
>Homers

Between the picks for catching games, doubles, and this, we're looking at a nice, solid return to form for Mauer.

>>Capps saves vs. Twins bullpen field Saves
>Bullpen field saves

I'm hoping that the field turns out to be Glen Perkins saves, but yeah.

>>-Brian Dozier
>May 16
>>-Carlos Gutierrez
>August 1
>>-Chris Herrmann
>September 1
>>-Deolis Guerra
>August 20


That's soon on Dozier. Good picks otherwise. Even reliever turnover on a good team means that decent arms on the 40-man like Gutierrez and Guerra wont need September roster expansion to make an appearance. I don't believe Herrmann is on the 40-man yet, but I wouldn't be shocked if one of the smallbeans FA signings like Jared Burton or Jeff Gray or Matt Maloney ends up eating it in favor of Herrmann. And if he makes it to the 40-man, he'll be up in September because he's a catcher.

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3. "Let's pretend our batting order is of dire importance!"
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Around the scoring order, we've got Mauer, Parmelee, Casilla, Valencia, Carroll, Willingham, Span, Doumit, and Morneau at DH. What's the optimal lineup for this group?

Given the depth of guys with some over-the-fence power, I'd really like to see Mauer hitting second. I don't think it'll happen, but my ideal would be this:

1. Span - CF
2. Mauer - C
3. Willingham - LF
4. Morneau - DH
5. Doumit - RF
6. Valencia - 3B
7. Parmelee - 1B
8. Casilla - 2B
9. Carroll - SS

There's a L/R alternation in there to prevent getting LOOGY'd. If you remember the fact that Mauer has actually hit 28 homers in a season and has enough doubles power to get power credit when he's healthy, then we're deep from 2-7 with guys that have .450 slugging-type pop. I wanted to put Casilla, Carroll, and Span on the outside of that as a kind of extra top-of-the-lineup for when it all turns over. All that said, I think that the conventional lineup will put Carroll at #2 and push everybody else down one space, which is fine if Carroll draws enough walks to make it work.

So what about days when Mauer and Morneau need to rest their achy bones against a tough lefty? The famed Gardy-getaway-day lineup vs. LHP?

1. Span - CF
2. Carroll - SS
3. Willingham - DH
4. Doumit - C
5. Plouffe - RF
6. Hughes - 1B
7. Valencia - 3B
8. Revere - LF
9. Casilla - 2B

Speedier and obviously not as good. But I like the speed at 8,9,1 bracketing some guys who might actually provide some thump against lefties. With Doumit turning around, that's 2-7 in right-handed bats and 3-7 in righthanded bats with power. We found out last year how much health matters, but if we actually get it in 2012 then I think this team has a chance to score a lot of runs.

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5. "nietzsche-oka responds"
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"all truly great thoughts are conceived by walking."

profound and containing a wonderful play on words which holds ultimate truth.

EDIT: i didn't realize he was no longer with us ... shows you how much i have been paying attention. whoops. i still like the quote, though.

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11. "This is terrifick"
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>"all truly great thoughts are conceived by walking."

Maybe our Japanese philosopher/madman can impute these values onto Joe Benson.

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12. "Draft Talk Week One: A Top Five (plus one)"
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So, a pretty comfortable top five has emerged. There's only shades of an order amongst them but not really a detailed point-by-point. For instance, nobody thinks that Zunino is a 1-1, but nobody seems to act like it would be weird if he went #2. And that's weird because both Appel and Buxton are the leaders in 1-1 goldstars. If only one of them can go first overall, and Zunino is clearly a not a 1-1, then why wouldn't it be odd for the Twins to take Zunino is somebody who is a plausible 1-1 (either Appel or Buxton) is still remaining.

The answer to that question is dumb and requires more analysis of the baseball prospect media than of the actual players involved, so we'll stick with the simple answer: this group isn't so impressive that anybody will seriously beef with any order of the top five. So let's talk about them.

1) Byron Buxton - 6'2", 175, R/R: He's the proto-Twins prep pick out of Georgia. He's been hyped as the best of both Uptons. A fleet centerfielder with strong plate awareness like BJ and huge pop with great makeup like Justin. The downside is obvious: we've got toolsy outfielders in such ridiculous numbers that we're teaching some of them (Eddie Rosario) to play second base. The argument against that is player-based. If Buxton is the best available guy when the Twins pick, he's project as about as much your average "toolsy outfielder" as Rickey Henderson was a "speedy leadoff man". His upside goes beyond type.

2)Mark Appel - 6'5" RHP: Big fastball, good control, plus slider, developing changeup, Stanford pedigree, somehow less than the sum of his parts. For whatever reason, he'll get squared up pretty hard with alarming frequency. If the Twins have something in their bag of tricks to keep that from happening at the pro level without changing what he presently does well, then he's a real 1/2 starter. If they don't, he's still a solid 3/4. There's safety and upside here, but the upside needs a close look.

3)Mike Zunino - 6'2", 220, R/R: A right-handed catcher from University of Florida with good defense behind the plate, a solid eye, those gritty intangibles that you love in a backstop, and big, big pop. The new bat regulations haven't slowed him down a bit over the last two years, as he's hitting .351/.419/.771. If the Twins look closely at Zunino, they'll see a polished catcher who can rise quickly through the minors in spite of the demands of the position. With the earlier signing deadline encouraging some real MiLB time in 2012, how tempting is it to grab a right-handed power hitter that you could maybe pair with Mauer as soon as September of 2013?

4)Kevin Gausman - 6'4", 185, RHP: He's a draft-eligible LSU sophomore and his big fastball has only gotten bigger this year, as Keith Law tweeted news from a scout that Gausman dinged 102mph (complete with photo of the radar gun) in an early March start. I've seen both his curveball and his changeup get good notes, and whatever he's using more this year is working as he's racked up sixty two strikeouts in forty seven innings. BA says he'll occasionally get off mechanically and work higher in the zone than he wants, which explains my totally amateurish opinion of him as "Scott Baker with five more mph on his fastball". But that's a really good pitcher, and only one homer given up so far this year makes the worst part of it look workable. I think he's passed Appel in my estimation, but I haven't seen a mock draft that agrees.

5)Kyle Zimmer - 6'4", 220, RHP - Newcomer to the top five and was only a late first-rounder in BA's first estimation. Throws a hard, mid-90s fastball backed with a curveball that's probably gotten the best marks of any of the secondary pitches for the pitchers in this group. But is it just a kind of thrill of the unknown here? He's only been pitching for a few years, and maybe we need more information to take him at #2. For what it's worth, the quantitative evaluation of "he just pounds the strikezone" has a lot of potential to appeal to the Twins, and if he's pounding it with a 95mph fastball and then burying a hard curve, I think we can all live with those theologies mixing.

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13. "The PlusOne"
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Luc Giolito was starting to gain momentum as potentially the first high school righthander to go 1-1. Then he felt a snag in his elbow in late February. It's risky, but he's received a clean bill of health and is expected to come back in April. That says to me that he wants to get drafted, and if he shows up again carrying that 100mph fastball and deadly curve into the summer then the Twins will be obliged to think about it.

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15. "what happened to all the Appel = Verlander talk? "
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none of these pitchers are doing much for me and it seems as though the real upside in this draft are with those who swing bats for a living.

the LSU sophomore sounds like fun, but there really doesn't seem to be a "sure thing" in this draft.

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What's crazy about him is that the scouting reports aren't getting worse. Mid-90s velocity that he can hold deep into starts? Check. A plus slider that he can throw consistently for swings and misses? Also check. Shit, even Keith Law, who's been beating the "he's not an ace" drum for awhile on Appel, said he saw a few plus changeups in his last outing. Even if the consistency wasn't there, that's actually in improvement in Law's report for Appel because Law has hated his changeup for awhile.

The good news there is that Law also said that a lot of the hard hit balls that Appel gave up were off of the changeups that didn't have good tumble. That changes the "is he worth a 1/2 pick?" narrative because it means that he's not so visible that college kids are squaring up 98mph fastballs.

Right now, the beef with Appel is this:

1. Something is too visible about his fastball and though he's got good control, he doesn't command it in the strikezone.

2. The changeup is still a work in progress, and finding a consistent weapon against lefties will help his iffy command play up.

3. Stanford works him really, really hard.

Here's what Baseball America said about Verlander when they ranked him the #3 prospect in the Tigers organization after the 2004 season:

"Strengths: Equipped with a lightning-quick arm, Verlander regularly pitches in the mid-90s and touched 99 mph several times during the spring. His curveball is a knee-buckling hammer with vicious downward bite, and his changeup could give him a third plus pitch.

Weaknesses: The Tigers will have to make up for lost time and start reshaping Verlander’s delivery when he reports to spring training. His command is affected by his upright finish and short stride, which causes him to leave too many pitches up in the zone. He doesn’t use his changeup as much as he should."

Substitute Appel's slider, which I've seen called "plus-plus" and this is what we're looking at. For a bunch of good reasons, and the bad reason that he could end up being called as a Twin in June, I'm on board with calling Appel the next Verlander. The problem is the wiggle room, the first Verlander had to fix some stuff that a lot of pitchers never fix before becoming the current Verlander. Here's what BA wrote when they ranked him the Tigers #1 prospect before the 2006 season:

"Strengths: Verlander has one of the best arms in the minors and features both the best fastball and curveball in the organization. Tall, lithe and athletic, he generates tremendous arm speed that gives him an electric fastball with both above-average velocity and life. His heater sits at 93-96 mph and touches 99. He commanded his fastball--and all of his pitches, for that matter--much better as a pro than he had in college. Most scouts had noticed that as an amateur, Verlander landed on a stiff front leg, cutting off his follow-through and leading to a tendency to leave his pitches up in the strike zone. The Tigers deemed this flaw correctable, but what impressed them most was how quickly Verlander took to his new delivery. He rarely if ever reverted to his old form. Verlander’s curveball is a true knee-buckler, a power breaker with excellent depth and late bite down in the zone. He has excellent arm speed on his late-moving changeup, which also improved with his new delivery and ranks among the best in the organization."

The command problem was attributed to a delivery issue, which was corrected through both fine organizational coaching and Verlander's own dilligence. The fastball stayed. The curveball stayed. The frontline durability stayed. And he improved his changeup.

I've... now talked myself back into Appel and the Verlander comp. Gausman is still pretty interesting to me, and 102mph is, as you aptly put it "fun," but I like Appel's whole package. Part of me balking at this doesn't have anything to do with Appel, but with the organization. It's not that they've never ironed out the small flaws on a player with ace stuff. Johan Santana literally didn't have a changeup when he met Bobby Cuellar. He was a lefty who threw hard and had a workable slider. Ditto Liriano, except upgrade workable slider to spectacular slider. But it's more that they seem to have given up trying after the 2008 draft. Shooter Hunt got Steve Blass disease. Tootle and Bashore have had about four surgeries apiece and aren't in the organization anymore.

There's a rant in here about just paying these guys we've identified as good coaches through the roof and having them roam to the areas of greatest need according to talent. If Tom Brunansky is magic as Joe Benson and Brian Dozier say, he should be in Beloit right now teaching Miguel Sano to take a pitch and Eddie Rosario to keep his power up. If Bobby Cuellar is the ace whisperer, the Twins should draft Appel and give Cuellar whatever he wants to be his roomie.

>none of these pitchers are doing much for me and it seems as
>though the real upside in this draft are with those who swing
>bats for a living.

What do you think about a dice roll on Giolito? He was getting buzz as a first overall pick before the elbow thing. If he comes back dinging 100mph and throwing a diabolical curve in a major league body even though he'll still be 17 when he's drafted, do we take a shot? Or is there no way in hell we're trusting team doctors with that?

>the LSU sophomore sounds like fun, but there really doesn't
>seem to be a "sure thing" in this draft.

Nope. The front end has filled out a bit, so nobody's calling this draft "weak" anymore. But there's not anybody as good as the top five last year, or Harper or Strasburg before that.

This fact occasionally pushes me towards Zunino. He's the guy who seems the least likely to not become an MLB regular and his game is sexier than people think.

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18. "saint walleye, converting the unwashed one poster at a time"
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>I've... now talked myself back into Appel and the Verlander comp.

yup. i read scout evals only within the safe, warm confines of the OKP twins threads, so, it's pretty much gospel ... for better or worse. seeing appel trend down after being quite high on him last year was an indicator that he wasn't all he was cracked up to be rather than just the possibility of fickle scouts and a tough year at stanford.

regardless, he goes #1, and we have our pick of position players or possibly another good/great arm. i shouldn't be too worried about missing out when we have the very next pick and a slew of talented human beings to choose from.

>There's a rant in here about just paying these guys we've
>identified as good coaches through the roof and having them
>roam to the areas of greatest need according to talent. If
>Tom Brunansky is magic as Joe Benson and Brian Dozier say, he
>should be in Beloit right now teaching Miguel Sano to take a
>pitch and Eddie Rosario to keep his power up. If Bobby Cuellar
>is the ace whisperer, the Twins should draft Appel and give
>Cuellar whatever he wants to be his roomie.

right? given the recent history of our system, pitchers, injuries or just not being able to hit the broad side of a barn, one would think the FO would take a harder look at the development of their arms ... especially since the brad radke clone army experiment seems to have failed ... because other teams can hit dingers in our park while we can't. pitching to contact seems kind of dumb at this point.

i'm probably overreacting which really doesn't suit the long gestation period in baseball for prospects, but whatever.

>What do you think about a dice roll on Giolito? He was getting
>buzz as a first overall pick before the elbow thing. If he
>comes back dinging 100mph and throwing a diabolical curve in a
>major league body even though he'll still be 17 when he's
>drafted, do we take a shot? Or is there no way in hell we're
>trusting team doctors with that?

i don't like it because we just lost our most recent big pitching product to tommy john. it would be hard to ignore him if appel goes #1, he comes back looking like he did before the injury and has a clean bill of health from SEVERAL doctors, including our own. i would still have reservations, but all you can do is vet the pick.

>This fact occasionally pushes me towards Zunino. He's the guy
>who seems the least likely to not become an MLB regular and
>his game is sexier than people think.

of the position players, he makes the most sense, what with mauer moving ... somewhere in the near future. if appel isn't there, i think he is my backup plan if i were terry ryan. we still have a handful of sandwich picks to pick up another BRCA body, right?

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19. "RE: saint walleye, converting the unwashed one poster at a time"
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>yup. i read scout evals only within the safe, warm confines of
>the OKP twins threads, so, it's pretty much gospel ... for
>better or worse. seeing appel trend down after being quite
>high on him last year was an indicator that he wasn't all he
>was cracked up to be rather than just the possibility of
>fickle scouts and a tough year at stanford.

I think he's also suffered from being the consensus #1 for too long. The conversation is always what's going to drive articles on BA, etc. and the conversation about why-not-Appel is probably more interesting than the conversation about why-anybody-else.

>regardless, he goes #1, and we have our pick of position
>players or possibly another good/great arm. i shouldn't be too
>worried about missing out when we have the very next pick and
>a slew of talented human beings to choose from.

Yeah, there's plenty for us to screw up, but #2 gives us the second-most chances to not screw up. At the moment, it's worth noting that the balance seems to have shifted in favor of Byron Buxton at #1. The Astros have literally every need and no window to compete. The raw upside pick is where people think they'll land.

>i'm probably overreacting which really doesn't suit the long
>gestation period in baseball for prospects, but whatever.

Maybe, but what you've identified is that the Twins have made a chicken/egg decision about control for pitchers. I agree with them that it's a valuable commodity; after all, if walks matter for hitters then they matter for pitchers too. But rather than looking for stuff they obviously can't teach, like velocity and swing-and-miss curves, and trying to teach control. They draft control and teach control.

>i don't like it because we just lost our most recent big
>pitching product to tommy john. it would be hard to ignore him
>if appel goes #1, he comes back looking like he did before the
>injury and has a clean bill of health from SEVERAL doctors,
>including our own. i would still have reservations, but all
>you can do is vet the pick.

Right. Though after last year ideally they'd do a ton of outsourcing for medical opinions. Or just sign him up for Tommy John right away and schedule him for E-Town's rotation next July.

>of the position players, he makes the most sense, what with
>mauer moving ... somewhere in the near future. if appel isn't
>there, i think he is my backup plan if i were terry ryan. we
>still have a handful of sandwich picks to pick up another BRCA
>body, right?

A ton. Due to the new hard slotting rules in the CBA, the Twins have more money they're permitted to spend in the draft than any other team. It's not just #2; this is the year to totally replenish the system. And there are a few guys that would fit right into the clone army too.

Though my favorite down-draft pick is Marcus Stroman from Duke. 5'9" righty with 95mph fastball and a super athletic delivery like Tim Lincecum. He could be a lot of fun early in the sandwich round.

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20. "On the downdraft clone army recruits"
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Weirdly, I'm not seeing that many. Though nobody finds them like the Twins, and it's possible that a lot of the large number of high school arms are candidates. I'm seeing a lot of pitchers like this:

"33. Duane Underwood, rhp, Pope HS, Marietta, Ga.
Underwood has a solid pitcher's frame, standing 6-foot-2 and 205 pounds, and the stuff to match. His fastball sits in the 92-94 mph range and he's touched 95. His curveball is solid average now in the 73-75 mph range and could be a plus pitch someday. He throws a straight changeup occasionally, but mostly works with his fastball-curveball combination."

That velocity and the vertical breaking stuff (instead of horizontal like our groundball-inducing sliders) is not the Twins profile, but I can certainly live with it. The last time the Twins went for a lot of HS arms didn't work particularly well, with Rainville, Swarzak, and Waldrop all taken early in the draft. But that's kind of the baseball draft, because nobody thought those were bad picks at the time. You just roll the dice.

I'm hoping that this will turn out for the benefit of getting the team out of their comfort zone. This is pretty safely a top-10 system in position players, with depth (five non-1B infielders in our top fifteen, and the outfielder logjam) and upside (Sano, Rosario, and still Hicks have star-level tools) that could put it in the top five. Nobody breaks down systems like that, but weirdly I don't think even the gurus that ranked the Twins outside the top-20 systems would disagree with that. Our pitching is the opposite, shallow and lacking in upside, but the oddity of our 2011 might be making the depth look worse than it is.

To wit: Gibson, Hendriks and Wimmers (who is back on the fast-track at New Britain) all look like they'll spend serious time in the 2013 rotation. It's not sexy (unless Gibson goes Halladay on everybody) but that's three good #3s and that's nothing to scoff at. In spite of this, they've been a negligible influence on the most Twins top-10 lists given Hendriks' recent rise, Gibson's injury, and Wimmers going all shitballs. Gibson was #1 or #2 last year, but he missed a lot of lists this year.

That's the kind of thing that results in a bad system ranking, but it doesn't necessarily follow that the rotation is screwed. Appel (or Gausman, who I still like quite a bit) adds some upside and the rest of our top-7 picks will add some depth. I hope. And maybe they wont all profile as the poor man's Brad Radke.

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30. "BA: Zunino is mid-way player of the year"
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He's the safe pick for the Twins at #2. He's still got time to prove that he's the best pick, but if we're afraid of simply botching the pick (which I am, from time to time) then Zunino seems like the best bet to:

-become a valuable MLB contributor
-contribute soon
-make a couple of All-Star games in his prime

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/on-campus/2012/2613224.html

Midseason MOP: Mike Zunino

By Conor Glassey
April 4, 2012

Florida catcher Mike Zunino has a lot going for him.

He's the best player on the best team in the country. He's a surefire first-rounder, in contention to be the first overall pick in the draft, and he has been an offensive force in the middle of the Gators' lineup for the past two years. Last year he hit .371/.442/.674 with 23 doubles and 19 home runs. This year, he's off to a .350/.413/.700 start through the team's first 29 games with eight doubles and nine home runs. He's steadily lowered his strikeout rate while increasing his walk rate.

He does his damage when it matters, too. Last year in the postseason, Zunino was 17-for-43 (.395) with four doubles and four home runs, helping the Gators reach the College World Series finals. On top of that, he's a sound receiver behind the plate who has started to gain more responsibilities for handling the best pitching staff in the nation.

"He's their heart and soul, no doubt," said one opposing coach whose team has played the Gators. "He's their leader. He's their guy, not only from a numbers standpoint, but leadership too. As good as their pitchers are, I believe he makes them better."

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17. "La Flechita!"
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Not a huge deal, but Felix Jorge has:

a)a cool nickname
b)the biggest fastball among starters in the system
c)a BA league top-20 to his credit

He'll debut stateside this year in the GCL, and this is the kind of luck the Twins could use. Draft a guy barely scraping 90 and see him actually ADD velocity. The cupboard is bare but for Jorge and Hudson Boyd when it comes to power starters, and even though they're both teenagers it's better than nothing.


Felix Jorge, rhp, Twins
Age: 18. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 190. Signed: Dominican Republic, 2011.
Jorge trained at the Jose Guerrero Baseball Academy and was one of the top names among pitchers for 2010, but as July 2 approached, his velocity dipped and some teams backed away. The Twins stayed on Jorge and his velocity returned to the 88-92 mph range by the time he signed last year in February for $250,000. He pitched well in the DSL as his fastball velocity increased to 90-94 mph. With his size and projection, Jorge could eventually be regularly touching the mid-90s, perhaps even higher. Jorge has a power arsenal with his fastball and his breaking ball, a hard curveball that he can use to put away hitters. His changeup lags behind because he hasn't had much need for it yet. Jorge has good arm action and throws downhill, with a frame that should make him a durable starter if he can continue to make strides with his delivery and his command. He should make his U.S. debut this year in the Gulf Coast League.

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21. "STrib: Marquis accepts MiLB option for catch-up with New Britain"
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This is pretty mencschy of him. As a veteran, he has no obligation to accept a minorleague option. But because he returned to camp once it was clear his daughter was going to fully recover, he was ineligible for the short-term bereavement list. That's probably for the best, since that list is for slightly more than a week - not enough for the starts he missed to get fully stretched out.

Anyhow, Marquis taking this option helps the team out a lot. They don't need to carry a starter who can't start, and they don't risk losing somebody who they think can help the team.

Still, I'm hoping that Hendriks takes his job. Nothing personal, it'd just be nice to see him take a step forward.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/146094665.html

Twins: Jason Marquis headed to New Britain, NOT Rochester
Posted by: La Velle E. Neal III under Roster moves Updated: April 4, 2012 - 12:42 PM 5 commentsprint

UPDATE: Jason Marquis will be optioned to Class AA New Britainr. Marquis, being a veteran player with at least five years of experience, had to agree to the move. Sorry about the confusion, but I got some bad info. Being at New Britain allows Marquis to get to New York to visit his daughter, who's still in the hospital.

If he makes two starts, he could build his pitch count to around 85.

The Twins are expected to announce roster moves sometime today that will officially set their 25-man roster for Opening Day. For instance, righthander Jared Burton and third baseman Sean Burroughs were non-roster invites to camp and have to be officially placed on the roster.
Burroughs could complicate things with his sore back, but he's expected to be O.K. We'll learn more about his condition later.

Fans here will get a chance to see some future Twins today, mainly outfielders Oswaldo Arcia and Angel Morales and shortstop Levi Michael. Arcia was in major league camp for awhile. Morales is still highly thought of but could use a big season. Michael was the Twins' first round pick last June.

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22. "Watchword for April: Don't panic"
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Three in Baltimore. Three against the newly Pujol'd Angels. Three against the AL Champ Rangers. Four in New York followed by three in Tampa Bay. Three against Boston. Three against the Royals.

The nice thing is that they'll be at home more than they have been since moving outdoors in April. But that is a bad, bad bunch of teams. There's still a division-heavy schedule, though, so playing them now means not playing them much later.

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23. "deja vu? "
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didn't we have a shitty, shitty, shit-shit opening to our season last year with the same mantra attached?

in other news, where's our body-more pick'ems? wonder if there will be a wheelchair-bound baltimore school kid skipping class to take in opening day?

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24. "Yes, though I think this one is harder competition-wise"
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>didn't we have a shitty, shitty, shit-shit opening to our
>season last year with the same mantra attached?

Sounds about right. Nietszche-oka went down in the second series of the season, against the Yankees. We can take last year then as a broader lesson about how to spot a shitty team. A shitty team will lose a lot in April with a hard schedule. A good team could lose a lot in April with a hard schedule. The shitty team will keep losing and the good one wont. So, rather than knowing them by their rotten April fruits, we'll have to know them by their roster. Which gets an "ehhhh...."

>in other news, where's our body-more pick'ems? wonder if there
>will be a wheelchair-bound baltimore school kid skipping class
>to take in opening day?

I'm right on top of that, Rose.

Oooo. Actually, that's not a complete non sequitur. Josh Charles' character wore an Orioles hat, early in the ornithologically correct bird period, for most of the movie. I assumed, as a youngster growing up in Maryland, that this is what helped him woo the delightful Christina Applegate. Because it certainly wasn't his job as an ice cream man or his weird knowledge of crustacean breeding habits.

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25. "4/6-9 vs. Orioles pick'ems: "hoist the black flag, and begin slitting th..."
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See what I did there? I went with Mencken as the Baltimore contact point instead of the Wire. Nothing wrong with the show, just wanted to briefly defy expectations. Plus, we're not under any kind of restrictions here, so let's double up.

Pick'ems and Probables 2012:1 - "I had such fuckin' hopes for us"

Pavano vs. Arrieta
Liriano vs. TBA
Hendriks vs. TBA
Blackburn vs. Wilson

Without pretending that this is at all predictive, I like that there's at least one team in baseball whose rotation is more of a mess than ours. Two "TBA" for the opening week? That's not a good look, Mr. Showalter. It makes it hard for even pretend analysis though. Liriano looked strong during spring training. His fastball was 91-93 and he was commanding it. When he got hit, it almost always seemed experimental, he he'd give up a single because him and Mauer decided to throw four changeups in a row to get some work in. I have no opinion on whether that will carry over to the season or how long it'll last if it does, but it's better than his most recent work looking shitty, right?

To the picks!

Twins wins vs. Orioles wins
JJ Hardy hits vs. Twins middle infield total bases
Liriano + Pavano strikeouts vs. Twins bullpen innings
Revere plate appearances vs. Twins stolen bases
Mauer defensive caught stealing vs. Mauer games catching
Twins singles vs. Orioles starter innings

BONUS PROSPECT PICK:
-Hendricks strikeout total?

Give me Twins, Hardy, Liriavano, Revere, catching, singles, 6

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26. "I didn't even know you watched The Wire, Walleye"
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I am constantly amazed by you.

>See what I did there? I went with Mencken as the Baltimore
>contact point instead of the Wire. Nothing wrong with the
>show, just wanted to briefly defy expectations. Plus, we're
>not under any kind of restrictions here, so let's double up.
>
>
>Pick'ems and Probables 2012:1 - "I had such fuckin' hopes for
>us"

!!!!

>Pavano vs. Arrieta
>Liriano vs. TBA
>Hendriks vs. TBA
>Blackburn vs. Wilson
>
>Without pretending that this is at all predictive, I like that
>there's at least one team in baseball whose rotation is more
>of a mess than ours. Two "TBA" for the opening week? That's
>not a good look, Mr. Showalter. It makes it hard for even
>pretend analysis though. Liriano looked strong during spring
>training. His fastball was 91-93 and he was commanding it.
>When he got hit, it almost always seemed experimental, he he'd
>give up a single because him and Mauer decided to throw four
>changeups in a row to get some work in. I have no opinion on
>whether that will carry over to the season or how long it'll
>last if it does, but it's better than his most recent work
>looking shitty, right?
>
>To the picks!
>
>Twins wins vs. Orioles wins
TWINS
>JJ Hardy hits vs. Twins middle infield total bases
Middle infield bases
>Liriano + Pavano strikeouts vs. Twins bullpen innings
Strikeouts
>Revere plate appearances vs. Twins stolen bases
Revere
>Mauer defensive caught stealing vs. Mauer games catching
Games catching
>Twins singles vs. Orioles starter innings
Singles
>BONUS PROSPECT PICK:
>-Hendricks strikeout total?
5

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28. "pretty sure it's mandatory upon registration"
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kind of like drug tests in corporate america.

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29. "We rewatch it bi-annually"
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More often than "Veronica Mars". Less often than "Buffy". My wife is into education policy, so she's all about season four but usually wants to stop it before anything really bad happens to the kids.

>>JJ Hardy hits vs. Twins middle infield total bases
>Middle infield bases

This was stacked in their favor, but the combined offensive might of Carroll and Casilla thank you for your faith.

>>Liriano + Pavano strikeouts vs. Twins bullpen innings
>Strikeouts

I'm thinking two wins would look something like 8 + 4. That's three innings of bullpen work a game. I don't have a strong opinion about that, so good for me on picking a tough one here.

>>Revere plate appearances vs. Twins stolen bases
>Revere

This one was clever in spirit but not in fact. If Revere gets 10 plate appearances and gets on base three times, they're going to run him at least twice. It almost doesn't matter what the situation, now that he's a bench player if he's in he's going. But they the rest of the team still has to steal eight bases to catch him. Though there is the possibility of Revere pinch-running and recording steals without plate appearances.

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27. "let's start with a sweep and see what happens, eh? "
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>Twins wins vs. Orioles wins
twins
>JJ Hardy hits vs. Twins middle infield total bases
twins
>Liriano + Pavano strikeouts vs. Twins bullpen innings
strikeouts
>Revere plate appearances vs. Twins stolen bases
twins
>Mauer defensive caught stealing vs. Mauer games catching
games
>Twins singles vs. Orioles starter innings
singles

>BONUS PROSPECT PICK:
>-Hendricks strikeout total?
5

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39. "um, the other way?"
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dur dur dur

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32. ""The Best Defense is a Good Offense"-themed opening lineup posted"
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Healthy, this team will hit. Possibly a lot and particularly against righties. Which is good, because they're going to need every run if they trot this group of defenders out in front of our present rotation.

1. Denard Span, CF
2. Jamey Carroll, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, DH
5. Josh Willingham, LF
6. Ryan Doumit, RF
7. Danny Valencia, 3B
8. Chris Parmelee, 1B
9. Alexi Casilla, 2B
Starting pitcher: RH Carl Pavano

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Driving to Iowa this afternoon, so I'll probably be in western Tennessee or southern Illinois when the game starts. We can listen on MLBAtBat on my wife's phone, but I'm not sure how much we will. I'm not great with baseball on the radio.

Then, it's the matter of how much of the Twins are available in my particular corner of Iowa. The state is a known black hole of baseball availability, as competing claims by Minnesota, Cubs, Cardinals, and Royals means that it varies from town to town which team is broadcast locally and that MLBtv works in exactly none of them. This could be a weird month without the Twins to keep me company with live baseball, though I don't intend to talk about them any less. I will, however, be relying on you folks for the occasional note on what looks good and what looks shitty.

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35. "4/6 Lineups"
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As I said, I think this offense will go if it stays healthy. It's deep in OBA and power against right-handers. But they're going to need to score a bunch, because the optimal lineup for run scoring is a long, long way from the optimal lineup for run prevention. I think, though, that if Revere pulls his weight offensively then we'll start to see that one more and more. It's worth pointing out that he spent a few years in the minors with a reverse platoon split, so I wouldn't be shocked if we see the optimal defensive lineup pretty regularly against lefties.

TWINS (0-0)
1. Denard Span, CF
2. Jamey Carroll, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, DH
5. Josh Willingham, LF
6. Ryan Doumit, RF
7. Danny Valencia, 3B
8. Chris Parmelee, 1B
9. Alexi Casilla, 2B
Starting pitcher: RH Carl Pavano

ORIOLES (0-0)
1. Nolan Reimold, LF
2. J.J. Hardy, SS
3. Nick Markakis, RF
4. Adam Jones, CF
5. Matt Wieters, C
6. Wilson Betemit, DH
7. Mark Reynolds, 3B
8. Chris Davis, 1B
9. Robert Andino, 2B
Starting pitcher: RH Jake Arrieta

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36. "Two AL teams with a first baseman hiting 8th"
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37. "Ha... good call"
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It'd be nice if both these teams could say they were around the bend and playing a first baseman who functioned as some kind of true extra infielder, making plays with his glove and his arm, but that's not the case. Parmelee and Davis are both good defenders, and both their teams hope they'll hit because those dudes are already plan B at best. That's it.

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33. "STrib: Baker pulled from rehab start"
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Well, I suppose that solves the problem of what happens when Baker and Marquis are both ready and Hendriks has pitched well.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/146376815.html

Baker leaves after only 11 pitches
Article by: JOE CHRISTENSEN , Star Tribune Updated: April 5, 2012 - 10:19 PM

BALTIMORE - The Twins were hoping Scott Baker would take another step toward returning from his elbow injury Thursday night. Instead, he took another step back.

Baker left his start for Class A Fort Myers Miracle after throwing just 11 pitches and recording one out.

"Baker just didn't feel right tonight," Twins GM Terry Ryan said in an e-mail. "He couldn't seem to get loose on the mound and instead of pushing the envelope, we decided we would go get him out of the game. We will evaluate him again ."

Before Baker took the mound, manager Ron Gardenhire said the righthander would need "at least" two rehab starts before rejoining the Twins.

"He's kind of been on cruise control to not hurt himself," Gardenhire said. "Well, now he's got to throw the ball. And let it fly, and that's what he's going to have to do down there, and we'll see what they say."

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40. "Swept by the Orioles"
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This isn't going to be a good month.

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41. "Miguel Sano can't cheer us up from Beloit"
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But he tried today. Two for three with two homers, two walks, and zero strikeouts. Eddie Rosario is now one behind in the baddest-ass game of oneupsmanship in MiLB.

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42. "So, I can't see moving pictures because of Iowa"
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The double that broke the game open. Would Revere have had a shot at it?

It sounds like Blackburn was throwing well until he wasn't. He had a good spring, so it'd be nice if he can help the rotation find in depth what it lacks in upside.

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43. "BPro's Goldstein with an in-person look at Sano"
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Wow. So, to review the concerns. Body? Fine - big but athletic and strong. Approach? Cleaner than expected. Defense? Raw but with the present tools to see it working.

And the reason we care, the power? Huge and easy.

"Miguel Sano was the main event. One of the highest profile signings in Latin American history, Sano is coming off a 66-game 2011 Appy League season split between third base and shortstop, in which he hit 20 home runs in 293 at-bats, but with 77 strikeouts and 26 errors. Having never seen Sano in person, I walked into the park with numerous expectations, and so many of them turned out to be wrong:

I expected him to be huge, but he's simply big. Much has been written about how Sano is big and getting bigger, and while he's put on a good 30 to 40 pounds since signing in 2009 for $3.15 million, there is nothing concerning about his size. This certainly does not look like a Joel Guzman situation where the player grew himself out of a big league career. The 230 pounds on Sano's six-foot-three (I think he might be taller as well) is well-proportioned and gives him more stature than bulk.

I expected him to be a free swinging maniac, and he's anything but. Sano had drawn 32 unintentional walks in 415 at-bats since arriving in the states. He had a reputation for chasing breaking balls outside of the strike zone, but on Monday, he had some of the most impressive plate appearances of the game, working walks in consecutive at-bats in the fourth and fifth innings, with the latter being a double-digit pitch battle that included fouling off several pitches to stay alive, and avoiding the temptation to swing at pitching clearly designed to do so.

I expected him to have some power, and he has tons. In his final two at-bats of the game, Sano hit his second and third home runs of the season, and his first since a grand slam on opening day. Both were to the opposite field, and he really didn't fully connect on either. Unlike Bonifacio, Sano already has the swing of a power hitter. He has an upright stance with a bit of bat waggle, and his bat goes through the zone violently with plenty of explosion from his mid-section and hips. There are far more advanced hitters who don't have the kind of loft and backspin Sano generates without incorporating an uppercut; it's rare to see a teenager in Low-A who almost easily projects to have the power of a No. 4 hitter in a major league lineup, but Sano does.

I expected him to be a laughably awful defensive player, but he was merely bad. It's not often you can get a good look at a third baseman in one game, but with Beloit putting a slew of lefties on the mound, Sano was the recipient of six chances: one line drive and five ground balls. He converted each chance into an out, but it wasn't exactly pretty. He caught the liner at his waist with his glove upside down, and he backed up on grounders to force a clean hop and then use his plus arm, as opposed to coming in on balls to allow for the easier fielding opportunity. It's not exactly lackadaisical, but he's letting the ball play him as opposed to vice versa. The one thing that doesn't work against him is his size. He's not fast, but he does move well and his actions are relatively clean, which is not surprising for a player originally signed as a shortstop. He's still a long shot to stay at the position, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility.

Sano is the early Midwest League leader in both home runs and RBI, and he has a good chance to remain at the top of those leaderboards throughout the season. There is not much for Twins fans to be excited about right now, but Sano could change that for fans who are willing to exercise patience. He's a sublime talent, but like Bonifacio, part of that excitement comes from the fact that he is 18 years old, leaving him more dream than reality. It sure is one hell of a good dream, though."

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44. "WIN"
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45. "A Twins win, even!"
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I mean, somebody always wins. Except for Pittsburgh.

Observation from somebody who has been sadly unable to watch a game due to MLB's blackout rules: Ryan Doumit isn't an everyday player unless he's a catcher, and we've got one of those. If he's the primary backup at catcher, RF, LF, and DH then he'll get 350-400 plate appearances. That'll do great, because he can hit. But I'd like another outfielder who can track down a flyball out there and Willingham is balling like crazy right now so Doumit gets to be Johnny Backup.

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46. "a female twins win?"
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just caught the highlights on espn and couldn't agree more. makes you wonder how many runs we are giving up by starting doumit over revere in LF.

perhaps i am listening to too much sports talk radio, but joe cowley of chicago baseball writing fame said ticket takers at target field should be wearing ski masks and brandishing weapons given the lack of financial outlays from the twins now that they have a pretty new park ... and to be honest, i kind of agree. every team, on the cusp of getting some new, fancy, money generating real estate, goes out and spends to thank the fans for their support. the twins didn't do a damn thing because it's "not the twins way". now we are left in this no man's land where we have two contracts the FO stands behind for players who may or may not ever be what they were paid to be. our pitching is a hot mess with little help on the horizon and we keep doing patchwork on our lineup with mid-level players to keep the payroll down.

blah, blah, blah. feel like this is an argument i have made before, but cowley's rant struck a nerve. it may just be the pohlad business model continuing on in its familiar tradition, but with the new park, i expected more.

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47. "I ... don't care for Joe Cowley"
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>just caught the highlights on espn and couldn't agree more.
>makes you wonder how many runs we are giving up by starting
>doumit over revere in LF.

What's annoying was the trickle down. Willingham wasn't "comfortable" in right so he got moved to left and then Revere was out of a position. I think uncomfortable Willingham in right and Revere in left is still degrees better than the present alignment. Shit, I'd take Revere in right even with his arm.

And Doumit is kind of an ideal bench player. Position flexibility with a solid bat. Making him a starter just exposes him.

>every team, on the cusp of getting some new, fancy,
>money generating real estate, goes out and spends to thank the
>fans for their support. the twins didn't do a damn thing
>because it's "not the twins way". now we are left in this no
>man's land where we have two contracts the FO stands behind
>for players who may or may not ever be what they were paid to
>be. our pitching is a hot mess with little help on the horizon
>and we keep doing patchwork on our lineup with mid-level
>players to keep the payroll down.

It's hard with the Reds kind of aping out right now. My only argument with this is two-fold:

1. I hate Joe Cowley so I'd disagree if he told me the sky were blue
2. Was the personnel there this winter?

Biggest pitching contract this past off-season was Edwin Jackson, so when it comes to pitching I'd give an unqualified yes. He's not an ace, but he's basically a right-handed Liriano with #2 stuff when he's on. Except that he's younger and more durable than you usually get in free agent pitchers. Not even pursuing him kind of sucked.

Offensively, there was Fielder. That'd have been fascinating, but the Twins weren't in play for the same reasons the Tigers weren't - he didn't fit. But then the Tigers went and found a fit, partly due to injury but Martinez isn't going to be out but for a year of that contract. So, that bothered me less from a personnel perspective than from a philosophy perspective - the Tigers saying "our window is now and there's no such thing as enough great players."

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49. "interesting"
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>1. I hate Joe Cowley so I'd disagree if he told me the sky
>were blue

is it his writing or beyond that? i felt the same way about barreiro when he was only some words in the sports page everyday. he just seemed so damned arrogant and pessimistic. then, i hear him on the radio and it's like he's a different person. still pessimistic, but the tone was different. i wonder if cowley is the same for you, but i doubt it given your experience in all things baseball.

>2. Was the personnel there this winter?

specific to this winter, yes and no, as you answered. my frustrations are more 'ongoing' than 2011/12 offseason. seems as though the twins feel they can get by continuing to trot out a marginally competitive product most years. the new park and all its bells/whistles is just a way to obfuscate the fans. who can argue with cheese stuffed meatballs and surly beer on tap?

i mean, our best player last year was told he was going to be paid less than his current contract when entering FA after being the heart and soul of the club. yes, cuddy was getting old(ish) and was looking for more guaranteed years, but ... eh. now, willingham is doing his best to make us forget, so that's nice, but the message was just kind of fucked.

i don't know. we're on a one game winning streak. i should be happy, right?

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50. "RE: interesting"
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>is it his writing or beyond that? i felt the same way about
>barreiro when he was only some words in the sports page
>everyday. he just seemed so damned arrogant and pessimistic.
>then, i hear him on the radio and it's like he's a different
>person. still pessimistic, but the tone was different. i
>wonder if cowley is the same for you, but i doubt it given
>your experience in all things baseball.

I'm only familiar with his writing, but within it there's often a fairly explicit belief that Minnesotans are ridiculous yokels. This is a common enough thing for people in Chicago to believe even though it's ironic because white people in Chicago fit the definition of "parochial" almost perfectly but for the fact that they live in a city of millions. But it's still aggravating that it's actually a useful trope for somebody who gets paid to write.

>specific to this winter, yes and no, as you answered. my
>frustrations are more 'ongoing' than 2011/12 offseason. seems
>as though the twins feel they can get by continuing to trot
>out a marginally competitive product most years. the new park
>and all its bells/whistles is just a way to obfuscate the
>fans. who can argue with cheese stuffed meatballs and surly
>beer on tap?

Well I certainly can't. The off-season pitching market will be something that I'm going to balance a lot of my further judgement on. the pitching situation in the minors is presently terrible, but terrible in such a way that it could improve quickly. That conditional "could" screams for depth. If the Twins pick Appel or Gausman or Zimmer and have total faith that Hendriks, Gibson, and Wimmers are going to fill out a rotation really well, then that's fine. But what better way to celebrate that optimism, and the possible departure of Pavano, Baker, and/or Liriano, than Zack Greinke in a Twins uniform. Or Cole Hamels. Or Tim Hudson. Or Edwin Jackson. Or Shaun Marcum. Or James Shields.

How about this, I'm totally on board with you if we don't:

a)Sign one of these people

b)Are listed in the serious rumor stage with no fewer than two of them and those two have to go on to sign contracts that are quite obviously irresponsible if they don't sign with the Twins

c)trade for a 1/2 alternative

>i mean, our best player last year was told he was going to be
>paid less than his current contract when entering FA after
>being the heart and soul of the club. yes, cuddy was getting
>old(ish) and was looking for more guaranteed years, but ...
>eh. now, willingham is doing his best to make us forget, so
>that's nice, but the message was just kind of fucked.
>
>i don't know. we're on a one game winning streak. i should be
>happy, right?

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48. "Aaron Hicks off to a rare good start"
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He is not a fast starter. Even a couple years ago when he finished April with a Bonds-ian .500 OBA, he actually started off the season with a terrible first week. The takeaway is that nobody gets hotter or colder than Aaron Hicks, but I'd like to see something bland in between to smooth out the misery when he's bad.

So far, he's at .261/.308/.565. Too many strikeouts and he hasn't yet started drawing walks by the cartful like he usually does. But he's hitting right-handers and showing his power potential so far, which we like. This is his first year in AA, so a good season would be a big deal for him and for Twins fans.

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51. "BA: Callis wrangles with some draft projections"
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So, no swipe here. But Callis sees Byron Buxton as the leader at #1 right now, but notes that the Astros are in such bad shape that they may not want to gamble on raw upside. I'm with the conventional wisdom that says "take best available" but I was still really hoping that Buxton wouldn't be the best available when the Twins pick. If he is, they should take him. Teams that noodle around with organization need usually end up regretting it later. If Buxton and Hicks and Benson and Arcia and Morales and Revere and maybe Rosario-if-he-can't-stay-at-second makes a crowd, then we can trade somebody for pitching that we need.

All that said, I want my cake and to eat it too, and Callis doesn't see that happening. He thinks that the Astros will go safe, maybe Zunino or Appel, and that the Twins will go with pitching because they need it so bad. If that's guaranteed, then we vote for Buxton or Zunino to Houston so that we have our picks of the pitchers.

Not much here, I was just annoyed to see that the Twins were speculated as going pitching without necessarily knowing who was available. But we work with what we have, and since 3,4,5,6,7 are likely three pitchers (Appel, Zimmer, and Gausman) and two shortstops (Marrero and Carlos Correa) then hopefully the Astros help us out and don't take Appel so we can make the most informed pick.

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52. "Twins win! ... withTWENTY hits?"
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That's one way to do it. I'm as pleased as anybody that Mauer and Morneau both went yard, for the totally conventional Morneau homer where he didn't even get a good swing on a mediocre fastball and just popped it out and that Mauer hit what looked like a really good pitch out to right - which is rare for him. But Willingham's was, while we've been pissing on the FO, exactly why we got him. Turning around a 96mph fastball and just yanking it out of the *only* small part of the park? Excellent.

And, you know, there were some pitchers present for this as well.

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53. "MinnPost: Baker's surgery likely to end Twins' career"
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I like Baker. I frequently felt like one of the last. If the beef was his general unavailability or homer-prone-ness, that's one thing. But it was weird how little credit he got amongst the segment of Twins fans begging for a power pitcher because Scott Baker could strike out a batter or eight in his time.

http://www.minnpost.com/sports/2012/04/scott-bakers-elbow-surgery-likely-end-his-twins-career

Scott Baker's elbow surgery likely to end his Twins career
By Aaron Gleeman | 09:53 am

As if their 1-4 start wasn't bad enough, the Twins announced Wednesday that Scott Baker will undergo season-ending surgery to repair the flexor pronator tendon in his right elbow.

Baker has battled elbow problems since 2010, needing two disabled list stints last season and beginning this year back on the shelf, yet last week the Twins gave him an MRI exam and Terry Ryan called the results "very similar to what it showed last July" and "good news."

Baker sought a second opinion from Dr. David Altchek, who performed Tommy John surgery on Joe Nathan in 2010 and Kyle Gibson last year, and he recommended that Baker go under the knife as well.

While the recovery timetable for Baker is six months, as opposed to 12 to 18 months for Tommy John surgery, he'll miss the entire season and may have pitched his final game for the Twins, given that they'll surely decline his $9.25 million option for 2013.

It's remarkable that Baker pitched as well as he did last season, posting a 3.14 ERA and 123-to-32 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 135 innings, but, unfortunately, pitching well between DL trips is the story of his career.

Only nine pitchers in Twins history have made more starts with a better adjusted ERA+ than Baker, and his strikeout-to-walk ratio is the second-best in team history behind only Johan Santana, but 2007 is his lone season with more than 175 innings.

Baker was typically one of the Twins' two best starters when healthy, and his 150 to 175 innings were often more valuable than 180 to 200 innings from a lesser pitcher, but between the DL stints and tendency to serve up some monster homers as an extreme fly-ball pitcher, he never seemed to gain much traction as a fan favorite.

None of that matters now, of course, but in remembering a Twins career that's ending too soon, it adds another unfortunate layer. Baker is 30 years old, so if the surgery can fix the elbow problem that has plagued him for three seasons, he'll have plenty of opportunity to re-establish himself as a solid mid-rotation starter in 2013 and beyond.

It's just hard to imagine it being in Minnesota, in part because there's no way to justify paying him $9.25 million and in part because both sides seem likely to be in favor of moving on nine years after he was a second-round pick out of Oklahoma State.

Even a somewhat healthy Baker would have been able to fetch a decent prospect or two at the trade deadline, but that's obviously a moot point now, and his surgery opens the door for Liam Hendriks to stick in the Twins' rotation, instead of merely being a short-term fill-in. Hendriks was supposed to start the third game of the season in place of Baker, but instead was hospitalized for food poisoning and is now slated to make his 2012 debut Sunday.

Hendriks ideally could use a half-season at Triple-A, where he made just nine mediocre starts before being promoted to the majors at age 22 last year. But with Gibson recovering from Tommy John surgery, Hendriks is the organization's top pitching prospect by default, and the Twins don't have a ton of other options.

They could turn to Anthony Swarzak once he's no longer needed to fill in for Jason Marquis, but taking a longer look at Hendriks seems to be the plan. Baker, Marquis, Carl Pavano and Francisco Liriano will all be free agents after the season, so right now the 2013 rotation is Hendriks, Nick Blackburn, and three vacancies. That's not encouraging, although not much is with the Twins these days, and hopefully Baker's injury speeding up Hendriks' timetable won't hurt his development. Because if Hendriks develops as hoped and stays healthy, his long-term upside is basically a more durable version of Baker.

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Was it that long ago he was our #1 starter? No, it was not very long, at all.

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56. "Pretty much, where Liriano is inconsistent, Baker is just unhealthy"
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too bad indeed.

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55. "too bad"
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i had always expected more from baker, but you talked me off the ledge a while back with a comparison between him and ... someone. matt cain? i doubt that, but i know you ran comparative career numbers and showed some good numbers for baker.

like all things, people only remember the bad stuff, so his durability and homeruns will always be the first thing that jumps to mind.

you never want to see a tenure ended this way.

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57. "Cain is the one I usually compare him to"
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Same size. Righty pitcher with power peripherals but not big fastball velocity. Both with good breaking stuff and excellent control that result in a similar proportion of walks, strikeouts, grounders, and flies per game. The two biggest differences are

a) environmental: that Cain pitches in one of the most friendly environments for right-handed pitchers (Barry Bonds only made it look like a nice place for left-handers to hit homeruns - it's actually quite difficult there) while Baker spent most of his career in the Metrodome before moving to Target Field, which seems to only affect Twins left-handed hitters.

b)Repertoire - Cain throws a better changeup way more often than Baker did, and it's a nice weapon against lefties for him that Baker really doesn't go to very often.

All told, this isn't enough to justify their difference in reputation. There was an article in fangraphs that called Baker the most underrated pitcher in baseball this winter and while I don't know enough about how other people are rated, I do think that the loudness of the things he does poorly seems to overwhelm how many things he does extremely well.

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58. "Hicks, Sano, Mackey on Morneau, etc."
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Hicks hit another homer yesterday. He's halfway to his 2011 total of six. More importantly, it was off of a right-handed pitcher. A breakout there would be warmly welcomed.

Sano was 0-1, but drew three walks. He's the kind of talent where we might eventually see that "He's starting to believe" moment and the level he's playing in just starts to look silly in comparison. Lots of people are speculating that the Twins will keep him in one place for his full-season debut, but after they moved Arcia up to Ft. Myers last year I'm not sure that Sano wont be permitted to hit his way out of Beloit if he can.

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Justin_Morneaus_first_home_run_since_May_31_lifts_Twins_over_Angels041212

Morneau's home run off right-hander Rich Thompson in the bottom of the eighth inning -- scoring Mauer -- put the Twins up 8-7, and it was his first blast in a regular season game since May 31.

"It felt good," Morneau said, sporting a massive grin.

"I had had some opportunities early in the game, and that's why this game's so great -- you get another opportunity, another chance, and I was lucky enough to take advantage."

To be exact, Morneau left seven runners on base, including a bases-loaded pop-up that induced a few boo birds earlier in the game.

He clearly made up for it.

"Right after he swung at that ball over his head (on the first pitch), I looked at Joe Vavra and said, 'He's trying to hit an eight-run homer here, and we only need two,'" manager Ron Gardenhire said. "And I think the next pitch he crushed it, and I said, 'We'll take that one.' So that was a nice feeling, to watch him put a really nice swing on the ball."

Mauer heard boos after a bases-loaded, third-inning pop-out, but he answered with a three-run home run to right field in the bottom of the fifth, cutting the Angels' lead to 6-3.

Thursday marked the first time Mauer and Morneau have hit home runs in the same game since July 6, 2010.

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59. "Blackburn/Gutierrez leave with shoulder soreness/Clete Thomas"
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Ugh. Blackburn's looked solid so far this year, though that's been pretty common early in seasons for him. Gutierrez seemed like he was finally ready for his big league shot this year. Now they're both having MRIs. Everything 2011 is 2012 again.

On the plus side, I'm fine with losses like the one yesterday. It's a long, long season and as much as it sucks to load the bases a bunch of times against a quality pitcher like Darvish and never get the big hit - it's much better than not being able to load the bases at all. That's where the Twins were in their series with Baltimore. I retain my beef with the outfield alignment, though sending Revere to Rochester in exchange for a true 4th outfielder (Clete Thomas) was the right move, and will continue to do so until Doumit actually starts hitting.

But as we found out least year, the only thing more painful to watch than sacrificing defense for offensive is sacrificing defense for offense and not getting offense. I'm pleased that this lineup is starting to wake up.

In what I'm guessing is going to be a common there's-happy-news, the farmhands have been playing well.

-Aaron Hicks is .333/.385/.727, hitting for power and doing it against righthanders for the first time in his career.
-Miguel Sano is .267/.436/.636. He's striking out a lot still, but look at that OBA. He's learning how to walk. Strikeouts seem to be the only way to get him out right now, and walks plus strikeout seem to be the only way to keep him from hitting for extra bases.
-Levi Michael isn't showing much power in the place where nobody shows power, but he's drawing a ton of walks .300/.432/.300.
-Brian Dozier has started off hot in Rochester at .441/.500/.647. Which one of you had him debuting in May? Because I'm not sure how much time Casilla has for his usual slow start if Dozier keeps doing this.

Eddie Rosario has been rough at second, which is to be expected. Joe Benson has struggled with hitting breaking stuff, but he's down there to figure it out so no rush. Also of interest, Angel Morales, who's missed a TON of the past two seasons with injuries, has started out like gangbusters in Ft. Myers and is even back playing some center. He's actually younger than Aaron Hicks and playing like he wants to join him at New Britain. It's not like we need any more toolsy outfielders, but prospects are prospects and he's back on his way to becoming one.

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60. "4/16-4/19 vs. Yankees: Probables, pick'ems"
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Well that sucked. I wasn't unhappy with how I heard (ugh) them play, but it was clear that the Rangers were just better in these ways I can't really picture the gap being made up.

Pavano vs. Garcia
Liriano vs. Sabathia
Marquis vs. Kuroda
TBA vs. Hughes

So, who is TBA supposed to be? Probably Swarzak if everything just repeated? We need starting bodies, because I kind of want to see Swarzak in the pen to find out if I'm right about him.

Anyhow, to the pick'ems?

Twins wins vs. Yankees wins
Plouffe plate appearances vs. Plouffe errors
Mauer walks vs. Mauer XBH
Morneau putouts at first vs. Morneau bases
Liriano strikeouts vs. Marquis earned runs
Casilla hits vs. STrib mentions of Brian Dozier
Capps appearances vs. Rivera saves

Give me: Twins, plate appearances, walks, bases, Liriano, Casilla, and Capps

PROSPECT BONUS!!!
Sano homeruns vs. Sano every other kind of hit (look it up)
Hicks walks vs. Hicks steals
Dozier singles vs. Dozier doubles

Give me homers, walks, singles

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61. "Who wants to party like it's early 2010?"
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I hope the finale of LOST isn't a disappointment.

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62. "That was fun, wasn't it?"
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I saw your note in the MLB thread. The whole thing was flux capacitor-inspired. Mauer and Morneau leading the offense with patience and doubles for the former and balls-over-walls for the latter. Throw in some quality defense, a seven inning start from one of the Brad Radke Clone Army, and two innings of clean bullpen work?

Weird, weird stuff.

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63. "I almost can't get too excited, because it was so strange"
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Pavano gives up back to back homers right away and then morphs into Radke over the next six innings? In Yankee Stadium?

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64. "My wife's theory is that they'll finally relax against NY..."
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... now that they suck. It's just another team to try and not suck against.

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66. "When we're back in the playoffs in 2016, I hope they keep"
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that mindset.

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67. "Miguel Sano wont care about Yankees"
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He eats *all* the souls.

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68. "Fam, your wife is a baseball fan??"
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I envy you

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The only reason she watches fewer games than me is her work schedule. She gets *mad* about intentional walks under almost any circumstance, offensive-oriented middle infielders, and rightfielders who don't throw guys out on the basepaths.

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65. "Fun fact: Joe Mauer isn't 30 yet"
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When he's healthy, he's on the shortlist for best player in baseball. Last year did a whole, whole lot to make us forget that. And even when we remember, the "when he's healthy" looms so large. But damn he's good.

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70. "going into this series for the Yanks I felt split at best"
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just a weird feeling that the twins lefties would rake and the twins would be due for a few wins...

I'm sure the Yanks would sign up for a split right now

  

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71. "I appreciate you badly you've overestimated the Twins"
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But they aren't particularly good.

I can only name one thing they'll do well enough to be noteworthy this year: squeeze the piss out of a backend righthander like Garcia.

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72. "lol... at least they made Girardi's decision easier"
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because I didn't trust him to choose Hughes over him long term as a starter, last night helped

  

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73. "twins quiz!"
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name the last twin to open a season with an 11 game hit streak?

also, liriano ... dude, just, like, do something ...

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74. "Doug Mientkiewicz?"
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Liriano is weirding me out because his fastball is still kind of humming. Velocity-wise, it's way more like 2010 than 2011. But neither control nor command is there, and he's doing the 2011 thing - getting behind and not getting to his slider.

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75. "Damn that's probably it"
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If not, I'll say . . . Matt Lawton?

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76. "king of the one run homerun: JACQUE JONES!"
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mientickeairoueahqcwez was a great, great guess. probably would have been mine had i not been the one with the answer.

as for liriano, my sources tell me it's more him trying to place the ball too much due to his lack of control/confidence. this ends up being mid-80s fastballs which aren't really a good thing in the majors.

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77. "No kidding?"
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We used to always say that Jacque Jones put one swing on every pitch - as though every offering was a belt-high fastball from a right-hander. Weirdly, he had a nice little career so it kind of worked. Most pitchers are right handers. They've got to throw fastballs eventually. Some of them wont find their proper location. Done and done.

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78. "i didn't follow the early-aughts twins much at all"
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i knew there was a group of professional baseball players plying their trade in minneapolis, but that was about it. needless to say, i was more than a little surprised to see jacque jones numbers on BR. that guy put togehter a nice little career in MN, but my initial tagline stands as a guy who hits for 20+ HRs should be getting more than 2-3x RBI totals ... in my completely unscientific opinion.

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79. "He led off a surprising amount considering his skillset"
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I think that explains most of it. 1439 Plate appearances as a leadoff guy, about 400 more than any one other spot in the order, which says a lot about how Gardy valued on base average as a skill for the top of the order. Anyhow, that meant a lot of time with the Rivas and Guzmans of the world "setting the table" for him.

He hit one completely memorable (predictably, solo) homerun. In 2005, in the process of the hated White Sox marching to a series title and Bartolo Colon blackmailing the BWAA with his win total, Freddy Garcia and Johan Santana took an epic pitching duel into the late innings. Jones broke up Garcia's perfect game (i believe it was perfect) with a solo homer in the 8th, Twins win 1-0. Pretty much the only bright spot of that year.

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80. "LEN3 for BA on Sano and Rosario"
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Sano hit another homerun yesterday, and he's been drawing walks. Strikeouts are still high, but he's getting near a corner where he fully realizes that pitchers don't want him to hit 500 ft homeruns against them and go pretty far to avoid that. When that happens, danger.

Twins Have Big Hopes For Beloit's Infielders

By La Velle Neal
April 18, 2012
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FORT MYERS, FLA—Miguel Sano and Eddie Rosario are playing in their first full-season league, and many challenges await them as they work their way through the Twins farm system. But the hype about these two promising hitters is already in full swing.

"I've got fans calling us wanting pocket schedules so they go watch them play," Twins farm director Jim Rantz said, "so I've got one here for you if you want to swing on by."

Not Twins schedules. Schedules for low Class A Beloit, where the two currently are playing. With the outlook for the major league club not favorable after 99 losses last season and a 0-4 start this season, fans might be in search of hope for the future. That search could lead them about 315 miles east of the Twin Cities, where Beloit, Wis., is located.

Both prospects are off to encouraging starts. Rosario, a second baseman from Guayama, Puerto Rico, was 6-for-17 through five games. Sano, a third baseman from San Pedro de Macoris, Domincan Republic, clobbered a grand slam for his first hit and had since added a two-homer game and a triple.

Sano, 18, is considered the Twins' best prospect and 18th overall by Baseball America, a little stunning for someone his age. But Rosario, 20, is right there with him, ranked as the third best Twins. Sano and Rosario, who are represented by the same agent, bonded while playing at Rookie-level Elizabethton last season.

In 66 games at E-Town last season, Sano batted 292/.352/.637 with 20 homers and 59 RBIs. "The power is unbelievable," Rantz said.

Big Power, Big Man

The Twins signed Sano as a shortstop out of the Dominican Republic for $3.15 million in 2009 after a lengthy process to verify his age. The Twins listed him this spring at 6-foot-3 and 244 pounds—up 12 pounds from last year. They knew he was going to grow out of shortstop, but there are concerns that he could outgrow third base and end up in the outfield or at first base.

The Twins don't want that to happen. He's shown good speed and agility as a pro and has a strong arm. He committed 26 errors last year, a huge total for a short-season league. The Twins say that many errors came from him trying to make plays he had no chance to make, which is something they expect him to cut down on with experience.

"He's got a skill set that fits beautifully at third base," Twins general manager Terry Ryan said. "If you talk about what a prototypical third baseman is, he has the hands, he certainly has the arm. He's athletic enough. He's got the bat. He's got the power. I suspect we'll have to make sure he does not outgrow the position. I don't have any interest in seeing Sano at first or the outfield. He looks like a third baseman and should stay there."

Buying In

Sano, however, wasn't the best player on his team last year. Rosario batted .337/.397/.670 with 21 homers and 60 RBIs and shared the Appalachian League player of the year award. Rosario, 20, was considered the best hitting prospect in Puerto Rico when they selected him in the fourth round in 2010. The Twins have been pleasantly surprised by his power development. He led the Appy league in runs (71), triples (nine), homers, total bases (181) and slugging percentage.

He's a good outfielder but was moved to second base during the Twins' instructional league last offseason. They have promising outfielders in Joe Benson, Aaron Hicks and Oswaldo Arcia, so they felt the switch was worth a try.

"The big thing is that the player is on board with it," Rantz said. "He wants to do it. He likes playing in the infield."

During spring training, Hall of Famer Paul Molitor and former Twins manager Tom Kelly helped Rosario with the transition.

"So far I'm feeling great," Rosario said through an interpreter. "The transition is going smooth and I would like to learn how to play several positions. That way my value will increase."

Like Sano, Rosario will have to watch his walk-to-strikeout totals (27 walks and 60 strikeouts in 67 games last year) while facing better pitchers.

"I'll be interested in seeing what Eddie Rosario does at Beloit, moving him to second base," Ryan said. "There aren't many guys who go through the Appalachian League and hit 21 home runs, with how many triples he had."

What the organization is most interested in is if the two can, one day, become cornerstones of the Twins' infield.

"Hopefully they will move up together and all the way to the big leagues," Rantz said.

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81. "Two. Two. Two games from the Yankees ah ah ah ah © The Count"
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Way to not give up two homers Matt Capps.

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82. "well that was unexpected. i thought we were doomed"
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after marquis gave up those runs in the first, but he seemed to settle down nicely. and the twins were getting on base rather well, but it took them some time to actually get some runs across the plate. nice to see the jankees not completely take the wind out of the twins sails.

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83. "I'm no longer confident that we suck"
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I mean, these pitchers aren't getting anybody out. But this lineup can hang some runs on an opposing team and the pitching could improve, hypothetically. I mean, I don't think this team is good enough to actually give up anything noteworthy that would help their chances for 2012, pitching-wise. But this is a good lineup that, with a lucky run from the staff, could ... not suck.

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84. "We let Granderson play tee ball and still almost won"
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WTF happened to these bats? And can it continue when we get back to Target Field?

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86. "I like to think it can"
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This was a good offense with a similar bunch of people in 2010. Willingham's been one of the best hitters in the AL so far and he doesn't care what park he's in.

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85. "Dude... Beloit"
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Miguel Sano has six homeruns and the season is less than three weeks old. Eddie Rosario has picked it up after a slowish start and is, well, nobody keeps pace with Miguel Mejor, but combined with the switch to second base and Rosario's stock as a prospect may actually improve even more than Sano's if this keeps up.

Rosario was .273/.385/.432 so far, before a nice 2-5 night at the plate. The cool thing is that he's showing a broader improvement in his peripherals than Sano. The power hasn't carried over from E-town (where, we must remember, he actually outhomered Sano in 2011) but he's showing good pop, particularly for a first-timer in the MWL from a warm weather area. This isn't as important as the AA transition for a prospect, but the jump from part-season to full-season in the Twins' system is rough because there are so many guys who've never played in cold temperatures that start in a rough pitchers' park in the middle of Wisconsin.

Sano hasn't fixed everything. He still strikes out too much that we need to reign in enthusiasm. But given the other stuff he's doing, that is... difficult. His 2-4 night with yet another walk (and another strikeout) and another homer can be added on to a .238/.396/.643 line. The power is kind of unreal.

If you're passing through southern wisconsin, consider stopping there and taking a look.

Aaron Hicks has put up the occasional 1-4 night and 1-3 night since cooling off. It sucks that he cooled off, but the nice thing is that for most of Aaron Hicks' career, this hasn't been a thing. He'll go a month hitting for power, hitting for average, and drawing an absurd amount of walks. And then undo it by barely making contact for the next month after it. After a point, it's almost like the ability to dunk a couple singles over the shortstops head is a really big deal. He's basically at that point now.

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87. "Hits keep coming: Twins at TB 4/20-4/22, probables, pick'ems"
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Like, they keep coming no matter which half of an inning it is. If it's a Twins game - folks are getting hits.

Probables:

Hendriks vs. Moore
Pavano vs. Shields
Liriano vs. Niemann

Eh. The Rays are just plain good but the Twins have typically played them pretty tough. We miss Price, but we get the next power lefty for Tampa Bay, Moore. Oh well.

Pick'ems?

Twins wins vs. Rays wins
Moore innings vs. Liriano Ks
Niemann groundballs vs. Pavano groundballs
Hendriks walks vs. Mauer doubles
Morneau homers vs. Willingham homers
Valencia strikeouts vs. Twins stolen bases
Span on-base vs. Casilla bases

PROSPECT BONUS!!!!!!
Hicks walks vs. Sano homers
Dozier hits vs. Adrian Salcedo strikeouts
Rosario errors vs. Arcia XBH

Give me: Twins, Moore, Niemann, Mauer, Willingham, Twins, Span, Hicks, Dozier, Arcia

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88. "missed the last one "
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>Pick'ems?
>Twins wins vs. Rays wins
rays
>Moore innings vs. Liriano Ks
moore
>Niemann groundballs vs. Pavano groundballs
pavano
>Hendriks walks vs. Mauer doubles
mauer
>Morneau homers vs. Willingham homers
morneau
>Valencia strikeouts vs. Twins stolen bases
valencia
>Span on-base vs. Casilla bases
span

>PROSPECT BONUS!!!!!!
>Hicks walks vs. Sano homers
sano
>Dozier hits vs. Adrian Salcedo strikeouts
salcedo
>Rosario errors vs. Arcia XBH
arcia

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89. "So, Willingham nickname?"
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My wife suggested "Arsenio". This is somewhat obscure, but there was an episode of 30Rock where Jack Donaghy mentions Arsenio Hall to Tracy and Tracy replies, "Arsenio Billingham?" to which Jack offers in confusion, "You know somebody named Arsenio Billingham?"

And Willingham rhymes with Billingham. It's one big Joycean web in our household. So that's my nominee. Arsenio Willingham.

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91. "not sure how i feel about it. "
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it lacks the thunder and righteousness of previous installments -- hammer of the ghiblenes comes to mind.

the only thing coming to my mind is Tyrone, after the coach dumped by ND. i just think the twins need a Tyrone on the team.

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93. "It's impossible to pronounce, but Josh WillingH.A.M?"
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On that note, the Great Hambino? It's been long enough since The sandlot was in theatres.

He's from Florence, AL. Could some sort of Renaissance reference work? Is that too deep a cut?

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95. "I applied to a history job in Florence, AL"
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Appropriately enough, a renaissance/early modern history job. Didn't get it.

It's right across a river from Muscle Shoals, AL. That would have been kind of cool to live in Muscle Shoals and commute. And probably the only cool thing, because Alabama is wretched.

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92. "i actually got the reference, and i like it"
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plus then we can call ourselves the dog pound if we want.

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94. "Nevermind, the idea of bringing back the dog pound seals it"
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96. "Oh, shit"
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>plus then we can call ourselves the dog pound if we want.

Done. Like, yesterday. That's my level of enthusiasm for this idea.

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90. "Here it comes, road series win"
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>Twins wins
>Moore innings
>Pavano groundballs
>Hendriks walks
>Willingham homers
>Twins stolen bases
>Span on-base
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>PROSPECT BONUS!!!!!!
>Sano homers
>Dozier hits
>Arcia XBH

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97. "Who saw that 3 run RBI?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyB1xB8NnnQ

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98. "Everyone let Mauer drop far in my fantasy leage and Im like"
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people are giving up on him already? for real? *scoop*

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99. "Sano finally doubles"
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It was sort of weird that he hadn't done it yet, but sort of like his walks shortcoming early in the season, he decided to make up for the neglect in bunches. Four for five with three doubles yesterday. He has sixteen hits on the year and ten of them are for extra bases.

He's at .314/.458/.765 right now.

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100. "Fangraphs: Jared Burton's Splangeup"
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I think the ambiguous answers to the BIGFATQUESTIONS on this team have kept us from our usually degree of poking around with the small questions. I mean, if the Twins suck then that will answer some big questions in a way we will stop caring about the small questions - but they've shown some moments of game-ness in this early going wherein if pitchers can be found that can, like, get somebody out then we might have something worth paying attention to here.

So here's an article on fangraphs about newcomer Jared Burton and his hybrid pitch, the Splangeup. I wont swipe the whole thing, but these two paragraphs tease video of this nasty, nasty pitch.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jared-burtons-splangeup/

Burton appears to have avoided that fate, at least for the time being. He had a strong Spring Training and made Minnesota’s bullpen with an assist to Scott Baker‘s elbow injury. Through five innings across six appearances, he’s struck out six batters and walked zero. He did surrender two solo homers in his first game, so it’s going to take some time for him to work off that 5.40 ERA and 6.32 FIP. Burton has allowed just one baserunner (a single) since that first game.

During his most recent appearance against the Yankees on Wednesday night, he struck out Nick Swisher with the tying runs on base to end the seventh inning. Here’s the pitch he used to set up the strikeout…

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101. "Boston in Target, 4/23-25, probables, pick'ems"
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I'd be happier if the schedule was a bit easier. Still, that was 3-4 on a tough road trip. The two sweeps are really eating at me, because a series win against Baltimore and picking up one game against Texas makes this a .500 team. It's a dumb "if" except that it wouldn't have taken an exceptional performance.

I don't think this team is particularly good, but their offense has been picking up some wins without even truly humming. As LEN3 posted today, the Twins are among the league leaders in the kind of component offensive stuff - they're hitting for average and getting on base. But the runs aren't there yet at 12th in the league. There's enough speed/power in this lineup that we can hope that will iron out.

Marquis vs. Lester
Blackburn vs. Beckett
Hendriks vs. Buchholz

Jesus that is a same-y bunch, isn't it? The clone army in a nutshell. I expect David Ortiz to figure prominently in the pick'ems.

Ortiz total bases vs. Top highest Twins starter innings
Plouffe games vs. Capps saves
Morneau homers vs. Arsenio HBPs*
Valencia errors vs. Mauer XBH
Youkilis singles vs. Blackburn strikeouts
Hendriks strikeouts vs. Lester earned runs
Burton swinging strikeouts vs. Span steals

Give me: Ortiz, Plouffe, Morneau, Mauer, Youkilis, Hendriks, Burton

PROSPECT BONUS... CONGRUENCE EDITION!!!!!

Arcia multi-hit games vs. Rosario multi-hit games
Rosario errors vs. Sano errors
Hicks strikeouts vs. Deolis Guerra strikeouts

Give me: Arcia-who is heating up, Rosario, and Guerra


*Keep pitching him inside. He's not swinging and he's not moving out of the way.

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102. "Ugh"
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I wish they'd stop playing like there might be a decent team in there if they're just going to lose 99 games again. I can watch a bad team with the same level of interest as a good team, but it's a change in perspective.

Capps is terrible. Somebody would have signed him on a big league deal, and we could have pocketed a pick. He seems like a nice guy and the Twins have gotten a lot of value out of treating bullpen roles as essential for success. But he's just not good.

Kyle Gibson's injury is really biting now. He'd be settling into a rotation at this point, with the obvious occasional hiccup but unlike Marquis and Blackburn there'd be a hiccup with upside. Right now, we have Hendriks trying to carry his act through six or seven innings instead of five - which I'm fine waiting for on a bad team - Pavano's steady adequacy, and hoping Liriano can figure it out, which is a huge frustrating but also isn't without its possible rewards.

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103. "That felt like one of those symbols-for-season losses"
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Get in a hole in the first, but really squeeze Beckett for baserunners right back in the bottom of the first to give the appearance of being in the game, and then slowly settling into an increasingly awful beating.

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104. "Nelson: Is Mauer Making a Statement?"
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Ten of eighteen games at catcher. With Doumit on the club, and starting to show signs of life with the bat (though I read a kind of off-putting article on BPro dating from Doumit's time with the Pirates which, complete with video evidence, made the claim that he was the worst catcher in MLB at framing strikes for his pitchers) then I think that's a pretty solid distribution for Mauer.

His power really hasn't clicked on yet, but as this piece points out he's usually prone to slow starts, with the exception of 2009. And accounting for the way Target Field has played since it started, rough on hitters, we're looking at a guy who plays most of his games at catcher with a 129 OPS+.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/148824895.html

TwinsCentric: Is Mauer making a statement?
Posted by: Nick Nelson Updated: April 25, 2012 - 12:22 AM

The Twins have played 18 games this year, and Joe Mauer has been in the starting lineup for every single one. That's right – you might not have noticed, but the embattled catcher has not taken a day off this season after missing half of the 2011 campaign due to various ailments.

This is the longest Mauer has even gone into a season without stopping to rest, and it's not like the early schedule has been particularly forgiving, with only one day off and plenty of travel. Granted, Mauer has been catching much less frequently than normal -- he's been behind the plate for only 10 games -- but nevertheless, this iron man stands in stark contrast to the guy who last year drew the ire of media, fans and reportedly even some teammates for his inability or unwillingness to stay on the field.

It seems that No. 7 is making a statement.

Fortunately, his bat is starting to back up that message. Mauer stumbled out to a slow start, batting .242 with a .675 OPS and nearly as many GIDP (4) as RBI (5) through Minnesota's first nine games. Since the start of the Yankees series, however, Mauer is hitting .382/.475/.471 with three doubles and five walks. He's stopped putting everything on the ground and he's even stolen a couple bases – an indication that his legs are feeling pretty good. He's struck out just three times in his past 46 plate appearances.

Mauer's overall production hasn't been extraordinary, but it's extremely encouraging to see him pushing his batting average up over .300 and consistently taking quality at-bats. April is historically one of his quieter months, so if he can continue to heat up as the weather does the same, he could find himself once again grouped with the league's top hitters.

The Twins have already had plenty of things go wrong this year, but getting Mauer back on track was always the top priority. It appears that he's well on his way, and Ron Gardenhire deserves credit for moving him around and keeping him fresh enough to take the field each day.

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105. "new idea for 2012:"
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play the rest of the season without pitching. we cede 5 runs at the beginning of each game and then get a chance to hit ourselves out of that hole.

i mean, it would at least give us a shot, right?

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106. "It's perfect"
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Five runs a game for the opposition is an 810 run season, so every other team takes that bargain if they're smart. But the Twins offense can win enough games if they're only down five to start the game to actually make this season interesting.

Oh, fun fact: Alex Wimmers, having survived Steve Blass disease and returned to the fast track in AA is now having elbow soreness and is on New Britain's DL.

The only hope I can see in this organization for getting MLB hitters out with a frequency which rises to the level of "kinda shitty" is bumping up some of the bullpen arms in New Britain and Rochester. New Britain's pen is, in particular, nasty. That this is the best pitching news in the entire franchise is depressing in a huge way.

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107. "Okay, this deserves another gold star"
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Last night was exactly the right sequence of events after this post.

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108. "Bust potential: Buxton vs. Zimmer"
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It's the baseball draft, so there's bust potential everywhere. Even coming down to something as weird as that guy from the A's becoming a priest. But these two scare me. Buxton has the tools you want in a true 1.1 pick with a bunch 60+ across the board. He's also apparently more polished due to longer experience with baseball than last's years crazy athletic pick, Bubba Starling. But he plays in Appling County Georgia, which terrifies me with a pick as high as the Twins have. The chances for scouts to just miss something there seems pretty huge.

Zimmer looks like some kind of diabolical hybrid between the Twins dirty, dirty love of strikethrowers and a true power pitcher. He hammers the zone with 95+ mph fastballs and wipes folks out with a hard breaking pitch. But he's relatively new to pitching and even newer to starting, which has lately indicated injury rather freshness.

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109. "4/30-5/2 to Anaheim, probables, pick'ems"
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So, I've been in Iowa for the last three weeks and I've done nothing but write lecture notes, grade papers, and teach. I had grand plans for a glorious return to the upper midwest and I squandered them miserably. I'm out of here in three days, and therefore an okayTwins Target Field meetup seems beyond unlikely. We'll be through Minnesota again in the summer, and we're sure as hell not spending the entire time up in wherever the crap my wife's parents live now. So maybe something then. I do want to get back to Target.

Wilson vs. Blackburn
Williams vs. Liriano
Weaver vs. Hendriks

Could be worse?

Twins wins vs. Blackburn strikeouts
Hendriks walks vs. Liriano earned runs
Mauer hits vs. Willingham extra base hits
Span steals vs. Span caught stealing
Pujols homers vs. Mauer homers

PROSPECT BONUS!!!

Rosario times reached base vs. Arcia total bases

Give me: Twins, Hendriks, Mauer, caught, Mauer, Rosario

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112. "Morneau returns to Twin Cities to have wrist checked out"
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At least it's not his brain?

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110. "Span: .337 /.387 /.430"
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Trade bait?

I love Denard Span to death, but he's got a bunch of centerfielders behind him and the organization needs pitching like... bad.

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113. "gold star for this idea"
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what do you think we could get in return that didn't have the prefix "MLB ready" in front of it?

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114. "That depends on which direction you want to deviate from it"
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Are you saying this team is bad enough that you'd sacrifice MLB-proximity for talent? Or do you want somebody who can help now like Span helps now, just somewhere else?

Off the top of my head, contenders that would maybe like Span in 2012:

-Texas
-Washington
-Philly
-St. Louis if Jon Jay ever comes back to earth
-San Francisco

Texas is the richest in pitching prospects, and maybe could be entreated to go creative and give up somebody like Ogando, whose usage in the bullpen is kind of a luxury for them at this point. Span lets them put Hamilton in a corner where they'd be more comfortable and makes their bench deeper by moving David Murphy to a bench spot.

Washington has been looking for their centerfielder forever. They traded a ton of their pitching prospects for Gio Gonzalez and aren't going to cough up any of that present staff. But they had a draft bonanza last year. It's kind of goofy, but if Anthony Rendon gets healthy he'll still be blocked by Ryan Zimmerman until the end of time. He's not eligible to be traded until August 15th, but they could swing the PTBNL thing like Cleveland did last year with Drew Pomeranz and then send Rendon as soon as he's eligible. He's in high-A now, but if he can stay on the field he's a huge offensive and defensive upgrade over Valencia who can start everyday by 2014.

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111. "BA game report: Gausman vs. Wood"
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Gausman is going to be seriously in play for the Twins at #2.

Game Report: Alex Wood Vs. Kevin Gausman

Posted Apr. 28, 2012 2:16 am by Aaron Fitt
Filed under: College, Draft Dope, First Person

BATON ROUGE, La.—A pair of Southeastern Conference aces with first-round aspirations squared off at Alex Box Stadium on Friday night. The showdown between Georgia lefthander Alex Wood and Louisiana State righty Kevin Gausman didn't exactly live up to its billing, as the two teams combined for 23 hits in LSU's 6-5 win, but the stats are deceiving. Gausman and Wood both showed impressive stuff and composure despite their pedestrian lines.

Gausman, a flame-throwing draft-eligible sophomore with a chance to be drafted first overall this June, allowed five runs (three earned) on 10 hits and no walks over six innings, but his nine strikeouts were a better indication of the quality of his stuff. After a 1-2-3 first inning, Gausman gave up three hits in the second and five more in the third, but none of those eight were hit particularly hard—they were a collection of seeing-eye choppers and bloops that fell in. And he showed plenty of poise by striking out Justin Bryan and Jonathan Hester with the bases loaded to minimize the damage in the two-run third.

"In the third inning, I've never seen such bad luck for a pitcher as Gausman was having, it was unbelievable," LSU coach Paul Mainieri said. "They weren't even getting balls out of the infield, and we were fortunate they only got two runs—Gausman had to really show what he was made of again."

The defense behind Gausman didn't help, as three of Georgia's hits in the third could have been outs if the left side of the infield had made better plays. The defense let Gausman down again in UGa.'s two-run fifth, as two Tyler Hanover throwing errors led to two unearned runs.

But there was nothing wrong with Gausman's stuff. He sat in the 94-96 range for most of the game, topping out at 97 repeatedly and still pitching at 94 in the sixth. He did some advanced things for a college righthander, such as getting swing-and-misses against righthanded hitters with his excellent 85-86 mph changeup and running his 90-91 mph two-seamer in on the hands of righties. He featured his short, hard 84-87 mph slider more than his 78-79 downer curve, which he mixed in sparingly, but both pitches showed promise. Of his nine strikeouts, four came on four-seam fastballs (three looking), one came on a two-seamer, two came on changeups, one came on a slider and one came on a curveball. Very few college pitchers have such a deep repertoire of effective offerings.

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115. "I hate how much I keep coming back to "need""
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It's the MLB draft. Best Available every pick, every year. Need is only a tiebreaker.

But holy crap do we have a need. Even if none of them profile as true #1s (and BA said as much the other day, calling the top three NCAA arms good #2s) then there's still a chance that any of those guys could already be the best pitcher in the current Twins rotation - which is epically miserable.

The 1/2 thing is kind of a mystery after reading the writeup on Gausman. It sounds like they see an outstanding fastball/curve, an average slider, and a changeup that is growing in polish. Getting swings and misses on a righty-to-right change is a big deal. That sounds like he has a shot at three plus pitches, with two present ones and a fastball that a scout could stick a 70 on if he saw that day in March when Gausman hit 102mph.

Appel sounds like he's more safe, with a similar fastball and a stronger breaking pitch, but the changeup is still lagging behind.

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116. "Twins win... but Sano starts riots"
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This article is hilarious:

-Deeply thorough discussion with Sano on pitch recognition through a translator

-Sano congratulating the umpires on keeping control of the bench-clearing he started

-Appearance of Tommy Watkins, onetime honorary Mayor of Ft. Myers and now hitting coach prodigy

Elsewise, the Twins are in kind of a nice situation because as good as Sano has been, he hasn't provided reasons to move him too aggressively yet. There seems to be only two things he isn't yet so good at it should embarass his MWL peers, and those two things are important enough to keep him where he is. The first of those things is contact. He's drawing walks and reaching base, but out of the 77 outs he's made, 33 have been by strikeout. The difference between being better than anybody in the MWL and being too good for the MWL is cutting down that number. And he has seven errors at third. Settle down in those categories, and he'll see Ft. Myers before long.

The first is showing some shapes now. That line about recognizing a curveball out of the guys' hand is nice, and his recent hot streak is actually driven more by contact (four consecutive mult-hit games) than by an absurd display of power, as he's only struck out twice in the last five games. The defense is going to stay a work in progress, but as long as he keeps up his work ethic then I don't think they'll hold him back for his glove until there's a 3B actually blocking him - which there isn't in Ft. Myers.

http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120505&content_id=30420580&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb

Sano homers twice in doubleheader

Twins top prospect connects on go-ahead blast in nightcap
By David Heck / Special to MLB.com05/05/2012 12:42 AM ET

Although he's been one of the Midwest League's best hitters, Miguel Sano hasn't stopped working with his hitting coach to get better. Over the past few games, that effort has been apparent.
The Twins' top prospect homered in both games of a doubleheader on Friday, launching a two-run shot in the ninth inning of the nightcap that gave the Class A Beloit Snappers a 5-3 win over the Cedar Rapids Kernels.

Overall, Sano went 4-for-8 with 11 total bases and five RBIs in the twinbill. The 18-year-old third baseman has recorded four straight multi-hit performances, going 9-for-16 with two homers and nine RBIs. The hot streak has raised his average 48 points to .310.

"I've been working a lot with Tommy Watkins, our hitting coach," Sano said through a translator. "I'm working on staying through the ball and hitting the ball outside, trying to go to right-center. Not doing too much with it, just hitting it to right-center. I've been working hard with Tommy to make sure I'm disciplined at the plate."

Completing a game that was suspended on Thursday, Sano collected two hits -- a leadoff single in the fourth and a two-run homer in the eighth. The roundtripper brought the Snappers within three runs, but the Kernels prevailed, 9-6.

"I saw a fastball outside for a ball and was just looking middle-in," Sano said. "I got a fastball up and in a little bit and got my hands in on it."

In the second game, Sano stroked a double and a homer and drew a walk. His league-leading eighth longball came with one out in the top of the ninth and broke a 3-3 tie.

"I saw a curve come out of his hands early," Sano said, referring to reliever Carmine Giardina. "It was up and outside. I saw it break middle-away, I stayed back on it and hit it pretty far."

Both benches cleared after the homer -- reportedly in response to Sano's celebration -- but no punches were thrown.

"My emotions were a bit high in reaction to the home run," Sano said. "It was an intense moment in the game and I got a little emotional. Everyone got back in the dugout without any punches or shoving. The coaches and umpires did a good job keeping things under control."

Sano also leads the league with 28 RBIs and a 1.099 OPS. Despite his success, he's not thinking about moving up to the next level.

"I try to stay calm, keep focused on my work in Beloit and let the results take care of themselves," he said. "I don't think about moving up, I don't think about moving down. I just focus on getting better each day and let things take care of themselves that way."

David Heck is a contributor to MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of the National Association of Professional Baseball Leagues or its clubs.

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117. "More on Miguel Mejor mad-making"
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Some of you may remember Cedar Rapids Kernels' manager Jamie Burke from this: http://www.aarongleeman.com/hunterburke.jpg

http://thegazette.com/2012/05/04/kernels-dont-take-kindly-to-opponents-home-run-pimp/

Jeff Johnson/SourceMedia Group News Updated: 4 May 2012 | 11:05 pm in Cedar Rapids Kernels, Kernels, Sports
Kernels don’t take kindly to opponent’s home-run “pimp”

CEDAR RAPIDS — Miguel Sano is 18 years old, and the Cedar Rapids Kernels weren’t happy he acted his age Friday night.

The Beloit Snappers third baseman and Minnesota Twins mega-prospect crushed a two-run home run to left-center field in the ninth inning to lift his team to a 5-3 win over the Kernels in the second game of a pseudo double-header at Veterans Memorial Stadium. Sano admired his homer a little too much for the Kernels, which led to a brief benches-clearing incident.

Cedar Rapids won the completion of a suspended game from Thursday night, 9-6.

“I think he kind of pimped that home run a little bit, and I think that struck some nerves in some of our players that he did that,” said Kernels Manager Jamie Burke.

Sano stood in the batter’s box awhile to watch his homer against relief pitcher Carmine Giardiana go. He trotted the bases, but virtually stopped a few feet before touching the plate, taking off his batting helmet as Kernels catcher Abel Baker barked at him.

Sano glared at the Kernels dugout after finally touching the plate, with Kernels players continuing to give him significant grief. He took a step toward Baker, and the dugouts began to empty, with umpires Fernando Rodriguez and Paul Clemons, as well as both teams’ coaching staffs, doing a good job of squelching what could have been an ugly scene.

“We respect the game, but some people do it,” Baker said of “pimping” home runs. “I just told (Sano) to run next time.”

Burke was asked if Sano’s action, or inaction, in this case, bothered him.

“At this level, it does. It really does,” he said. “You know, it’s part of the game. But like I tell my kids, we don’t do that here.”

Sano also homered in the suspended game and has a Midwest League leading eight longballs and 28 RBIs.

“He’s young, but he’s one heck of a player, man. He’s unbelievable,” Burke said. “That’s the best player I’ve seen here — by far.”

Beloit tied the seven-inning schedule game with a pair of seventh-inning runs, the tying one scoring when Eddie Rosario hit a long two-out fly to left field that Kernels left fielder Trevor Hairgrove had to go back on, got twisted around on and couldn’t catch.

Rosario was given a hit.

“I’ll take the blame for that one,” Burke said. “I had just moved him in a couple of steps before that. That’s my fault.”

Burke will manage his club for its game Saturday night in Wisconsin, then take a four-day leave, as pitching coach Chris Gissell did last week. The parent Los Angeles Angels are encouraging all of their minor-league coaches to take brief in-season sabbaticals.

Former Kernels Manager Tyrone Boykin (now a roving instructor) and hitting coach Mike Eylward will run the club in Burke’s absence.

The Kernels had a roster move prior to the game, as starting pitcher Ryan Crowley was promoted to high-Class A Inland Empire. Replacing him is left-handed pitcher Aaron Meade, who joins the team from Angels extended spring training.

Meade was a 10th-round draft pick in 2010 out of Missouri State who pitched last season for Rookie-level Orem.

Here are the boxscores for both games, in order:

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118. "Wimmers - slight UCL tear"
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Rest and rehab. Hopefully for a short time before changing course since Twins pitchers don't ever seem to accomplish anything with that course of action.

So, that's 2009 and 2010 draft picks with torn UCL. This team is pulling off the impressive feat of doing a terrible job of identifying pitching health *and* quality. At worst, you can really only fail at one of those.

Here's a thought. Why not pick the highest upside arm, Giolito, and just sign him up for Tommy John surgery right away? That seems to be where Gausman, Appel, etc. are headed anyhow if they get picked by Minnesota and their biggest appeal is that they can move quickly. So take the ace.

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119. "What's the fastest we can be *good* again?"
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Not just not shitty. Actually playoff-bound good.

In 2014, the Twins will have the following contract commitments:

-Joe Mauer 23mm (2017)
-Josh Willingham 7mm (2014)
-Denard Span 6.5mm (2014)
-Glen Perkins 3.75 (2015)

In 2014, the Twins present top 10 prospects will be the following ages:

-Miguel Sano, 21
-Joe Benson, 26
-Eddie Rosario, 22
-Aaron Hicks, 24
-Oswaldo Arcia, 23
-Levi Michael, 23
-Liam Hendriks, 25
-Kyle Gibson, 26
-Chris Parmelee, 26
-Brian Dozier, 27

So, the good news is that this is an entirely new team at every position but catcher. The bad news is the pitching. Gibson is on the shelf, with Wimmers out of the top ten but soon to join him. I like Hendriks, but there's number three upside at best. I guess the nice thing is that this is the sort of problem that Terry Ryan has solved before. There's no outfield that fits all of Revere, Span, Benson, Hicks, and Arcia. Since there's no way all of those young guys will turn up as prospects, it's important to move quickly and find a pitcher. There's also no infield that can include all of Sano, Rosario, Michael, and Dozier. Same thing applies.

If we find one quality starting pitcher out of those two position excesses and get a fast-moving pitcher with upside in the draft this year, then we're on our way. Say it's Appel, then by July of 2014 we could be looking at something like:

1. Hicks - CF
2. Mauer - C
3. Sano - 3B
4. Arcia - LF
5. Benson - RF
6. Michael - SS
7. Dozier - 2B
8. Parmelee - 1B

Still need a DH and a heavy-use catching partner for Mauer. That's soon for Sano and Arcia, but it'd be nice for a lineup like this to take their lumps as MLBers in the second half of 2014. Hopefully, Rosario gets a cup of coffee in September and we have another body to move for pitching in Michael/Dozier. But the lingering oddity is that the pitching that might help us be back good again is either hurt or not in the organization at present. So even if I write something like:

Appel
Gibson
Wimmers
Salcedo

Then we're looking at a guy playing presently for Stanford, one guy about to throw off the mound for the first time in a year sometime around June, another guy about to go under TJ, and a young guy with good stuff but weirdly declining strikeout rates. And no lefties. Somebody has to find us some lefties.

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120. "STrib: Dozier up, starting at short"
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When he arrives, that is. Carroll starting today.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/150343705.html

Dozier to start at short, Gardenhire says
Posted by: La Velle E. Neal III Updated: May 6, 2012 - 1:04 PM 19 commentsprint

Twins manager Ron Gardenhire, this morning on his weekly radio show on KSTP, said that recently-promoted infielder Brian Dozier will be his starting shortstop when he joins the team on Monday in the Twin Cities.

Dozier, along with lefthander Scott Diamond, were called up by the Twins on Saturday following their game against Buffalo (thanks for announcing it to the beat writers watching their 7-19 team while on deadline in Seattle, and I'm not talking about MH!). Dozier, currently their top middle infield prospect, is batting .277 for the Red Wings..
"We need some offense. We need some life," Gardenhire said on his show.

Gardy also pointed out that Jamey Carroll has played in every game this season and could use some rest. Carroll also can be used at second and third base, which gives Gardenhire a hammer to use against Alexi Casilla and Danny Valencia if he needs to.

Truthfully, this team needs more than Dozier. Just adding up some stats here, and it make me want to run to the bathroom.
The Twins have nine hits over their last four games. Their team batting average: .078.

Extra base hits: One.

Walks: Nine

If you include the first game of the Angels series, they are batting .113 on this road trip.

Ugh.

Headed to the ballpark soon. Will check in with you later.

UPDATE: The offensive failure is officially historic!
From the Twins' media notes about the nine hits in four games:
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, that is the fewest amount of hits over a four game span in modern Major League history (that is, since 1900)...Minnesota surpassed the previous four-game low of 10 hits, done by the California Angels in 1963 and again by the Cincinnati Reds in 1993.

Twins (7-19)
!. Denard Span, CF
2. Jamey Carroll, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Josh Willingham, LF
5. Ryan Doumit, DH
6. Chris Parmelee, 1B
7. Danny Valencia, 3B
8. Erik Komatsu, RF
9. Alexi Casilla, 2B
Nick Blackburn, RHP

Seattle (12-17)
TBA
Hector Noesi, RHP

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121. "Sr. M21, please collect your "Brian Dozier debut" prize"
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http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=16837

May 7, 2012
The Call-Up
Brian Dozier
by Kevin Goldstein

The Situation: Mired with the worst record in baseball, and arguably not even looking at good at their 7-20 record, the Minnesota Twins will begin evaluating what little talent they have at the upper levels by promoting Brian Dozier, who, according to manager Ron Gardenhire, will be replacing Jamey Carroll as the team's everyday shortstop.

Background: An eighth-round pick in 2009 out of Southern Mississippi, Dozier has never been noted for his tools, but his performances and all-out style of play have won scouts over. He hit just .278/.347/.338 in his full-season debut, but he broke out last year by hitting well over .300 at both Class A and Double-A and finishing with a combined batting line of .320/.399/.491 with 24 stolen bases. He slumped a bit to begin the year at Triple-A Rochester this spring, batting .276/.339/.371 in 28 games.

What He Can Do: Dozier is a grinder who plays the game right and has loads of polish. His best tool is his bat, as he has a simple line-drive swing and outstanding hands that allow him to spray balls all over the field, and he rarely strikes out. His gap power should provide plenty of doubles, but he rarely hits balls over the fence. He's merely an average runner, and while he makes all the plays he gets to at shortstop, he's not especially rangy.

Immediate Big League Future: Dozier should take advantage of what is a golden opportunity. He should be able to hit .270-.280, but the question is what he will do around the batting average. Over a full season, 5-10 home runs and 10-15 stolen bases are realistic expectations, so he's hardly a multi-category contributor for fantasy purposes. Many scouts think his range is questionable a short, but he should be able to play enough games there for the first part of his career.

Long-Term: Because of his tools limitations, Dozier is very much a what-you-see-is-what-you-get player with little in the way of upside. He's starting for now, but his long term future on a better team is likely more of a utility player.

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123. "Since the team's not going to win anytime soon, I'll take it"
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But did you catch last night? That almost looked like a team capable of scoring runs. Progress?

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124. "I was not totally displeased with yesterday"
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Progress could be strong, just in the sense that this team actually *should* score runs and the fact that they haven't lately kind of makes one believe that they'll literally never win again. But even without Willingham I thought the lineup looked decent against a tough pitcher last night. Doumit heating up could mean a nicer next couple weeks. He can really hit, even if he hasn't shown it yet.

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122. "So... down on the farm?"
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If you take the organization as a whole, things are going slightly better than just on the MLB level - but not by a lot. Alex Wimmers dotted his triumphant return from the yips with a more explainable loss of control, a UCL tear. He's doing the almost-certainly unsuccessful "rest and rehab" before figuring out what the next step is. Joe Benson's bat has tanked something awful, even under the tutelage of batting instructor genius Tom Brunansky. Benson was demoted to AA yesterday, which sucks, but it was a demotion to A+ Ft. Myers which woke him up a couple years ago. Maybe this will have the same effect.

Past that, let's look at ten things that are actually going well. Countdown-style!

10. Madison Boer, starting pitcher: Drafted as a reliever out of Oregon in 2011, the Eden Prairie native has added a nice little splitter and kept up his stamina as a starter. He kept the ball on the ground in Beloit and missed his share of bats, earning a promotion to Ft. Myers. His first start there was a little rough, but keep an eye on him. He's not a frontline starter, but he's got a different shape to his #4 projection - somebody who will pick up some strikeouts once and awhile. Think Boof Bonser.

9. Daniel Santana's emergence: Ignore, briefly, the oddity of the Twins looking almost exclusively at raw physical tools in position players and almost exclusively at polish in pitchers and appreciate what happens when heretofore un-realized tools start to operate. Santana is speed/power in a small package whose free-swinging kind of kept the bat from doing anything up until now. He still absolutely refuses to take the walk, but he's turned into a tough strikeout, has shown some pop in the miserable hitting environment of Ft. Myers, and looks like he'll stick at SS/2B. He's at .301/.317/.423 as a 21 year old in high-A. He might crack the team's top-10 after this season.

8. Levi Michael... can draw a walk: Needs to start hitting, but a 15% walk rate and a low-K rate is a nice beginning to his pro career. Don't forget that he's young for an NCAA draftee too. Just turned 21.

7. Bullpen arms: It's not frontline starters, but given the overall putrid shape of the big club's pitching performance, this is something to be pleased about. Deolis Guerra seems to have found himself as a reliever, with 24 strikeouts in 19 innings, two walks, ten hits, and an ERA under .50. Stack that with Lester Oliveros at New Britain and Corey Williams in Beloit and there are a few bullpen power arms with real late-inning upside sitting around. Oliveros and Guerra should see MLB time this year.

6. Oswaldo Arcia can kind of draw a walk: Not a lot, not yet. But it's a skill he didn't show at all in his first crack at Ft. Myers last year. He's at .275/.340/.429 right now. Sano has overtaken him as the best power bat in the system, but before Sano even started playing games that counted, Arcia was hitting his way to Ft. Myers with an absolutely absurd hot streak. He needs to show more discipline and show something against lefties, but the bat is really real.

5. Gibson rehab: It's apparently going well, knock on wood. He should throw off a mound in early June. It'll be kind of a weird decision for the Twins because the current rotation is so bad and Gibson was so close to ready before he went down. He's not young, and it might be smart to try and eliminate one of the two variables for 2013 by getting him used to MLB competition. September call-up with some very carefully deployed pen time?

4. Brian Dozier, MLB shortstop: Looked good last night, didn't he? He wont be spectacular, but I think he can be a nice, steady starter there for Minnesota.

3. Aaron Hicks finds out that you can go 1-4 once and awhile: Nobody gets hotter or colder than Aaron Hicks, until 2012 so far. The absurd hot streaks and kind of astonishing cold streaks haven't occurred for Hicks this season. What we've gotten instead is some pretty steady success with minor hot flashes and returns to doinking out some singles and, as usual, walks. He's also showing in-game power, with just one fewer HR so far than he had all of last season in Ft. Myers. Present line is .278/.355/.444. He's also running more, with seven steals. It turns out, shockingly, that the development of a some ideal player - a power/speed combination in a switch-hitting centerfielder with a plus-plus arm with elite plate discipline takes some time. Hicks has still got some stuff to work on, but this is a really good start to his AA transition. Feel free to be excited.

2. Eddie Rosario is *good*: .308/.413/.458 line so far with more walks than strikeouts. Like Arcia, Sano's absurd power is making us forget that Rosario's .150 IsoP is really, really good for a 20 year old playing his first season in full-season ball. It remains to be seen if he can play second base, but it sounds like he's making a real go of it and has the work ethic to succeed. It's really good news that the learning curve on a tough new position hasn't affected his bat, and in some ways the growth of a disciplined hitter who has retained good power might actually be more impressive than our #1's achievements so far.

1. Miguel Sano, eighteen year old for three more days: .306/.426/.658. He's still striking out too much, but he's added a skill in learning to take a walk. The growing awareness that pitchers don't want to give him anything juicy will lead to a huge leap forward when it develops fully. For now, we've got to settle for absurdly hard contact on nearly every ball put in play and incredible raw power for a teenager in a league that eats teenagers for breakfast. He has an outside shot at being a top-5 prospect in all of baseball after this season.

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125. "both sides of the plate? "
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>3. Aaron Hicks finds out that you can go 1-4 once and awhile:
>Nobody gets hotter or colder than Aaron Hicks, until 2012 so
>far. The absurd hot streaks and kind of astonishing cold
>streaks haven't occurred for Hicks this season. What we've
>gotten instead is some pretty steady success with minor hot
>flashes and returns to doinking out some singles and, as
>usual, walks. He's also showing in-game power, with just one
>fewer HR so far than he had all of last season in Ft. Myers.
>Present line is .278/.355/.444. He's also running more, with
>seven steals. It turns out, shockingly, that the development
>of a some ideal player - a power/speed combination in a
>switch-hitting centerfielder with a plus-plus arm with elite
>plate discipline takes some time. Hicks has still got some
>stuff to work on, but this is a really good start to his AA
>transition. Feel free to be excited.

i recall this being his big issue over the past couple years ...

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126. "Still a split, but he's closing it"
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His past pattern has shown almost multiple personalities with respect to different sides of the plate. As a right-handed hitter, he's aggressive with perfectly acceptable strikeout rates, relatively few walks, and big power. As a lefty, he either compensates for (or exacerbates, depending on who you ask) his contact issues with a huge walk rate. In short, he doesn't swing.

This year, he's swinging against right-handers, showing some power (.190 IsoP) and still drawing a bunch of walks. It's not perfect, but the .250/.349/.444 line there is a *huge* improvement over the way he's attacked righthanders before.

Very few switch hitters are equally proficient and/or proficient in the same ways from both sides. If Hicks can keep this up and maintain a .250ish average against righthanders, then the differently shaped approaches can work fine. He'll rake against lefties, and go a bit more three-true outcomes against righties. It'll drive Gardenhire nuts, but I'd love to see the two different Hicks even played at different points in the batting order.

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128. "Big day out: Guerra/Oliveros, Arcia, Sano"
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Guerra threw 2.1 innings with one hit and one strikeout yesterday, bringing his 2012 Rochester season totals to 9.0 scoreless innings. Succeed or fail as an MLBer, this winter was the most positive I've seen the prospect writers on Guerra since he joined the organization. The fastball is playing up out of the pen. He's pitching off of it and throwing strikes. The slider is a nice third offering. And the changeup can be devastating when it's on. It's not what we traded for, but he really seems to have taken to this role.

Oliveros also has a 9+ inning scoreless streak going, with two thirds of an inning yesterday. He's a more traditional late-inning arm, with big velocity out of a small body. If he can keep finding the strikezone, Oliveros and Guerra will be a nice addition to the pen.

If Carlos Gutierrez ever gets healthy. That's half a bullpen.

Oswaldo Arcia added a couple of singles last night, indicating some growing comfort with Ft. Myers. And Miguel Sano hit his tenth homerun. Hilariously, a 1-4 day with a homerun isn't too far above his seasonal OPS so there's no outlandish numbers growth to report.

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131. "BA on Deolis Guerra"
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It's kind of funny, because the shortlist for "best closer ever" includes a changeup specialist (Trevor Hoffman) but it's actually a pretty unusual profile for a reliever because it's such a "feel" pitch and usually players develop it after they already have two usable pitches. Additionally, it seems like the first question teams ask about guys assigned short roles is "can they get same-sided batters out?"

Guerra's apparently sharpened his breaking stuff, but that fastball/change combination can be very good if he can touch the mid-90s. I saw him pitch a couple times in Spring Training (thanks, MLBtv!) and though it was inconsistent at the time you could tell the changeup was a nasty, nasty pitch when got it going.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2012/05/deolis-guerra-finally-reaches-triple-a-looks-like-he-belongs/

Deolis Guerra Finally Reaches Triple-A, Looks Like He Belongs

Posted May. 8, 2012 10:16 pm by J.J. Cooper
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Deolis Guerra's career didn't just stall after his trade to the Twins, it entered a total hibernation. Now it's back on track.

As a Met, Guerra had reached the high Class A Florida State League late in the 2006 season as a 17-year-old. He spent the entire 2007 season in the FSL as well then was traded to the Twins during the offseason in the Johan Santana trade.

The Twins move their players slower than the Mets do, so Guerra returned to the Florida State League for a third year, and a second full season. And that's where things got tricky. Guerra's once plus 92-94 mph fastball lost some velocity and he continued to struggle to develop a breaking ball. When he went 11-9, 5.47 in his first year in Fort Myers, the Twins didn't have much choice but to send him back to Fort Myers again in 2009, meaning Guerra spent parts of four seasons in the Florida State League.

Eventually Minnesota did promote Guerra to Double-A New Britain in the middle of 2009, but story didn't change once Guerra was promoted. He posted an ERA above 5.00 for New Britain in 2009, 2010 and 2011. But midway through the '11 season, the Twins moved Guerra to the bullpen, and with that, Guerra's slow-motion career has once again gotten on track.

Guerra's fastball is once again showing signs of being plus and his changeup is still a useful weapon. As a reliever, Guerra has earned a legitimate promotion to Triple-A this year by going 2-0, 0.71 with 15 strikeouts and 1 walk in 12 2/3 innings at New Britain. He hasn't allowed a run in his first four outings stretching over nine innings for Triple-A Rochester, including 2 1/3 scoreless innings on Tuesday. Althogether Guerra has allowed 1 R, 11 H and 2 BB in 21 2/3 innings while striking out 25.

After nearly seven seasons stuck between two levels, it's not unreasonable to think that Guerra could make it to Minnesota this year. Considering he's the only player left on the Twins side from the Santana trade, that is one piece of good news in a rough year for the Twins.

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127. "Holy shit, they won!"
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I was watching "The Hunger Games" with Mrs. Walleye. Nice, faithful adaptation. It was kind of notable how many of the decisions were based on the sort of unrepeatable strength of the very present tense first person narration of the book. We learn a ton based on Katniss' confusion, but that's not really available here. A bunch of interesting choices as a result.

But how about Scott Diamond? He's the pitcher I absolutely refuse to get excited about because I'm positive the Twins have kept him because his delivery looks just like Cliff Lee's. Scott Diamond is not Cliff Lee. He doesn't have even Lee's scaled-back velocity. He doesn't have Lee's freakish command. And he doesn't have Lee's cutter.

But he does have pretty good command, and he does cut the ball kind of well, and he's actually got a pretty good change-up that will be a real weapon against righties. I don't think he's more than a fifth starter, but he's two things the Twins need: a left-handed fifth starter and one who might actually unroll a gem like last night once and awhile.

Also, Dozier!

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129. "Osterbrock: You suck, Twins doctors"
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I think the implication of incompetence (one for which we have plenty of supporting evidence over the past year) actually kind of misses the mark. The issue here seems to be that being an injured minorleague pitcher sort of sucks. A team is going to tell a 25 year old marginal prospect to rehab and get back to work because:

a)they can

b)they have a short unofficial timeline (age/development) to judge a pitcher with that profile

c)they have a short official timeline (minorleague options) to judge a pitcher with that profile

It'd be cool if the Twins were the team that didn't do this to players, but since there's no developmental or economic incentive to pay for a second surgery and keep Osterbrock in the organization for another year, they're going to behave like a business and just not do it. I hate making an "ought" out of an "is" as much as the next person who appreciates ethical reasoning, so don't take that as an endorsement so much as an observation.

http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_20577229/ex-farmhand-accuses-twins-neglecting-obvious-injury-team

Ex-farmhand accuses Twins of 'neglecting obvious injury'; team says it tried to help
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Posted: 05/08/2012 12:01:00 AM CDT
Updated: 05/08/2012 11:57:46 PM CDT

Dan Osterbrock, a former Minnesota Twins minor league pitcher released this spring, accused the team of "completely neglecting the obvious injury I had," according to his Twitter post Tuesday, May 8.

Osterbrock, a left-hander, was Minnesota's seventh-round draft pick in 2008. Twins minor league director Jim Rantz told the Pioneer Press that Osterbrock underwent surgery on his left shoulder and went through rehabilitation while still with the organization. The Twins released him this spring when they saw he wasn't going to be ready to pitch, Rantz said.

"We rehabbed him to the point we thought he was good to go," Rantz said. "He carried it to another doctor, and then he went and had some more surgery done on his shoulder."

Osterbrock (@danosterbrock) tweeted Tuesday that "surgery went well. Should be throwing soon. Special thanks to the Twins for completely neglecting the obvious injury I had."

Osterbrock's agent, Joe Bick, declined comment.

Rantz said Osterbrock, 25, from Cincinnati, has made a workers' compensation claim with the Twins, who paid for his first surgery. The claim will cover Osterbrock's second surgery, Rantz said.

"He picked a doctor where he lives, and they did some more surgery," Rantz said. "We did the surgery on his shoulder, strengthened him back to where we thought that he was rehabbed, and he still complained that his shoulder bothered him. He went for further evaluation by his doctor, and they went ahead and did some more surgery."

Osterbrock,

who pitched in the Twins' system from 2008 to 2011, advanced as far as Class AA New Britain last season, but he started only two games there and compiled an 18.47 earned-run average.
In June 2011, the University of Cincinnati athletics department website, gobearcats.com, quoted the school's former pitching star as saying that he started having pain early in 2011.

"It started hurting back in January and I told the Twins about it and they sent me up to Minnesota to get an MRI done," Osterbrock said, according to the website. "I guess the MRI showed everything was clean, but that my rotator cuff was a little weak, so they sent me down to Florida to get some work done strengthening it. During spring training, it was still kind of bothering me but not too bad. I got a cortisone shot and it eased the pain for a little bit. They kept telling me that I was going to be all right and that I should try to play through it and I did for as long as I could."

Osterbrock kept pitching, according to gobearcats.com, but his velocity was dropping. And then the promotion to New Britain worked against him because the cold forced him to tighten up, the pain to increase, and his velocity to decrease while facing higher-quality hitters, he said. Osterbrock then had surgery.

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132. "was just going to post about this"
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while rationalizing the twins position was helpful, all the previous evidence to support osterbrock's position was hard to ignore. you have wonder what is going through the minds of the top pitching prospects in the coming draft?

on one hand, given the dearth of starting pitching at ANY level in our organization, the track should be very quick to the majors as long as they perform. on the other, their elbow/shoulder might assplode.

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133. "Yeah, there's no good here"
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>you have wonder what is going through the minds of the
>top pitching prospects in the coming draft?

Right. And that's a huge issue. They'll get treated better than Osterbrock just because of their draft position, but making it about the abilities of the doctors should be a real scare to anybody thinking "should I sign with Minnesota or maybe go to college?" The Twins have had two consecutive top pitching picks go down with UCL injuries, added on to a bunch of MLB-level injuries, and now this comes out. Bad, bad news.

>on one hand, given the dearth of starting pitching at ANY
>level in our organization, the track should be very quick to
>the majors as long as they perform. on the other, their
>elbow/shoulder might assplode.

Right. I was waiting on the Callis chat on BA today for some data to buttress a post with the following question: What is the likelihood that, if the Twins draft a pitcher with the #2 pick in June, that this pitcher is the best in the system by the time he signs? Not the most talented or projected to be the best, but the actual best.

I'd go with 33%. I think the Twins would wan to take Appel and Zimmer slow for different reasons. Appel for his workload this spring and Zimmer because he's new to pitching. But if we gave every single pitcher in the organization an MLB start on July 15th, I'd put my money on Kevin Gausman to the best.

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134. "Shake-shake-shake... Valencia to Rochester, Liriano to pen"
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Maloney to... elsewhere. Darin Mastroianni up. PJ Walters up.

No need for a link. I'm fine with the Liriano move as long as a return to the rotation is on the table this season. Valencia, whatever. I was hoping after 2010 he'd spend a bit more time looking like an average-to-good MLB option, but it seems clear that's not the case.

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i like both moves. we had been talking on and off about moving liriano to the pen either to A. get his confidence back or B. make him a thrower again due to not having to worry about stamina. all of the above would be nice, but i'm unsure i want to see a return to the rotation given his complete lack of consistency in that position. if he continues to exhibit that in the pen, then i don't know what the fuck to do.

valencia? whatever. the sad thing is we don't have prospects with upside coming in to replace both of these players. we just have ... bodies. ugh.

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136. "Yeah, it's like the purge of 2006 without the incoming talent"
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>i like both moves. we had been talking on and off about
>moving liriano to the pen either to A. get his confidence back
>or B. make him a thrower again due to not having to worry
>about stamina. all of the above would be nice, but i'm unsure
>i want to see a return to the rotation given his complete lack
>of consistency in that position. if he continues to exhibit
>that in the pen, then i don't know what the fuck to do.

My concern was his tradability. That ship may have sailed insofar as he can be considered a playoff starter for somebody. And maybe it'll return as a high-leverage pen candidate. But I still want to hope that five or six good starts can make him a nice deadline pickup for somebody. Combined with Span (come on Nationals, you know Bryce Harper isn't a centerfielder), and maybe we'll have something shiny to dream about at the end of July.

>valencia? whatever. the sad thing is we don't have prospects
>with upside coming in to replace both of these players. we
>just have ... bodies. ugh.

Yeah, the good news here is... what? That the infield defense is going to look pretty good with Carroll, Dozier, and Casilla in there? That doesn't quite get my heart pumping, though I'm sure the pitchers will appreciate it.

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139. "what about plouffe to third? "
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the guy has the arm and the pop ... not sure he can hit consistently, but wonder why that hasn't been thought of yet.

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>the guy has the arm and the pop ... not sure he can hit
>consistently, but wonder why that hasn't been thought of yet.

His problems at shortstop weren't his hands or his arm, but rather the difficulty of setting his feet and unleashing that big arm from a variety of angles. Third seems like an ideal solution to his defensive problems and a way to use what he does well. Throw in a bat that should be good for twenty homeruns if he's in the lineup regularly and you've got, what, Joe Crede without the defense but with health? That'd work for me.

He's out of options, though. So he can't be sent to Rochester to learn, and I think Gardy had enough of infielders learning on the job last year. That's a dumb reason, particularly since we're awful with or without interesting ideas, but it's the sort of dumb reason the team has governed itself by in good and bad years.

Though the Valencia news did say that third would be manned by Carroll "and others". Adding Darin Mastroianni from Rochester means we currently have five outfielders (Willingham, Span, Plouffe, Doumit, Mastroianni and Komatsu) so Plouffe's background as an infielder should put him in that mix if only because he's not going to get at-bats otherwise.

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This is a good opportunity for him. Probably his last to win a starting job.

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Fun fact about Nashville: it should be in Eastern Time, but it isn't. Without something like a full time job to artificially motor my internal clock, this geographic oddity has really fucked with my sleeping schedule. The sun comes up here at what seems like five a.m., so I get up early. Usually I go to sleep pretty early too, but the Twins west-coast swing right after I returned from Iowa means I'm actually going to bed late too and am still sort of on that schedule.

Last night, that meant staying up to watch Drew Smyly and the Tigers play Seattle because I'm trying to be supportive of a first-time fantasy baseball player in my weird pitching/defense league* who has run into weirdly bad luck with her squad lately. Can't let players lose interest.

*a friend of my wife, making this what I assume is the only fantasy baseball league with two women in it.

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>i like both moves. we had been talking on and off about
>moving liriano to the pen either to A. get his confidence back
>or B. make him a thrower again due to not having to worry
>about stamina. all of the above would be nice, but i'm unsure
>i want to see a return to the rotation given his complete lack
>of consistency in that position. if he continues to exhibit
>that in the pen, then i don't know what the fuck to do.

I can't remember the last MN athlete with this kind of talent but this much mental inconsistency.

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141. "Draft stuff: Luc Giolito is alive"
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-His dad reports he's back to throwing from 60 feet, with 90 and 120 over the next couple weeks. I don't know what that leaves in the way of chances to see him in competition before the draft in June, but if he can work out on a mound then the Twins will need to show up and consider him strongly.

-Remember Kyle Seager tearing the Twins up this weekend for Seattle? His brother is rising in the draft and profiles very similarly. Maybe he'll stick around for the supplemental picks. Watching Nick Castellanos destroy the Florida State League makes me jealous of a polished HS talent who can provide above average offense and good defense for the position.

-Some kid in Rochester, MN named Mitch Brown is sitting in the low-90s and has hit 95mph. He's only 6'1", which is considered small for a right-handed starter, but recent successes should have teams rethinking that. The Twins don't like to get beat in Minnesota unless it's by a college, so this: "The San Diego commit threw his best game this spring in his first outing, with plenty of eyes and radar guns on him. He didn't throw a pitch under 90 mph and flashed plenty of 94s. He mixed in a cutter with slider action at 87-88 mph, a good curveball and flashes of a changeup." should look really appealing with one of those sandwich picks.

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"BA Mock Draft 1.0"


          

I've included the top 10 for context, but Callis has the Twins taking Byron Buxton at #2. The Astros have been rumored to be on everybody, including, according to Keith Law, some people that aren't necessarily expected 1.1 candidates. Maybe looking for a bargain to save up for later in the draft? That's a terrible idea. Anyhow, the point is that this is their first shot at sorting out the specific team-to-guy rumors, but those are still the largely unknown variables. Law reported last week that the Twins were on Zimmer and Gausman, but that might be presupposing that Buxton's star upside is unavailable at #2.

The leadup for this article quoted a scout calling this the worst crop of NCAA position players in two decades. I think there's a chance they're being swayed by adjustments to the new bats, though Marrero's slide means a pretty huge absence in collegiate up-the-middle players. It's kind of funny after months of everybody trying other guys out that Appel is back at 1.1. His workload at Stanford concerns me when paired with the Twins' recent, uh, struggles with health. But Law had an interesting line in his chat after somebody complained about Appel's status as a not-ace. Law said that he had a fairly reachable upside as a good #2 and one of the top 40-50 pitchers in baseball. That sounds pretty good right now.

1. ASTROS: Houston is focusing on Buxton, Zunino and the three best college pitchers (Stanford's Mark Appel, Louisiana State's Kevin Gausman and San Francisco's Kyle Zimmer). Scouting director Bobby Heck has taken an up-the-middle position player with his top pick in each of his four drafts, and he and his staff are believed to favor Buxton, a five-tool center fielder. Rumors persist that the Astros' higher-ups—new owner Jim Crane and new general manager Jeff Luhnow—prefer an arm who could help soon and fit at the front of their rotation.
Projected Pick: MARK APPEL.

2. TWINS: Minnesota needs plenty of pitching help too, but it will set its draft board and take the best player available. That should be Buxton, though Zunino would enable the Twins to shift Joe Mauer to a less taxing position.
Projected Pick: BYRON BUXTON.

3. MARINERS: Seattle is loaded with pitching prospects and needs offense, so a bat would seem to be the obvious choice. That was the case in 2011 as well, when the Mariners crossed up the industry by selecting Hultzen at No. 2. They seem to be locked in on Buxton, Zunino and Puerto Rican high school shortstop Carlos Correa. Correa draws comparisons to Troy Tulowitzki, whom Seattle was set to take in this slot seven years ago before making a late switch to . . . Jeff Clement.
Projected Pick: MIKE ZUNINO.

4. ORIOLES: Baltimore is looking at the same hitters as the teams at the top of the draft, but unless Buxton or Zunino falls, it likely will opt for one of the three college arms. The Orioles are the first club mentioned with Arizona State shortstop Deven Marrero, but that seems like a reach given Marrero's offensive struggles this spring.
Projected Pick: KYLE ZIMMER.

5. ROYALS: Kansas City picked in this spot last year and missed out on the advanced pitcher it coveted when Cole, Hultzen, Bauer and Bundy went with the first four choices. The Royals will try again in 2012, and one of the three top-tier college arms should be available. If Appel, Gausman and Zimmer all disappear, Kansas City's best bet would be Zunino.
Projected Pick: KEVIN GAUSMAN.

6. CUBS: Once Appel, Gausman and Zimmer are chosen, there will be a run on position players, most of whom will be high schoolers. Chicago's pick could come down to Correa and polished Florida high school center fielder Albert Almora. The Cubs took another prep shortstop of Puerto Rican descent (Javier Baez) at No. 9 a year ago.
Projected Pick: ALBERT ALMORA.

7. PADRES: San Diego would prefer to take a bat here, likely from among a group that includes Zunino, Correa and Clemson third baseman Richie Shaffer. The Padres also could be tempted by a pitcher like Duke righthander Marcus Stroman, who's 5-foot-9 but has the most electric stuff in the draft, or Giolito's teammate Max Fried, a lefthander whose performance was slipping in early May.
Projected Pick: CARLOS CORREA.

8. PIRATES: After spending $14.5 million in bonuses on righthanders Jameson Taillon (No. 2 overall, 2010) and Cole (No. 1 overall, 2011), Pittsburgh seeks a position player. The Pirates have been searching for a shortstop for years, which may lead them to Marrero, a gifted defender and one of the few locks to stay at the position in this draft.
Projected Pick: DEVEN MARRERO.

9. MARLINS: It's easy to peg Stroman as a reliever because of his size, but his 93-95 mph fastball and dastardly slider probably aren't getting past the first 10 selections. Miami also could go for a high school position player such as Almora, Correa or David Dahl, a center fielder from Alabama. Given the many Oklahoma connections in the Marlins' front office, don't rule out Oklahoma State lefthander Andrew Heaney or Oklahoma prep righthander Ty Hensley.
Projected Pick: MARCUS STROMAN.

10. ROCKIES: Colorado has had limited success taking pitchers with its top choice in five of the last six drafts. The Rockies are zeroing in on hitters and would love Almora, but they may have to settle for a slightly lesser version in Dahl.
Projected Pick: DAVID DAHL.

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143. "BA Mock Draft 1.0"
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I've included the top 10 for context, but Callis has the Twins taking Byron Buxton at #2. The Astros have been rumored to be on everybody, including, according to Keith Law, some people that aren't necessarily expected 1.1 candidates. Maybe looking for a bargain to save up for later in the draft? That's a terrible idea. Anyhow, the point is that this is their first shot at sorting out the specific team-to-guy rumors, but those are still the largely unknown variables. Law reported last week that the Twins were on Zimmer and Gausman, but that might be presupposing that Buxton's star upside is unavailable at #2.

The leadup for this article quoted a scout calling this the worst crop of NCAA position players in two decades. I think there's a chance they're being swayed by adjustments to the new bats, though Marrero's slide means a pretty huge absence in collegiate up-the-middle players. It's kind of funny after months of everybody trying other guys out that Appel is back at 1.1. His workload at Stanford concerns me when paired with the Twins' recent, uh, struggles with health. But Law had an interesting line in his chat after somebody complained about Appel's status as a not-ace. Law said that he had a fairly reachable upside as a good #2 and one of the top 40-50 pitchers in baseball. That sounds pretty good right now.

1. ASTROS: Houston is focusing on Buxton, Zunino and the three best college pitchers (Stanford's Mark Appel, Louisiana State's Kevin Gausman and San Francisco's Kyle Zimmer). Scouting director Bobby Heck has taken an up-the-middle position player with his top pick in each of his four drafts, and he and his staff are believed to favor Buxton, a five-tool center fielder. Rumors persist that the Astros' higher-ups—new owner Jim Crane and new general manager Jeff Luhnow—prefer an arm who could help soon and fit at the front of their rotation.
Projected Pick: MARK APPEL.

2. TWINS: Minnesota needs plenty of pitching help too, but it will set its draft board and take the best player available. That should be Buxton, though Zunino would enable the Twins to shift Joe Mauer to a less taxing position.
Projected Pick: BYRON BUXTON.

3. MARINERS: Seattle is loaded with pitching prospects and needs offense, so a bat would seem to be the obvious choice. That was the case in 2011 as well, when the Mariners crossed up the industry by selecting Hultzen at No. 2. They seem to be locked in on Buxton, Zunino and Puerto Rican high school shortstop Carlos Correa. Correa draws comparisons to Troy Tulowitzki, whom Seattle was set to take in this slot seven years ago before making a late switch to . . . Jeff Clement.
Projected Pick: MIKE ZUNINO.

4. ORIOLES: Baltimore is looking at the same hitters as the teams at the top of the draft, but unless Buxton or Zunino falls, it likely will opt for one of the three college arms. The Orioles are the first club mentioned with Arizona State shortstop Deven Marrero, but that seems like a reach given Marrero's offensive struggles this spring.
Projected Pick: KYLE ZIMMER.

5. ROYALS: Kansas City picked in this spot last year and missed out on the advanced pitcher it coveted when Cole, Hultzen, Bauer and Bundy went with the first four choices. The Royals will try again in 2012, and one of the three top-tier college arms should be available. If Appel, Gausman and Zimmer all disappear, Kansas City's best bet would be Zunino.
Projected Pick: KEVIN GAUSMAN.

6. CUBS: Once Appel, Gausman and Zimmer are chosen, there will be a run on position players, most of whom will be high schoolers. Chicago's pick could come down to Correa and polished Florida high school center fielder Albert Almora. The Cubs took another prep shortstop of Puerto Rican descent (Javier Baez) at No. 9 a year ago.
Projected Pick: ALBERT ALMORA.

7. PADRES: San Diego would prefer to take a bat here, likely from among a group that includes Zunino, Correa and Clemson third baseman Richie Shaffer. The Padres also could be tempted by a pitcher like Duke righthander Marcus Stroman, who's 5-foot-9 but has the most electric stuff in the draft, or Giolito's teammate Max Fried, a lefthander whose performance was slipping in early May.
Projected Pick: CARLOS CORREA.

8. PIRATES: After spending $14.5 million in bonuses on righthanders Jameson Taillon (No. 2 overall, 2010) and Cole (No. 1 overall, 2011), Pittsburgh seeks a position player. The Pirates have been searching for a shortstop for years, which may lead them to Marrero, a gifted defender and one of the few locks to stay at the position in this draft.
Projected Pick: DEVEN MARRERO.

9. MARLINS: It's easy to peg Stroman as a reliever because of his size, but his 93-95 mph fastball and dastardly slider probably aren't getting past the first 10 selections. Miami also could go for a high school position player such as Almora, Correa or David Dahl, a center fielder from Alabama. Given the many Oklahoma connections in the Marlins' front office, don't rule out Oklahoma State lefthander Andrew Heaney or Oklahoma prep righthander Ty Hensley.
Projected Pick: MARCUS STROMAN.

10. ROCKIES: Colorado has had limited success taking pitchers with its top choice in five of the last six drafts. The Rockies are zeroing in on hitters and would love Almora, but they may have to settle for a slightly lesser version in Dahl.
Projected Pick: DAVID DAHL.

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144. "Some BA capsules (old ones) on these guys"
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Just a reminder:

1. Mark Appel, rhp, Stanford
Appel had both the best present stuff on the college national team and plenty of room to grow as a pitcher. The 6-foot-5, 190-pounder's arm works easily, delivering consistent 92-95 mph fastballs with good life in the strike zone. Hitters can't sit on his fastball because he throws a true slider, and he's working on developing a changeup. Like Verlander, he hasn't dominated in college as much as his stuff should dictate, allowing 114 hits and striking out just 86 in 110 innings at Stanford last spring. Appel throws strikes but leaves his pitches over the plate and up in the zone too often, and he'll be nearly untouchable once he refines his command. —2011 Team USA Top 20

3. Byron Buxton, of, Appling County HS, Baxley, Ga.
Buxton, who also plays quarterback for his high school football team, is a natural athlete who makes things look easy between the lines. Buxton stands 6-foot-2 and 170 pounds. He has a lean frame with a trim waist and shows plenty of speed to handle center field. At the East Coast Pro Showcase, Buxton turned in a 6.50-second 60-yard dash, which grades out as 70 speed on the 20-80 scouting scale. Buxton's arm would also be an asset in the outfield, as he's been clocked in the low 90s off the mound. Buxton has an open setup at the plate and exhibits fluid hitting mechanics. He shows good balance in his short swing, excellent bat speed and a knack for centering the ball—all things necessary to hit for a high average. And there's power potential too—which he showed off by finishing second in the Under Armour game home run derby—with more to come as he continues to fill out and mature physically. His explosive athleticism and five-tool potential has already led some scouts to compare the Georgia commit to a hybrid of the Upton brothers. —Conor Glassey (Jan. 2012)

5. Mike Zunino, c, Florida
The Southeastern Conference player of the year, Zunino was a beast against elite SEC competition. In conference games, he led the league in slugging (.750), runs (36), RBIs (33) and doubles (14) and ranked second in batting (.422), OBP (.477) and homers (eight). He hit more balls hard than anybody in our lineup, and he carried it over into this year. Like most good hitters, he tries to use the middle of the field. He doesn't get pull happy. That's what got him going last year: He used both sides of the field. He likes to pull the ball like most hitters, but when he learned to stay back and see the breaking ball better, not chase the one down, that really helped him. Zunino is also a standout defender—he has a .998 fielding percentage and has thrown out about a third of opposing basestealers. His all-around package makes him a possible first-round pick in the 2012 draft.


6. Kevin Gausman, rhp, Louisiana State
Gausman's homestate Rockies considered drafting him in the first round two years ago out of high school, and he's expected to go that high as a draft-eligible sophomore next year. Tall and slender at 6-foot-4, 185 pounds, he shows the potential for three plus pitches. Gausman features armside run and sink on his 92-96 mph fastball, though his tendency to tilt his shoulder in his delivery affects his ability to work the corners and pitch down in the zone. He throws both a curveball and slider, which both have their moments. His changeup is a weapon because he sells it so well with his arm speed, and he added more depth to it this summer. —2011 Team USA Top 20

28. Kyle Zimmer, rhp, San Francisco
After throwing just five innings as a freshman in 2011, Zimmer blossomed into San Francisco's ace down the stretch in 2011, capped by a four-hit, 11-strikeout shutout against UCLA to beat Gerrit Cole in regionals. He followed up his spring with a solid Cape season, posting a 3.38 ERA and a 37-14 K-BB mark in 48 innings. The 6-foot-3, 210-pound Zimmer is a power pitcher with a fastball that sits comfortably at 92-94 and touches 95. His curveball can be a hammer in the low 80s with sharp tilt, but sometimes he leaves it up in the zone when he should bury it. Still, it projects as a plus pitch when he learns to stay on top of it more consistently. He made progress with his changeup this summer, but it still has a ways to go. "He had plenty of arm and had a hard curveball—a really good curveball," a second NL scouting director said. "He had a good sense what he was going, and was aggressive. The arm and delivery work—it's not an effort deal—and it looks like he'll be a starter. It was a pretty impressive package." —2011 Cape Cod Top 30

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145. "No rumor, just spitballing - Yankees a fit for Span?"
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They put a call in on him after 2009, when they ended up trading for Granderson. They should be set with good defense in center and left and high-OBA and speed at both spots, but Brett Gardner just had a rehab setback and will be going in for an MRI. Span might be a nice fit in left for them, and they've still got that Banuelos/Betances duo in their system.

No way the Twins pry more than one of them away, but maybe one or the other could be had. They're both good prospects but neither is on a straight ascent to obvious acedom and good teams don't always have the luxury of patience. Banuelos is a 21 year old undersized lefty at AAA with a lively fastball and a nutso changeup. There's an interesting discussion here to be had about the huge importance of the ambiguous category of "command" because that's the difference between Banuelos and a pretty solid Johan Santana comp.

Dellin Betances is everything you look for in a right-handed ace. He's 6'8" and 260 lbs and somehow looks bigger on the mound. His mid-90s (peaking at 97-98) fastball gets great downhill action. He has a good sharp curveball that he has trouble throwing for strikes and a changeup that is... ongoing. As you may imagine, his enormity has led to occasional difficulty keeping his mechanics straight and that's led to some ugly starts. If you want to see the good, though, look Wednesday's utterly dominating AAA performance: 8 IP, 7 K, 2 BB, 1 H, 1 ER.

Anyhow, the big turning points here are Gardner's health and Pineda's health for 2013. I don't think the Yankees are planning on shopping for a leadoff man, but if they stay in that tough race even with bad news on the former and good news on the latter, Span will fill an immediate need for them and one of Banuelos/Betances could look less necessary.

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146. "Willingham was a waiver wire steal for me in fantasy. Can he keep..."
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147. "Not a 1.000+ OPS, but I think he'll keep hitting"
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The Blue Jays (who are, coincidentally, in town) taught the Twins over the past two years that there's one area where Target Field actually isn't hard to homers - down the leftfield line. Right-handed hitters with big pull power have thrived there, but none of them have actually been Twins. They showed a statistic yesterday where Jose Bautista is one of the top five or six homerun hitters in Target Field and he's played EIGHT games there.

Anyhow, Willingham will yank a bunch of balls out down the leftfield line. This is the first time the Twins have had a hitter whose swing exploits the way the park plays. He's making more contact this year, which means if you want to bet on that batting average not returning to his usual .250ish then you have something to stake a claim on. But I don't think 33 year olds really learn big skills like that.

I think something like .260/.370/.500 is pretty plausible though. With 3o-35 homers. Be careful of RBIs though. The Twins offense has been really ugly for a couple weeks for guys not named Willingham. Mauer will snap back as long as he's not hurt, but Span could get traded and after those two then Willingham wont have a lot of guys to drive in.

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148. "he's a good hitter. but be ready for him to be hurt at some point."
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150. "Anybody else impressed with Brian Dozier?"
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Not like "this kid's going to be a perennial All-Star!" impressed, but a more temperate, "you know, I can't remember the last time the Twins signed a developed a middle infielder who looked this steady and confident". Jason Bartlett was acquired in a trade. Ditto Cristian Guzman and Alexi Casilla.

He hasn't really started hitting yet, but he takes good plate appearances and he's been better in the field than I was led to believe. Weirdly enough, it's presently a strength in our system with Michael and Rosario and Dozier all making BA's top-10, Niko Goodrum's crazy tools sitting around waiting for another run at E-Town, and some solid defenders with projectable bats like Tyler Grimes and Adam Bryant.

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151. "Is Scott Diamond good?"
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My beef with him is that I've always thought the team looked at his delivery and saw Cliff Lee. Except that Lee is four inches taller, averages 3mph more with his fastball, and has command over all his pitches which can be properly understood as "pinpoint". That's how somebody without a big, hairy fastball becomes a legitimate ace.

To say that Diamond has been pulling a poor man's Cliff Lee act, however, wouldn't be wrong. He's throwing his fastball for strikes whilst cutting it and sinking it, flipping a nice curveball up there in any count, and has continued with a genuine swing-and-miss change.

I think ultimately that "very poor man's Mark Buehrle" is his upside or "Brian Duensing with a changeup". Either way, it's nice to get some good starts.

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152. "He's good enough for this rotation"
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I was at the game today, very impressed with how he didn't give up anything big against THAT team.

Finally broke my three game losing streak of seeing the Twins lose at Target Field.

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153. "Excellent"
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>I was at the game today, very impressed with how he didn't
>give up anything big against THAT team.

Yeah, the Blue Jays have owned the Twins dating back to when the Twins were really good. Pretty nice to keep them in the park.

>Finally broke my three game losing streak of seeing the Twins
>lose at Target Field.

Even better. I have a two game winning streak. Hopefully more later this summer maybe.

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154. "And Dozier went yard? "
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>>I was at the game today, very impressed with how he didn't
>>give up anything big against THAT team.
>
>Yeah, the Blue Jays have owned the Twins dating back to when
>the Twins were really good. Pretty nice to keep them in the
>park.

Are things less bleak than they looked? If Diamond can be 09-Pavano caliber even,that's a huge boost to the starting rotation. Is this possible?

>>Finally broke my three game losing streak of seeing the
>Twins
>>lose at Target Field.
>
>Even better. I have a two game winning streak. Hopefully more
>later this summer maybe.

But I couldn't find the Cuban sandwich stand, so it wasn't all glory. I was then informed it was right outside where we were sitting. You coming to any games this year?

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156. "RE: And Dozier went yard? "
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I like Dozier a lot. His HR power is an open question, but jumping on a hanging changeup and driving it into the second deck is the sort of one-pitch sample size that says, what, 10-15 a year? New guys who aren't afraid of the park are awesome.

>Are things less bleak than they looked? If Diamond can be
>09-Pavano caliber even,that's a huge boost to the starting
>rotation. Is this possible?

I think there's a .500 team living inside the organization, but it means getting lucky with some pitchers in sort of the same fashion as you mention here. I think '09 Pavano would be a good comp, except that his age and experience meant the Twins leaned on him for more innings than we'll ever see out of Diamond. But like Pavano, he's spent two starts (and more if you include his Rochester time this year) as a low-walk, above-average-K-rate groundballer. Throw in that he's a lefty and the Twins may have walked into one rather nicely here.

>But I couldn't find the Cuban sandwich stand, so it wasn't all
>glory. I was then informed it was right outside where we were
>sitting. You coming to any games this year?

Hopefully. We're moving at the end of June (to DC) so it'll take more effort than we're used to. But the incentive for effort is there. My wife's family moved from Southern Minnesota up to near Grand Marais, and we're thinking that going to the Twin Cities in the summer and telling them to come the last step and meeting us down there is way better than trying to brave the December weather and getting all the way up north for Christmas.

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157. "you realize the twins don't have a christmas schedule"
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>Hopefully. We're moving at the end of June (to DC) so it'll
>take more effort than we're used to. But the incentive for
>effort is there. My wife's family moved from Southern
>Minnesota up to near Grand Marais, and we're thinking that
>going to the Twin Cities in the summer and telling them to
>come the last step and meeting us down there is way better
>than trying to brave the December weather and getting all the
>way up north for Christmas.

right? i think i speak for the rest of the OKTwins contingent in saying we're dying to put a face with the weird conjurations we've put to you over the years.

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160. "I'll admit that was oddly phrased"
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We may have to see my wife's parents for Christmastime one way or the other. But we definitely have to see them at Christmas if we don't make a trip to Minnesota this summer. If we come up during the time of year when they're likely to be up for the trip to the Twin Cities rather than just holed up in their edge-of-the-world cabin*, then we may dodge a substantial bullet and avoid whatever arrangements need to be made to get to Grand Marais-ish in December.

It's a series of dependent variables that means coming to Minnesota this summer. And I'd like to put faces to the okayTwins contingent too. This is a weird little pretend community, and I rather like it.

*they live in an actual house and have neighbors in stuff, but I've never been there and assume anybody living north of Duluth is in some pioneer situation

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155. "Mackey tweet on Sano, projecting the bat against the glove"
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"Phil Mackey ‏ @PMac21
Some nuggets: If Miguel Sano keeps playing well and working on 3B defense he has good shot to move up to High-A Fort Myers this summer."

Soooooo, he apparently had a conversation with Terry Ryan and this was one of the takeaways. There's not a lot to hang your hat on, as no GM should ever come out and say "I can't see a scenario where this prospect wont advance with a good performance" but it's been kind of an assumption in the prospecting world that Sano is MWL-bound for all of 2012. He hit his eleventh homerun today and is up to .292/.408/.646. His nineteenth birthday was on Friday.

Anyhow, this is the sort of performance that got Oswaldo Arcia promoted last year but Arcia didn't have an infield position to learn. The bat is the important thing, as Sano's projects well enough to get excited even if he ends up a 1B or an OF. Furthermore, the league context matters less for defense than it does for hitting. In short, pitchers are different from level to level but groundballs kind of look the same. He can keep working on the same footwork and positioning issues in Ft. Myers as he does in Beloit presently.

But if we're only half-lucky, the same issue could come up in Ft. Myers. He could rake, but continue not really turning his physical tools into defensive soundness. And we'll have the same discussion with respect to A+ or AA. The point here is that this isn't uncommon, and you see it most often with bat first catchers. What do Paul Konerko and Carlos Delgado have in common? They were bad defensive catchers whose hard work translated into middle-of-the-order offensive firepower and convinced their teams to just say "fuck it, that bat needs to be in an MLB lineup." The Nats looked at Bryce Harper's bat and realized it would fit with the big club way sooner than adult pitchers would want to throw to him. Wil Myers got as far as AA as a catcher before the Royals decided to keep him safe and sound as an aggressively promoted RFer.

So, let's all root for this bat to keep up but know that a fast-promoted Sano may exclude a 3B Sano.

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158. "is outfield that easy a position to learn? "
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the bat speaks for itself, but for a team filled with contact pitchers and a park as pitcher friendly as target field is, i would assume we don't want him coming up and learning on the job.

granted, we have had DELMON!, willingham and an assortment of other questionable defenders out there in recent years, but i worry about not giving the kid the reps he needs to be a serviceable defender in one of the corner spots.

and most of this is personal anxiety because i CANNOT play outfield. it was something i was never forced to learn playing baseball growing up because i caught. a ground ball is easy ... a fly ball? not so much. there is an art to defending the outfield -- just ask torii -- and i don't want to worry about flyballs as much as i did with DELMON!

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159. "It's an easier position to be non-embarassing at"
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>the bat speaks for itself, but for a team filled with contact
>pitchers and a park as pitcher friendly as target field is, i
>would assume we don't want him coming up and learning on the
>job.

These kind of moves are generally made by AA ball. He's still a strong athlete and he has a bananas arm. The model there would be Cuddyer, a largely rangeless but still dangerous rightfielder. But yeah, in all honesty if he moves positions we're talking about firstbase.

>and most of this is personal anxiety because i CANNOT play
>outfield. it was something i was never forced to learn playing
>baseball growing up because i caught. a ground ball is easy
>... a fly ball? not so much. there is an art to defending the
>outfield -- just ask torii -- and i don't want to worry about
>flyballs as much as i did with DELMON!

I was just the opposite. Tracking down flyballs was fun and felt intuitive. The lateral movement required to get my feet set for a grounder? Impossible. It felt like trying to defend a quality point guard.

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161. "doesn't it seem stupid to waste that arm at first? "
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>These kind of moves are generally made by AA ball. He's still
>a strong athlete and he has a bananas arm. The model there
>would be Cuddyer, a largely rangeless but still dangerous
>rightfielder. But yeah, in all honesty if he moves positions
>we're talking about firstbase.

i know there are smarter* baseball people considering this than you or i, but he has been described as uber-athletic, so you assume you want that playing somewhere in the corner outfield positions. ESPECIALLY with that arm. no need to waste that flipping the ball to the pitcher or the occasional fan.

>I was just the opposite. Tracking down flyballs was fun and
>felt intuitive. The lateral movement required to get my feet
>set for a grounder? Impossible. It felt like trying to defend
>a quality point guard.

i played goalie in hockey growing up, so lateral movement seems very natural to me. looking back, i find it strange i was never asked to play in the outfield, but, then, i never played traveling baseball or high school, so, it was more, "where have you played? where would you like to play?" etc.

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162. "It does to me"
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>i know there are smarter* baseball people considering this
>than you or i, but he has been described as uber-athletic, so
>you assume you want that playing somewhere in the corner
>outfield positions. ESPECIALLY with that arm. no need to waste
>that flipping the ball to the pitcher or the occasional fan.

I agree entirely. I think this is why his size has frequently been understood as the limiting factor, rather than the idea that his bat could just develop faster than his glove. If the problem is that he looks more like Miguel Cabrera in two years than, I don't know, Miguel Cabrera in 2003, then his arm is the only thing he's got going for him in the outfield. Same as ex-catchers like Delgado and Konerko and ... Justin Morneau.

Still, those guys were all plodders as teenagers and Sano isn't. I'm with you. I'd like to see them take a crack at RF before first.

>i played goalie in hockey growing up, so lateral movement
>seems very natural to me. looking back, i find it strange i
>was never asked to play in the outfield, but, then, i never
>played traveling baseball or high school, so, it was more,
>"where have you played? where would you like to play?" etc.

The goalie thing makes sense. I moved to the outfield from catcher because catching was dumb for a kid whose only above average trait was that I ran well.

>* -- we hope

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163. "Mackey and BA and Ryan make a Sano roundup!"
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My bet on the secret password for a Sano promotion is "strikeout rate". If he strings together 1-2 consecutive weeks of consistent contact without sacrificing walks or power, it's starting to sound like they'll bump him up.

1. From the BA hotsheet chat:

"T HAM (Walnut Creek, CA): Please rank these guys in terms of overall projectability: Xander Bogarts, Miguel Sano, Oscar Taveras, Eddie Rosario! Thanks and have a good weekend!!!

Matthew Eddy: Based on where they'll probably settle in the big leagues: Sano (as a third baseman), Taveras (right field), Bogaerts (third base) and Rosario (second base)."

"Josh Meyer (Fort Dodge, IA): How high of a ceiling does Miguel Sano have?

Matthew Eddy: Twins Low-A 3B Miguel Sano could be a first-division regular at the hot corner. He's got all-star potential, though he will have to address his strikeout rate (currently about 28% of plate appearances) at some point as he moves up the ladder. That will entail better pitch-recognition skills because we've seen what he can do with fastballs."

"Jason (Patterson): Now that Harper is in the bigs what prospect grade the highest on the 20-80 scale in terms of power?

Matthew Eddy: I'd go Miguel Sano here. Through 100 games in the past two seasons he's hit 30 homers (66 extra-base hits toal) and put up a crazy .345 isolated power."

2. Here's Mackey on Ryan on Sano:

"Sano, 19, entered Sunday's games hitting .292/.408/.646, and the 11 home runs are tops in the Midwest League, which raises the question; Will Sano be pushed up the ladder to High-A Fort Myers sometime in the near future?

"He'll have a chance," general manager Terry Ryan said Sunday. "I'm not sure he's quite ready, but when he's ready. ... I hope we do move him (up). I think all of us would like to see him move (up)."

In just over 150 plate appearances Sano has also drawn 22 walks while striking out 40 times, which would put him on pace to strike out nearly 150 times in a full minor league season.

Despite the high strikeout totals it appears Sano's bat is ready for the next level. But there are still some questions defensively, as illustrated in part by the 11 errors Sano has committed at third base.

Even so, Ryan described Sano as having good "agility, hands" and "a rifle for an arm."

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164. "2012 Twins draft, sexydangerwhiskey edition"
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Twins have picks 2, 32, 41, 63, 72, 97. They have more, obviously, but this seems like a good opportunity to use BA's just released "top 100 draft prospects" list. So here we go.

2. Luc Giolito, RHP, CA HS: Why bother trying to balance the tension between the need for pitching (Zimmer, Appel, Gausman) and the desire for upside (Buxton) when there is a huge upside pitcher right there? Sure he's injured right now and hasn't pitching a game since early March, but the recent rumor is that teams are getting comfortable with his medical reports. If the Twins can see him throw and everything looks fine, I say ding this guy:

"he has true No. 1 starter upside, with a premium fastball, a plus-plus curveball in the 82-86 range with depth and bite, and even a plus changeup at 82-84 that gives him a third swing-and-miss offering. Scouts are in love with his 6-foot-6 frame and easy delivery. He a tireless worker with a tenacious approach on the mound and a similar approach to his between-starts work. His injury may create a bit of risk, but the potential reward he offers is unparalleled in this draft."

32. Stryker Trahan, C, LA HS: Perfectly square catcher with future plus bat. Sure, it's a stupid name, but by the time this guy is a MLBer pretty much everybody's going to have a stupid name. I've seen Idiocracy.

"Trahan once told Baseball America he comes "from a long line of catchers," as both his parents played the position. One scout lauded his "Cajun makeup," referencing his toughness and genial demeanor, fitting for a player named after a character in a Burt Reynolds film. He could be a first-round pick for a team that believes he can catch, but the consensus is that he'll need to shift to an outfield corner. At 6-foot-1, 220 pounds, Trahan has an ideal build for catching and an athletic frame with strong hands and forearms that allow scouts to put good grades on his power."

41. J.O. Berrios, RHP - Puerto Rico HS: Twins are one of the few remaining teams that really puts in the time in Puerto Rico anymore. I've seen Berrios projected as a mid-firstrounder, but BA has him at #49 overall. Live arm and young for the draft.

"Berrios worked with a conditioning coach this fall and spring and added 20-25 pounds to his frame since the summer and now has a muscular, athletic X-foot-X, xxx-pound physique. The added muscle has allowed him to smooth things out and has boosted his fastball velocity. His fastball now sits in the 93-95 mph range and some scouts have seen him touch 98. He throws his fastball down in the zone, mixes in a sharp, 80-81 mph slider and shows the makings of a solid changeup with fading action."

63. Jake Barrett, RHP, ASU: Fast-moving bullpen arm or right-handed starter with power stuff. Apparently, nobody likes his delivery or his medical reports, but he's never been injured. No reason not to start him until he proves he can't do it.

"On talent alone, Barrett has first-round stuff. Pitchers in the Pacific-12 conference with fastballs that sit in the mid-90s and touch 98 to go along with above-average secondary stuff (a hard breaking ball and a splitter) don't typically last too long in the draft. Barrett also has prototypical physicality at 6-foot-3 and 230 pounds. But scouts have questions about his durability."

72. Onelkis Garcia, LHP, Cuba: He's a Cuban defector that, through a weird set of circumstances that I don't understand, is draft-eligible. It's a suboptimal outcome for a player that arrived here hoping to start a small bidding war, but he's 22 and should be ready to work and move fast.

"In January 2012, Garcia once again was declared draft-eligible. In the meantime, he tried to stay in shape, often working out at Pierce JC in Los Angeles, near where Gus Dominguez, the former agent who represents him, lives. Garcia pitched in the Puerto Rican League last winter as well with some success, and in Puerto Rico and in the spring adult league he plays in, he has shown two plus pitches. Garcia's fastball sits at 90-93 mph, and his curveball, while somewhat inconsistent, is a true power pitch at its best. Garcia hasn't shown much of a changeup. Garcia has a physical 6-foot-2, 220-pound frame that needs no projection. At 22, he could move through a minor league system quickly as long as he comes out of the gate throwing strikes."

97. Trey Williams, 3B, CA: Tools and bloodlines, man. It's still the Twins after all.

"His pitch recognition needs improvement, leading to inconsistent contact (especially against breaking balls) and causing scouts to wonder if he'll be able to unlock his big raw power. He does have plus righthanded power potential, thanks to his natural bat speed and quick-twitch athleticism. Williams will have to move from shortstop to third base in pro ball, but his hands and feet work well enough to give him a chance to be a solid defender with a slightly above-average arm at the hot corner. He has shown the ability to handle slow rollers and throw from various angles."

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165. "How long do you think it will take for him to see the majors?"
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>2. Luc Giolito, RHP, CA HS: Why bother trying to balance the
>tension between the need for pitching (Zimmer, Appel, Gausman)
>and the desire for upside (Buxton) when there is a huge upside
>pitcher right there? Sure he's injured right now and hasn't
>pitching a game since early March, but the recent rumor is
>that teams are getting comfortable with his medical reports.
>If the Twins can see him throw and everything looks fine, I
>say ding this guy:
>
>"he has true No. 1 starter upside, with a premium fastball, a
>plus-plus curveball in the 82-86 range with depth and bite,
>and even a plus changeup at 82-84 that gives him a third
>swing-and-miss offering. Scouts are in love with his 6-foot-6
>frame and easy delivery. He a tireless worker with a tenacious
>approach on the mound and a similar approach to his
>between-starts work. His injury may create a bit of risk, but
>the potential reward he offers is unparalleled in this
>draft."

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166. "If he signs, pitches this year, and stays healthy..."
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He's actually young for the draft, as he wont turn 18 until July. But if (and it's a big "if") the earlier signing deadline for this draft works and he gets some time on a professional mound in 2012, then I think he could debut in 2015. I think the Orioles pick last year, Dylan Bundy is going to have a lot of teams re-thinking how polished a HS talent can be, and Giolito's mix of a grownup frame and three well-developed pitches means he could move aggressively than most HS pitchers.

But that timeline almost as big of a downside as his health to me, even if it's fast. It's the frustrating part of watching a really shitty team with the same core that won 95 games just two years ago. Mauer isn't even 30 yet. Morneau shouldn't be cooked. So on and so forth.

My second try of this is going to feature more "safe" talent. Appel or Gausman or Zimmer might not profile as true aces right yet, but since bad Liriano showed up in 2012 we don't even have a true #2. All of those guys could easily become one of those, and could conceivably debut by next summer. The Twins have moved NCAA pitchers that fast before.

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167. "RE: If he signs, pitches this year, and stays healthy..."
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>He's actually young for the draft, as he wont turn 18 until
>July. But if (and it's a big "if") the earlier signing
>deadline for this draft works and he gets some time on a
>professional mound in 2012, then I think he could debut in
>2015. I think the Orioles pick last year, Dylan Bundy is
>going to have a lot of teams re-thinking how polished a HS
>talent can be, and Giolito's mix of a grownup frame and three
>well-developed pitches means he could move aggressively than
>most HS pitchers.
>
>But that timeline almost as big of a downside as his health to
>me, even if it's fast. It's the frustrating part of watching
>a really shitty team with the same core that won 95 games just
>two years ago. Mauer isn't even 30 yet. Morneau shouldn't be
>cooked. So on and so forth.

Ugh.

>My second try of this is going to feature more "safe" talent.
>Appel or Gausman or Zimmer might not profile as true aces
>right yet, but since bad Liriano showed up in 2012 we don't
>even have a true #2. All of those guys could easily become
>one of those, and could conceivably debut by next summer. The
>Twins have moved NCAA pitchers that fast before.

Looking forward to this. I could see the Twins going for the safe pick, but we'll see. I need to educate myself more on the MLB draft, especially this year as it may be the high point of the season.

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170. "2012 Twins Draft, dontdraftforneedexceptthisonetime edition"
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>Twins have picks 2, 32, 41, 63, 72, 97. They have more,
>obviously, but this seems like a good opportunity to use BA's
>just released "top 100 draft prospects" list. So here we go.

What we need is obvious: pitching and lots of it. In his draft chat on BA yesterday, John Manuel came about as close to saying the Twins should draft pitching as I've seen a draft expert come. So, I picked two NCAA arms with the Twins first two picks. Appel has been known enough to be understood as un-sexy, but baseball's prophet of upside Keith Law called him a likely #2 in his last chat and that sounds pretty darn good to me. Pierce has a ton of stuff tempered with durability concerns, but he could move fast and it's worth the gamble. Mitch Brown is a cold-weather HS pitcher, but the Twins don't like getting beat in Minnesota, so I threw him in the sandwich round.

2. Mark Appel, RHP Stanford: Maybe not an ace, probably close enough for this team.

"Appel has the ingredients to be a frontline starter. He has a pro-ready body at 6-foot-5 and 215 pounds to go along with his mid-90s fastball that touches 98. He throws a hard slider that has the potential to be an out pitch and his changeup has improved. He is a solid athlete who played basketball in high school and is delivery is relatively clean. The knock on Appel is that he hasn't dominated like most highly-ranked pitchers have in the past. Hitters frequently square him up because, even with his arsenal, he's easy to see with his slow delivery, long arm action in the back, and a fastball that doesn't have a lot of movement."

32. Pierce Johnson, RHP Missouri State: Big stuff, health concerns. Like another try at Stilson.

"The 6-foot-3, 180-pounder misses bats with a lively 92-93 mph fastball that reaches 96 mph and a hard three-quarters breaking ball. He'll mix in an 86-87 mph cutter a few times per game and has improved his feel for his changeup. While scouts have no quibbles with Johnson's stuff, they do have some concerns, most notably his health. He missed two starts this spring with a forearm strain, an issue that also cropped up in high school and during the fall of his freshman year. He wasn't as sharp in his first three starts after his layoff, which could drop him from the first round to the supplemental first."

41. Mitch Brown, RHP Rochester, MN: "son of a Korean powerlifter" is just an awesome phrase to find in a scouting report.

"Brown could make history as the first Minnesota prep pitcher ever drafted before the second round. He looked like a first-rounder in his opening start of 2012, when he didn't throw a fastball under 90 mph and threw several at 94. He backed it up with an 87-88 mph cutter/slider and a curveball that both projected as plus pitches, and showed aptitude for a changeup that could become an average offering. Brown hasn't quite lived up to that standard in his subsequent outings, but he continues to display advanced feel for his four-pitch repertoire. Scouts gush about his focus and discipline as well. The son of a Korean powerlifter, he has a strong 6-foot-2, 210-pound build. There's some crossfire to his delivery, but it adds deception rather than detracts from his command."

63. Alex Wood, LHP Georgia: Lefty. Mid-90s. I'll take the weird/bad here with that good.

"Scouts can't recall a delivery quite like Wood's. When he lands on his right (lead) leg, he hops backward. It's odd to watch and will be difficult for pro pitching coaches to avoid changing. Still, he does a lot of good things, starting with his fastball. He has excellent velocity for a lefthander, touching 95-96 mph regularly and sitting in the 89-94 range. He throws a lot of strikes with his heater, showing the ability to locate it to both sides of the plate. When he's filling up the zone with his fastball, he's able to set up his changeup, his favorite pitch and a solid-average offering. His slider is a below-average pitch, and he has never shown much of a feel for spinning a breaking ball."

72. Edwin Diaz, Puerto Rico RHP: Or, we could just be happy that he throws 97mph in spite of being 163 lbs.

"Standing 6-foot-3 and 163 pounds, Diaz is the definition of skinny, and scouts aren't sure how much weight he'll add because of his narrow frame. Diaz's body has pros and cons. His long arms allow him to whip the ball with surprising velocity. He sits in the 92-95 mph range and touched 97 twice in his first outing at Puerto Rico's annual Excellence Tournament in early May. But, like many tall, gangly pitchers, he has trouble coordinating his limbs, which leads to spotty control and an inconsistent curveball."

97. Pat Light, RHP Monmouth: Try, try again.

"He has added weight to his projectable frame and is now listed at a physical 6-foot-6, 200 pounds. He has dominated his competition this season and was 7-3, 2.81 with 87 strikeouts in 86 innings. He throws a ton of strikes with a fastball that ranges from 90-96 mph and has walked 12 batters on the season. Both his slider and changeup need work but flash promise. If his secondary stuff progresses, he has the frame, arm strength and command to be a starter, but he could feature a plus-plus fastball in a late-inning relief role."

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171. "2012 Twins draft, bestplayeravailable edition"
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Keep it simple. We'll go with BA's rankings at each slot as a stand-in for "best available". Unless it's somebody I already named, in which case I went with one slot above that. This ends up with an odd mix of typical Twins (one guy described as a "grinder") and atypical Twins like Eflin.

2. Mike Zunino, C, Florida: My "needs" draft ignored any positional needs because of the dire pitching situation. But catching in the system isn't great either. Zunino could move *fast* through the system and profiles as a kind of 5th or 6th hitter where you can hide the likely low BA but still exploit what seems like big right-handed pop.

"Zunino doesn't wow scouts with tools but beats opponents steadily with his strength, solid catching ability and professional approach. Zunino's bat projects to be above-average for a major league catcher. He has excellent strength in his 6-foot-2, 220-pound frame and has a short swing when he's locked in. Scouts generally give him 50-55 grades for his bat and 55-60 grades for his power on the 20-80 scouting scale. He has had some issues with breaking balls down and away this season, fairly typical for righthanded sluggers."

32. Zach Eflin, RHP, FL HS: High schoolers with plus changeups are fascinating. Paired with a mid-90s fastball and I'm in.

"The Central Florida recruit had added velocity over the course of the 2011 showcase circuit and was maintaining that velocity this spring, sitting in the 90-94 mph range and touching 96-97 at times. Eflin complements his fastball with one of the best changeups in the prep ranks and an inconsistent, slurvy curveball that nonetheless has decent shape and flashed average. Eflin missed the month of April due to triceps tendinitis, and an MRI on his elbow came back negative. Eflin returned to pitch three innings in his team's playoff finale and touched 94 while flashing a solid breaking ball."

41. Barrett Barnes, of Texas Tech: Huh. A college outfielder. Sounds like kind of a tweener, but this team should start considering Target Field in its draft/development and take some chances on right-handed power.

"Barnes' plus righthanded power and the possibility that he could stick in center field make him attractive. He packs a lot of strength into his 6-foot-1, 219-pound frame and offers a lot of bat speed. He's willing to take walks when pitchers don't challenge him, though he may not hit for a high average because his swing can get rotational and he's a dead-pull hitter. Barnes has plus straight-line speed (6.6-6.7 seconds in the 60-yard dash) but it doesn't always play that way. He does have 50 steals in 56 career attempts. If Barnes has to move to corner—likely left field because he has a below-average arm—he has enough power to profile there.

63. Stephen Johnson, RHP St. Edwards: Future reliever? "Torn elbow but eschewed surgery"? Where do we sign up?

"Johnson's fastball sat at 94-96 mph last summer and has been even better this spring, hitting 98 mph and topping out at 101 mph. He has been much more dominant coming out of the bullpen, leading D-II with 16 regular-season saves while striking out 63 in 36 innings and limiting opponents to a .131 average and two extra-base hits. The 6-foot-4, 205-pounder pitches mostly off his fastball, which features some run and sink, and his hard slurve parks at 81-85 mph when it's on."

72. Alec Rash, RHP IA HS: Cool name. The Twins picked another giant Iowan a few years back with BJ Hermsen, projecting enormity into fastball velocity. That didn't happen, though Hermsen has turned himself into the tallest official member of the Brad Radke clone army and pitched rather well. That really doesn't have anything to do with Mr. Rash, but it seemed worth mentioning.

"Long and lean at 6-foot-5 and 195 pounds, Rash throws a 91-93 mph fastball that hits 95 and features heavy life, and he'll push his hard slider up to 83 mph. He is a quality athlete who also starred in football and basketball, but he is still learning to repeat his delivery. His arm is so fast that it gets ahead of the rest of his body, resulting in scattershot control. Scouts grade his present command as a 30 or 40 on the 20-80 scale, and his development will require patience."

97. Tony Renda, 2B UC: "He's undersized at 5-foot-8 and 173 pounds, but scouts love his ability to hit and his grinder mentality. He swings hard and shows above-average bat speed, but stays in control of the bat head and shows a compact, line drive stroke. He has a good approach at the plate and projects to hit for solid average with power to the gaps. The knock on Renda concerns his defense at second base. He's not flashy and has just modest range, though he makes the plays he's supposed to make and can turn the double play. Renda was a 42nd-round pick out of high school by the Dodgers and figures to go about 40 rounds higher now."

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172. "2012 Twins draft, thatsfuckingtypical edition"
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Following the baseball draft is hard work. Lots of obscure talents popping up early in the draft even when you follow it closely, and a bunch of names that wont matter on the big league level for several years at the earliest. I've found that the best way to follow the draft is as a fan of a particular team. Knowing the draft is too imposing an intellectual endeavor for too little reward, so we reduce our circle and we know the draft through the lens of the Twins.

That's actually pretty easy. The book on the Twins is about as straightforward as any team in baseball: they love polished college pitchers and they love athletic, tooled up high school position players. For the former, words like "command" and "pitchability" are huge. For the latter, "fast-twitch" and "projectible" are key.

Last year featured some deviation, with a HS power pitcher (Hudson Boyd) and an NCAA position player (Levi Michael) going in the team's first three picks. They also deviated *big* with high school pitching in 2004 or so, with little reward. That experience probably makes the Twins more likely to break character by choosing college positional talent, but in spite of being predictable insofar as these types, the Twins also have a reputation of being pretty unpredictable with respect to exact personnel. Knowing the Twins are going to take a toolsy HS outfielder has rarely resulted in experts correctly guesing which toolsy outfielder the Twins were in on, even in the early rounds (Hicks, Benson, Revere).

2. Kyle Zimmer, RHP, USF: Picking high means the Twins need to think bigger than the Brad Radke clone army, but this is a values-based organization and the key phrase for Zimmer is "pound the strikezone" even if he does it with 5-7 extra mph on his fastball than his future rotation-mates. If Byron Buxton doesn't get popped at number one, he'd also be a classic Twins pick.

"The 6-foot-4, 220-pound Zimmer is extremely athletic. Zimmer's fastball typically sits in the 94-96 mph range and gets as high as 99 and his hammer curveball is just as good. His changeup shows flashes, giving him the chance for three future plus pitches and he'll mix in an occasional slider that could be an average offering. Zimmer pounds the strike zone and throws all four pitches for strikes. He has a business-like approach on the mound and pitches with a bit of a mean streak, which scouts love."

32. Addison Russell, SS, FL HS: High school. Tools. We're getting a nice little cupboard of middle infielders, so why not add to it.

"Some scouts still think he will have to move to third, but most consider him a shortstop with soft hands, improved footwork and an above-average arm. Russell has bat speed and raw power, hindered by inconsistent swing mechanics. He's a tinkerer with his set-up and stance, and his swing can get long and loopy, leading to seven homers this spring but also a fairly modest .368 average. At other times, though, Russell will get locked in, wait on good breaking balls and make consistent, hard contact."

41. Clint Coulter, C WA HS: This guy sounds like a lot of fun.

"To put it simply, Coulter is a beast. Runners will not want to encounter him at the plate, as the former state wrestling champion has a chiseled 6-foot-3, 200-pound frame. The size helps him in the batter's box. He's strong with leverage in his swing, above-average power and good pitch recognition. Like most catchers, Coulter has below-average speed, but he runs the bases well and shows good aggression and instincts. His size also limits him some defensively and he'll have to work hard to remain at the position as a pro."

63. Matt Koch, RHP, Louisville: Madison Boer part two. Fine with me.

"He has pitched at 92-96 mph this spring, though scouts have had a difficult time seeing him because he shares closing duties with Derek Self. Koch has been inconsistent with his secondary pitches, the main reason that opponents have hit a surprising .319 against him this year. He'll flash a plus changeup and a low-80s slider with depth, and some scouts think it's still worth trying to develop him as a starter. Koch is built for durability at 6-foot-3 and 204 pounds, leading to more credence for that belief. "

72. Jesmuel Valentin, 2B PR HS: Twins like players with MLB bloodlines and they still scout Puerto Rico harder than most teams.

"Valentin is a steady defender with a strong arm and is a solid-average runner with good instincts on the bases. His tools play up because of his hard-nosed approach and instincts for the game. At the plate, he has a line-drive approach, and his strong forearms allow him to spray the ball from gap to gap with authority. Valentin projects more as a doubles hitter than a slugger, but he does have the strength and bat speed to hit the ball out of the park. A natural righthanded hitter, he has been switch-hitting for about a year and half and is still working to feel comfortable as a lefty."

97. Nick Williams, TX HS OF: He had some buzz as a first-rounder and then lost it by playing poorly. Worth a shot.

"The 6-foot-3, 195-pounder still has first-round tools but rarely demonstrates the aptitude to use them. A lefthanded hitter, he has impressive bat speed and raw strength, but he doesn't use his hands well and is too spread out at the plate. He swings and misses too much and gets fooled by good breaking balls. He has been clocked in 6.5 seconds in the 60-yard dash, yet he has posted below-average running times from home to first this spring. Williams lacks instincts in all phases of the game, taking such poor routes in center field that he may have to move to a corner. With his fringy arm strength, his final destination could be left field. "

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175. "Apparently, Law, Mayo, and BA all have the Twins taking Buxton"
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There's a speech that I don't have the energy for about how "toolsy outfielder" is a type and, though the Twins are stocked in that type, a potential 1.1 pick is somebody that you take because you think they're unique and not a type. To be clear, if the Twins take Buxton it wont be because they want to add to the pile of Aaron Hicks and Ben Revere and Oswaldo Arcia and Angel Morales and Joe Benson. It's because they don't want to spend the next two decades kicking themselves for not picking a Hall of Famer.

The difficulty there is that he's seventeen, so even though his skillset (plus tools all the way across the board with big present numbers on his arm and speed) may make him the most likely Hall of Famer in the 2012 draft, his age and proximity from the majors makes a career in accounting or teaching biology way more likely. That's baseball.

I don't know if this is behind BA's pay wall or not, but here's an article about Buxton:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2012/2613381.html

And here's the scouting report where they named him the #1 prospect in the draft. There was video of batting practice he took posted a few months ago, and I get the power projection. I'm no swing expert, but there was what seemed like a rare mix of long levers but with a nice, short efficient swing. Simple and strong.

"1. Byron Buxton, of
Appling County HS, Baxley, Ga.

Buxton emerged last summer and fall as the top position player in the 2012 draft class, first with his premium, athletic body and blazing speed, then with his emerging power potential and intriguing bat. Buxton has a chance to be a true five-tool player if his bat develops as hoped. The 6-foot-2, 170-pounder has a high-waisted frame that oozes projection. He hasn't hit for big power this spring, with just two home runs, though he flashes plus raw power in batting practice and was runner-up (to Lewis Brinson) in last year's home run derby prior to the Under Armour All-America Game at Wrigley Field. Buxton's speed plays more presently, as he steals bases easily and covers acres of ground in center field. Some scouts have given him top-of-the-scale grades for both his speed (others call it well above-average) and at times for his throwing arm. He's shown a low-maintenance swing with a good path and premium bat speed that should allow him to hit for both average and power. Buxton will have to adjust to quality pitching, especially breaking balls. But as an amateur, he's shown the ability to sit back on offspeed pitches and hit them with authority the other way. Comparisons for Buxton range from Matt Kemp to a hybrid of brothers B.J. and Justin. Like Justin Upton, he ranks as the top talent in his draft class."

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168. "What an ugly ass start to this game we had"
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Each team gave up six runs in the first three innings and Detroit had 4 errors in that span.

But I'll take a W on the road against Detroit.

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169. "Doumit hurt himself celebrating a strikeout?"
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Winning ugly gets uglier. Revere up. Doumit to DL.

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173. "A series win"
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That's two series wins on the season, if my math is right. Funny that it's the teams with the two biggest FA acquisitions.

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174. "I like "Pitchers and Poets""
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I didn't really have a good answer for why the sports websites for smart people have left me kind of cold, except for knowing it had something to do with baseball, until I had an argument with my mom the other day about the recent decision by Rome in "Doctrinal Assessment of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious." In spite of being billed as a crackdown* on nuns, it's really not as serious or, strictly speaking, directed against nuns. Anyhow, she thinks that it's going to end women's vocations and western civilization will crumble and so on and so forth. I'm not really sure what the argument is, but lots of people that make more sense than my mom are angry as hell about this so if you want to google it and impute their arguments into her diatribe that would probably be a charitable outcome for at least one of us.

Anyhow, this resulted in one of those "why I am a Catholic" moments that I usually try to avoid with my mother. She's pretty much the reason why I am a Catholic but hates all the current reasons that I give since she grew up in the 60's and my post-adolescent rebellion turned out to be running smug religious conservatism through political apathy. Pissing off your parents in my house means telling them that you'd probably vote for some kind of ruthlessly confiscatory pirate monarchy if that were a thing which could be elected and then heading to Mass at a church with the Tridentine rite. But this conversation was actually more focused than walleye-at-nineteen, so I told her that the thing that feels warm and cozy about the church is the sense of being crushed by history. My own irrelevance has always been a pretty alluring concept for me, and the idea that I'm doing exactly what a billion other Catholic assholes have done for two thousand years and will continue to do for millenia after I'm dead is pretty terrific.

A desire for continuous sameness isn't the same thing as hating particularity, and I think there's a charming congruence with the fact that the world is peculiar and inconvenient but behaves this way with perfect predictability. Joyce, who hated the Catholic Church because he couldn't shake it, called it "Here Comes Everybody" and this eternal march of fallen weirdos is what makes me feel so warm and welcome. As such, I can't think of anything that would shake this dynamic like a church that valued my opinion about anything.

In our conversation, I called this feeling "being crushed by history" which was pretty shamelessly cribbed from authors like O'Connor and Greene who described a rich life of sinners crushed by grace. Because being called to a monastic life isn't the same thing as being called as a tax attorney or a zoo keeper, women religious will survive. If the Jesuits could be suppressed in Western Europe for thirty years at the end of the eighteenth century and then bounce back to establish basically every decent Catholic university in the United States then I think nuns will survive having to spend a few years revising the constitution of a leadership organization under the supervision of the former Archbishop of San Francisco and the current Archbishop of Seattle. It's not the Inquisition. She's worried that the Church will become a "laughingstock" which is pretty much already is amongst all the people whose opinions matter, but that hasn't particularly slowed the Here Comes Everybody, a body largely constituted of people who don't want their opinions to matter.

The point is that I feel the same way about baseball. I've got opinions about all kinds of stuff about baseball, but with the substantial exception of the Twins losing when I want them to win, I kind of enjoy it more when the steady march of peculiarity makes those opinions incorrect. So, while I rather like the quality of writing at sites like The Classical and Grantland, I'm not really sure their projects, which are dependent on well-considered and thoughtfully articulated viewpoints, really get baseball. The tension between a slogging 162 game schedule and a too-brief-for-planning playoff scheme means peculiarity isn't just part of the equation - it's all of it. PJ Walters' 87mph fastball and stupid fucking changeup is way more baseball than big issues and big questions and big answers, and that's what sports sites geared towards smart people kind of need to traffic in.

But I rather like pitchersandpoets.com, which kind of attacks this problem with a lot more "what's going to happen today?" than "permit me to explain what you just saw". The past month has featured a power rankings of different site's power rankings, three poems including one cobbled together from Jose Canseco tweets, two well-considered pieces about bunts and blocking the plate, and a really long piece about Rey Quinones. That's Here Comes Everybody.

All that said, I'm willing to listen to reasons I should like Grantland or The Classical more. They're clearly well-done, and maybe something a little more affirmative of a coherent understanding of the sports world# is something I should welcome. Rany Jazerli writes some stuff for Grantland, and his catastrophic Royals fandom has always made him a kind of appealing thinker to me. But at the moment, their enthusiasm for providing clarity to the big issues of sports in our day kind of misses the point for me. It might be a more tenable position in a discussion of sports with less romantic appreciation for eccentricity, but since baseball is the only sport that I really follow and I find its utter lack of clarity so appealing these two stops aren't quite clicking for me.

*a term which is trotted out in reference to Rome's activity in the world with frustrating reliability. I didn't go to journalism school, but I'm confident there are other words for when somebody tells somebody else to do something.

#or the actual world, since we're kind of on all the topics.

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176. "Morneau: .252/.320/.494"
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It only now occurs to me, now that we're seeing him hit productively but not well (at least not by his standards) how ridiculous it was for me to expect that if Morneau were healthy that he'd just step right in and rake. His 2010 is going to turn out to be the sort of season that we'll wonder about because of how marvelous it was while it was occurring and for the possibility that he was adding a new skill - a huge spiking walk rate to go with big pop and a line drive bat.

He's swinging like somebody trying to crack out of two years spent mostly on the DL, which nobody can really blame him for. Right now, that means too many strikeouts and too few walks, but we're getting some power - which was the original signifier for the real Justin Morneau, guy who broke the scoreboard at Miller Park. Maybe the other stuff, the walk rate and pretty good contact rate for a power hitter, will snap back once the big flies start happening more.

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177. "Four wins made me check the standings"
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I mean, the Twins are still terrible. But this division is pretty ugly all the way through right now.

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178. "Antony: Twins down to "two or three guys" for draft"
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Popular guesses at the moment are Buxton and Kyle Zimmer. Zimmer is my least favorite of the three top college options because guys who are so new to pitching (this is his second year) seem so volatile. But a short run-downs of his positives isn't unimpressive:

-Completely insane K/BB rate, something like 80:12
-Mid-90s fastball hitting 97mph
-Curveball might be the best breaking pitch of the NCAA options
-Maybe pitching experience means a fresher arm

There's been some recent chatter that the Twins aren't as scared off by Giolito's arm injury in the late winter. He's apparently throwing now, and Keith Law tweeted something the other day that indicates teams are getting pretty comfortable with his medical information. He's got the highest pitching upside in the draft, but not without risk and a nice, long timeline to go with it. Still, I'm pleased to think he might be one of the "two to three guys" if only because the pitching in the system means you can't go ruling out guys with Giolito's stuff.

It's worth noting that if any of you were impressed by the long-toss article that was posted in the last Week in MLB post about Trevor Bauer and Dylan Bundy, BA's capsule on Giolito quoted a scout that said Giolito's routine "makes Trevor Bauer's long toss look like kid stuff."

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179. "Puckett's Pond: What type of player should the Twins select"
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Click through to see the charts he alludes to. Good article, if limited in its potential usefulness. At the top of the draft, the Twins will be drafting somebody who (true or not) they believe is unique among a type. So, Buxton is a "HS outfielder" but that type is insufficient to explain his potential.

http://puckettspond.com/2012/05/15/what-type-of-player-should-the-twins-draft/

What Type Of Player Should The Twins Draft?
May 15th, 2012 at 6:08 am by Nate Gilmore

A couple weeks ago, the illustrious Twins blogger Seth Stohs delved into the success rates of college pitchers taken in the draft. Combine the awful state of Twins pitching and the fact that they hold the second overall pick this June, and many may say it’s obvious that the Twins should draft one of the many talented college arms out there, like Kyle Zimmer or Mark Appel. But Stohs found that drafting a college pitcher is by no means a guaranteed way to add a superstar to the team. Using data from 1985 through 2010, Stohs calculated just a 10% to end up with a 20+ WAR player.

The success rate seemed depressing, but it got me wondering: how do those number compare to other players, like college hitters, high school hitters, and high school pitchers? Selecting a college pitcher may be risky, but is it any riskier than taking a different type of player? To answer these questions, I conducted my own research, using data from Baseball Reference as a guide.

Methodology/Data
My data set consisted of all first round selections (not counting supplemental round picks) from 1995 through 2008. I chose 1995 as a starting point because that was the year after the big strike, and thus a sort of beginning point for modern baseball. I ended in 2008 because that is the last year in which most of the first round draft picks have appeared in the Major Leagues (the Twins’ Aaron Hicks notwithstanding). The data are current as of May 1, 2012, which was the day I compiled all of this information. Players who did not sign and later re-entered the draft (such as J.D. Drew and Aaron Crow) were only counted the second time they were drafted.

Results
Let’s start with the most basic measure of a succesful draft pick. We can’t have the same expectations for every player, but we can probably agree that a pick is a failure if the player never makes it to the Major Leagues. Here are the rates of success for each type of player drafted:

If you judge only by the percentage of players who reach the Big Leagues, it seems a college hitter is the way to go. The worst type of player to pick is a high school pitcher; those players have about even odds of never making it to the Show at all.

Another variable to consider is the amount of time it takes a player to make it to the Majors. A team like the Twins is in need of help ASAP. They will not want to wait four or five seasons for their top pick to help.

This chart shows that the largest number of college hitters and pitchers can expect to make it to the Majors in the second season after they are drafted (for example, a player drafted in 2006 might have debuted in 2008). If they don’t make it by year four, they are probably not going to make it at all. High school players are more variable. The largest number is in the Big Leagues by the fourth season after the draft, but some take six seasons or more to make it (think about Trevor Plouffe, who was drafted out of high school in 2004 and did not play in MLB at all before 2010). Thus, if you want a player to make a quick impact, a college hitter is again the best route to go. It makes sense that college players make it to the Majors about two years quicker than high school players, since college guys have essentially received two to three extra years of minor league experience at the expense of their schools.

But just making it to the Major Leagues is not enough. After all, Adam Johnson was the number two overall pick for the Twins back in 2000, and after he made it to MLB he contributed just 26 (awful) innings. How many of these draftees actually become succesful?

Again, college hitters lead the pack. If you want a player who is eventually going to become an All Star or a guy who will bring a lot of Wins Above Replacement over time, pick a college hitter. One in every five college hitters drafted in the first round gets selected to an All Star team at some point in his career. Interestingly, though, high school pitchers make up some ground here. They take a long time to get to the Majors, if they make it at all, but the ones that do have a good chance of becoming stars. If you draft a high school pitcher, there’s about a one in six chance he’ll be an All Star.
One more note on succesful players. I won’t include a table here, since the numbers are so low, but if you count players winning a Cy Young and/or MVP award, high school pitchers again take the prize. Roy Halladay, Zach Greinke, CC Sabathia, and Clayton Kershaw all won the Cy, compared to three college pitchers: Justin Verlander, Tim Lincecum, and Barry Zito. Two high school hitters have won an MVP (Joe Mauer and Josh Hamilton). Despite all the success that first round college hitters have had in every other aspect of this study, only one of them – Ryan Braun – has won an MVP.

Conclusion
Drafting a baseball player is like betting on a horse. Even if you do your research and make an intelligent choice, there is still a very good chance that you’ll end up with a loser. Most picks, even high ones, do not go on to grace the covers of sports magazines and video games.

That said, the safest pick in the first round is a college hitter. If you draft a college hitter in the first round, that player will almost certainly reach the Big Leagues, and he’ll probably do it relatively quickly. Once he does, there’s a good chance that he will become a strong contributor to the team. The next safest choice is a college pitcher, though the flame-out rate for these players is a lot higher than their offensively-gifted counterparts.

College players in general are much safer bets than high school players, probably because they’ve had two or three extra years of vetting. High school pitchers, who are still young and untested, are the worst overall. But if a team is willing to invest a lot of time (and money) to coach the right high school pitcher along, there is a small chance they might end up with a superstar.

Time would seem to be a luxury the Twins do not have. Back when they were drafting at the end of the first round, they might have done well to nab a few high school pitchers and turn them into projects. But now there is a sense of urgency as the team faces a second consecutive awful season. If Minnesota wants to avoid a 90′s style descent into irrelevance, they need to start rebuilding this team immediately. Given the fact that the current hitters and pitchers are both terrible, they probably cannot go wrong taking either one. But a college player would probably provide a more immediate boost to team morale and performance.

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180. "The moment he can pitch, Kyle Gibson might be our 5th best starter"
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Like, in the organization. And not because he's that good yet. He's supposed to start working off of a mound in June and could return to actual game action later that month. In the general sense that the team is shitty, there's no good reason for him to debut at all in 2012 much less before September. Except for the most specific sense in which this team is shitty - they're running out of starters. Pavano is Pavano, which is a fine backend guy on a decent team and a nice bit of stability on a bad one. Diamond has been pitching well and, being left-handed, probably should get a full look even when he's not pitching well. That's two. PJ Walters will get as much rope as he needs to be adequate, but once he looks less-than then he's out. Still, that's three starters.

Past that? Blackburn is on the DL. Marquis is absolutely terrible as most of us imagined he would be. Liriano is in the bullpen for what I assume is the health of his career, but since that career with the Twins has only a few months left in it then I'd rather like to see him try and establish some trade value as a starter. Duensing doesn't have the changeup to avoid getting beat up by righties. Swarzak can start, but he's more interesting in relief. Manship and Bromberg will likely start games for the Twins in the next couple years, but will likely never start a year (even one like 2012) identified as one of the five best rotation options.

So that leaves Gibson, which is going to be weird. If he hits the ground running in his return, it'll quickly be clear that there aren't five guys better than him in the Minnesota rotation. If there were, say, four guys better than him and they were all actually good, then the team would have a leg to stand on. But as it is? Maybe not.

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181. "STrib: Safe travels, Jason Marquis"
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He's just not getting anybody out. Too bad, as he seems like a classy guy. But something has to be done with the staff. The crazy thing is that there's not really a lot to be done. I'm cool with Liam Hendriks getting another try as he's returned to Rochester and proved that whatever it is he still needs to learn, AAA hitters aren't going to teach it to him. But this isn't 2006 when Liriano (and eventually Matt Garza are just cooling their heels needlessly). Somewhat relatedly, Kyle Gibson tweeted that he is throwing from 135 feet now and will be allowed to throw some sliders later this week. In the next week or so, he has a 15 pitch bullpen session planned.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/152385785.html

Jason Marquis to be designated for assignment
Posted by: La Velle E. Neal III Updated: May 21, 2012 - 7:47 PM 23 commentsprint

The Twins have decided to part ways with righthander Jason Marquis and will designate the veteran for assignment, according to a team source.

Marquis, signed as a free agent during the offseason for $3 million, was 2-4 with a 8.47 ERA in seven starts. In 34 innings, he gave up 52 hits and walked 14 batters.

The club will have 10 days to trade, release or, after he clears waivers, send him down to the minors. But all indications are that the Twins will release the 13-year veteran.

"I don't have any news today," Twins General Manager Terry Ryan said on Monday. "I might have something for you tomorrow."

The Twins are expected to announce on Tuesday who will replace Marquis in the rotation. Righthander Liam Hendriks, who was 0-2 with a 9.00 ERA in a stint with the club earlier this season, is a candidate. But righthander and former Gopher Cole DeVries has also emerged as a possibility. DeVries, 27, is 1-4 with a 4.24 ERA at Rochester but has walked just seven batters in 462/3 innings.

Whoever is called up is expected to start on Thursday against the White Sox in Chicago.

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182. "Get to know: Cole DeVries"
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If Livan Hernandez had his own clone army, Cole DeVries would be part of it. Take the Twins command/control fetish and subtract 3-4mph of fastball in the name of "deception" and you have DeVries.

If this were 2005, there'd be a stats/scouts debate embedded in this promotion, but as it is most people presently understand that even AAA rosters are shallow enough that not being able to match the stuff to DeVries' pretty good MiLB results means that eventually he's going to find people who can solve him. It's worth pointing out, though, that his MiLB results aren't unambiguously excellent even before you get to the iffy scouting reports. He's really easy to hit, giving up more than one per inning, and his walk rate is merely "really good" not the "insanely excellent" you'd like to see complement that.

He gets good strikeout numbers considering the lack of a dominating, or even average, fastball and he has periodically kept the ball in the park in spite of (if I recall correctly) being a flyball pitcher. I feel like his only plausible MLB future is as a sort of poor man's Justin Duchscherer swingman, but:

a)that's an extreme upside
b)it's also not even really a thing

Of course, we should root for DeVries. In addition to representing a laudable decision to not continue to start Jason Marquis, he's a local boy from Eden Prairie and drafted out of the U of M.

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183. "The worst team in baseball ISN'T the Twins"
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Isn't. The Cubs have played one more game and lost it. The Padres have the same record. Milestones!

They're also 6-4 in their last ten, with series wins over two 2011 playoff teams.

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184. "your optimism is your weakness"
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and, technically, it isn't optimism, but i couldn't help but call on some star wars, dark side arrogance in the face of such plucky exuberance.

"It's like you gotta step in here with a loaded gun to YOUR OWN HEAD to make sure the bullets don't fly." -- ansomble on OKHT

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185. "Also, my devastating handsomeness"
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It works against me more often than you'd expect.

On hope, though, I take the long view. This team will be good again sometime. The more good now, the faster that seems likely to occur.

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186. "Nine runs though"
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187. "Mauer, Morneau, Arsenio, Doumit OPS+: 127, 124, 172, 121"
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If Carroll can start to grind out some more singles like he's been doing after his beginning-of-2012 slump, he'll join Span as another high-OBA option at the top. That's... nearly a real lineup. Nearly a real lineup is nearly half of a good team. This team can hang nine runs on a decent pitcher like Floyd once and awhile.

The pitching is a different matter. Odds on Diamond and Walters' smoke and mirrors standing up is pretty low.

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188. "Too much: Matt Garrioch with 40 rounds of mock draft"
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This is dumb, but here are the players that Sickels' second banana thinks the Twins will take, listed until we exhausted the players I'd heard of:

Mike Zunino C Florida
Nolan Fontana SS Florida
Peter O'Brien C Miami
Alex Bregman C Albuquerque Academy
Christian Walker 1B South Carolina
Austin Maddox P Florida
Fernando Perez 3B Otay Ranch

So, you don't draft for need in the MLB draft. But does anybody here see the Twins not taking a single pitcher in their first five picks? Here are the oddities of Garrioch's group:

1. Apparently, we should change all of the low minors uniforms to blue and orange to match the THREE Gators he has us picking.

2. I kind of like Fontana choice, but Rochester, MN area pitcher Mitch Brown figures to go in that part of the sandwich round and I don't expect the Twins will feel comfortable getting beat locally unless somebody unexpected falls to them. No projection is safe this year, but Mitch Brown to the Twins at #32 is a solid bet.

3. Catching the system is scarce but damn, three of them?

4. This year's NCAA positional class has been deemed by some scouts "worst ever". The Twins don't typically draft a lot of NCAA position players. So Garrioch has the Twins picking FIVE NCAA position players in the early goings. That's not going to happen.

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189. "Captain Michael "Leader" Cuddyer, team leader"
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In Perrotto's "scouts views" section in BPro today:

"Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki: 'He looks dead-ass, like all the losing the last couple of years has worn him down. It's just not him, though. The whole team looks dead-ass, like they've already given up on the season and we're not even through May yet.'

So, I like Michael Cuddyer. And I like Joe Nathan. Shit, I even kind of like A.J. Pierzynski. Just like I've liked pretty much every other player to depart Minnesota through free agency or trade the past with the exception of Kyle Lohse and J.C. Romero. But I don't like the figures of those first two players constructed by the more brain-dead members of our local media last year, which is that they were the solid professionals holding the previous teams together through equal strength of performance and personality.

Nathan was terrible pretty much through August last year. Cuddyer was a fine corner outfielder and provided right-handed power the team desperately needed, but he wasn't much of a defender and his versatility said more about the team's lack of infield options than his own ability. And it's not like I don't think ideas like chemistry and leadership don't exist, but when we learn about it from local media they have a kind of tautological quality wherein the players who are most willing to talk about those traits with the writers (white veterans who have successfully cast themselves as over-achievers relative to their physical abilities) become good leaders regardless of outcome. When the team wins, it is because Nathan and Cuddyer have led them. When the team loses, it is because the carefree youths have tuned out Nathan and Cuddyer.

This is obviously bullshit. Mauer and Morneau don't seem to be as skilled at rah-rah'ng the lesser troops, but I can't possibly believe that young guys like Brian Dozier aren't motivated by seeing two former MVPs who *clearly* work their asses off every day just because they didn't get T-shirts printed up during spring training like Cuddyer did.

And we're seeing the value of Cuddyer's leadership now that this quality has been specifically imported to an underachieving Colorado team: not as important as his offense.

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191. "Morneau's was the longest - that should be worth extra"
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All the way to the garage on 55th and Washtenaw where Ryan and Sean Manahan were drinking Miller Lites with their cousins and yelling something about a cornhole tournament.

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192. "Mackey: Our prospects are sucking"
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A lot of these guys started protracted slumps almost as soon as I talked about them last, so I'm not going to disagree. But it's a long season and all of these players are growing in small ways that might not be the big league forward that we want, but which are meaningful. Sano is walking more and retaining his monster power. Rosario's ... actually, he's been fine almost all the way around unless we somehow expected him to be a good defender at 2B immediately. Hicks has hit for power from the left side and is finally using his speed on the bases.

You'll note that none of these people are pitchers. Relatedly, Keith Law is hearing that it's Buxton or Zimmer in the draft on June 4th.

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Mackey_Sano_showing_promise_but_some_Twins_prospects_are_scuffling052412

Mackey: Sano showing promise but some Twins prospects are scuffling

The Minnesota Twins' top-10 prospects list -- as chosen by Baseball America prior to spring training -- is a mixed bag these days.

No. 8 is working his way back from Tommy John surgery while No. 1 leads the Midwest League in home runs and RBIs. No. 2 was recently demoted from Triple-A to Double-A to team up with No. 4, who still hasn't come close to reaching his potential.

Meanwhile, No. 3 and No. 5 are faring pretty well while No. 6 struggles mightily. No. 9 and No. 7 are once again pounding on the door of the big leagues where No. 10 currently resides.

1. 3B Miguel Sano
2. OF Joe Benson
3. 2B/OF Eddie Rosario
4. OF Aaron Hicks
5. OF Oswaldo Arcia
6. SS/2B Levi Michael
7. SP Liam Hendriks
8. SP Kyle Gibson
9. 1B Chris Parmelee
10. SS Brian Dozier

Paul Molitor, who works as a roaming instructor and advisor, spent last week in Rochester working with the Triple-A Red Wings. This week he is in Fort Myers keeping an eye on the High-A Miracle.

He joined us on "Reusse & Mackey" Thursday to talk about the farm system -- mostly the negatives, to be honest.

Bad news first

"I think it's concerning to some degree," Molitor said when asked about the less-than-ideal early-season performances by some of the Twins' top prospects, specifically Hicks, Benson and Michael.

"We've got these guys that you hear about, that you project, and we'd like to hear better reports. We'd like to see better things, but that's not always the case."

• Hicks, 22, entered Thursday hitting .245/.326/.403 with five home runs, 42 strikeouts and 21 walks in 184 plate appearances for Double-A New Britain. He has stolen 13 bases while being caught only three times, but if the season ended today it would mark the second consecutive year in which Hicks' batting average was below .250, and the second consecutive year that his on-base percentage plummeted.

The word is Hicks has untapped power, but to date he has only 26 home runs in 1,731 plate appearances (one home run per 67 trips).

"Hicks has just not been a guy who's been able to figure it out day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month," Molitor said. "We continue to see flashes of why we think he's going to be a quality major league player, but the inconsistencies in his game continue to kind of be something that's a little bit of a red flag. But he's still young. ...

"We're kind of hoping he starts giving us some reason to think he'll surface up here in the Twin Cities soon. But he's not there obviously."

• The Twins elected to start the 21-year-old Michael off at High-A Fort Myers in his first full season of professional ball, and the transition has been slow. In 175 plate appearances he is hitting just .209/.312/.270 with five extra-base hits.

Michael has "handled himself well defensively," Molitor said, "but the game's a little fast (in Fort Myers) as far as him making an adjustment."

Molitor said Michael's early-season struggles shouldn't be a huge concern.

"For one, having some injury problems last year, he really hadn't played much baseball since about last June. And there was some talk in spring training about him starting off in Beloit maybe to have a chance to sort of settle in to a professional baseball routine. But the way the rosters shaped up we thought he fit down (in Fort Myers) and realize he might take a while to adjust offensively."

• Benson, 24, began the season as Baseball America's 99th-best prospect, but he was quickly demoted to Double-A New Britain after a horrible start with Rochester -- an unfortunate situation for Benson, who likely would have been recalled to the big leagues fairly quickly had he broken out of the gate with a solid April.

Now Benson will be out for six weeks following hamate bone surgery.

"A disappointment that he's still having trouble emotionally with the game," Molitor said. "I think physically he's still one of the best guys we have."

• Gibson, 24, is out after undergoing Tommy John surgery, but he is scheduled to throw off a mound in two weeks. Best-case scenario has Gibson pitching in a game at some point in August.

The good news

• A 2-for-33 slump over the past 10 games has dropped Sano's batting average to .245 for low-A Beloit, but he still reaches base more than 35% of the time and his 11 home runs and 35 RBIs are tops in the Midwest League.

Despite the recent hiccup, Sano's season has been a success so far, and the same can be said for his Beloit teammate Rosario, who came into Thursday hitting .278/.364/.432 with three home runs, 14 doubles and more walks (22) than strikeouts (21) in 184 plate appearances. Rosario added a fourth home run on Thursday afternoon.

The fact that most of Rosario's at-bats have come as a second baseman make his numbers even more impressive, although his nine errors suggest there are some growing pains in the transition from outfield.

• Dozier's batting line dropped to .260/.273/.384 after going 1-for-5 with two RBIs on Thursday, but it's hard to argue he doesn't belong in the big leagues.

• Arcia, 21, entered Thursday hitting .287/.335/.460 with three home runs and 11 doubles in 165 plate appearances, but he has also struck out 40 times. Molitor said Arcia is having difficulty hitting -- and laying off -- breaking balls, which was also his main problem during spring training. Still, Arcia's performance at age 21 should be considered a huge positive.

• Despite being demoted from the big leagues to Triple-A Rochester earlier this year, Parmelee and Hendriks should also be considered bright spots.

Hendriks, 23, was passed up for another major league promotion this week in favor of Cole De Vries. He responded by pitching seven fantastic innings on Thursday night, allowing only one earned run on five hits and two walks while striking out nine. Hendriks has allowed only five earned runs in 25 2/3 innings since being sent down, and his phone is likely the next one to ring when the Twins need another starter.

Parmelee, 24, is hitting .333/.481/.524 with a homer in 27 trips with the Red Wings. He'll be up sooner than later too.

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193. "New BA mock/Boras breaking bread with Ryan"
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Here is the relevant section:

"1. ASTROS. Houston is doing its due diligence on all of the top talents, but it's believed this decision will come down to Buxton and Appel, with the latter the favorite because he'll deliver a more immediate return. Though Appel doesn't always dominate as much as scouts think he should, he has been very good down the stretch.
Projected Pick: MARK APPEL.

2. TWINS. As much as Minnesota needs pitching, it isn't expected to pass up the opportunity to take Buxton, who has the best all-around package of tools in the draft. If the Astros take Buxton, the Twins might take Zimmer over Appel or go with Zunino and move Joe Mauer to another position.
Projected Pick: BYRON BUXTON."

Added to this is the fact that Scott Boras was seen taking in a game at Target Field from Terry Ryan's suite. Ignore, briefly, that he may have just been an honored guest to watch his most recent huge contract client, Prince Fielder, and assume this has something to do with the Twins.

To my knowledge, the Twins don't have any present Boras clients on their roster. Because the role of "advisor" is sort of a shadowy one, it's still hard to nail down the "why" with respect to draft candidates, but I believe Boras is advising Mark Appel, Deven Marrero, and Luc Giolito. Marrero's now slipped enough that he's a reach at #2 unless the Twins want a bargain, and since Boras clients don't give bargains.... BA's info says that the Twins prefer Buxton and Zimmer to Appel, and if the Twins will have the liberty of drafting a non-Boras client one way or the other, then we're at an impasse.

I'm still hopeful they're giving Giolito the long look his talent deserves. That would explain Boras' presence. The other possibility is that one of their non-first picks requires Boras. Maybe Mitch Brown?

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194. "Get to know: Your Twins scouting department"
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Bunch of draft articles in the STrib recently, including capsules on four guys likely to get popped in the top five, Appel, Gausman, Buxton, Zunino, and Zimmer. Not a lot of Twins heat on Appel and Zunino, but maybe that's just them staying under the radar. The Twins have always had a reputation of being tough to call even when you know their strong tendencies, so don't be surprised to hear Appel or Zunino called on the fourth.

1. http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/155205335.html

This one is on the Twins present system needs through the perspective of new(ish) scouting head Deron Johnson's tenure. I like Deron Johnson a lot, and I think that judging a guy who started the job in 2008 based on current MLBers when the team has routinely drafted below pick 20 is kind of stupid. But judging him on the system's pitching and the health record of the few actual pitching prospects is totally fair. Wimmers and Gibson *both* having UCL problems (no TJ yet for Wimmers) within two years of singing pro contracts is a big deal.

2. http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/155209245.html

This is about Johnson's past. He's a former bad player turned dogged scout. The Twins like those. His familiarity with California is an unmitigated good, since that's where talent comes from. He's also in a high enough position at the right age whereby you can imagine him becoming the Twins' GM someday. Rob Antony is another similar candidate, but after the Smith tenure I think the scouting guy probably has the lead over the administrative guy.

3. Here is a write-up on Puerto Rican shortstop prospect Carlos Correa, who has been flying up draft boards in the last few weeks and was recently worked out by the Twins. He's a sleeper for this pick. His upside could lessen the blow of Sano having to move to first or RF. And if he stays at shortstop and Sano at third? Even better.

"With the record now at 17th overall, Correa should become the highest-drafted player ever to come from Puerto Rico. He already has a big league body at 6-foot-3 and 185 pounds, yet he's light on his feet and shows fluid actions with a cannon for an arm. For those reasons, the team that drafts him will allow him to stay at shortstop. While he may get a little bigger, his tools would also allow him to be a premium defender at third base. Correa has garnered comparisons to both Troy Tulowitzki and Ryan Zimmerman. At the plate, Correa shows excellent balance and rhythm, as well as patience, to go along with exciting bat speed and natural loft. His swing can get a little long at times, leaving him exposed to quality fastballs inside, but he's learning how to make adjustments and projects to hit for average and power. Correa is a plus runner now, but he could lose a step or two as he fills out. He is one of the youngest players in the draft class and shows excellent work ethic, dedication and maturity. Correa is committed to Miami, but it would be a shock if he winds up on campus."

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196. "BPro's top 30 draft prospects"
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A snippet for the guys we've talked about. Not a mock draft. Just a prospect ranking for amateur players.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=17173

1. Carlos Correa, SS, Puerto Rico Baseball Academy (PR)
Who he is: A big athletic shortstop with remarkable presence at the plate, quick hands, outstanding bat control and the potential for plus power. He's a plus runner who is graceful in the field and has one of the best infielder arms in the draft. The only concern is with his size, as he’s already 6-foot-3 and approaching 200 pounds, but he has more than enough ability to be a star at third base as well, and one scout believes he'd actually get to the big leagues quicker at that position. It's important to note that he is only 17, and multiple teams have cited Rany Jazayerli's draft/age study as entering into their evaluations this year.
Draft skinny: Correa has been inching his way up draft boards all spring, and while it's unlikely he'll go number one, he's at least in Houston's mix. Once seen as a prime target for the Cubs at No. 6 overall, now many teams don't think he'll last that long.

2. Lucas Giolito, RHP, Harvard-Westlake HS (CA)
Who he is: Among the best high school righties in recent memory, as he has everything scouts look for. He's 6-foot-6 with long levers, throws in the mid-to-upper 90s while touching 100, and he's much more than just a pure arm, as many teams also saw his power curveball as one of if not the best breaking ball in the draft. He also has an advanced changeup for his age.
Draft skinny: Giolito is the biggest enigma in the draft after an elbow injury shut him down in March. While there is no structural damage, he's only to the point of throwing off flat ground, and his UCLA commitment is considered stronger than ever because he had a chance to be the first high school right-hander ever taken at No. 1 overall before the injury, and teams assumed he'll still want to be paid like one. If he goes in the top five picks, I will not be shocked. If nobody touches him in the first round due to signability fears, I will not be surprised.

3. Byron Buxton, OF, Appling County HS (GA)
Who he is: The best all-around athlete in the draft. He's a plus-plus (or more) runner who projects to steal plenty of bases and cover a ton of ground in center field to go with a rocket for an arm. He has fantastic bat speed, but reviews on his power are wide-ranging. To believe he'll be a home run hitter right now requires significant projection, but while many are convinced it's in him, others wonder how that can be when he's not showing it against sub-par competition in rural Georgia.
Draft skinny: Power or no, it's hard to match Buxton's tools and upside. He's firmly in the mix for Houston at No. 1, and it would be surprising for the Twins to pass him up at No. 2.

4. Mark Appel, RHP, Stanford
Who he is: There are three big college arms in this draft, and Appel is generally seen as the best. He certainly passes the sniff test, due to a 6-foot-5 power frame and a 93-95 mph fastball that can touch 98. His breaking ball is a bit of a hybrid, but is effective and misses plenty of bats, and his changeup is average. He's excellent, but for some, he lacks the wow factor of a potential 1-1 pick. One scout commented, “The parts are greater than the sum,” as he can be surprisingly hittable at times.
Draft skinny: Currently the favorite to go No. 1 to Houston, but not yet a lock. He should get through the minors quickly, but he's also the top prospect being advised by Scott Boras, and teams are unsure as to what those negotiations will be like under the new rules.

5. Kyle Zimmer RHP, San Francisco
Who he is: There are many teams who have Zimmer ahead of Appel on their boards. He has size and extreme athleticism for a pitcher, along with plus command and control of a bigtime fastball that consistently touches the upper 90s while touching 98-99 mph. His curveball is a plus pitch, and while his changeup needs consistency, it has potential. With two dominant offerings in a non-elite conference, he's been able to blow hitters away, and will need to learn how to sequence as a pro.
Draft skinny: Zimmer could go as high as No. 2 overall to Minnesota, and it's hard to see him falling out of the top five picks.

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195. "The "trade Morneau" chorus"
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I get it, but I don't see any scenario where this doesn't set the Twins back more than it helps them unless he starts hitting like pre-concussion 2010 Morneau this afternoon and keeps it up until the trade deadline. We don't have a ready replacement for his bat except for Mauer, but since they're both in the lineup at the same time right now that's not really a replacement.

Morneau's contract isn't a good one when he's on the shelf, but it is a workable one if he's playing and hitting the ball over the wall like he is right now. Having re-established the possible existence of a trade market for Morneau isn't the same thing as making a Morneau trade a good idea.

His current deal expires after 2013. I'm presently operating under the assumption that his performance so far isn't good enough to make any team disregard the risk that a HBP or a dive for a groundball will put him back on the shelf (for 14mm per) indefinitely. That risk will only be mitigated with time and performance, and since Chris Parmelee isn't (yet?) the firstbase replacement that we hoped there's no reason not to wait out the situation. Good Morneau is a bargain at 14mm in 2013 and a complete no-brainer to offer the 1/12.5mm "qualifying offer" needed to get a draft pick. Bad or injured Morneau is a short-term disaster that the Twins can permit to retire or walk away after 2013.

This winter is the time to explore this, unless some team goes all "damn the torpedoes" in the meantime. Like the Rangers. That's an incredible offense without the benefit of a real masher at 1B, and they've got pitching prospects that jump right to the top of our list.

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197. "So, we all did the circa 1990 dog pound chant, right?"
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198. "/whoofs"
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Of course. My neighbors must have thought they fell into a wormhole that dropped them in 1991.

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199. "6-1/6/3 vs. Indians, probables, pick'ems, general bullshit"
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In the battle between Oakland's play-doh bats and the Iron Mikes wearing the uniforms of Twins' pitchers, the Twins came out on top in a glorious* sweep. Now to an actual divisional foe, the hated Clevelanders. Who will be standing atop the bump for our hometown nine, you ask?

Lowe vs. Pavano
Tomlin vs. Walters
Masterson vs. Diamond

On one hand, these are two of the three pitchers who have lately# actually shown proficiency at the previously obscure task of retiring opposing hitters and preventing runs. Weird, right? On the other, I'm still not sure either of these guys is actually good. Walters has got this late-stage-Trevor-Hoffman-as-starter thing where he pitches off that really rather good changeup to set up his 87mph fastball, but I don't think that's actually a thing among righthanders. Though he's pitching against somebody who has a pretty similar profile in Tomlin, so maybe it is a thing amongst pretend-impoverished AL Central teams with no pitching depth in their system. Diamond's success is a bit easier to wrap one's mind around. Like Walters, he has a plus changeup, but unlike Walters he has pretty outstanding control on both sides of the plate and is a lefty. If asked to name which of these pitchers we'll remember in five years, I'd rather say "neither" but if forced, I'd go with Diamond.

Pavano is Pavano. So there. How about some pick'ems?

Mauer walks vs. Plouffe total bases
Revere steals vs. Pavano strikeouts
Perkins innings vs. Morneau homers
Willingham total bases vs. Masterson groundouts
Twins defensive DPs vs. Twins offensive DPs
Span doubles vs. Capps saves
Twins wins vs. Indians wins

Give me: Plouffe, Pavano, Morneau, Willingham, defensive, doubles, Twins

*not actually glorious
#not in any way that signifies predictability, but still... lately.

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