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Frank Longo
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"Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum: two players forever linked."


  

          

Not sure who among you caught the Sixers/Celtics Summer League game, but it was fantastically entertaining.

Fultz had 17 points, two rebounds, an assist, and three impressive blocks in 22 minutes. They seemed to be using him more as the two guard with Larry Drew II as the point guard (lol), so the lack of dimes didn't surprise me-- they clearly told him to go go go.

Tatum had 21 points, seven rebounds, three assists, five steals, and only one turnover in 30 minutes. He also had an impressive posterizing jam and the game-winning basket. Outside of his one early turnover, he looked at ease on the floor. (It also helped that he was playing alongside Jaylen Brown, who also had a monster game.)

Saw lots of agendas on Twitter during the game, after each impressive play each made. "Celtics made the right trade!" "Celtics fucked up!" etc. Clearly everything these dudes do will be compared forever by fans wondering "who won the trade." Remains to be seen if there will be a clear winner, obviously... but if you get a chance to watch yesterday's Summer League game if it replays, it was a lot of fun and a great start to this agenda rivalry. And both sides certainly have a lot to be excited about by these young guys.

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Ultimately, I feel like we have a great chance at "winning"
Jul 04th 2017
1
yeah that is the big question, mark, what is that pick?
Jul 04th 2017
4
      Can't argue with that..
Jul 05th 2017
13
           We'll see, it's a thin line
Jul 09th 2017
56
RE: Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum: two players forever linked.
Jul 04th 2017
2
Fultz better
Jul 04th 2017
3
don't be on the wrong side of this one, kid... there's time
Jul 04th 2017
7
      Keep your eye on this one son. Wait until that season starts
Jul 04th 2017
10
KD likes Fultz...
Jul 04th 2017
5
so goofy.
Jul 07th 2017
50
good grief. I knew i should have made this thread. you playing it safe
Jul 04th 2017
6
so are you now gonna say your guy is better than futlz?
Jul 04th 2017
8
      the latter. fultz better, but not a game changer.
Jul 04th 2017
9
      No guarantee we'd be in better position to get those game changers tho
Jul 04th 2017
11
      No guarantee the Sixers will be in a worse position either
Jul 05th 2017
15
           the sixers cannot be sorry anymore. so their picks will be late teens
Jul 05th 2017
19
                i hope that's true but it's hard to say, especially this year
Jul 05th 2017
23
      That's reasonable but we'll see what pick Ainge ends up with
Jul 05th 2017
14
      kings mediocre? LMAO!!!! man, they kings will be TRASH
Jul 05th 2017
18
           heh, this is one of the few things we both can agree on
Jul 05th 2017
22
           more than likely but we are talking two years out
Jul 05th 2017
24
      so then fultz won't be the 4th best PG in NBA out the gate next season?
Jul 05th 2017
29
           when goof troop gon be an all-star
Jul 05th 2017
30
                when toxic asset avenger gon be an NBA starter
Jul 06th 2017
31
                already was and will be again. i heard goof troop was a STAR tho
Jul 06th 2017
32
                     I'll rephrase: when he gon start on team not deliberately trying to lose
Jul 06th 2017
36
                          "i suppose we could stand here for hours"
Jul 06th 2017
37
                               you made that clear when you tossed jah in the bushes
Jul 06th 2017
40
                                    right. i did.
Jul 06th 2017
41
                                         https://media.giphy.com/media/UGAwRa9KWjO2Q/giphy.gif
Jul 06th 2017
42
                while you bullshittin, he'll prolly make it this year.
Jul 06th 2017
34
                if he don't, what do i win? nothing.
Jul 06th 2017
35
                Tieši šodien!
Jan 24th 2018
60
                     cool....i'll just kyrie him. when he gon lead a team to the playoffs?
Jan 24th 2018
61
      Absolutely the latter for me.
Jul 05th 2017
21
Both have all-star level potential... one is stuck in a logjam of sorts ...
Jul 04th 2017
12
Tatum's gonna play, some of those other dudes will be moved
Jul 05th 2017
20
      Tatum's gonna end up playing some 4 too so he'll be cool
Jul 10th 2017
59
Ainge wants Porter. That's what that was all about.
Jul 05th 2017
16
No more so than Ball and Jackson too. Both guys the Sixers could
Jul 05th 2017
17
That's the thing, even if Jackson or Tatum were Fultz's equal ...
Jul 06th 2017
39
seems like both have bright futures...
Jul 05th 2017
25
*Conceited gif*
Jul 05th 2017
26
Fultz out this bitch just gliding and scoring
Jul 05th 2017
27
His style of play seems pretty damn effortless
Jul 05th 2017
28
      Smooth, effortless..
Jul 06th 2017
33
           Great body control, sick handle, smooth ass pull-up jumper
Jul 06th 2017
38
No word on Donovan Mitchell shutting Tatum down last night?
Jul 07th 2017
43
was at the movies. great to see mitchell light it up.
Jul 07th 2017
44
I watched most of it and I thought Mitchell looked real good.
Jul 07th 2017
46
      i'm sure he looked great despite what the boxscore says
Jul 07th 2017
49
mitchell was very engaged and up for it
Jul 07th 2017
45
Is this a preview of the upcoming season?
Jul 07th 2017
47
Interesting
Jul 07th 2017
48
dont start a bullshit narrative.
Jul 09th 2017
51
      Read my whole post before throwing a hissy fit.
Jul 09th 2017
52
           This is my first time responding to anything negative about him. Shut up...
Jul 09th 2017
53
                Welcome to Duke-hate, bro. They will find ways to not like him
Jul 09th 2017
54
                We finally have intersecting agendas *shakes hand*
Jul 10th 2017
57
                Tell me more about this narrative I created that has u so perturbed
Jul 09th 2017
55
                     You begin your first post with this hyperbole..
Jul 10th 2017
58
too bad.
May 10th 2018
62
ESPN: All-in Sixers couldn't wait on Markelle Fultz any longer (SWIPE)
Feb 08th 2019
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realityrap
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1. "Ultimately, I feel like we have a great chance at "winning""
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The trade.

If that LAL pick yields a top 5 selection in next year's draft along with Jayson Tatum being a good pro, regardless if he's better than Fultz or not, it was a good trade in my book.

There's a real possibility that we end up with picks 1 and 2 in next year's draft.

  

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4. "yeah that is the big question, mark, what is that pick?"
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best-case scenario for boston it is a high pick next year, worst-case scenario it's like a mid-first or late-lotto in 2019. obviously the player vs player thing is big but i think how the pick confers will be the determining factor.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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13. "Can't argue with that.."
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but asking LA to finish outside of the bottom 5 is asking a lot of them, as constructed.

  

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56. "We'll see, it's a thin line"
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From their perspective they lose the pick either way so no incentive to tank. They should be at least a little better next year.

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2. "RE: Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum: two players forever linked."
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Fultz's jumper makes it seem like he don't got the range caus his windup don't go all the way back to his temple, but then he over shot one to the backboard to bank it in from three which was kinda weird, usually don't see guards shoot like that, was suprised by the three blocks too caus he don't look like he have that much ups, this guy looks like the shortest 6"4 player next to mark jackson and andre miller, are the measuring his hair too?

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3. "Fultz better"
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That's all

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7. "don't be on the wrong side of this one, kid... there's time"
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10. "Keep your eye on this one son. Wait until that season starts "
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5. "KD likes Fultz..."
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kind of a goofy comment at the end, though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/882033584957136896

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50. "so goofy."
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6. "good grief. I knew i should have made this thread. you playing it safe"
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ainge fucking stole from them. period.

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8. "so are you now gonna say your guy is better than futlz?"
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or are you saying the difference isn't enough to account for X/Y asset ainge may get in addition to the swap?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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9. "the latter. fultz better, but not a game changer. "
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there are game changers coming in the next couple of drafts and ainge ready.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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11. "No guarantee we'd be in better position to get those game changers tho"
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Between that Euro forward and dude from Delaware being the next can't miss prospects.

The deal still gives us -some- chance at one of those game changers tho, like if the Lakers stink it up enough to get the #1 pick for us to snatch.

  

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15. "No guarantee the Sixers will be in a worse position either"
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They will still have their own picks and one extra first in one of the next two drafts. It's not like they emptied the cupboard here.

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19. "the sixers cannot be sorry anymore. so their picks will be late teens"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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23. "i hope that's true but it's hard to say, especially this year"
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14. "That's reasonable but we'll see what pick Ainge ends up with"
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Let's say it defers to the 2019 Sac pick and the Kings are mediocre. Nobody is gonna throw a parade because he passed on the best player in the draft in exchange for the #12 overall pick or some shit.

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18. "kings mediocre? LMAO!!!! man, they kings will be TRASH"
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22. "heh, this is one of the few things we both can agree on"
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24. "more than likely but we are talking two years out"
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and they dont have to make the playoffs, even being a bottom lotto team like in the 10-13 range would make the pick kind of whatever.

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29. "so then fultz won't be the 4th best PG in NBA out the gate next season?"
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30. "when goof troop gon be an all-star"
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31. "when toxic asset avenger gon be an NBA starter"
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32. "already was and will be again. i heard goof troop was a STAR tho"
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36. "I'll rephrase: when he gon start on team not deliberately trying to lose"
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37. ""i suppose we could stand here for hours" "
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i honestly don't care. i'll pick it up when he's traded. got other guys to cyse. good luck with your big goofy pouting jump shooting bitch.

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40. "you made that clear when you tossed jah in the bushes"
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>i honestly don't care.

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41. "right. i did. "
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42. "https://media.giphy.com/media/UGAwRa9KWjO2Q/giphy.gif"
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34. "while you bullshittin, he'll prolly make it this year."
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east trash as shit.

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35. "if he don't, what do i win? nothing. "
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60. "Tieši šodien!"
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61. "cool....i'll just kyrie him. when he gon lead a team to the playoffs?"
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21. "Absolutely the latter for me."
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I was going to say that above to reply 1, but the post grew faster than I anticipated. Both are high-floor, high-upside prospects, and the difference in peak upside isn't as great as some may think. I would've drafted Fultz #1, of course, but if Tatum had gotten a team to pick him second, I wouldn't have blinked.

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12. "Both have all-star level potential... one is stuck in a logjam of sorts ..."
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I guess we'll see a lot of small ball lineups where there'll be just be 3's taking the 2 forward spots? Guess it's better to logjam on front court wings than the back court?

  

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20. "Tatum's gonna play, some of those other dudes will be moved"
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59. "Tatum's gonna end up playing some 4 too so he'll be cool"
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Brown will get the start at the 2 next season if things stay as is.

  

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16. "Ainge wants Porter. That's what that was all about."
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Mignight Maruder
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17. "No more so than Ball and Jackson too. Both guys the Sixers could"
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have drafted. The Ball/Sixers feud has already been set in motion and Jackson was the guy the Sixers were allegedly the most closely linked to had they stayed put with the 3rd pick. And I think Jackson feels a tad bitter at Philly for making it obvious they valued Fultz much more than him.

The deal doesn't need to be perfectly balanced for it to be even. Keep in mind the Sixers were desperate for a high quality guard so if he plays to his potential the Sixers will be in great shape.

  

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39. "That's the thing, even if Jackson or Tatum were Fultz's equal ..."
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The Sixers were stacked up front and needed a great guard. Incidentally Fultz is also better than those two guys, but even if all three guys were even the Sixers should have taken Fultz.

I think you're right that the top three guys will all be linked and compared. Jackson won't be because he went to Phoenix, which is pretty much a giant, vacuous void in the national basketball media, much like Utah.

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25. "seems like both have bright futures..."
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and are probably in the right roles for them as opposed to if they switched teams.

and usually, being in the right role is half the battle to stardom, so....

  

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Basaglia
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26. "*Conceited gif*"
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27. "Fultz out this bitch just gliding and scoring "
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Real easy like

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28. "His style of play seems pretty damn effortless"
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I enjoyed him dropping that heat in the 4th quarter on some "this isn't even my final form" type shit

  

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33. "Smooth, effortless.."
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Much better with the ball in his hands IMO. Not running the 2 with Larry Drew of all people at the point.

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38. "Great body control, sick handle, smooth ass pull-up jumper"
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Mignight Maruder
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43. "No word on Donovan Mitchell shutting Tatum down last night?"
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It's summer league ball, so I'm just taking things with a grain of salt. It was interesting to see Tatum struggle against a more athletic guard 4-5 inches shorter than him though. Fultz was able to have his way with the Jazz just the night before.

  

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44. "was at the movies. great to see mitchell light it up. "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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46. "I watched most of it and I thought Mitchell looked real good. "
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I think Tatum, Mitchell, and Fultz have all looked great for the most part thus far. Then again it's Summer League so you can only glean so much from the play. Mitchell's athleticism combined with his intensity/work ethic will serve him well though.

  

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49. "i'm sure he looked great despite what the boxscore says"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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45. "mitchell was very engaged and up for it"
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tatum looked a bit taken aback by his intensity.

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47. "Is this a preview of the upcoming season?"
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http://bit.ly/2syyaOm

  

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48. "Interesting"
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51. "dont start a bullshit narrative. "
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52. "Read my whole post before throwing a hissy fit. "
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I clearly stated "it's SL so I take everything with a grain of salt." In a separate post I also make it clear that I think he'll be a solid player.

Let's get this clear: you're perfectly cool with posts showering Tatum with love, but will snap when anything that might be perceived as a slight gets mentioned - even if it's done in a light hearted way.

  

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53. "This is my first time responding to anything negative about him. Shut up..."
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The bottom line is if you watched the game, you would have saw that we had no point guard on the roster and that Tatum did pg duty part time and didn't get the ball in his spots to do what he does as opposed to that lazy ass he got locked up narrative.

It's you. It's not me.

  

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54. "Welcome to Duke-hate, bro. They will find ways to not like him"
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I dunno if he's gonna end up the best player from this draft, but the fact that he looks like he might be is pissing some of these dudes off. Imagine Lonzo or Jackson or Fultz came out looking this good. Never hear the end of it.

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57. "We finally have intersecting agendas *shakes hand* "
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55. "Tell me more about this narrative I created that has u so perturbed "
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FWIW, that too was my only post that could be perceived as a slight against Tatum. And again, it was followed up with "take it with a grain of salt" so the post was light hearted in nature. If you want to run with it, go ahead.

If I took SL ball that serious, I'd be making 'Bryn Forbes da gawd' posts.

  

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58. "You begin your first post with this hyperbole.."
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""No word on Donovan Mitchell shutting Tatum down last night?"

Thats not how it went down. Simply put, tell the truth.

  

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62. "too bad. "
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63. "ESPN: All-in Sixers couldn't wait on Markelle Fultz any longer (SWIPE)"
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25947088/all-sixers-wait-markelle-fultz-longer

Tim Bontemps
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Before Tuesday's game against the Toronto Raptors, Philadelphia 76ers coach Brett Brown was asked if Markelle Fultz was going to return to the rotation sometime this season.

"Right now I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised with how he arrives back with us, more than assume he's going to be there," Brown said.

What Brown couldn't say was what everyone in the room already knew: Fultz's time in Philadelphia was all but over. The 76ers' timeline no longer allowed for Fultz to work himself back into anything even remotely resembling the form that made him the No. 1 overall draft pick in 2017.

Hours later, Philadelphia made that abundantly clear by trading a bundle of players and picks for Tobias Harris -- the team's second all-in move in less than three months. Adding Harris gave the Sixers one of the best starting lineups in the NBA. It also left them with a second big-money free agent to have to potentially re-sign this summer, and the same problem they had before trading for either Jimmy Butler or Harris: a weak bench.

Fultz, in his current state, was a factor in both of those problems. The $10 million in salary he is owed for next season would have made it difficult to give both Butler and Harris big contracts as free agents while avoiding the luxury tax. Meanwhile, while working his way back from his thoracic outlet syndrome diagnosis, Fultz was taking up a roster spot, limiting the Sixers' ability to improve their bench either in a trade or on the buyout market.

After going all-in by trading for Butler and Harris, keeping Fultz simply didn't make sense. So less than a half-hour before Thursday's 3 p.m. trade deadline, Sixers general manager Elton Brand made the only decision he could by trading Fultz to the Orlando Magic for forward Jonathon Simmons, Oklahoma City's 2020 first-round pick and Cleveland's 2019 second-round pick.

And, just like that, the Markelle Fultz era in Philadelphia was over -- in far different fashion than anyone could have imagined when it began.

June 19, 2017, was supposed to mark the dawn of a new era in Philadelphia.

It was that day that the 76ers agreed to a massive trade with the Boston Celtics, sending the third pick in that year's draft and a future first-rounder to Boston in exchange for the No. 1 overall pick. Philadelphia did so to take Fultz, the dynamic combo guard out of Washington who was almost universally seen as the top pick in the draft and, more important, looked to be an ideal fit alongside Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons, the team's two other young anchor talents.

That trio was supposed to carry the Sixers forward for the next decade, be the foundation of a new Eastern Conference powerhouse and serve as the culmination of "The Process" -- the moniker given to former general manager Sam Hinkie's systematic teardown of the franchise in an effort to accumulate as many assets as possible, a quest designed specifically to acquire just those types of players.

But rather than marking the dawning of a new day in Philadelphia, June 19, 2017, came to signify the beginning of an excruciating 20-month process that saw Fultz go from a face of the franchise to a face the public hardly ever saw. That shift led the Sixers in a very different direction, one that quickly left Fultz behind.

In theory, Fultz should have been the perfect person to pair with Simmons and Embiid. After watching Fultz play during his lone season at Washington, one high-ranking NBA executive compared him to Dwyane Wade. Standing 6-foot-4 with long arms and blazing speed, Fultz was capable of slicing through defenses and getting to the rim, could make plays for others and showed enough shooting ability -- hitting 41.2 percent of his 3-point attempts on just over five attempts per game -- to allow him to pair nicely with Simmons in Philadelphia's backcourt.

But that's all Fultz turned out to be in Philadelphia: a thought exercise. Regardless of what it was that caused his shooting form to desert him -- and plenty of theories have been floated -- it only matters now that it did. And, when it did, Fultz did, too. He missed the vast majority of last season, then played only 19 games this season before going on hiatus yet again.

ome glimmers of the player he was expected to be occasionally shined through, like when he became the first teenager in NBA history to record a triple-double last season. Far more often, though, he was shrouded in mystery, forcing the Sixers to answer one question after another about him and his status.

Would he play? Would he start when he did? Had his shot returned? Would it ever?

Meanwhile, Simmons and Embiid took the court together and turned the Sixers into a top-four team in the East without Fultz. Their combined talents were enough to somewhat overcome the fact Philadelphia had essentially gotten nothing from a player it had invested significant draft capital specifically to get.

Philadelphia initially tried to change that this season. In an attempt to show faith in Fultz, Brown moved him into the starting lineup to start the season, breaking up what had been the NBA's best five-man lineup in 2017-18. Almost immediately, that plan fell apart.

What began as Fultz starting turned into Fultz starting only the first half of games by the end of the preseason. It quickly became clear that despite having worked on it all offseason, Fultz's jump shot was nowhere near fixed. All pretenses of Philadelphia being a team that had time to allow Fultz to find himself disappeared in mid-November, when the Sixers pushed their chips into the center of the table by trading for Butler.

Fultz was dropped from the starting lineup for good in Butler's debut on Nov. 14 in Orlando and excised from the rotation completely the following Monday when T.J. McConnell helped engineer a second-half comeback against the Phoenix Suns with Fultz watching from the bench.

That was the last time he ever played for the Sixers.

Soon after, Fultz saw a series of specialists, was diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome and began a rehabilitation program. But even after returning to the bench, there was never any indication he was going to return to the rotation.

Perhaps the Markelle Fultz era in Orlando will go differently than the one in Philadelphia did. In truth, the Magic are just about the perfect place for him to land. Rather than being under an unforgiving microscope analyzing his every shot and movement as a failed former No. 1 overall pick in Philadelphia, Fultz can just be a backup guard on the Magic, a team sitting outside the East's playoff picture with virtually no media attention.

Orlando's front office, led by team president Jeff Weltman and general manager John Hammond, can afford to be patient with his progress. The team's coach, Steve Clifford, has precisely the right approach and temperament to help coax Fultz's game back to life. But, more than anything, the Magic have time to let Fultz attempt to work things out, to play, to potentially get himself right.

Time was the one thing, though, that Philadelphia no longer had. By trading for Butler and Harris, Philadelphia went from a team with an eye on the future to one entirely focused on the present.

Markelle Fultz wasn't going to be part of that present -- and, therefore, he couldn't be part of Philadelphia's future.

Thursday, the Sixers ensured he wouldn't be.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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