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abstractionism
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"Knicks to Feel: "HELP US""


          

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10567365/sources-new-york-knicks-gm-steve-mills-met-phil-jackson-coaching-possibility

  

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ppl need to stop, phil's not coaching again.
Mar 07th 2014
1
sheeeit i'd take feel in a pat role in a hearbeat.
Mar 07th 2014
2
and there u have it
Mar 07th 2014
4
      has that always been your avy? it goes perfect in any knick post
Mar 07th 2014
5
Stop trying to hire the best coach ever? Yeah, that makes perfect sense....
Mar 08th 2014
16
I thought the reason MSG told Riley
Mar 11th 2014
36
      So they should keep the same thinking they had twenty years ago?
Mar 12th 2014
40
           I could be wrong
Mar 12th 2014
46
                You're probably right, but Riley in the 90's isn't really relevant in th...
Mar 13th 2014
51
                     I made my reply
Mar 13th 2014
53
them niggas doing EVERYTHING to try to keep Carmelo there lol
Mar 07th 2014
3
Supposedly Phil wants Dolan to meet with him instead of Mills
Mar 07th 2014
6
only way feel comes is if he desperately needs 20mil
Mar 07th 2014
7
LOL
Mar 07th 2014
8
Either that's the reason or Phil cherry picks the teams he coaches
Mar 08th 2014
9
Somebody needs to explain to me Phils executive resume to me.
Mar 08th 2014
10
Yeah, the '06 Lakers had so many stars
Mar 08th 2014
14
phil ain't larry brown, he wants a chance to win
Mar 08th 2014
13
      Phil is a Knick at heart and wants to finish his coaching career here
Mar 08th 2014
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to me that reads as ...
Mar 08th 2014
11
they are helpless helpless helpless helplesssssss (c) uncle neil
Mar 08th 2014
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UPDATE: Jackson close to becoming president of basketball operations
Mar 08th 2014
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This was worth it if keeps Melo in NYC
Mar 08th 2014
18
Ha. Not even Feel could fix this.
Mar 08th 2014
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HA HA when we take your coach
Mar 08th 2014
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http://i.imgur.com/aqFaJpX.gif
Mar 08th 2014
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lol...cotdamn....she gettin it in
Mar 08th 2014
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I mean I dont know about Phils team building acumen.
Mar 08th 2014
22
its that hope we talked about 2 episodes ago.
Mar 08th 2014
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lol me either
Mar 10th 2014
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      didn't Mills say (in his one presser when he first came in)
Mar 10th 2014
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           i don't even know what mills voice sounds like
Mar 10th 2014
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                LOL...we should start calling him Kaiser Soze
Mar 10th 2014
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                truth be told I heard that thru a New York reporter, I haven't
Mar 10th 2014
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RE:Stephen A. Smith's sources better not let me down
Mar 09th 2014
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if melo leaves he has a yr to plan a full rebuild.
Mar 09th 2014
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http://blogs.nd.edu/oblation/files/2011/05/praying-the-rosaryimage.jpg
Mar 10th 2014
28
woj:
Mar 10th 2014
32
practically official..wating on details.
Mar 11th 2014
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Phil Jackson, Knicks finalizing deal by the end of the week *swipe*
Mar 11th 2014
35
lol they talking bout giving this dude $15mil to hire someone
Mar 12th 2014
37
Well, if this happens, that puts us back in the Bron-Bron sweepstakes.
Mar 12th 2014
38
lol how?
Mar 12th 2014
39
Phil gonna try and talk Bron into coming to NY.
Mar 12th 2014
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      I think Lebron is more interested in the roster of the team
Mar 12th 2014
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ha.
Mar 12th 2014
44
omg, dude. not like this.
Mar 13th 2014
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      Simmons said the same shit I said.
Mar 13th 2014
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Done... At least that's what it looks like
Mar 12th 2014
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simmons:
Mar 12th 2014
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unwavering loyalty to walsh? did his dude sleep through the melo trade?
Mar 12th 2014
47
      i *think* he meant mills.
Mar 13th 2014
52
It's official. Greg Anthony confirms it via Twitter & on NBAtv
Mar 12th 2014
48
kobe to the knicks?
Mar 13th 2014
49
wat
Mar 13th 2014
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not happening.
Mar 13th 2014
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why not? he can go anywhere he wants after next season
Mar 18th 2014
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      Kobe is signed for the next season too, on contract 'til 2016
Mar 18th 2014
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aaaaye rick fox thinks it could happen
Jun 12th 2014
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11am tues. Feel resigning would make it the most NYK thing ever
Mar 14th 2014
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Z-LO DA GAWD:
Mar 14th 2014
58
I'm going to assume Feel gets to talk to the media at will
Mar 18th 2014
59
the apparel roll-out is intense for an executive
Mar 18th 2014
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Why steve mills got a mic?
Mar 18th 2014
61
Stephen A saying Melo is gone.
Mar 18th 2014
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Yeah, saw that yesterday. Would make sense for Melo
Mar 18th 2014
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      yeah i can't blame him either. especially since him getting
Mar 18th 2014
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LOL James Dolan is an idiot. Its actually smart that he doesn't
Mar 18th 2014
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didnt this dude like luke walton so much he got a 7 year deal
Mar 18th 2014
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does anyone believe he'll be there in 4-5 yrs?
Mar 18th 2014
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      i give him 3 years max and he'll walk away with 50mil.
Mar 18th 2014
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           and a hell of a book to write.
Mar 18th 2014
71
this got the potential to be real, real funny
Mar 18th 2014
70
i'm not sure how i Feel about steve kerr.
Mar 18th 2014
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I missed the press conference, what are some stupid things Dolan
Mar 18th 2014
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Actually Dolan was on fire...said nothing silly.
Mar 18th 2014
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dula dos pistolas
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1. "ppl need to stop, phil's not coaching again."
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given his health issues, all the travel and the day-to-day grind have made it prohibitive.

he's looking for a riley type role somewhere. pat takes a month off in the middle of every season to go chill at his house in malibu. that's the type of gig phil's in the market for, dude ain't trying to be out there running practices and shit.

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2. "sheeeit i'd take feel in a pat role in a hearbeat."
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Of course guitar hero jimmy ain't letting that happen.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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4. "and there u have it"
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no one's coming here w/o a guy in the FO they respect.
no FO guy who respects himself is working for jimmy.

thats it.

  

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Cenario
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5. "has that always been your avy? it goes perfect in any knick post"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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Cold Truth
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16. "Stop trying to hire the best coach ever? Yeah, that makes perfect sense...."
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They should totally stop trying to hire someone who could potentially help them turn things around, because the mere potential for being told "no" is a great reason to forego efforts to improve.

May as well stop paying qualified coaches alltogether while they're at it and call in Whoopi Goldberg for a bizarre life-imitating-s0
o-called-art moment that would appease all those frustrated Knicks fans.

Yes, they really need to stop trying to recruit the guy with the highest win percentage in the regular and post seasons with more titles to his name than any other coach in history.

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36. "I thought the reason MSG told Riley"
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to kick rocks back in the 90's was because Riley wanted partial ownership of the Knicks.

  

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40. "So they should keep the same thinking they had twenty years ago?"
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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46. "I could be wrong"
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but I hightly doubt Dolan will given up any ownership in the Knicks given the Cablevision implications with the current situation.

  

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51. "You're probably right, but Riley in the 90's isn't really relevant in th..."
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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53. "I made my reply"
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because the phrase 'Riley type role' was used in the first response to the thread. My point is that it's unlikely Jackson will have a 'Riley type role' that he looked for initially in NY and currently has in Miami. Once again, I could be wrong since the full details of Jackson's role with the Knicks aren't out, but there's too much money and power at stake for the Dolan's to give Jackson an inch of Knick's ownership.

  

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3. "them niggas doing EVERYTHING to try to keep Carmelo there lol"
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dude is going to take less money to join bulls fams, its the only team that make sense, unless Lala opens her fat ass cheeks and complains.

  

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6. "Supposedly Phil wants Dolan to meet with him instead of Mills"
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Dolan is the reason Phil isn't currently coaching the Knicks though.

Phil wanted the same thing last time his name came up to coach the Kncks but Dolan's response was Phil should come to him instead of him going to Phil.

This is why we can't have nice things.

mind
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7. "only way feel comes is if he desperately needs 20mil"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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8. "LOL"
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>Dolan is the reason Phil isn't currently coaching the Knicks
>though.
>
>Phil wanted the same thing last time his name came up to coach
>the Kncks but Dolan's response was Phil should come to him
>instead of him going to Phil.
>
>This is why we can't have nice things.

  

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9. "Either that's the reason or Phil cherry picks the teams he coaches"
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As in he only goes to teams that have multiple stars and are ready to contend (rightfully so). And since the Knicks were not in that position he never was coming here. But your gossipy answer sounds better right.

men are so simple, and so subject to present necessities, that he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived. (c)Niccolò Machiavelli

  

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10. "Somebody needs to explain to me Phils executive resume to me. "
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He has never had a huge hand in acquiring players so why is he all of a sudden gonna be good at it is beyond me. He always went to teams that already had multiple good player and COACHED them. To what end is bringing him in to be yet another assistant to Steve mills.

men are so simple, and so subject to present necessities, that he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived. (c)Niccolò Machiavelli

  

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14. "Yeah, the '06 Lakers had so many stars"
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Smush Parker and Kwame Brown in the starting lineup lured Phil to come back to coaching!

mind
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13. "phil ain't larry brown, he wants a chance to win"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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15. "Phil is a Knick at heart and wants to finish his coaching career here"
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Yes, he wants to win too.

It's why he wants to meet with Dolan to see how serious he is about winning.

Unfortunately our owner is a dumbass.

mind
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11. "to me that reads as ..."
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... Philly took a free ride to New York and had a free lunch knowing he was going to say no. That's funny.

  

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12. "they are helpless helpless helpless helplesssssss (c) uncle neil"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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17. "UPDATE: Jackson close to becoming president of basketball operations"
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Stephen A. Smith's sources better not let me down!

01)

Phil Jackson leaning toward Knicks
Updated: March 8, 2014, 5:47 PM ET

While a decision has not been made, Phil Jackson is leaning toward taking a front-office job with the New York Knicks, a source close to the team tells ESPN's Stephen A. Smith.

Jackson's role would be president of basketball operations, in complete control of all basketball-related matters, according to the source.

It is unclear whether the decision would include an agreement to coach the Knicks next season, the source said. A decision is expected sometime next week.

Knicks president Steve Mills had offered the head-coaching position to Jackson but he declined. The 68-year-old Hall of Fame coach has said that he would like to move into a front office and run a team.

02)

Report: Phil Jackson mulling offer to join Knicks' front office; now leaning towards accepting?
Published Friday, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:36 pm EST Last updated 19 minutes and 6 seconds ago

Speculation has followed legendary former Bulls and Lakers coach Phil Jackson ever since he retired from the bench in 2011: would he coach again, or perhaps work in management for a team?

That latter option is now a real possibility. Per Frank Isola of the New York Daily News, the New York Knicks — the franchise for which Jackson played 11 seasons and won two championships with — have offered Jackson a position in their front office, and they expect a decision from Jackson by next week, according to a source.

The report says that Knicks general manager Steve Mills actually offered the team's head coaching position to Jackson, citing ESPN's Stephen A. Smith, which Jackson turned down; instead, owner James Dolan approached Jackson with the front office offer.

While the exact position Jackson would have is unclear, the newspaper cites a source that says it'd be "more than just a consulting job," which could mean anything from scout to president of basketball operations. Given Jackson's credentials, it would probably be a position with significant, if not absolute, decision-making power.

This would certainly be a wise move on New York's end. Even though Jackson has no real management experience, bringing in a figure of Jackson's pedigree would do wonders for the Knicks' reputation, which currently sits in the dumpster amidst an awful season, and could provide the franchise with some sorely-needed momentum going forward.

It's less clear if this is a job appealing enough to Jackson to make him want to return to working in basketball with the health problems he's suffered through in recent years. Jackson has indicated a desire to return to the NBA in some way, but taking over a team with a poorly-performing roster — which may lose Carmelo Anthony to free agency — and a subpar cap situation may not be the ideal job for the championship-winning former coach.

And that's not to mention the impediment that Dolan represents. The owner has been notoriously tough to work with, and Jackson simply may not want to enter a situation that he knows has the potential to turn stormy quick.

UPDATE: According to Smith, we might be nearing the return of Jackson to the NBA.

According to Smith's report, a source says Jackson is now leaning towards accepting the Knicks' offer. Also according to the source, Jackson's position would be president of basketball operations (and there is still a possibility that Jackson could serve as head coach as well).

A decision from Jackson is still expected next week.

mind
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18. "This was worth it if keeps Melo in NYC"
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Brian Windhurst wrote an article on ESPN that suggests Melo should opt in for one year in NYC. More teams will have more money for 2015 versus this summer and he could package himself with another star like the super friends did in hopes of winning a chip. He could go to the Heat if he took a paycut.

Of course he'd lose money but winning is more important, right?

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19. "Ha. Not even Feel could fix this."
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Bold move by Dolan and the Knicks though.
I'll give them that.

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24. "HA HA when we take your coach"
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20. "http://i.imgur.com/aqFaJpX.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/aqFaJpX.gif

  

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21. "lol...cotdamn....she gettin it in"
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22. "I mean I dont know about Phils team building acumen."
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but then again riles was a broadcaster.

the only way phil gets the job is if he gets to do whatever the fuck he wants. 137% autonomy.

so just jimmy backing the fuck up is a step in the right direction.

the fact that he canned grunwald to give the job to mills (whose done, oh, nothing) and then makes phil mills' boss....

my head hurts.

but we getting puters' putin. anything to distract from the fact they're prob not making the playoffs.

mind you they tried to offer phil woody's job, a decade after courting phil when van gundy was coach.

but melo and jr were slapping niggas 5 years ago and we got over that so...

my head hurts.

  

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23. "its that hope we talked about 2 episodes ago."
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I personally believe that its a false sense of hope, but for many NYers having Phil in this role will = the hope of Philly and Boston's rebuild. You and I know it isnt the same, but it is what it is.

This is NY. You throw a name, legendary name in at that-- and you get more hope.


Just fuckin trade melo

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27. "lol me either"
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>so just jimmy backing the fuck up is a step in the right direction.

this

>the fact that he canned grunwald to give the job to mills (whose done, oh, nothing) and then makes phil mills' boss....

lol Mills offered feel woody's job and then dolan offered feel mills job.

I wonder how that convo went down.

Mills: We want you to coach the knicks.
Feel: What about Woody?
Mills: He'll understand, this is a business.
Feel: Good to know. No thank you, but can you set up a meeting with Dolan.
Mills: O_O

>my head hurts.

this

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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29. "didn't Mills say (in his one presser when he first came in)"
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that they were still going to be in the market for a true GM/personnel guy in addition to him anyway?

The bottom line is this is nothing but good news for Knick Fans, you now have a brilliant basketball mind who has enough clout to tell Blues Jimmy 'fuck off, I can speak to the media whenever I feel like it, I do some of my best work that way'.

There will be someone accountable again for making the decisions that stretch beyond the X's and O's.

Mills is gonna kick back & get paid to do nothing as he already had been so he's probably not sweating it.

  

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30. "i don't even know what mills voice sounds like"
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you would know better than me.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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31. "LOL...we should start calling him Kaiser Soze"
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33. "truth be told I heard that thru a New York reporter, I haven't"
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heard Mills' voice either or even seen him to know he exists.

  

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25. "RE:Stephen A. Smith's sources better not let me down"
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this story running now feels more like a desperate attempt to get Melo to stay

also, from a self confessed NYK fan

anyway

why would Feel take any job with the NYK

before Melo makes a decision

I can't see Feel joining the NYK in any capacity if Melo leaves

why would he want to work for a franchise that's fucked for about the next 3 years

BS story.

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26. "if melo leaves he has a yr to plan a full rebuild."
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and will have tons of political capital while dolan is burnt in effigy.
and its where he played and won previously.
its the last stop and biggest hurdle.

does it reek of NYK desperation? it does.
am I going to dismiss the whole thing outta hand? naw.

  

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28. "http://blogs.nd.edu/oblation/files/2011/05/praying-the-rosaryimage.jpg"
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32. "woj:"
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Why a Phil Jackson-Knicks marriage would eventually end in an ugly divorce
By Adrian Wojnarowski
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Before the New York Knicks' hiring of Donnie Walsh six years ago, the commissioner of the NBA wanted to broker a deal to make Jerry Colangelo the franchise's basketball czar. David Stern wanted owner James Dolan to detach himself of his basketball meddling and meet Colangelo's conditions of the franchise's full autonomy.

The embarrassments were endless, the NBA's flagship franchise a smoldering heap of humiliation. Colangelo wanted major money and peerless power, with perhaps a provision that his son, Bryan, could someday replace him as the Knicks president, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Colangelo knew that the Knicks' culture and final word would always belong to the owner – never him, league sources said. As the managing director of USA Basketball, Colangelo had control, the best players and a far less traumatic path to chasing a championship legacy. Walsh had a soft spot for bringing a title to his New York roots and worked the job with capability, grace and honesty. There was never a hustle with Walsh, never an angle.

Now, the Knicks are negotiating a front-office deal with Phil Jackson. He's pushing for a monumental salary, understanding the leverage his Knicks championship roots and 11 NBA titles as a coach give him in a courtship gone public. One more famous name punches the code into Dolan's Garden ATM, with full understanding the transaction fee is a guarantee of a most unhappy ending.

"Nobody will ever have full autonomy," a high-ranking league official told Yahoo Sports. "Donnie had it in his deal, and when he questioned it, it was, 'See you later.' "

Make no mistake: Thus far, there's no assurance Jackson will come work for the Knicks. If he does, history tells us the Jackson-Dolan dynamic will end horribly for everyone. Dolan will declare a betrayal, and Jackson will walk away with tens of millions of Cablevision's dollars and a fistful more on a publishing advance to ridicule Dolan's meddling ways and distance himself from whatever failures occurred on his watch.

Far less accomplished people have been hired to run franchises, thus there's no arguing Jackson isn't worthy of an opportunity. Nevertheless, there are significant doubts about Jackson's ability to translate his coaching genius to front-office organization and tenacity. Respected officials doubt his desire to spend the necessary time evaluating talent, constructing a staff beyond those indebted cronies forever at his NBA side. They wonder about his commitment to investing time into the small, mundane assignments that are necessary to turning a loser into a contender. How much time will Jackson even spend in New York?

The Knicks are low on draft picks and assets, long on bad contracts and bad knees. For even the most elite of front-office executives, this is a challenging job – never mind a 68-year-old who'll find little of the adulation of championship-level coaching, and far more the criticism and second-guessing that comes with a rebuild.

Dolan believes Jackson's star power can trump Pat Riley's on the free-agent market, but make no mistake: Before a general manager can chase free-agents star, there needs to be an infrastructure of good, young and inexpensive talent born of savvy scouting and creativity deal-making. Jackson can't snap his fingers and expedite talent to his roster.

Looking back, Dolan delivered broad autonomy to Isiah Thomas – only to watch the excesses of wasteful spending, dysfunction and losing reverberate over a decade. Thomas had almost a mystical ability to work over Dolan, to be the owner's buddy and basketball authority. Isiah worked Dolan in a way that would be beneath Jackson, that his personality and ego will never allow.

For Dolan, Thomas is still the executive with whom everyone else pales. Well beyond Thomas' firing in 2008, Dolan made multiple bids to convince underlings that Thomas needed to be rehired. In one episode described to Yahoo Sports, Dolan had become exasperated with team officials who didn't want a second Garden act for Thomas. With overwhelming evidence to the contrary being presented to Dolan, he finally blurted out: "Isiah is a basketball genius!"

Dolan will never feel so good about Jackson, because Jackson will never let Dolan think he feels so good about him. Divide and conquer has always been Jackson's game plan – from Jerry Krause to Jerry West – and that's unlikely to change now.

Eventually, Jackson will want to explain himself – defend his mistakes, revel in his successes, whatever – and that'll be the beginning of the end for him. Won't matter if he's winning, or losing: The wall of silence at the Garden trumps everything – sellouts, stars and playoffs. In the end, this tells you so much about the pathology of the owner, so much about the trail of clues that assures of a doomed Jackson-Dolan partnership.

"The biggest issue for (Dolan) is the no-talk policy with the media," a high-ranking league official said. "Everybody signs on, except for Walsh. And after that (Dolan) said, "Never again.' "

The saviors come and go for these New York Knicks, and Phil Jackson is still exploring the possibility that he could take his turn restoring glory to the Garden. They'll let Jackson make a lot of decisions there, let him make a lot of money, but as long as he understands the truth he'll never be confused. The Knicks' culture and values belong to James Dolan, and there are no executives – no forces of nature – that will change it.

  

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34. "practically official..wating on details."
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35. "Phil Jackson, Knicks finalizing deal by the end of the week *swipe*"
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Official announcement coming next week.

ACCORDING TO CHRIS "MY SOURCES TELL ME "BROUSSARD!!!

Phil Jackson, Knicks finalizing deal
Updated: March 11, 2014, 12:43 PM ET
By Chris Broussard | ESPN The Magazine

Phil Jackson and the New York Knicks are expected to finalize a deal that will give the legendary coach control of the club's front office by the end of this week, according to a league source.

"Everything is pretty much done," the source said. "There are just some little things here and there that need to be worked out, but the Knicks are very confident that this is essentially done."

An official announcement might not come until next week, the source said.

There has been speculation that Jackson is using the Knicks to get a top-flight job with another franchise, particularly the Los Angeles Lakers, but the source said the Knicks have no fear of Jackson leaving them at the altar for another team.

Jackson will take over the Knicks' basketball operations department from president and general manager Steve Mills. Mills, however, will remain an integral part of the organization, according to the source.

"I think if he has the wherewithal to understand that these jobs are difficult, that they're frustrating and he's not going to be able to coach the players unless he wants to, I'm sure he could do a great job," Jerry West told The New York Post on Monday night. "Coaching and being an executive are different things. But he has a lot to draw on in terms of experience with players, how to organize teams and how to put them together. The biggest thing to learn is that you're going to need a lot of really good players."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10588672/phil-jackson-new-york-knicks-expected-finalize-deal-end-week

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37. "lol they talking bout giving this dude $15mil to hire someone"
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else to do the day to day operations??? lol.

Phil bout to get a major payday and once ish hits the fan, Phil legacy will remain intact, bc everything will get blamed on the knicks dysfunctional organization

Dolan dumb. Hopefully jax has full autonomy and full media rights lolz

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38. "Well, if this happens, that puts us back in the Bron-Bron sweepstakes."
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39. "lol how?"
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41. "Phil gonna try and talk Bron into coming to NY. "
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I said sweepstakes, not that its a lock.


You know this is really a Pat Riley /Phil pissing contest...Phil has no reason to come back- he has money- he could stay up in Montana or Idaho and fish until kingdom come...he is drawn to the idea of restoring New York to the glory he experienced...and one upping everyone else.

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42. "I think Lebron is more interested in the roster of the team"
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he joins than what suit is or isn't sitting in the offices. He didn't go to Miami b.c. of Pat Riley, he went there to play with wade and bosh.

And i think phil jackson is coming to ny to get paid.

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44. "ha."
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55. "omg, dude. not like this."
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56. "Simmons said the same shit I said. "
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We know Phil is a front-running mickey fickey, why wouldn't he try and talk to Bron? I don't think Bron would come to NY but with Phil around, the conversation is going to happen.

Hopefully he'll do something to address the Ewing curse...which we could have lifted if we kept his son on the roster.

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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-bag-the-phil-jackson-to-the-knicks-theory/

"So, here’s a 68-year-old guy with 13 rings. He’s one of the greatest coaches of all time, only he doesn’t want any part of the week-to-week grind of coaching. He was attached to Seattle’s run at the Kings last year, and would have fetched an ownership stake and control of basketball decisions had Sacramento not fended them off. Detroit’s Tom Gores has tried to rope Jackson into coming aboard multiple times. A group trying to purchase the Bucks is pushing to get him involved. It’s not like he isn’t talking to people.

After the Seattle gig vanished, Phil hoped to stay with the Lakers somehow. He’s engaged to the daughter of the late, great Jerry Buss, only her bumbling brother is running the franchise into the ground; that same brother is irrationally threatened by his much smarter, infinitely more basketball-savvy, undeniably condescending future brother-in-law. Jackson needed to figure out how to pressure Jimmy Buss — a.k.a. Jimmy Boy — into giving him control of the Lakers and/or a lavish consulting gag.

What happens next? He starts talking to Brooklyn about becoming a high-priced consultant and/or Billy King’s eventual replacement if Brooklyn bombs in Round 1. Famous music manager Irving Azoff (an A-list power broker) catches wind and alerts his embattled buddy James Dolan. You can’t let Jackson go to the Nets, he tells him. Here’s a good chance for you to swing New York toward your side again. More importantly, the Nets won’t get him. Dolan and Jackson start talking. Initially, Phil starts asking for crazy, outlandish stuff and makes a spirited run for the coaching spot of the Keep Getting Dem Checks All-Stars.

I want $13 million a year. I want to run the team from Los Angeles. I want final say on everything. I want to pursue Steve Kerr as next year’s coach.

And to his amazement … Dolan keeps saying yes. To everything.

Now, Jackson’s wheels start turning. Could he turn things around in New York? What would this do for his legacy? He knows they don’t have first-round picks in 2014 and 2016, but they’ll have a slew of cap space once Amar’e-Bargnani-Chandler come off the books in 2015. He knows he can pull the Zen Master routine on Carmelo and talk him into staying. He knows superstar free agents like Durant, Westbrook and Love are coming down the pike. He knows there’s a puncher’s chance at LeBron. He knows he could manipulate these free agents just like Riley manipulated the Miami guys — play up the “mecca of basketball” thing; play up the history; play up MSG; play up the Biggest City in the World thing; play up the five generations of Knicks fans; play up the whole “if you win an NBA title here, that will mean more than anyone winning a title anywhere else” thing; go full-fledged Zen Master on them.

And as he keeps thinking about it, he’s inadvertently talking himself into it. He knows Dolan is a horror show of a boss 90 percent of the time, but he also knows about Dolan’s unwavering loyalty to Isiah Thomas and Donnie Walsh — when you’re in with Dolan, you’re in all the way. So he leverages the Knicks by using the threat of the Nets and Lakers. And Dolan just keeps saying “Yes.” He even gets Bill Bradley to start lobbying Jackson, which resonates with Jackson much more than Dolan realizes. And at some point, Jackson says to himself, Wow, if they’re gonna let me run the Knicks from Los Angeles, and I only have to come into New York twice a month, and I’m getting final say on everything, and I’m getting gratuitously overpaid … why wouldn’t I do this?

The elephant in the room: Why would anyone think Phil Jackson — 69 in September, and not exactly known for his tireless work ethic during his last few Lakers years — is suddenly ready to outwork the Sam Prestis and Daryl Moreys and Rob Hennigans of the world? Could you see Phil hopping puddle jumpers from Kansas City to Oklahoma City in mid-January to scout lottery picks? What makes the 2014-16 Knicks situation any different from the 2008-10 Knicks situation … when they wasted two years chasing a pipe dream, came away with $100 million of Amar’e Stoudemire, then spent hundreds of millions more so they could win exactly one playoff series?

Also, doesn’t it mean something that the Knicks have been a mess from the moment Dolan took over? Is he the Dan Snyder of basketball, or is Snyder the Dolan of football? Why go near it? Would YOU want to work for James Dolan? How many times does a pipe dream actually work out? And can you really run a team from 3,000 miles away?

Phil Jackson is grappling with all of these questions. There’s a reason the Knicks deal hasn’t been signed or announced: Either he’s waiting for Mikhail Prokhorov to trump the offer because Phil ultimately doesn’t want to work for Dolan, or he’s waiting for his brother-in-law to be to say, “Don’t go to New York, stay here, I’ll give you final say over Mitch.” And when the Jimmys and Mutant Russian Ted Stepien are involved in the same negotiating drama, it’s probably not going seamlessly, anyway. Right?

Anyway, that’s my theory. I know I’m right about the Seattle/Detroit/Milwaukee stuff and the Brooklyn/Azoff stuff, and I believe everything else is right, too. If he takes the Knicks job, I’d break down the motivation percentages like this: 50 percent shameless money grab/irresistible Godfather offer; 20 percent competitiveness/legacy grab; 20 percent affection for/appreciation of the Knicks brand; 10 percent missing the limelight/being relevant again. Personally, I am 17 times more than dubious that a 68-year-old guy with no front-office experience whatsoever can save the Knicks from 3,000 miles away … while working for James Dolan, no less. Sounds like a recipe for disaster even if you’re the Zen Master. We will see."

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47. "unwavering loyalty to walsh? did his dude sleep through the melo trade?"
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52. "i *think* he meant mills."
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48. "It's official. Greg Anthony confirms it via Twitter & on NBAtv"
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https://twitter.com/GregAnthony50/status/443941297494036480

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.@nyknicks it's official @PhilJackson11 will be joining the Knicks! This move will go a long way in revamping the culture of this franchise!

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49. "kobe to the knicks?"
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lol..this could get good..

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50. "wat"
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“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

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54. "not happening."
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66. "why not? he can go anywhere he wants after next season"
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im sure he would like to play in the garden

knicks might look better than a laker team with 2 lotto picks and kevin love

  

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73. "Kobe is signed for the next season too, on contract 'til 2016"
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it hurt to type that

  

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76. "aaaaye rick fox thinks it could happen"
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57. "11am tues. Feel resigning would make it the most NYK thing ever"
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58. "Z-LO DA GAWD:"
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The Zen Master of Puppets: What Phil Jackson Can Do and the Knicks Must Do to Succeed

MARCH 14, 2014
by ZACH LOWE

There are other Ryan McDonoughs out there.

That’s not to diminish McDonough’s skills, or the insta-rebuild he has helped along in Phoenix. McDonough has done fantastically at his job, in part because he was fantastically prepared for it — the bounty of an adult life spent scouting, learning the salary cap, wading into analytics, and working with people who modeled the stamina and skill set it takes to succeed in the NBA.

There are more of those guys, and they cost considerably less than $15 million per season. The Knicks don’t necessarily need a starry name. They need normalcy. They need a top-down shift in priorities and temperament, which is not the same thing as saying they need massive turnover in their front office and scouting staff. The Knicks are a national punch line, a caricature — the bumbling fat cat blowing someone else’s fortune on irrationally exuberant purchases that never work. But here’s the dirty little secret about the Knicks: They’re not dumb.

There are a lot of smart basketball minds who work for the team, even some that owner James Dolan hasn’t yet banished at awkward times for unclear reasons. They have mostly drafted well in the bottom half of the first round, even dating to the tenure of He Who Shall Not Be Named. They were among the first half-dozen teams to enter into a single-affiliation arrangement in the D-League, and they’ll own their own team in White Plains, N.Y., starting next season. They were an early adopter of the SportVU data-tracking camera system, and they have smart people who want to use it in smart ways. They check off a lot of the clichéd “smart team” boxes we use to lionize the Spurs and Thunder. They gave Jeremy Lin his NBA chance. There is an infrastructure here.

They have undermined that infrastructure with panicked decision-making that has mostly prioritized immediate winning and the fattening up of Creative Artists Agency clients at the expense of everything else. They are like a person who makes a lot of smart investment decisions, cashes out, and spends everything on delicious cookies.

It is very hard to exceed the salary cap by $30 million, play in this Eastern Conference, and somehow find yourself at 26-40 hoping to snag perhaps the least competitive playoff spot in modern sports history. To do that after sacrificing two future first-round picks, a pile of second-rounders, and any hope of cap flexibility before the summer of 2015 is damn near a piece of modern American art.

The Knicks need normalcy, and to empower the sorts of normal basketball grunts who can restore it. They need to replenish their trove of assets, which means that when Oklahoma City calls offering a 2014 first-round pick for the enervated body of Iman Shumpert, the basketball people have an open discussion and make the final call without the owner vetoing it in a tiff over Raymond Felton’s salary. It means that they don’t give up three draft picks, including a first-rounder, for a very clearly damaging player in Andrea Bargnani simply because CAA preferred it, per Howard Beck.

They need to empower the kinds of people who would have quietly gauged the trade market for Carmelo Anthony a year ago, instead of having ownership preempt the discussion as if Anthony were LeBron James. They need to stand up to agents instead of kowtowing to them. Do you think Danny Ainge sits up at night, worried about what Rajon Rondo’s agent wants? Do you think R.C. Buford loses sleep over agent demands?

Hiring Phil Jackson for $15 million — ending a 30-year, off-and-on, two-way flirtation dating back to Jackson’s time in the CBA — doesn’t preclude the Knicks from doing any of those things. They already have some of the in-house brainpower. Jackson’s salary doesn’t count against the cap or tax, either. It doesn’t hurt to have Phil Jackson around. But the Knicks will only maximize the bang for their buck if they make other wholesale organizational priority shifts.

Henry Abbott of ESPN.com is surely right (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/66619/phil-jackson-doesnt-know-everything) that Jackson doesn’t know the nuances of the new cap-and-tax regime, or exactly what sorts of data he might able to glean from SportVU and the general use of advanced analytics. And that’s fine! The Knicks already have people who can do most of those things, and they have the money to hire many more. Hell, they could hire about 150 such people with the cash they’re paying the Zen Master. They need to make those people matter more than James Dolan in the basketball decision-making process — now, tomorrow, and forever. That has proven the unconquerable challenge. Part of Knicks exceptionalism is the internal view that normal rebuilding procedures and timelines do not apply to New York.

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Speaking of exceptionalism, a brief aside: Kobe Bryant is far too smart to really believe, as he stated Wednesday in a Jackson-related press conference, that the Lakers can rebuild themselves into a contender next season by waving a magic Lakery wand shaped like Flea. The Lakers will have only about $20 million in cap space once you account for Kobe’s ridiculous extension, a likely top-six pick, Steve Nash’s salary, and charges for empty roster spots. That doesn’t include cap holds for outgoing free agents, including Pau Gasol, who remains a valuable player. The Lakers might not even be able to fit Anthony’s max salary should he become a free agent this summer, let alone multiple star-level players.

And if the Lakers do sign a star free agent this summer, they’d have to acquire essentially $0 in 2015-16 salary over the next two years in order to have enough room for the elusive second free-agency star in the more robust 2015 class — a group that could include LeBron, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, and others. The Lakers have had a charmed history, and they are a lock to land at least one desirable free agent in the next two summers. And there are other ways to skin the free-agency cat — trades conducted at gunpoint, sign-and-trade deals, or even trades this summer involving the Lakers’ first-rounder.

But this isn’t going to be angel food cake for the Lakers, and Kobe should know that. A revitalized Dwight Howard was their easiest ticket to another dominant era, and he got the hell out of town the minute he could. And by the way: I keep reading about how everyone but the Magic lost the Howard mega-deal. That’s true in a literal sense. But look at the Magic, and look at what the Lakers gave up for Howard. Orlando is going through what might be a half-decade of pain that comes with losing a top-10 overall player — which is precisely Howard’s status now that he’s back near full health. The Lakers gave up Andrew Bynum, Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts, a second-round pick, and one measly first-round pick. That is a freaking home run. If the downside of the deal is the chance Howard walks for less money in free agency, you make that deal 100 times out of 100.

But Howard did walk, and the recovery process might not be as easy as Bryant thinks it should be. End of aside!

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Bringing Jackson in is more complex, and much more expensive, than the Warriors bringing in Jerry West. Jackson brings the triangle offense, a beautiful and complex machine he will likely try to impose upon the team — a process that could take years until mastery. Some league observers think Jackson would be willing to bend on the triangle — to permit a hybrid offense that incorporates some of its principles, but allows for other stuff that caters to New York’s players.

But I’m not convinced, nor are others familiar with Jackson’s thinking. Just read the guy’s books. The triangle isn’t just a system to him. It is the on-court representation of his philosophical ideals — companionship, teamwork, compassion for others, and the elevation of the whole over the individual. He speaks of the triangle in spiritual terms. So does rumored Jackson coaching candidate Steve Kerr, by the way, as one of the most prominent player voices in Jackson’s recent book Eleven Rings.

This is a guy who once paid all his players on the Albany Patroons the same salary to emphasize the notion of team over self. He used to beat a Native American drum and summon players to the Bulls’ “tribal room” for important meetings. He made teams practice in the dark to acclimate them to chaos. In preseason, he lined his players up along the baseline and spoke to them: “God has ordained me to coach you young men, and I embrace the role I’ve been given. If you wish to accept the game I embrace and follow my coaching, as a sign of your commitment, step across that line.”

There is no irony in any of this. Basketball contains larger truths for Jackson, and the triangle is the key to unlocking those truths. Any team that hires him should be prepared to install it and commit to it.

Anthony is a beautiful scorer, an underrated passer/cutter, and a viciously dangerous catch-and-shoot player. He has the all-around skill set for the triangle, with its cuts, dribble handoffs, and instant reads. He can fit into the Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant pinch post role, directing the offense and making reads from the spot at which those guys made their scoring careers.

The rest of the roster is an awkward triangle fit. Jackson loves big guards, and though neither Tim Hardaway Jr. nor Shumpert is especially huge, both are rangy. Hardaway needs to learn NBA-level defense rather urgently, and every player in the triangle must be able to dribble, pass, and cut in at a level he hasn’t yet shown in a promising rookie year. Shumpert is fascinating in this regard. I’ve often thought about how he might look today had the draft plopped him into Houston’s free-flowing pick-and-roll machine rather than New York’s iso-heavy Melo-centered slogfest. Shumpert has been an uneven ball handler who rarely has a chance to do so, and either handles the ball timidly or at the opposite extreme — in pursuit of a highlight play. It would be interesting to see if he could find a creative middle ground in the triangle.

There isn’t a prototypical triangle big man on the roster, though any team could use a defensive presence like Tyson Chandler. Could the Knicks, armed with only the small taxpayer midlevel exception, persuade Gasol to reunite with Jackson on the cheap next season? Probably not. But a new Jackson-picked coach would at least revamp the Knicks’ broken defense. New York ranks 24th in points allowed per possession after finishing 19th last season, and the team just hasn’t been able to execute Mike Woodson’s complex and switch-heavy schemes. They yield a ton of 3s, foul a lot, and go through periods in which they have zero coherence. They often seem, frankly, poorly prepared for their opponent’s pet sets.

This current five-game winning streak that has vaulted them back into the playoff picture has been nice, and has included some ball movement reminiscent of their best games last season, but it has come against mostly horrible teams, and should carry no weight in determining the franchise’s course after April.

All of this assumes, of course, that Anthony comes back — either for one year under the terms of his player option, via a five-year/$130 million max-level contract, or, in perhaps the happiest scenario for New York, on a new deal that carries a small discount. An extra few million could absolutely matter as the Knicks clear the Bargnani, Chandler, and Amar’e Stoudemire contracts off their books in the summer of 2015 and hungrily look to replenish.

And this is where Jackson’s great value might lie — as a Pat Riley–style free-agency magnet. The NBA is, in some ways, becoming a free-agency league. Contracts are shorter, and more teams are carrying max-level cap room into each summer. What happened in July 2010, the summer of LeBron, is normal now.

The new normal doesn’t apply as much to star players, even acknowledging what Howard did in bolting L.A. for Houston. Stars sign the longest contracts, which means they don’t hit the open market as often, and they have the most incentive to stay with their incumbent teams — extra money, and an extra guaranteed year.

But it applies at least a little. Stars want to play with other stars. They want to win, and reap the fame and critical praise that come with winning. They might even take a tad less money, as the Heatles did in their starting salaries, to make it happen. If the Wolves were a perennial 50-win team with 60-win potential, and Ricky Rubio had made as much progress by now as the franchise had hoped, we would not be hearing constant rumblings that Kevin Love has one foot out the door.

Jackson will figure into the free-agency calculus, and New York, by sheer geographic dumb luck, already starts ahead of almost everyone. But it’s not a fail-safe. If Anthony gets the full max, finding two star-level players in the summer of 2015 will be very difficult and perhaps impossible — even if the Knicks find a way to dump both Felton and J.R. Smith, or at least use the stretch provision on them, in the lead-up to that free-agency bonanza.

And the consolation prize often isn’t very exciting. Some of those mega-stars will stay home, because they’re comfortable on winning teams, and because the collective bargaining agreement incentivizes it. The pool will get thinner than it looks now. If you don’t get that summer’s LeBron, you might have to choose between rolling over the cap space, spending it on a couple of merely “good” players, or splurging on that summer’s Stoudemire. Those are dicey choices made inside the hothouse of free agency. Mistakes can set a franchise back years.

Finishing third or fourth in the free-agency derby generally doesn’t lead to spectacular outcomes. Teams in that spot need to nail everything else — draft picks, savvy trades, international signings, and sub-star free agency. They need Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D. That is where the Knicks have consistently failed.

Jackson alone isn’t going to bring the stuff that helps you nail Plans B-Z in the team-building process. (Note: Chris Smith is Plan Z.) But he could help immensely with Plan A, and if he hires the right coach and empowers the right basketball thinkers, he could enable an important transformation of the team’s on-court culture. He is a big get — a revered legend in the game.

But to really win in the new NBA, the Knicks need to keep investing in the underlying machinery, and somehow get the owner to let that machinery do its proper work.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/phil-jackson-knicks-plan-carmelo-anthony-future/

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59. "I'm going to assume Feel gets to talk to the media at will"
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and has "full autonomy"

anything less and dolan just pissed away 60 million

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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60. "the apparel roll-out is intense for an executive"
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61. "Why steve mills got a mic?"
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62. "Stephen A saying Melo is gone."
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64. "Yeah, saw that yesterday. Would make sense for Melo"
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Who would want to waste a year waiting for all those contracts to come off the books and wait for a team to be constructed that isn't guaranteed to be a championship contender right away.

Still hope he stays but I would totally understand if he bounces.

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65. "yeah i can't blame him either. especially since him getting"
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the mega max from the knicks ain't gonna leave much to improve the team anyway.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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63. "LOL James Dolan is an idiot. Its actually smart that he doesn't"
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talk to the media more often.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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67. "didnt this dude like luke walton so much he got a 7 year deal"
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he sucks as a coach and evaluator of talent

aint no way that dude even watches college hoops

cant believe in 2014 theyre still going on about "he can control egos".... yeah thats really fantastic

  

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68. "does anyone believe he'll be there in 4-5 yrs?"
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i heard that he will only be in NYC twice a month
not sure if that was a joke or not but i could see a desperate ass team like the knicks doing something like that
$12 mil per and i bet he does a worse job than Zeke...watch

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69. "i give him 3 years max and he'll walk away with 50mil."
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71. "and a hell of a book to write."
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70. "this got the potential to be real, real funny"
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phil is the GOAT coach in my eyes but i don't trust him with personnel decisions. his coaching tree is ass.

the way he might fuck up the knicks remotely via satellite is gonna be hilarious

  

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72. "i'm not sure how i Feel about steve kerr."
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74. "I missed the press conference, what are some stupid things Dolan"
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75. "Actually Dolan was on fire...said nothing silly."
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Anyone besides Jim Cleamons.

Woody is finished.

And if Herb survives this, I will be fully convinced that he has pictures of Dolan doing some NNNAASSSTTTYYY R-Kelly type shit!

  

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