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Call It Anything
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"MLB Talk 4/29: TWTW"


  

          

Giancarlo Stanton woke up this weekend and Mariano Rivera is still God.

Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and Colorado are outplaying expectations ~25 games in. The Angels and the Blue Jays are on the other side of the coin.

In the AL, Oakland is raking. Detroit and Boston are striking out 10 per 9 as a team. Baltimore is still inventing ways to win. Like years past, Texas looks like the best team in April but this time they're doing it with an average offense and a lot of pitching.

In the NL, the Central looks like the division to watch this week. Everyone is bunched at the top but they're all playing each other this week.

High profile series this week include Nationals at Braves, Red Sox at Rangers, and Dodgers at Giants.

  

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good thing I kept those expectations tempered
Apr 29th 2013
1
I think the pitching has been ok
Apr 29th 2013
4
      Pitbull Man's late stage Fernando Valenzuela fastball
May 04th 2013
18
Question: Am I the only one enjoying MLB NOW?
Apr 29th 2013
2
I enjoy it more than I should
Apr 29th 2013
3
a stolen technique used to great effect.
Apr 29th 2013
7
that show is tremendous....Brian Kenney is a treasure...
Apr 29th 2013
5
This show has killed my evenings
Apr 29th 2013
8
      lol...damn, dawg
May 04th 2013
19
Who do you side with more on the show? Harold or Brian?
Apr 29th 2013
9
I hate Hawk in general, but TWTW...
Apr 29th 2013
6
rangers!
Apr 30th 2013
10
You're playing us, don't get too excited
May 01st 2013
12
      true but we are stomping a hole in the red sacks
May 04th 2013
21
Dat 'nacion has 7 homers in 7 games
May 01st 2013
11
Joey Bats got the best masking agent in the game.
May 01st 2013
13
Report: Gavin Floyd Could Undergo Tommy John Surgery (swipe)
May 03rd 2013
14
And Jason Motte
May 04th 2013
15
the Cards finally decide to announce what everyone has...
May 04th 2013
20
It's a good season to do it
May 05th 2013
22
good thing B.J. Upton has his little brother to hide behind
May 04th 2013
16
....
May 04th 2013
17
Roy Halladay does not have the will to win
May 05th 2013
23
Worst defense in the league: Your Chicago White Sox!
May 05th 2013
24
CALL IT ANYTHING, PLEASE PICK UP THE COURTESY PHONE
May 10th 2013
25
I think its hilarious that u think the fat upton should have tons of ste...
May 10th 2013
26
Haha, I'm flattered
May 10th 2013
27
nats.
May 10th 2013
28
10 games against bad teams coming up
May 10th 2013
29
I still believe the 'Stros lose a hunnid.. but things are looking up tho
May 10th 2013
30
Remember when CJ Wilson thought he was an ace??
May 12th 2013
31
Those who fancy thyself smarter than me: 7 yrs $41m is a steal for Rizzo
May 13th 2013
32
Manny still being Manny in Taiwan
May 13th 2013
33
literally just about to post this with the exact same subject line
May 13th 2013
34

Dr Claw
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1. "good thing I kept those expectations tempered"
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>The Angels and the Blue Jays are on
>the other side of the coin.

w/o the pitching that usually precludes a breakout season, and all.

  

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4. "I think the pitching has been ok"
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its the hitting and fundamentals that is bothering me....Bone-Face and Izturis are basically the same type of players. Not starters, good bench players with mediocre defence in the middle but the worts part is their bat. JP, Colby and Lind (altho the walks are up) he basically homeruns or strikesouts. Nothing in-between. The team is relying on home runs and not moving guys ahead. Just swinging for the fenses and usually we are getting lame solo shots.

  

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18. "Pitbull Man's late stage Fernando Valenzuela fastball"
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will not play in the AL East

Josh Johnson is already hurt, where have I heard that before?

Ricky Romero being sent down to the minors to overall his mechanics and brought up early because of injuries and naturally still walking 3 people in an inning

R.A. Dickey pitching with pain because there is no else except signing DFA flopsam like Aaron Laffey and Justin Germano to fill the role

You still never know what you will get out of Morrow from start to start

J.A. Happ is it, how sad is that? NOT AS SAD AS THE HITTING which is only better than one team, the Marlins, this year

Trade KKKKKKKolby Rasmus for Elton Brand's bag of dildos

<-Fear Ameer

  

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Wordman
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2. "Question: Am I the only one enjoying MLB NOW?"
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The show with Harold Reynolds and Brian Kenny on MLB Network?


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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Call It Anything
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3. "I enjoy it more than I should"
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Mon Apr-29-13 04:34 PM by Call It Anything

  

          

On paper it seems like a baseball version of PTI/Crossfire which everybody is trying to do now. But it's got some life and the logical reason v. folk reasoning can be entertaining. When Brian isn't there the show suffers immensely.

  

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7. "a stolen technique used to great effect."
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I literally describe the show to friends as "PTI for baseball."
It works really well.
And I like that the rest of the game seems to have taken to it as well. You hear other non-MLBN announcers talk about the show, etc.



"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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5. "that show is tremendous....Brian Kenney is a treasure..."
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them joints STAY in my DVR.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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8. "This show has killed my evenings"
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MLB NOW from 4 - 5.
Action News 5 - 5:30.
PTI 5:30 - 6.
"Oh shit, I forgot to send that email." 6 - 7.
Phillies 7 - 10 (unless Cliff Lee's pitching, then the game's over by 9:30).
"Oh shit, I've been sitting here watching TV since 4!" 10 - 11.
Daily Show 11 - 11:30
Colbert Report 11:30 - 12

And they wonder why the novel's not done.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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19. "lol...damn, dawg"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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9. "Who do you side with more on the show? Harold or Brian?"
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"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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6. "I hate Hawk in general, but TWTW..."
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is some of the dumbest shit ever.

  

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10. "rangers!"
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12. "You're playing us, don't get too excited"
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If our 3rd string 2b picked up off the streets didn't throw that double play ball into the upper deck, the game probably ends differently.

I'm more surprised we were able to do something against Darvish...DeWayne depositing that lame ass slow curve in the seats made me happy for a moment.

  

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21. "true but we are stomping a hole in the red sacks"
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and we could go on a 30 game losing streak and id still be watching every game

  

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11. "Dat 'nacion has 7 homers in 7 games"
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13. "Joey Bats got the best masking agent in the game. "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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14. "Report: Gavin Floyd Could Undergo Tommy John Surgery (swipe)"
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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05/03/report-gavin-floyd-could-undergo-tommy-john-surgery/

Report: Gavin Floyd Could Undergo Tommy John Surgery
May 3, 2013 1:30 PM


(CBS) Five days after the White Sox placed Gavin Floyd on the disabled list with a flexor muscle strain in his right arm, the right-hander could undergo Tommy John surgery.

Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweeted Floyd is “tentatively” planning on having the surgery, which would cost him the rest of the season.

Floyd hasn’t pitched since April 27 and is 0-4 with a 5.18 ERA in five starts this season.

  

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15. "And Jason Motte"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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20. "the Cards finally decide to announce what everyone has..."
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known for a month.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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22. "It's a good season to do it"
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16. "good thing B.J. Upton has his little brother to hide behind"
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.149 / .223 / .277

34 K / 9 BB

7 R / 3 HR / 5 RBI / 3 SB (3 CS)

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17. "...."
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23. "Roy Halladay does not have the will to win"
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24. "Worst defense in the league: Your Chicago White Sox!"
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25. "CALL IT ANYTHING, PLEASE PICK UP THE COURTESY PHONE"
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im sure you have noticed how fucking HARD PAUL GOLDSCHMIDT IS BALLING. if not, i would love to show you.

did you see him single handedly go in to Los Angeles and SHOOT LASERS OUT OF HIS FOREHEAD (c) Dr Evil

should i never have cared that you talked shit about him when you mentioned Upton? i was devastated, as a franchise-long fan of the Snakes, that Upton left town. alas, this is about you saying Upton is WAY BETTER THAN GOLDIE GOLDIE GONE. simply not the case.

Gold leads the National League with 30 RBIs. Upton is 20th with 17.
Upton has scored 6 more runs
Gold has 7 more hits
Gold has 2 more doubles
Upton has a triple
Upton has 3 more home runs
Gold has one more stolen base (which is fucking hilarious btw. a 1st baseman has more steals than a defensive outfielder? hmmm)
Gold has earned 1 more walk
Gold has 1 less strike out
LOOOLLLLLL. Golds Batting Average: .313 THREE THIRTEEN
Uptons batting average is a hilarious .273 <--- damn
Gold OPB: 409
Upton OPB: .379
PHEW, Upton finally has a statistic better: Slugging: .628, Gold is at .578
nearly identical OPS, with Upton having the edge 1.007 over .987

now, what does this tell us?

Goldie is actually ballin harder. JUST ADMIT IT, i spent way too much time on this post for you to not. ADMIT IT.

im glad i have an agenda on OKS. even tho Upton was my favorite player the last few years, he is now a Brave and the Snakes are good again.

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27. "Haha, I'm flattered"
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Goldschmidt has had a great first 5 weeks of the season. He's been one of my favorite hitters to watch in baseball since he came up 2 years ago and I saw him homer off of Tyler Clippard in DC. He kills left-handed pitching and hits ropes.

Justin Upton has cooled off a little while Goldschmidt has hit 4 HRs in the last week. So on the year, the bat is basically a dead heat:

Upton's OPS+ is 168 to Goldschmidt's 163
wOBA .419 to .416

So to your point, sure. Goldschmidt is hitting the ball harder than Justin Upton right now coming off a week where he's hit .400 with 4 HR. He's still not better than Justin Upton though.

Baseball-Reference and Fangraphs use different formulas to calculate value, but they both spit out the same numbers with relations to those two players:

JU - rWAR 2.0, fWAR 2.0
PG - rWAR 1.4, fWAR 1.4

So let's examine some of the differences. Position, obviously is accounted for. As well as defense and baserunning.

Goldschmidt has been good in the field. He's made 73 outs. Dewan has him even going to his right, +2 straight on, and -1 to his left. He's started two double plays when he had and opportunity to start five. +5 on the year. Saved an estimated 3 runs. Top 10 at the position in the league this year.

Upton meanwhile, has really taken well to LF. His arm was never his best tool, so I think it bodes well for him going forward. He's made 63 outs. Dewan has him -1 shallow, +2 medium, and +7 deep. 7 baserunner advancements out of a possibel 14, no kills. Saved an estimated 4 runs. Top 5 at the position in the league for the year. Top 5 LF is more valuable than a Top 10 1B. Fangraphs says that it's about 1.8 fielding runs worth, Baseball-Reference gives it a run after positional adjustment.

As you astutely brought up baserunning, per Baseball Prospectus, Justin Upton has been the 6th most valuable baserunner this year to date. Adding an estimated 2.2 runs with his legs. Goldschmidt has been good too, ranking 28th and adding 1.4. Again good, but not Justin Upton. The biggest difference is the hit advancement opportunities (first to third, first to home, second to home). Upton has had 11 such opportunities to Goldschmidt's 15, but has still been four times more effective in that area.

And then there's the occasional running into an out, which Goldschmidt has done more of this year. For example, last night he drew a lead-off walk in the 4th inning against Cole Hamels in a 0-0 game. Great work there. Then he proceeded to get picked-off.

So purely from a production standpoint at the plate, coin toss thus far. Overall value, Upton in a close but definitive victory. I don't think Goldschmidt's funky reverse platoon splits are going to hold-up at all so far this year.

How do I always end up defending Braves outfielders on this board?

  

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28. "nats."
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thats abt all i gotta say right now


do or die

  

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29. "10 games against bad teams coming up"
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Let's rock

  

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30. "I still believe the 'Stros lose a hunnid.. but things are looking up tho"
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Altuve has a bat... And Carter is showing some life..

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31. "Remember when CJ Wilson thought he was an ace??"
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That's funny

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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32. "Those who fancy thyself smarter than me: 7 yrs $41m is a steal for Rizzo"
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right?

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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33. "Manny still being Manny in Taiwan"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64GyReeD3s&feature=player_embedded#!


edit: also, his team's logo is fucking great: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/EDA_Rhinos_logo.jpg

  

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34. "literally just about to post this with the exact same subject line"
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