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Beamer6178
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"MCU Questions"


  

          

Running through all the movies leading up to Endgame, and watching Thor, Cap, then Avengers, I was confused by the Tesseract's presence.

It is first seen in Thor, which occurs in the 2000s, but it first occurred in MCU in 1940s Europe, and discovered by Stark after WWII. How does it get from SHIELD custody, to Asgard and back to SHIELD? Or is this simply a plot hole?

I have NOT seen Captain Marvel yet, so if it is better explained there, just say "you'll see in Captain Marvel"

  

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It's a plot hole b
Mar 19th 2019
1
But it's not.
Mar 20th 2019
7
      Basically. Fiege don't do plot holes on things that important lol
Mar 22nd 2019
9
           It's mystifying that so many people think it's so complicated
Mar 22nd 2019
10
here
Mar 19th 2019
2
... it's not in Asgard in Thor, though. Shield has it.
Mar 19th 2019
3
so apparently this shit is the casket of winters
Mar 19th 2019
4
      MCU makes Odin look terrible
Apr 07th 2019
12
this didn't happen
Mar 20th 2019
5
And Odin originally hid it in Norway (before any of the movies)
Mar 20th 2019
6
the MCU Wiki site is pretty helpful
Mar 21st 2019
8
It was the CASKET OF WINTERS
Mar 23rd 2019
11

bwood
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1. "It's a plot hole b"
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The tesseract changes hands so much and the timeline that it does is so confusing.

Captain Marvel makes it even more confusing.

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Cold Truth
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7. "But it's not. "
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Wed Mar-20-19 02:30 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

WWII, when Red Skull had it, is before the 90's. Red Skull mentions that this was at one time in Odin's possession.

Stark got it. Stark and Mar-Vel worked on Pegasus together and it's easy to deduce that this is How Mar-Vel got it.

The 90's, when Goose puked it up on Fury's desk, is before the 2000's, and when Fury/SHIELD gets it.

The 2000's is when SHIELD has it.

Loki snatches it from Shield in Avengers, and Thor takes it to Asgard.

Where's the plot hole?

And how is that confusing? It's ridiculously straightforward for so many people to be so befuddled by it.

  

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Heinz
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9. "Basically. Fiege don't do plot holes on things that important lol"
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Cold Truth
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10. "It's mystifying that so many people think it's so complicated "
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Because it has a pretty clear and straightforward timeline.

  

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Selah
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Tue Mar-19-19 05:53 PM

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2. "here"
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Tue Mar-19-19 05:56 PM by Selah

          

(spoilers therein)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT7sXoOQfPc

small errors in the nits, but the order of events (and the overall) timeline is correct

  

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Frank Longo
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Tue Mar-19-19 07:56 PM

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3. "... it's not in Asgard in Thor, though. Shield has it."
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It's in Asgard in Thor 3, but that's because Thor and Loki take it to Asgard after the Avengers.

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Beamer6178
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4. "so apparently this shit is the casket of winters"
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>It's in Asgard in Thor 3, but that's because Thor and Loki
>take it to Asgard after the Avengers.

https://marvel-movies.fandom.com/wiki/Casket_of_Ancient_Winters

the shit looks so much like the Tesseract I thought it was heavy foreshadowing. Ok, that clears that up and actually makes sense, even though it wasn't totally clear how it ended up in Eastern Europe in the first place.

Although, based on bwood's comments, will be interesting to see how Cap Marvel plays it.

  

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12. "MCU makes Odin look terrible"
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Planting the Tesseract on Midgard with minimal security.

Apparently doing a terrible job of raising Loki (LOL)

Apparently also doing a terrible job of raising Hela

Thor himself didn’t pull himself together as mature adult until Thor I at the climax and still made poor decisions like automatically fighting Cap and Tony instead of just talking it out in Avengers LOL

Also knowing Loki could cast illusions, Odin should have had a security protocol to keep Loki from so easily impersonating him


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WarriorPoet415
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5. "this didn't happen"
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How does it get from SHIELD custody, to Asgard
>and back to SHIELD? Or is this simply a plot hole?
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I was in Norway first in the hands of humans who worshipped the Asgardians.

Then taken by Red Skull in the first Cap movie. Then recovered by Howard Stark and used by shield in some capacity up to the 1980's and 1990's where its used in project Pegasus as seen in Captain Marvel.

Then Loki steals it in the first Avengers movie from Shield, after he's defeated in NY, it's in Asgard. Loki takes it before Asgard gets destroyed and then coughs it up to Thanos in Infinity War.

So it went from Norway to Shield to Asgard to Thanos.


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6. "And Odin originally hid it in Norway (before any of the movies)"
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8. "the MCU Wiki site is pretty helpful"
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https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Tesseract

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Project_P.E.G.A.S.U.S.

  

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Beamer6178
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11. "It was the CASKET OF WINTERS"
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It looks a lot like the tesseract in the first Thor. That was the confusion. Once I saw what it was, the rest made sense.

  

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