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go mack
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"Horror franchises with more than 2 good movies"


  

          

I was thinking with all the different horror movie franchises most of them rarely have more than a couple good ones. The first one is almost always the best, a classic or great movie. The 2nd one is usually the next best but inferior to the first and then they churn out worse films until sometimes will put one out a later one that brings back the spirit of the first movie but still doesn't match it.

What are your favorite horror movie series and are there any that don't follow this pattern?

  

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it's horror, so good is relative
Oct 21st 2018
1
There is no need to watch Rob Zombie Halloween 2
Oct 21st 2018
2
I noticed Scream didn't make your list
Oct 22nd 2018
3
it's because i forgot
Oct 22nd 2018
4
I wouldn't put those on the list
Oct 22nd 2018
5
      RE: I wouldn't put those on the list
Oct 22nd 2018
7
Nice reply
Oct 22nd 2018
6
RE: Nice reply
Oct 22nd 2018
9
      With Hellraiser you really only need the first 2
Oct 23rd 2018
13
           RE: With Hellraiser you really only need the first 2
Oct 24th 2018
20
                If you absolutely have to check out another one
Oct 24th 2018
22
RE: it's horror, so good is relative
Oct 22nd 2018
8
RE: it's horror, so good is relative
Oct 22nd 2018
10
      Psycho II & III
Nov 25th 2018
32
Its like you're auditioning for Get Out the Room
Oct 24th 2018
17
      RE: Its like you're auditioning for Get Out the Room
Oct 24th 2018
21
           RE: Its like you're auditioning for Get Out the Room
Oct 24th 2018
23
Alien, Evil Dead
Oct 23rd 2018
11
RE: Alien, Evil Dead
Oct 23rd 2018
12
The Conjuring has 2 great horror films.
Oct 23rd 2018
14
      Duh. Living Dead definitely. 3 maybe 4 good entries
Oct 23rd 2018
15
Theyre showing the OG Night of the Living Dead tonight and tomorrow
Oct 24th 2018
16
You're not wrong about those Paranormal
Oct 24th 2018
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      Was 3 the prequel one?
Oct 24th 2018
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           Yea the one with the little girls
Oct 24th 2018
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Phantasm is one of the movies I regret watching as an adult
Oct 27th 2018
25
And what about Troll and Child's Play/Chucky Franchise?
Oct 27th 2018
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RE: And what about Troll and Child's Play/Chucky Franchise?
Oct 27th 2018
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      I didn’t realize the Troll movies weren’t related
Oct 27th 2018
29
What about Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
Oct 27th 2018
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i wanted to list this one but have only watched two so far
Oct 27th 2018
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      TCM
Oct 27th 2018
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I watched the [rec] movies recently, I'd say 3 of them were good.
Nov 26th 2018
33
1 and 2 are among some of my favs
Nov 28th 2018
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1. "it's horror, so good is relative"
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A Nightmare On Elm Street:
-the original is a ("the") classic, scary and surreal.
-i did eventually see the second, which is alright, but i skipped it for a long time because of its reputation.
-i actually did something i rarely do now and watched the 3rd (Dream Warriors) before the 2nd. this one is very good, great setting, decent scares.
-the first one i ever watched was the one that was new at the time, Wes Craven's New Nightmare. i've been meaning to rewatch it because it builds on the previous films. it did what the director did later with Scream as a metacommentary, which horror as a genre does anyway. it's scary and funny. this and the original i consider my favorites.
-then there's Freddy Vs. Jason. i'm sure most reading this have seen it and have their own opinions. this benefited from seeing on the big screen. i found it very fun and would like to see it again.

Friday The 13th:
-i've seen the first 4. all fine for what they are. this series/character/setup just isn't as clever as the freddy movies nor as beautiful. if the idea of seeing adults playing teenage campers getting slashed up for laughs doesn't repulse you, these fall somewhere in the realm of "good movies."
-Jason Goes To Hell i had to see. it's part 9, and i saw it before parts 2 through 4, mainly because i remember the video box so vividly and loved the premise. i don't put it anywhere above the previous parts.
-Jason X is fucking ridiculous. i found this easy to like because there's just no way to take it seriously, and the change of setting is at least appreciated.
-see comment above re: Freddy Vs. Jason.

Halloween:
-the original is a stone cold, influential classic. it stands above even other horror classics.
-the 2nd, which carpenter had a lot of involvement in but did not direct (except for 2nd unit!), i also liked.
-Halloween III: Season Of The Witch i put off watching for years because it's overall unpopular and doesn't have michael myers. i think the idea was just to have spooky movies under the Halloween banner. i enjoyed this quite a bit actually. if you don't mind that it's a detour, it's worth checking out.
-again probably like a lot of people here, i saw Halloween: H2O in the movie theaters. to date, i haven't seen anything between this and the above. for what it is and its era, i liked it.
-i also saw the rob zombie remake even though i am not a fan of remakes of horror films of relative recent vintage and/or ones that follow so quickly on legitimate sequels. i was surprised how much i enjoyed it even though it has the director's nastiness and brutality that don't jibe with the style of the original, but that's what remakes do, they offer another take. i've been meaning to see the second part.

The Omen:
-the original is considered a classic. it's the only essential one in the series.
-the 2nd and 3rd are pretty good with some dumb parts, and i stopped there.
-i actually ended up seeing the remake first, as a date movie, and i enjoyed it. in hindsight, i don't know that it really adds anything, but i remember liev schreiber being good in it.

Poltergeist:
-the original, again, is another classic.
-part 2 manages not to fuck up exactly. it's worth checking out if you liked the first but isn't essential. you could end the story just with the original movie.
-it would be a huge stretch to call the 3rd movie good. it's notoriously bad. there is enough going on in it to be fun to watch, and the behind the scenes story is fascinating (and sad). you'll know pretty quickly whether it's for you.

Hellraiser:
-the original is beautiful,
-so is the sequel,
-and the third i thought was pretty good. i did stop there. if you like surrealism, these have it and are pretty scary.

The Evil Dead:
-the original is low budget and enjoyable but was rightly "remade" as
-part 2, which is awesome.
-Army Of Darkness is good, a definite departure from the previous, and is widely considered a classic. i'm not quite as big a fan, but it's a fun ride, literally full of quotables and memorable gags.

Phantasm:
-first is very good,
-second a little less good but worth watching,
-third was fine for me to end on and be satisfied with the ones i watched.

Saw:
-i remember seeing the original in the movie theater and thinking it was so inventive, gory, and hard to take my eyes off.
-i saw the 2nd and 3rd parts on cable eventually and didn't really see the point. they were enjoyable enough, but it's more of the same, not unlike the first sequels to Friday The 13th. i personally am not someone who needs to see the same kind of story over and over. i wouldn't mind seeing the rest of the franchise eventually but am in no hurry whatsoever.

Alien:
-these are sci-fi so i won't go into detail, but they are as much horror IMO. excellent series.

  

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2. "There is no need to watch Rob Zombie Halloween 2"
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Good analyses, even though I hate horror franchises.

>A Nightmare On Elm Street:
>-the original is a ("the") classic, scary and surreal.
>-i did eventually see the second, which is alright, but i
>skipped it for a long time because of its reputation.
>-i actually did something i rarely do now and watched the 3rd
>(Dream Warriors) before the 2nd. this one is very good, great
>setting, decent scares.
>-the first one i ever watched was the one that was new at the
>time, Wes Craven's New Nightmare. i've been meaning to rewatch
>it because it builds on the previous films. it did what the
>director did later with Scream as a metacommentary, which
>horror as a genre does anyway. it's scary and funny. this and
>the original i consider my favorites.
>-then there's Freddy Vs. Jason. i'm sure most reading this
>have seen it and have their own opinions. this benefited from
>seeing on the big screen. i found it very fun and would like
>to see it again.
>
>Friday The 13th:
>-i've seen the first 4. all fine for what they are. this
>series/character/setup just isn't as clever as the freddy
>movies nor as beautiful. if the idea of seeing adults playing
>teenage campers getting slashed up for laughs doesn't repulse
>you, these fall somewhere in the realm of "good movies."
>-Jason Goes To Hell i had to see. it's part 9, and i saw it
>before parts 2 through 4, mainly because i remember the video
>box so vividly and loved the premise. i don't put it anywhere
>above the previous parts.
>-Jason X is fucking ridiculous. i found this easy to like
>because there's just no way to take it seriously, and the
>change of setting is at least appreciated.
>-see comment above re: Freddy Vs. Jason.
>
>Halloween:
>-the original is a stone cold, influential classic. it stands
>above even other horror classics.
>-the 2nd, which carpenter had a lot of involvement in but did
>not direct (except for 2nd unit!), i also liked.
>-Halloween III: Season Of The Witch i put off watching for
>years because it's overall unpopular and doesn't have michael
>myers. i think the idea was just to have spooky movies under
>the Halloween banner. i enjoyed this quite a bit actually. if
>you don't mind that it's a detour, it's worth checking out.
>-again probably like a lot of people here, i saw Halloween:
>H2O in the movie theaters. to date, i haven't seen anything
>between this and the above. for what it is and its era, i
>liked it.
>-i also saw the rob zombie remake even though i am not a fan
>of remakes of horror films of relative recent vintage and/or
>ones that follow so quickly on legitimate sequels. i was
>surprised how much i enjoyed it even though it has the
>director's nastiness and brutality that don't jibe with the
>style of the original, but that's what remakes do, they offer
>another take. i've been meaning to see the second part.
>
>The Omen:
>-the original is considered a classic. it's the only essential
>one in the series.
>-the 2nd and 3rd are pretty good with some dumb parts, and i
>stopped there.
>-i actually ended up seeing the remake first, as a date movie,
>and i enjoyed it. in hindsight, i don't know that it really
>adds anything, but i remember liev schreiber being good in
>it.
>
>Poltergeist:
>-the original, again, is another classic.
>-part 2 manages not to fuck up exactly. it's worth checking
>out if you liked the first but isn't essential. you could end
>the story just with the original movie.
>-it would be a huge stretch to call the 3rd movie good. it's
>notoriously bad. there is enough going on in it to be fun to
>watch, and the behind the scenes story is fascinating (and
>sad). you'll know pretty quickly whether it's for you.
>
>Hellraiser:
>-the original is beautiful,
>-so is the sequel,
>-and the third i thought was pretty good. i did stop there. if
>you like surrealism, these have it and are pretty scary.
>
>The Evil Dead:
>-the original is low budget and enjoyable but was rightly
>"remade" as
>-part 2, which is awesome.
>-Army Of Darkness is good, a definite departure from the
>previous, and is widely considered a classic. i'm not quite as
>big a fan, but it's a fun ride, literally full of quotables
>and memorable gags.
>
>Phantasm:
>-first is very good,
>-second a little less good but worth watching,
>-third was fine for me to end on and be satisfied with the
>ones i watched.
>
>Saw:
>-i remember seeing the original in the movie theater and
>thinking it was so inventive, gory, and hard to take my eyes
>off.
>-i saw the 2nd and 3rd parts on cable eventually and didn't
>really see the point. they were enjoyable enough, but it's
>more of the same, not unlike the first sequels to Friday The
>13th. i personally am not someone who needs to see the same
>kind of story over and over. i wouldn't mind seeing the rest
>of the franchise eventually but am in no hurry whatsoever.
>
>Alien:
>-these are sci-fi so i won't go into detail, but they are as
>much horror IMO. excellent series.

  

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3. "I noticed Scream didn't make your list"
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Is that because you don't think the franchise is high quality or you don't consider them horror movies?

  

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4. "it's because i forgot"
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even though i referenced it :/ i remembered it and some others later. i'll add on later so it's not all me.

  

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5. "I wouldn't put those on the list"
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In my opinion the first Scream is the only good one.

  

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7. "RE: I wouldn't put those on the list"
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The 2nd is okay, has some well done stuff and some really stupid stuff but its serviceable and fits with the 1st one pretty well imo

The 3rd was awful, became complete parody at that point and was nearly a Scary Movie even thru in a Jay and Silent Bob cameo if I recall. I never bothered with 4.

  

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I've seen almost all of these but its been 10 to 20 years on some of them so thinking of re-watching. I do remember liking Elm Street 1, 3 and New Nightmare above the others as well and was more into Freddy than Jason.

Phantasm is a personal favorite of mine, one of the first horror movies I remember watching as a kid at a friend's house. The first has aged pretty badly but still enjoyable, 2nd is my favorite.

Halloween I also agree with you on and do want to check out the new one now.

Never saw Hellraiser in all my years so may give it a shot.

  

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>its been 10 to 20 years on
>some of them so thinking of re-watching.

same here!


>I do remember liking
>Elm Street 1, 3 and New Nightmare above the others as well and
>was more into Freddy than Jason.

i appreciate the psychology of freddy instead of the brutishness of jason, but those friday movies have their charm (so to speak). wes craven was also a way better director than sean s. cunningham.


>Never saw Hellraiser in all my years so may give it a shot.

of all of the iconic horror villains, pinhead probably looks the goofiest out of context, which i'm sure throws off a lot of people who might otherwise be interested. the first two films of this series especially have some mesmerizing and deeply unsettling imagery. i was shook when i watched them. the score by christopher young is really good. clive barker directed the first film (his best work as a director) and rejected a score submitted by the industrial electronic group coil as being too disturbing, which is a statement. as much as i like that music, it would have given a different tone, and young's more traditional score lends a majestic and romantic quality that fits perfectly. i should probably watch more in this series. i remember reading about how the director of doctor strange had done a hellraiser, and although i haven't seen it i made the connection in the visual language easily.

  

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13. "With Hellraiser you really only need the first 2"
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3 was ok but not as special as the first 2

The reason they fall off is because the true meaning of why Pinhead (and the cenobites) are even there are drastically changed. They're not originally villains. "You called, we came" as they only arrive when the box is opened. "Angles to some, Demons to others" since Frank opened the box originally to find some sexual pleasure and ended up getting the type of pleasure he didn't sign up for because he didn't understand what the box held. They were just there to answer his request even though that wasn't what he intended. The book is awesome at showing this also.

Part 3 was just Pinhead trying to take over the world for some odd reason and the other sequels were just a cheap cash in on a cool looking character.

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20. "RE: With Hellraiser you really only need the first 2"
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>3 was ok but not as special as the first 2

agreed. i'd forgotten why i didn't like it as much aside the usual sequel critique of diminishing returns, but you reminded me...


>The reason they fall off is because the true meaning of why
>Pinhead (and the cenobites) are even there are drastically
>changed. They're not originally villains. "You called, we
>came" as they only arrive when the box is opened. "Angles to
>some, Demons to others" since Frank opened the box originally
>to find some sexual pleasure and ended up getting the type of
>pleasure he didn't sign up for because he didn't understand
>what the box held. They were just there to answer his request
>even though that wasn't what he intended. The book is awesome
>at showing this also.
>
>Part 3 was just Pinhead trying to take over the world for some
>odd reason and the other sequels were just a cheap cash in on
>a cool looking character.

that's why i stopped there. before i ever started, i knew there were a bunch of sequels that all seemed like, heck, are cheap direct to video fare, which is offputting. still, i'd have to think by this point they could do some cool CGI special effects, no? as well as the engaging story elements you just reminded me of, the visual elements of this franchise are really striking to me. then again, i really love old school makeup and practical effects, so maybe i'll just leave hellraiser there.


>If you're looking to get into more Clive Barker check out his
>Books of Blood series. Great reads.

thank you. i have some barker on my reading list and just haven't gotten to them. i'll make sure to read these; i just saw which of them have been adapted so i already know i like the basics of the stories.

  

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22. "If you absolutely have to check out another one"
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Hellraiser: Bloodline is the best out of the worst of the later movies.

You watch anything other than that one then don't blame me for that time that you'll never get back lol.

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8. "RE: it's horror, so good is relative"
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I'll add a couple more

Psycho - I enjoy these more than I thought I would. The first is obviously classic but II is surprisingly good and III and IV I didn't think were bad either, not sure if its just Perkins as Bates. Also reminds me I still need to check out Bates Motel at some point.

Candyman - big fan of the fist one, anyone recommend the others or should I leave alone?





  

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10. "RE: it's horror, so good is relative"
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>Psycho - I enjoy these more than I thought I would. The first
>is obviously classic but II is surprisingly good and III and
>IV I didn't think were bad either, not sure if its just
>Perkins as Bates. Also reminds me I still need to check out
>Bates Motel at some point.

i revere the original to the point that i never wanted to watch the rest given their reputation and lack of hitchcock, who i love. eventually i read about IV and really want to see that one, but it's a bit elusive to me aside from buying it. on your recommendation perhaps i'll just go in order and get to IV the way i usually prefer. i really like perkins. i've been watching a lot of turner classic movies in recent years and seen a lot more of his lower profile work, all of it good.


>Candyman - big fan of the fist one, anyone recommend the
>others or should I leave alone?

i adore the first one myself. that's another with stunning visuals that gets under my skin. captivating performance by tony todd.

i've always avoided the sequel given its inferior reputation. amazon prime video this month added a jaw dropping amount of horror and thriller movies so i spent a few hours on IMDb deciding which to add to my watchlist. in the end i decided still not to watch farewell to the flesh even though bill condon directed and he went on to do great work.

while i was on IMDb, i saw that jordan peele was rumored to be remaking candyman.

  

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32. "Psycho II & III"
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i was able to see these this weekend and enjoyed them. III is definitely a step down, partly because they dialed up the sex and gore for the era, which this franchise didn't need and famously didn't start with (referring to the illusions of the shower scene in the original), but it certainly had its moments. II was an interesting continuation of and comment on the original story. i also recognized lines throughout both sequels courtesy of prank calls from the holyoutlaws i used to love listening to, bringing out of place humor to certain scenes. still lookin' to see IV.

  

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>A Nightmare On Elm Street:
I've seen all of these.
The first is a classic and is as you've stated.
The second is jacked up for a number of reasons, the main piece being that Robert Englund isn't playing Freddy for half of the film. It completely obscures the rules created in the first one, and is really strange follow up, but has one of the scariest scenes in the entire franchise at the pool.
The 3rd is simply a gem. A really good story with a great cast and creative death scenes. It doesn't hurt that a young Patricia Arquette and my guy Kincaid are holding the young cast together. Excellent film
4th film was doomed before it starts as they couldn't get Patricia Arquette back and starts the film off the wrong way. This is the beginning of the turn for this franchise. Where Freddy goes from straight sadistic killer to funnyman. He's still meanspirited, but but there's so much humor in some of these films moving forward you lose the fear of going to sleep that you have early in the franchise.
The new Nightmare is an incredible film, I don't love Freddy's make-up at the end of the film, but the blending between real world and movie world and the meta take on it are soo good. As you stated early this sets the stage for Scream.
Freddy Vs Jason is fun, it was Directed by Ronny Yu, so it has a lot of those Chinese aesthetics woven through the film. The way people fly through the air and some of the absurdity. Still fun, and the fake Jay and Silent Bob call backs with Monica Keena being the one to actually take folks out was a bit strange, but again it was enjoyable.
The remake was meanspirited, and added some really nice elements. The thing that I say a lot, I say it on the shows when we cover it, they missed a REALLY big opportunity in that they could've made Fred Kreuger innocent. I can only imagine if he didn't actually do it. That would've turned the entire franchise on its ear and we play that out some in one of our episodes when we talk about What would get out the room do. Jackie Earl Haley was actually a really good Freddy Though. Would watch again.
>
>Friday The 13th:
I've seen them all. The Jean Grey phoenix one and everything, i've seen them all. I have a few favorite scenes in this franchise, the way Jason breaks people around trees, or bashes them inside of sleeping bags was ground breaking to me. I still enjoy it tremendously. Dude became superman with a mask though. That takes me out of the films sometimes, but some of those films in the middle 4 and 5 are good, the 2nd is great actually. I honestly think 1-5 are really enjoyable.
The remake has the spirit of the later films where Jason is this unstoppable killing force. Opposed to a really motivated deranged dude. Still fun

>Halloween:
I agree with what you've got here. Season of the witch might be a horror classic regarded differently if it wasn't titled Halloween. Its a really good film, but folks thought MM was supposed to be in it so they didn't give it a chance. I'm not a huge Rob Zombie fan, as I think his films are too dark and the villains are really the heroes of his films. This one was no different.

>
>The Omen:
Good films, none of them are on the level of the first though.

>Poltergeist:
>
Really good stuff here. The young actress that plays Carolanne died after the 2nd film so that sort of shot them in the foot.

>Hellraiser:
>The films fall off after the 2nd, but are still really good visually.

>The Evil Dead:
>Bruce has embraced the silly (To steal from Russell) and it makes these films more enjoyable.

>Phantasm:
>I'm impressed you even brought this up. Fantastic stuff and the Tall man is still something that haunts me.
>
>Saw:
>-The first is clever and really innovative, those thereafter start leaning and eventually go all the way to Torture porn. You CAN KEEP IT>
>
>Alien:
There are horror films, they have jump scares, they have background scares, they are horror films that take place in space. 1 4 starts 2 3.5 stars, it falls off from there. I recently rewatched the 3rd and its better than I gave i credit for. It stays. Prometheus and the 2nd prequel do the entire franchise a disservice.


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21. "RE: Its like you're auditioning for Get Out the Room"
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>The remake was meanspirited, and added some really nice
>elements. The thing that I say a lot, I say it on the shows
>when we cover it, they missed a REALLY big opportunity in that
>they could've made Fred Kreuger innocent. I can only imagine
>if he didn't actually do it. That would've turned the entire
>franchise on its ear and we play that out some in one of our
>episodes when we talk about What would get out the room do.
>Jackie Earl Haley was actually a really good Freddy Though.
>Would watch again.

that is a really intriguing idea. i haven't watched this, even though i like JEH, but i'm more open to it now. i try not to be so dogmatic about remakes, but i'm always hesitant until i start to hear some good things about them.


>>Friday The 13th:
>I've seen them all. The Jean Grey phoenix one and everything,
>i've seen them all. I have a few favorite scenes in this
>franchise, the way Jason breaks people around trees, or bashes
>them inside of sleeping bags was ground breaking to me. I
>still enjoy it tremendously.

yeah, i mean, it's sick stuff, but i can't pretend i don't get a kick out of the creativity. i didn't consciously stop watching after 4, i just haven't filled in the blanks from there yet.


>The remake has the spirit of the later films where Jason is
>this unstoppable killing force. Opposed to a really motivated
>deranged dude. Still fun

something that i try to keep in mind is that jason's origin was that of a victim. same for the later and similar movie The Burning. it brings a tinge of sadness to what plays out on screen for more than just the victims of jason.


>>Poltergeist:
>>
>Really good stuff here. The young actress that plays Carolanne
>died after the 2nd film so that sort of shot them in the foot.

she died after filming principal photography for the 3rd. they couldn't do reshoots and i think had to change the ending drastically. the other part of the story is that on top of her death being tragic and a massive inconvenience, the producers did not think her performance was good in it, so they were in quite a pickle.


>>The Evil Dead:
>>Bruce has embraced the silly (To steal from Russell) and it
>makes these films more enjoyable.

one of the prime movies i just added is Mindwarp, which was released the same year as AoD.


>>Phantasm:
>>I'm impressed you even brought this up. Fantastic stuff and
>the Tall man is still something that haunts me.

boy...


>>Saw:
>>-The first is clever and really innovative, those thereafter
>start leaning and eventually go all the way to Torture porn.
>You CAN KEEP IT>

that's sort of what i figured. not into that either.


>>Alien:
>There are horror films, they have jump scares, they have
>background scares, they are horror films that take place in
>space.

you are right.


>1 4 starts 2 3.5 stars, it falls off from there. I
>recently rewatched the 3rd and its better than I gave i credit
>for.

i recently bought the 3rd because i read about the workprint version included. i only saw the theatrical years ago and am excited to see what the other cut offers.

  

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23. "RE: Its like you're auditioning for Get Out the Room"
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>that is a really intriguing idea. i haven't watched this, even
>though i like JEH, but i'm more open to it now. i try not to
>be so dogmatic about remakes, but i'm always hesitant until i
>start to hear some good things about them.
>
Thi is worth the watch, you'll see what i mean about where they missed an opportunity.

>yeah, i mean, it's sick stuff, but i can't pretend i don't get
>a kick out of the creativity. i didn't consciously stop
>watching after 4, i just haven't filled in the blanks from
>there yet.
>
Oh you've got to finish them, Jason in New York is incredible. A black dude in a sergio Sweat Suit going toe to toe with Jason (I think we know how this played out)
>
>something that i try to keep in mind is that jason's origin
>was that of a victim. same for the later and similar movie The
>Burning. it brings a tinge of sadness to what plays out on
>screen for more than just the victims of jason.

Exactly, that's why his moms is the way she was and why he does the things he does.

>>>Poltergeist:
>
>she died after filming principal photography for the 3rd. they
>couldn't do reshoots and i think had to change the ending
>drastically. the other part of the story is that on top of her
>death being tragic and a massive inconvenience, the producers
>did not think her performance was good in it, so they were in
>quite a pickle.
>
Basically she grew up to be not a great actress.
>
>one of the prime movies i just added is Mindwarp, which was
>released the same year as AoD.
>
>Its a wild film, but I think you'll enjoy it.

>
>i recently bought the 3rd because i read about the workprint
>version included. i only saw the theatrical years ago and am
>excited to see what the other cut offers.

Its a better explanation, but the biggest miss on this film is killing these incredible characters off screen. There's so much momentum following Aliens that to simply not allow them space to tell that story is a miss.


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11. "Alien, Evil Dead"
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Alien has two great movies, and then most people will pick one of the rest as a "good" movie although it will probably not be the same one for a lot of people. I thought Prometheus was "good." Alien 3 is "almost good."

Evil Dead has the first two and Army of Darkness (not scary but good), and I know some people really liked the remake. Honestly, Army of Darkness is the only one I've seen.

I enjoyed two of the paranormal activity movies in the theater (1 and 3), although I'd never watch them any other way. The second one was okay in a theater full of people but not quite good.

The Conjuring universe just needs to produce one more good movie to crack 3, imo.

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12. "RE: Alien, Evil Dead"
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I've only seen the first Conjuring and first PA. I prob enjoyed Conjuring more of those 2, def liked the throwback feel of it. Is Conjuring 2 considered the other good one?

Insidious is another current series I haven't checked out at all.

  

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14. "The Conjuring has 2 great horror films. "
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The ending of Insidious for some reason made me so mad I decided to not even check for the others. I really need to go bac and rewatch but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

The Evil Dead
This movie Fucked. Me. Up. As a kid
I don't know why my parents let me watch this shit! It stays as one of my favorite horror films of all times. The Evil Dead 2 was a bit of horror/comedy and if you find yourself confused at the start its because they use the first few minutes to recreate the first movie since they had a bigger budget. Army of Darkness isn't really that scary but a cult classic to me. This series has one of the best horror remakes to me also.

George Romeros Living Dead series is great for the first 3. (Night, Dawn, Day). Dawn of the Dead (original) is one of my favorite horror films also, probably top 5. The 90s remake of Night of the Living Dead honestly edges out the original for me. The 2000s remake od Dawn of the Dead is a hell of a horror film also and had a fucking intense opening.

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15. "Duh. Living Dead definitely. 3 maybe 4 good entries"
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>The ending of Insidious for some reason made me so mad I
>decided to not even check for the others. I really need to go
>bac and rewatch but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
>
>The Evil Dead
>This movie Fucked. Me. Up. As a kid
>I don't know why my parents let me watch this shit! It stays
>as one of my favorite horror films of all times. The Evil Dead
>2 was a bit of horror/comedy and if you find yourself confused
>at the start its because they use the first few minutes to
>recreate the first movie since they had a bigger budget. Army
>of Darkness isn't really that scary but a cult classic to me.
>This series has one of the best horror remakes to me also.
>
>George Romeros Living Dead series is great for the first 3.
>(Night, Dawn, Day). Dawn of the Dead (original) is one of my
>favorite horror films also, probably top 5. The 90s remake of
>Night of the Living Dead honestly edges out the original for
>me. The 2000s remake od Dawn of the Dead is a hell of a horror
>film also and had a fucking intense opening.

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16. "Theyre showing the OG Night of the Living Dead tonight and tomorrow"
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A Regal Theater thing..


https://www.fathomevents.com/events/night-of-the-living-dead-50th-anniversary

I may go see it again




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18. "You're not wrong about those Paranormal"
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1 and 3 are legit good.

3 might be my favorite of the bunch.

I enjoyed both of the Conjurings, found them to be scary and great to introduce so many demonic spirits.

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19. "Was 3 the prequel one?"
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Cause yeah that shit was good, probably the best.

4 was awful and from there they were just meh.

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24. "Yea the one with the little girls"
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I really enjoyed that one.

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25. "Phantasm is one of the movies I regret watching as an adult"
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Scared the shit out of me as a kid though.

As for the Hellraiser franchise, I remember when they filmed Hellraiser 3 in Greensboro, NC, where I was in college. That's when I knew the franchise was going downhill, lol. There's an article from last year that discusses the filming. It's all over the place, but it did mention at one time, Greensboro was the strip club capital of the south due the furniture market (!!!). Swipe below if you're interested...

http://yesweekly.com/hellraiser-on-elm-street-an-oral-history-of-locally-filmed-horror/

Hellraiser on Elm Street: An oral history of locally-filmed horror
Ian McDowell
*Editor’s note: After this article appeared, Peter Atkins wrote the following in an email, “The budget was certainly low, but it was WAY more than $50,000. My memory is that the budget for the NC shoot was about $1.2 mil, with something like another $300,000 spent on post-production.”

“Pinhead’s here,” my friend Julia said one night 26 years ago in Greensboro.

I scanned the crowded Rhinoceros Club and asked if she meant the bartender or her boyfriend. The former was someone we argued politics with. The latter was a tall man whose tiny noggin amused our vicious circle.

“No, asshole, the guy with nails in his head from Hellraiser!”


She meant Doug Bradley, the British actor best known as the nail-studded Lord of Pain and Pleasure horror fans dubbed Pinhead. Bradley had played Pinhead in 1987’s Hellraiser and its 1989 sequel Hellbound: Hellraiser 2, both shot in England. He was in Greensboro working on Hellraiser 3: Hell on Earth. The previous films took place in a sort-of London full of British actors with dubbed American accents. Now, to paraphrase the Leonard Cohen song Don Henley slaughtered at Bill Clinton’s inauguration, the Hellraiser demonology was coming to the USA.

Julia pointed at a mild-looking man I recognized without his makeup, due to his having reverted to human form at the end of Hellraiser 2. As John Hammer poured whiskey, Freddie Krueger’s latest rival endured the enthusiasm of a local magician, who inexplicably babbled about Star Trek while producing a shilling from Bradley’s ear. The British coin suggested the prestidigitating Trekkie had come looking for the actor. Me, too. I wanted to interview Bradley for an article I hoped to sell to the magazine Fangoria.

That never happened. The bemused Brits button-holed by the shilling-twirling Tarheel included not only Bradley, screenwriter Peter Atkins and publicist Stephen Jones, but an Atlanta-based journalist Fangoria had flown down to cover the shoot. Interrupting their Trekkie tormenter, I introduced myself by saying Neil Gaiman told me to say hi.

The creator of Sandman and future best-selling author of “American Gods” had known them since his early days in journalism. Then still living in the UK, Gaiman had recently flown to North Carolina’s DEG studios to meet producers interested in “Good Omens,” the 1990 novel he had co-written with Terry Pratchett. Over surf-n-turf in Wilmington, he told me that his old mates would be filming in Greensboro and I should look them up.

While I never got to interview Bradley, Atkins and Jones declared any friend of Neil’s a friend of theirs, making us welcome at the downtown shoots and the Rhino afterward. I became particular friends with Atkins, with whom I’d exchange letters and phone calls for years before we lost touch for no good reason. This article has gotten us back in contact.

Atkins took an active part in the filming of Hellraiser 3 that might not have happened in Hollywood, where it’s uncommon for the writer to be involved in the filming. “I was originally only going to be there for two weeks prep before the cameras rolled,” he wrote in a recent email. “But Tony Hickox (director), brought on to direct at very short notice after the producers fired Tony Randel (Atkins’ friend from the old days in Liverpool who’d directed Hellraiser 2), wanted to keep me there.”

When told there wasn’t enough money in the budget to do that, the director cast Atkins in the small role of the bartender transformed into a “Cenobite,” as the S&M demons who made their film debut in writer/director Clive Barker’s 1987 Hellraiser were called. “I’m sure the producers were very grateful once I nobly took on the job of casting strippers from the club next door for our Boiler Room sequences,” he wrote.

Hellraiser 3 premiered in the United States on Sept. 11, 1992. Domestically, it earned $12,534,961 on a cost of approximately $50,000. It was the first release by the Weinstein Company’s Dimension Films, but none of the cast or crew had any contact with Harvey Weinstein. Atkins said the film was, “so successful in terms of production costs versus Box Office returns that Miramax, who’d come in only as distributors after we’d made the movie, bought ownership of the franchise from producer Larry Kuppin and commissioned Hellraiser 4.”

I asked Atkins if he remembered something he said one time at the Rhino when he quipped, “I never thought filming in North Carolina meant dealing with the Mafia.” Being British, he pronounced the “a” as in “math.”

In the ‘90s, money flowing from the High Point International Furniture Market made Greensboro the strip club capital of the South. A Triad restaurant owner capitalized on this by opening several clubs, one of which was where Atkins held auditions. Shortly into the process, he said he received a message that the owner was angry he’d not come downstairs and introduced himself. “What’s the matter with you, you come to my place but don’t pay me respect?” he described the owner saying.

Answering my recent email question about this, Atkins said it was not a shake-down, but a friendly warning by a man who said he didn’t want to see his employees exploited. Regardless of whether that now-deceased restaurateur had mob ties, his longtime reputation for being “connected” was something he actively encouraged as a way of seeming more intimidating.

In that email, Atkins recalled the club owner as “a very interesting fellow” and wrote that despite “the secret that everyone in town seemed to know,” he was friendly and generous. “I had a couple of private dinners with him, and he reminded me of some ‘self-made men’ I’d known in Liverpool, so we got on fine.”

I told Atkins I recalled him being bemused that he couldn’t buy alcohol on a Sunday, but could purchase a pistol at the gun show near the Howard Johnson’s where the crew was housed. He replied that the High Point Gun Show seemed bizarre to him then, if less so now that he has in-laws who own a horse farm in Georgia. But, he said, it “didn’t faze” Hickox. He recalled Hickox buying the film’s heroine Terry Farrell, whom Hickox was dating and who would go on to play Jadzia Dax in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, “a small pearl-handled revolver” as a romantic gesture. “Because flowers were a little conventional.”

Atkins wasn’t the only member of the crew who unexpectedly found himself playing a hell-spawned Cenobite. That also happened to Eric Willhelm, now a Charlotte-based sound engineer, who was studying film at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. Besides being a student, Willhelm delivered pizza for Domino’s. In a Facebook message, he wrote that his boss was a film buff “entranced” by the idea of a Hellraiser movie happening here. “One day he told me there was an open call for extras for a bar scene, and asked if I wanted to be one,” wrote Willhelm, saying that it seemed a vicarious thrill on his boss’s part. “He even let me take off work!”

Willhelm showed up at the shoot, where he was approached by two crew members asking his height and weight. When he told them, they asked if he wanted to be a Cenobite.

“I wasn’t even sure what a Cenobite was, but I said yes!”

He said the actor playing the club DJ, who was resurrected as a Cenobite with CDs sticking out of his head, had left town before his post-transformation scenes. “They had the suit already made for him, and now he was gone.”

In one scene, the Cenobite whom fans would call “CD Head” (there’s even a trading card of Willhelm labeled that) walks out of the club in High Point, pulls a CD out of his head, and throws it into the head of a cab driver in Greensboro.


Hickox told Wilhelm to hurl the CD directly at the camera, but, Willhelm said, “you can’t really throw a CD in a straight line.” Plus, he could barely see in the makeup. “So I take the CD and throw it, and it totally beans the director in the face! I can still smell and feel that costume,” wrote Willhelm. “It was really tight and cumbersome.” It was now the beginning of October, and there was an early chill in the air. “You would think the costume plus makeup would keep me warm, but it didn’t.” He added that he’d hoped that he could keep the costume and wear it on Halloween, but “no such luck.”

Willhelm was paid $400. “In cash, under the table,” he told me in a Facebook message. Even though he ended up on a trading card, on the cover of Fangoria magazine, and as an action figure. “All in a day’s work for an underpaid pizza delivery boy,” he wrote.

Some locals were paid less and had less fun. Allison Malloy was working at Traxion Studios while finishing her degree at UNCG when she heard that the production needed extras. The instructions were simple. Bring or wear a “sexy/shiny” evening or cocktail dress and come in makeup. There was no compensation, but being a big fan of the series, she came.

She wrote me that she “was struck by how run-down and sketchy the set seemed; I’m wondering if it was filmed at one of those empty places used for the furniture market.” The person in charge of extras chose a dress, and she changed and sat in a chair and waited to be called. After an inspection, she joined a group placed at various tables in what was supposed to be a restaurant. “There was half-cooked food on plates and water in glasses, and we were told to wait.”

She wrote that the scene was very different in real life than it looked in the movie, where it’s an elegant restaurant with a string ensemble playing while women dance behind screens. On set, they danced to Van Halen while the diners were “ate” and “talked” without making a sound.

Star Terry Farrell entered with “the soap opera actor who played J. P. the Club Owner” (Kevin Bernhardt, who played Kevin O’Connor on General Hospital and Father McBride on Dynasty).

“They did their lines several times, with the extras pretending to talk and eat and the string ensemble pretending to play and the dancers dancing,” she said. Malloy said her main memory is of how famished she was. “Staring at half-cooked food would gross out most people, but made me hungry. They had a popcorn maker, and now whenever I think about or see any part of any Hellraiser movie, I smell popcorn.”

Atkins and Jones were the ones I hung out most with while the film was shooting in Greensboro, and both of them wrote that they have fond memories of the area, emphasizing how struck they were by its beauty.

Those interested in reading fine horror fiction should check out the award-nominated “Rumors of the Marvelous” by Atkins, his collection of short stories that’s available on Kindle and in paperback from Amazon. Jones has long been one of the premier editors in the field of horror fiction. You can’t go wrong with any of his “Best New Horror” anthologies, but locals might want to start with “Best New Horror 7,” as it contains the last known fiction written by Greensboro’s Jane Rice.

The second night I saw Doug “Pinhead” Bradley at the Rhino, he said “thanks for rescuing us from that horrid magician chap.” The last time I saw him was five years later, at a comic book convention in Charlotte. The guy running it had won the Florida lottery and spent much of it restocking the guest lounge with free top-shelf liquor every hour. Over a bottle of Macallan, Bradley claimed this was his first time in North Carolina, insisting Hellraiser 3 had been filmed in Australia.

Before I could argue, a scantily-clad green woman accidentally tipped an enormous framed painting of a bare-chested and kilted character from Star Trek onto the aging actor who played him. When I turned back around, Bradley and the bottle were gone. To this day, I don’t know if he was having me on.

Ian McDowell is the author of two published novels, numerous anthologized short stories, and a whole lot of nonfiction and journalism, some of which he’s proud of and none of which he’s ashamed of.

  

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26. "And what about Troll and Child's Play/Chucky Franchise?"
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They remade those so many times, someone had to like them right? I tapped out after the first Child's Play. Couldn't get through Troll at all.

Also, is Final Destination considered a horror franchise?

  

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27. "RE: And what about Troll and Child's Play/Chucky Franchise?"
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>They remade those so many times, someone had to like them
>right? I tapped out after the first Child's Play.

i stopped after part 2, which i didn't think was good. after Dae021 mentioned ronny yu upthread, i checked to see what i'd seen and not seen that he directed and noticed he did Bride Of Chucky (1998). i like jennifer tilly, and i'm sure the romance angle added something to this franchise, but i never watched. i did have a promotional bumper sticker for one of these movies on the outside of my bedroom door growing up (this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Childs-Play-2-Chucky-Vintage-Bumper-Sticker-/111484240684).


>Couldn't get through Troll at all.

without checking, i think there were only 2 of these. i've seen both. they are regularly listed as notorious turkeys. julia louis-dreyfus appears in troll 1. troll 2 was an unrelated movie called goblins with its name changed for marketing.


>Also, is Final Destination considered a horror franchise?

i think it's definitely part of the newer, late '90s and early '00s (post-Scream) era of horror. i had no interest in this series for the longest time. i saw Urban Legend in college and decided i wasn't interested in what was being called horror at this time. john waters highly recommends FD 1-3 so i added them to my list to see (haven't yet).

  

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29. "I didn’t realize the Troll movies weren’t related "
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>without checking, i think there were only 2 of these. i've
>seen both. they are regularly listed as notorious turkeys.
>julia louis-dreyfus appears in troll 1. troll 2 was an
>unrelated movie called goblins with its name changed for
>marketing.
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After doing some investigative Wikipedia research, I see this was a convoluted mess.

  

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28. "What about Texas Chainsaw Massacre?"
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the original is still a favorite. I think I've seen a couple others including the reboot, not sure if they are worth watching yet or just stick with the original.

  

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30. "i wanted to list this one but have only watched two so far"
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>the original is still a favorite.

the original is one of my very favorite horror movies. years later i watched the 2nd movie and was surprised how much i like it. i have the 3rd in my queue. it's considered a step down, but i expect i will like it because it has viggo mortensen and he's great. i also expect i'll probably stop after that.

  

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31. "TCM"
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First is a classic. Watching it now I can't appreciate it by today's standards. I have to remind myself that back then this type of horror was unheard of but watching it now it's just not as bad to me. I still consider it a classic for what it did for the genre. Second movie had a lot of comedy elements. The third movie was ok.

Skip "The Next Generation" unless you hate yourself. It's batshit insane and hardly makes sense at all.

The early 2000s remakes were actually good I think. The first one and its prequel "The Begining" are really decently and honestly some of the best. Anything after that is pretty bad and should be avoided.

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33. "I watched the [rec] movies recently, I'd say 3 of them were good."
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1, 2, and 4.

3 had it's fun parts but I didn't need to see the disease's origin story.

  

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34. "1 and 2 are among some of my favs"
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I love how they flow together with part 2 happening about less than an hour of the ending of 1. Shit was intense too! I agree that part 3 wasn't really that good so I usually tell people to avoid or or watch it after 1,2, and 4 since those are fit the timeline and make the most sense. 3 can be watched as a side movie that doesn't have anything in common with the rest, or totally ignored all together.

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