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DJR
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"Better Call Saul Season 4"


  

          

Premieres August 6th! Can’t wait.

  

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First time through I thought season 3 was the best yet
Jul 09th 2018
1
thank goodness. i've been wondering when that was coming back.
Jul 12th 2018
2
Cant wait!
Jul 12th 2018
3
Tonight’s Da Night
Aug 06th 2018
4
correction- 9 PM Eastern
Aug 06th 2018
6
TODAY?!
Aug 06th 2018
5
Already ?!?!
Aug 13th 2018
22
Saul whistling without a care just like Walt after the kid on the bike
Aug 06th 2018
7
I think Mike really just wants to do his "job"
Aug 07th 2018
9
Yeah, that's how i took it
Aug 07th 2018
12
good first episode.
Aug 07th 2018
10
I thought the same for a split second lol
Aug 07th 2018
18
RE: good first episode.
Aug 08th 2018
19
Yea I thought so too and I'm sure that was done on purpose.
Aug 13th 2018
24
clearly on purpose. house/roof looked like the pizza roof
Aug 17th 2018
58
Great catch !
Aug 13th 2018
23
I thought he wanted to have his face known around the office
Aug 13th 2018
27
      Nope you were right.
Aug 13th 2018
29
"Ehrmantraut, Security Consultant"
Aug 07th 2018
8
I loved the Gene stuff
Aug 07th 2018
13
      Yeah, the Gene stuff was gold
Aug 07th 2018
15
           Knew I recognized him.
Aug 13th 2018
25
They're doing that Low Winter Sun shit with Lodge 49
Aug 07th 2018
11
Ha. I said the exact same thing to my wife
Aug 07th 2018
14
Does AMC do this with other shows?
Aug 07th 2018
16
      Ha. No idea. Never watched the Walking Dead shows
Aug 07th 2018
17
      Kinda
Aug 08th 2018
20
           At least Walking and Talking Dead are related
Aug 08th 2018
21
Doggggggggg same exact deal.
Aug 13th 2018
26
Same thing On Demand
Aug 30th 2018
84
God DAMN, Kim.
Aug 13th 2018
28
Ride or die Kim.
Aug 13th 2018
30
It's looking like the transition to Saul will be almost instantaneous.
Aug 14th 2018
31
      Word I'm with you.
Aug 14th 2018
32
      RE: Word I'm with you.
Aug 14th 2018
33
           Yea I anticipate a split 5th season cause that's the BS they all do now ...
Aug 14th 2018
34
           It's too big a coincidence that Kim grew up...
Aug 14th 2018
35
                Oh shit - wow. Didn't even think of that. That'd be kind of dope.
Aug 14th 2018
36
           Saul, Gus, and Mike didn’t become part of Breaking Bad until late seas...
Aug 14th 2018
39
                Saul showed up pretty early on the timeline.
Aug 15th 2018
45
                Right, I said late season 2 but it got cut off
Aug 15th 2018
47
                     word.
Aug 15th 2018
49
                          They’ve done a good job telling Nacho’s story
Aug 15th 2018
50
                               Agree wholeheartedly.
Aug 15th 2018
51
                               Yeah Michael Mondo is quietly killing it
Aug 15th 2018
52
                                    I think it's super cool how he launched his career
Aug 20th 2018
59
                BB seasons 1-5 are one year
Aug 15th 2018
46
                     Ok, thanks
Aug 15th 2018
48
      Yeah the Kaylee thing is a bit odd to me
Aug 15th 2018
42
Yep, she blew my head off with that.
Aug 14th 2018
38
And the emotion in her voice was like nothing we'd ever heard from her.
Aug 14th 2018
40
just now going through S4. That was Tony/Carmella breakup status
Feb 16th 2020
174
Did he blow off the sales rep job just because he saw the Hummels?
Aug 14th 2018
37
He thought they were chumps
Aug 15th 2018
41
good call on his dad
Aug 15th 2018
43
That actually WAS a great display of skills neccessary to be
Aug 15th 2018
56
      It seemed to be a twofold thought process for Jimmy
Aug 15th 2018
57
I don't think Lydia was necessarily wrong
Aug 15th 2018
44
Refresh my memory. There was a similar showdown last season right?
Aug 15th 2018
53
correct, here’s the scene
Aug 15th 2018
54
      nice! Gus playing that good chess
Aug 15th 2018
55
Very entertaining episode!
Aug 20th 2018
60
i thought the twins were going to notice how decomposed the body was
Aug 21st 2018
61
Was thinking that too. Or that they'd notice how strategically ...
Aug 21st 2018
62
Nothing convenient about a gut shot
Aug 21st 2018
64
      Haha - nothing convenient about any gun shot.
Aug 21st 2018
72
they always look suspicious
Aug 21st 2018
69
Ah, so this is where Gus connects with the Phoenix guys.
Aug 21st 2018
63
I read that the guy who stole that shit for Saul becomes owner of
Aug 21st 2018
65
Well, that answers my question.
Aug 21st 2018
67
yup. i didn't see this when i answered the other reply
Aug 21st 2018
70
Ah, Declan and them. Good catch
Aug 21st 2018
71
So is the guy who stole the Hummel one of the "exterminators"?
Aug 21st 2018
66
Yup that was the Vamanos pest boss
Aug 21st 2018
68
is Jimmy just regressing?
Aug 22nd 2018
73
Is the man listening? Privacy sold here.
Aug 28th 2018
74
good episode, a lot happened.
Aug 28th 2018
75
Nacho’s expressions when he realized the twins were going in....
Aug 28th 2018
76
      The Murder Twin's expression when Nacho called that place a fortress
Aug 28th 2018
79
           Ha, that too
Aug 29th 2018
82
Any idea what the job for Mike is going to be?
Aug 28th 2018
77
      Not sure but it’s gotta be related to what he told Nacho, right?
Aug 28th 2018
78
I have to refresh on Mike/Nacho's intreactions
Aug 29th 2018
80
Mike was going to kill Hector Salamanca....
Aug 29th 2018
81
      thanks, man. I've forgotten a lot.
Aug 30th 2018
83
That flash forward was something else!
Sep 04th 2018
85
Also the French guy..
Sep 04th 2018
86
      Good point.
Sep 05th 2018
87
Best ep. of the season so far. It's a good spot to do a time jump
Sep 05th 2018
88
One of my favorite in the series
Sep 05th 2018
89
Yep. One of mine as well.
Sep 05th 2018
90
Wasn't thorough enough.
Sep 05th 2018
91
Haha you nearly nailed it. There's your time jump.
Sep 18th 2018
111
This season is spectacular so far.
Sep 06th 2018
92
Wait - expound on this, if you would.
Sep 06th 2018
93
      RE: Wait - expound on this, if you would.
Sep 07th 2018
94
      Maybe it was the 4th amendment,
Sep 07th 2018
95
           Yea 4th would make more sense but either way ...
Sep 07th 2018
96
Yeah, Kim was acting shady this episode
Sep 11th 2018
97
hmmm...i didn't read it that way at all
Sep 11th 2018
98
Yea well said on both points.
Sep 11th 2018
100
      right? lol
Sep 11th 2018
102
I saw that differently.
Sep 11th 2018
99
i guess they want to hammer the point of Hector being Gus' weakness
Sep 12th 2018
106
      Oh for sure. Agreed.
Sep 12th 2018
107
           I hear you
Sep 12th 2018
108
the cold open adds to his let down
Sep 12th 2018
109
      Ah great call.
Sep 12th 2018
110
      damn she's replace Chuck as his excuse to break bad
Sep 18th 2018
112
Just read Sepinwall's recap of this week's ep and ...
Sep 11th 2018
101
i don't really have an issue with any of this...
Sep 11th 2018
103
      Matter fact I don't think those are Mike's "Guys"
Sep 11th 2018
104
           yeah i dont think they are either...
Sep 12th 2018
105
Alright....WHERE IS NACHO??!
Sep 18th 2018
113
Gus: "Yup he's in there. You can go home now, doc"
Sep 20th 2018
114
Yes he plays the always-menacing part masterfully.
Sep 20th 2018
115
Made me think about Walt wanting/expecting Jesse
Sep 20th 2018
116
      Ahahaha. Totally forgot about that. Great point.
Sep 21st 2018
117
I thought the last guy was Beaver til they showed his face
Sep 21st 2018
118
Lmao @ Beaver
Sep 21st 2018
119
      LOL i forgot Walt called him that
Sep 25th 2018
129
           deep cuts
Oct 02nd 2018
133
                LOL
Oct 02nd 2018
140
gus decided his rehab had proceeded just far enough.
Sep 22nd 2018
121
Breaking Bad re-watch after BCS
Sep 22nd 2018
120
The Kim/Jimmy rekindle was great fan-service but ...
Sep 25th 2018
122
LOL. Dude, that's not fan service. That's character development
Sep 25th 2018
123
      For the record I didn't mean that in a derogatory way.
Sep 25th 2018
124
           For the record, I didn't mean to imply that you thought this:
Sep 25th 2018
125
                Yup. i love what they're doing with her
Sep 25th 2018
128
                For the record I agree entirely.
Sep 25th 2018
130
                Yup this makes things so interesting
Sep 25th 2018
131
Other thoughts.
Sep 25th 2018
126
!!
Sep 25th 2018
127
that argument was brutal!
Oct 01st 2018
132
yeah...you could tell Jimmy was just projecting...
Oct 02nd 2018
134
      In this case, they were both right.
Oct 07th 2018
152
Couple of things....
Oct 02nd 2018
135
Think it was 10 months.
Oct 02nd 2018
136
i get that i just didn't get whether there was an actual point
Oct 02nd 2018
137
      Other than to help her client get what they wanted ? I guess not.
Oct 02nd 2018
138
      ok so the client wanted the room increase and...
Oct 04th 2018
142
           Gotcha. No I think they weren't gonna allow a room increase at all.
Oct 04th 2018
144
                Was this the thing that the Mesa Verde boss asked for last minute...
Oct 04th 2018
145
                     Good point and I thought of that but wasn't sure ...
Oct 04th 2018
147
      seemed like it was just a chance to flex the scam skills AND...
Oct 02nd 2018
139
It was alluded to in the last ep.
Oct 07th 2018
154
why does head German think
Oct 02nd 2018
141
must be something else going on with him...
Oct 04th 2018
143
yeah seemed to be some kind of breakdown, but..
Oct 04th 2018
146
      i don't know...that was a pretty elaborate escape...
Oct 04th 2018
148
      RE: yeah seemed to be some kind of breakdown, but..
Oct 04th 2018
149
RE: why does head German think
Oct 05th 2018
150
i'm honestly surprised it became a whole storyline...
Oct 05th 2018
151
They've been hinting at him breaking down for a few eps now
Oct 07th 2018
153
      yeah i figured he hung himself or something...
Oct 08th 2018
155
           Same....he had that glazed over look on his face
Oct 08th 2018
156
Finale.
Oct 08th 2018
157
Jimmy and Mike both crossed lines that can’t be uncrossed
Oct 08th 2018
158
Yea and we knew and dreaded that it was coming.
Oct 08th 2018
159
I liked it. we knew what was coming and it still managed
Oct 08th 2018
160
S'all good, man. No other ending would have made sense
Oct 09th 2018
161
I think maybe just the cheesy finger point "s'all good man !" ..
Oct 09th 2018
162
      I agree that I would have enjoyed more Nacho this season
Oct 09th 2018
165
           Yea the lack of Nacho would be my only true "complaint" I think.
Oct 09th 2018
168
over all not as tight as previous season but still great...
Oct 09th 2018
163
initially the ending had me like "that's it?"
Oct 11th 2018
171
      That's a really, really great point.
Oct 11th 2018
172
           yeah exactly and he hasn't been cartoonish as Jimmy for the most part
Oct 12th 2018
173
Lalo crashing through the ceiling was comically absurd
Oct 09th 2018
164
LOL that was the weirdest shit
Oct 09th 2018
166
that was some of that ole BB season 5 pseudo-magic
Oct 09th 2018
167
Ahaha you ain't lying.
Oct 09th 2018
169
not gonna lie...i loved that shit
Oct 11th 2018
170

DJR
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1. "First time through I thought season 3 was the best yet"
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I’m about to rewatch it though to get ready for season 4.

Curious to see what happens to Kim and why she wasn’t in Breaking Bad. Can’t wait to see more of Gus too. That guy is just phenomenal. Any more of his backstory being shared would be great too.

And it seems safe to assume Jimmy is going to start getting really shady pretty soon.

  

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2. "thank goodness. i've been wondering when that was coming back."
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3. "Cant wait!"
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4. "Tonight’s Da Night"
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10 PM Eastern.

  

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6. "correction- 9 PM Eastern "
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5. "TODAY?!"
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Ah fuck I really needed this...had no clue it was back already.

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22. "Already ?!?!"
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>Ah fuck I really needed this...had no clue it was back
>already.

It's been a year and a half just about ! Haha.

But anyway yea I had no clue either. Was out of town on vacation all last week so I just caught ep1 and have ep2 coming right up in a few hours. Pumped. This show is the best.

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7. "Saul whistling without a care just like Walt after the kid on the bike"
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got killed by Todd. Damn, he let Howard take the blame for it and just moved on.

Is Mike after Lydia to try to get more money? They showed how much his check was for, and then he made his way to Madrigal. At first I thought maybe he was breaking in and exposing security flaws to get them to tighten things up so he’s less likely to get caught, but he seemed to be trying to arrange a meeting with Lydia.

Cinnabon Gene is rightfully paranoid as hell. That was a tense opener.

And Nacho was also paranoid at getting caught. And he did, lol. Gus was so thorough.

  

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9. "I think Mike really just wants to do his "job""
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>Is Mike after Lydia to try to get more money? They showed how
>much his check was for, and then he made his way to Madrigal.
>At first I thought maybe he was breaking in and exposing
>security flaws to get them to tighten things up so he’s less
>likely to get caught, but he seemed to be trying to arrange a
>meeting with Lydia.

They showed him sitting at home, watching TV and drinking a beer, and just looking restless and bored. Without working at the parking lot, the only that there is for him to look forward to is picking up his granddaughter. It seems like he's not satisfied just collecting a paycheck; he wants something to do.

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12. "Yeah, that's how i took it"
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It didn't really come together until it was over. He figures if he's getting paid to be a security consultant, there's no harm in him in actually being that.

  

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10. "good first episode."
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i swear i thought the nerdy guy was supposed to be Walter White at first. haha.

  

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18. "I thought the same for a split second lol"
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19. "RE: good first episode."
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24. "Yea I thought so too and I'm sure that was done on purpose."
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Just for fun. Haha.

I love this show.

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58. "clearly on purpose. house/roof looked like the pizza roof"
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23. "Great catch !"
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>RE: Saul whistling without a care just like Walt after the kid on the bike
>got killed by Todd

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27. "I thought he wanted to have his face known around the office"
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in case the authorities ever show up asking questions about him allegedly working there

although the boredom angle is probably more accurate.

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29. "Nope you were right."
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>in case the authorities ever show up asking questions about
>him allegedly working there
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>although the boredom angle is probably more accurate.

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8. ""Ehrmantraut, Security Consultant""
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Mike rolling through Madrigal like he owned the place was the most g-shit ever.

The non-Jimmy related stuff was what really held my attention. And I'm usually a fan of the Jimmy stuff. But this time around, only the opening scene and the "pay-off" at the end really held my attention in that facet of the story.

The Mike/Chicken Man/Ignacio stuff has got me hyped though.

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13. "I loved the Gene stuff"
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I keep hoping we get an entire Gene episode at some point

  

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15. "Yeah, the Gene stuff was gold"
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And I imagine that we're going to see more of it this season. The cab driver was played by an actual actor (the cop who was D'Angelo's partner on "The Deuce"), so I doubt they brought him in just so they could show his eyes in a rear view mirror.

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25. "Knew I recognized him."
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>And I imagine that we're going to see more of it this season.
>The cab driver was played by an actual actor (the cop who was
>D'Angelo's partner on "The Deuce"), so I doubt they brought
>him in just so they could show his eyes in a rear view
>mirror.

And yea I bet you're right, based on that.

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11. "They're doing that Low Winter Sun shit with Lodge 49"
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the app had me thinking this was an extended episode. i was stoked until it ended, talking about if you want to see the previews, you'll have to watch the first part of Lodge 49. I hate when AMC does this shoehorn shit.

  

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14. "Ha. I said the exact same thing to my wife"
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I'm actually kind of surprised that they did that again, considering that it went over like a lead balloon when Low Winter Sun tried it. I fast-forwarded through Lodge 49, so I have no idea of the first 15 minutes were suitably captivating.

And it turns out the "This season of Better Call Saul..." promo was Mad Men-levels of vague, so it was all a waste anyway.

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16. "Does AMC do this with other shows?"
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i tapped out of Walking Dead pretty early on, but given its popularity, i could see them trying to piggyback shows to that as well

I watched the first 15 minutes of Lodge 49. I guess they're trying to go for some kind of Lebowski vibe, but I wasn't feeling it, and quit shortly after the Saul preview. No doubt part of it was resentment for them trying to force feed it. It's a dumb strategy imo.

>And it turns out the "This season of Better Call Saul..."
>promo was Mad Men-levels of vague, so it was all a waste
>anyway.

Yup. That's probably a good thing. I wish I had the will power to avoid previews always.

  

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17. "Ha. No idea. Never watched the Walking Dead shows"
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Or even Halt and Catch Fire (which was supposed to be good). I can definitely seeing them do this with the Walking Dead shows.

I know Low Winter Sun was the first time they pulled it, and they got A LOT of push-back. Come to think of it, it did pretty much sour me on that show out the gate.

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20. "Kinda"
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Talking Dead follows Walking Dead and they’ll drop an “exclusive clip” from the bext week’s show.

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21. "At least Walking and Talking Dead are related"
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And one "feeds" into the other. It's not the blatant attempt to boost the audience for a new show.

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26. "Doggggggggg same exact deal."
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>the app had me thinking this was an extended episode. i was
>stoked until it ended, talking about if you want to see the
>previews, you'll have to watch the first part of Lodge 49. I
>hate when AMC does this shoehorn shit.

That's some weak, corny shit. Thank god they let me fast forward.

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84. "Same thing On Demand"
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Don't really watch previews anyway, but yeah I thought this was a double episode.

  

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28. "God DAMN, Kim."
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I didn't even know we were waiting for that scene between her and Howard. But we were.

  

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30. "Ride or die Kim."
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I was giddy as fuck that whole scene haha.

I was equally as uncomfortable during the scene when Jimmy torpedoed the sales manager position. So awkward. This show is the best.

Anyway re: Kim that scene made me say out loud how sad it is that he's inevitably gonna fuck her over somehow. I have a feeling it's coming this season too. And maybe real soon.

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31. "It's looking like the transition to Saul will be almost instantaneous."
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I've been rewatching Breaking Bad, and Mike's granddaughter looks basically the same age in both shows. The cell phones look basically the same too. I don't know how they're gonna pack so much character development into so little time (and how they get around the fact that Saul said he had "years of experience" laundering money), but I think Saul Goodman is coming quick, and whatever happens with Kim will probably play a big part in that.

  

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32. "Word I'm with you."
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But you're not saying that the end of the show is imminent are you ? Cause I don't necessarily feel that way. I think the transition to Saul might happen within the next couple of episodes but as you said, he's still gotta get "years of experience" laundering money before the BB years kick in. Also I feel like BCS has moved slowly in terms of "real time" on the show. In other words between seasons I don't feel like a lot of time has passed. So they still probably have a few years to work with for more material before the show would have to end / the BB years would be starting.


>I've been rewatching Breaking Bad, and Mike's granddaughter
>looks basically the same age in both shows. The cell phones
>look basically the same too. I don't know how they're gonna
>pack so much character development into so little time (and
>how they get around the fact that Saul said he had "years of
>experience" laundering money), but I think Saul Goodman is
>coming quick, and whatever happens with Kim will probably play
>a big part in that.

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33. "RE: Word I'm with you."
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I've heard rumors that they've considered spending a season or two in years that overlap with the beginning of Breaking Bad. That's probably unlikely, and it could get really gimmicky really fast.

It seems like the most likely scenario is, like you said, that Jimmy will go full sheister, soon, and they'll spend all of this season and the next setting up for when Walt and Jesse grab him and he thinks it's Nacho. BB only had five seasons; I assume they're planning on the same number for BCS.

I'm still hoping they spend some time (maybe even a whole season!) on Gene Takovic's life in Omaha. These expanding black-and-white scenes where he's trying to keep his head low (and looks like he wants to explode back into Saul Goodman) are really drawing me in.

  

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34. "Yea I anticipate a split 5th season cause that's the BS they all do now ..."
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>I've heard rumors that they've considered spending a season or
>two in years that overlap with the beginning of Breaking Bad.
>That's probably unlikely, and it could get really gimmicky
>really fast.

Agree. I hope they don't go that route.


>It seems like the most likely scenario is, like you said, that
>Jimmy will go full sheister, soon, and they'll spend all of
>this season and the next setting up for when Walt and Jesse
>grab him and he thinks it's Nacho. BB only had five seasons; I
>assume they're planning on the same number for BCS.

Yea that would make sense.


>I'm still hoping they spend some time (maybe even a whole
>season!) on Gene Takovic's life in Omaha. These expanding
>black-and-white scenes where he's trying to keep his head low
>(and looks like he wants to explode back into Saul Goodman)
>are really drawing me in.

LIKEWISE. I don't know if it necessitates a full season but I am definitely looking forward to seeing how they tie that all up. They're clearing headed toward something or trying to.

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35. "It's too big a coincidence that Kim grew up..."
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on the Nebraska-Kansas border. When the shit hits the fan, I'm expecting Kim to go back to her hometown, and Gene to eventually track her down in the flashforwards and try to make things right. Maybe that's too neat and tidy, though.

  

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36. "Oh shit - wow. Didn't even think of that. That'd be kind of dope."
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>on the Nebraska-Kansas border. When the shit hits the fan, I'm
>expecting Kim to go back to her hometown, and Gene to
>eventually track her down in the flashforwards and try to make
>things right. Maybe that's too neat and tidy, though.

That's a great call.

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39. "Saul, Gus, and Mike didn’t become part of Breaking Bad until late seas..."
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So timeline wise, Saul would still be getting his experience while the early events of Breaking Bad are happening. Shows could overlap a bit timeline wise without Saul knowing Walt and Jesse yet. Can’t remember how much time passed between episode 1 of BB, and Saul’s first appearance though.

  

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45. "Saul showed up pretty early on the timeline."
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Walter was still waffling on whether to produce meth full-time or get back into teaching as his chemotherapy was wrapping up, Hank was down in El Paso and Jesse had just met Jane.


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47. "Right, I said late season 2 but it got cut off"
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You’re right, that was I believe the 15th or so episode of the show.

  

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49. "word."
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But yea, I think the way this season is moving it's pretty likely Gus gets a phone call about a small-time meth lab operating out of a camper in the season finale. I think Nacho eats it too, or gets his Jesse at the wheel on.


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50. "They’ve done a good job telling Nacho’s story"
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If I recall, they had bigger plans for him early in the show but had to push that back a bit.

Even though I fully expect him to die because he’s not in Breaking Bad and he’s involved in some dangerous things with some dangerous people, they’ve still got me rooting for him. He wants out and is trying to figure it out and just keeps getting sucked in deeper. That actor is doing a hell of a job with the facial expressions telling the story lately IMO.

  

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51. "Agree wholeheartedly."
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>If I recall, they had bigger plans for him early in the show
>but had to push that back a bit.
>
>Even though I fully expect him to die because he’s not in
>Breaking Bad and he’s involved in some dangerous things with
>some dangerous people, they’ve still got me rooting for him.
> He wants out and is trying to figure it out and just keeps
>getting sucked in deeper. That actor is doing a hell of a job
>with the facial expressions telling the story lately IMO.

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52. "Yeah Michael Mondo is quietly killing it"
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59. "I think it's super cool how he launched his career"
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off a video game and a super loud, showy, ACTING performance (if you don't know, it's fun to look up Vaas from Far Cry 3) but in his next major role he turns in this totally quiet, reserved and equally intense in the totally opposite way performance.


I hope when Saul ends he winds up the lead in something because I think this dude has a ton of range. I'd like to see him on the big screen too.


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46. "BB seasons 1-5 are one year"
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Show starts on his 50th birthday his 51st js kn S5

so we're looking at months in BB till they meet

  

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48. "Ok, thanks"
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I remember the birthday bacon, but wasn’t sure if it was one year or two. A few months from Walt’s diagnosis to meeting Saul sounds about right.

  

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42. "Yeah the Kaylee thing is a bit odd to me"
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When Hank and Gomez interrogated Mike I think they said she was 10. I dont remember what year they're in now but we should keep in mind that almost all of breaking bad takes place in one year, starting in 2008?

>I've been rewatching Breaking Bad, and Mike's granddaughter
>looks basically the same age in both shows. The cell phones
>look basically the same too. I don't know how they're gonna
>pack so much character development into so little time (and
>how they get around the fact that Saul said he had "years of
>experience" laundering money), but I think Saul Goodman is
>coming quick, and whatever happens with Kim will probably play46
>a big part in that.
>

  

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38. "Yep, she blew my head off with that."
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Did NOT see that coming and 'twas glorious.

  

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40. "And the emotion in her voice was like nothing we'd ever heard from her."
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You can bet that's the scene they'll put up for Emmy consideration.

  

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174. "just now going through S4. That was Tony/Carmella breakup status"
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It rivals anything Skylar did in BB.

  

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37. "Did he blow off the sales rep job just because he saw the Hummels?"
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And he knew that if he worked there, he'd be a suspect. Or was in a continuation of his epiphany that he had at the end of season 1? Or is it that with Chuck dead he feels he can give up any semblance of a moral compass, except when it comes to Kim?

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41. "He thought they were chumps"
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I think he initially did want the job, but once he saw how easy he was able to con & manipulate them, he basically lost any respect for them and any interest in working there. Also, they probably remind him of his dad, who was super easy to con, which is irritating to him. Then after that, he knew how easy it would be to rob them and he does need the money.

  

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43. "good call on his dad"
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he mostly just seems all over the place. I'm not sure he even knows what he wants right now. He saw the hummel early on and still legit seemed to want the job. He lost respect for them once he saw how easily he could work them

  

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56. "That actually WAS a great display of skills neccessary to be"
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a good salesman though!

They said he still had to talk to HR so it's possible/likely they would have found out about WHY he's no longer a lawyer and not hired him, but wanting to begin the onboarding process after Jimmy came back like that isn't THAT crazy.

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57. "It seemed to be a twofold thought process for Jimmy"
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A) To be perfectly honest, we all know he doesn't want to do that job. The only reason he preferred HHM over his posting down the road was he had a better chance for his brother to see directly that he was doing good work. We haven't seen Jimmy truly enjoy a job other than building his case for HHM against the resting homes, and while his care for the elderly was mostly genuine it became pretty clear near the end that he also needed his brother to accept he'd both done a good thing and done good work doing that good thing. Otherwise he would NOT have been going so hard on that case.


B) He's coming from the super rigid world of private practice lawyering, and the standards of the people he was applying with weren't up to his new expectations for himself. He wouldn't be back in the supply closet but he'd be back working for a strip mall business, and one that was more worried about selling its product to whoever'd buy it than keeping up appearances or making sure their employees were the "right fit". As we learned later, he put eyes on that statue and immediately considered how he could steal it; we can assume whether he took the job or not, he was going to steal that thing. So, him knowing that, he's disappointed with the two guys that they aren't going to background check him, realize who he is and, even if they hire him, suppress him the way all his other bosses did.

I think he realized in that moment he could run wild on people like that given the chance, and so he took a bit of pity on them by turning down the job offer as he began to formulate the heist plot.



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44. "I don't think Lydia was necessarily wrong"
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she's always been overly paranoid, and she doesn't really know Mike, so to her he's a potential problem as a guy they JUST hired and already can't just do what he's told.

That said, for all her pumping up of Gus, she should trust his judgement. Dude has super spidey sense about people. He pegged Nacho's play like it was nothing.

  

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53. "Refresh my memory. There was a similar showdown last season right?"
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Tyrus and Victor said you guys get this much, and Salamanca peeps demanding they get 6..

and they call Gus and he gives in?

If I remember right, that's how it went down

  

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54. "correct, here’s the scene"
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http://youtu.be/UHi15DBKcjI

  

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55. "nice! Gus playing that good chess"
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60. "Very entertaining episode!"
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That opening scene....jeez. Brutal.

Gail!

I loved Saul passing by one of the murder twins.

  

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61. "i thought the twins were going to notice how decomposed the body was"
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you could tell he'd been dead a while

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62. "Was thinking that too. Or that they'd notice how strategically ..."
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64. "Nothing convenient about a gut shot"
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72. "Haha - nothing convenient about any gun shot."
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But if aimed correctly (like both shots were) they mean "no death" unless he bleeds out.

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69. "they always look suspicious"
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or like they're about to kill you.

that doc last week was so relieved when the Johns Hopkins lady said she'd take over lol.

I assumed they were gonna kill Joe De Rosa

  

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63. "Ah, so this is where Gus connects with the Phoenix guys."
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From mid season 5 of breaking bad. Not the skinheads, the guys they nearly sold their heisted methylamine to. I'm watching that right now. Mike just referred to them (BB S5E6) as guys he knows from his time with Fring. And when Walt meets them (S5E7, "Say my Name") he taunts them for their 70% purity.

That was roughly the best number that Gail found in the samples in this BCS episode.

  

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65. "I read that the guy who stole that shit for Saul becomes owner of"
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Vamonos Pest Control, that came into play in season 5. In BB season 5, Saul said something to Walt about how he’d been “pulling their chestnuts out of the fire legally speaking, for years” .

  

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67. "Well, that answers my question."
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70. "yup. i didn't see this when i answered the other reply"
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at first i thought it was Walt's gun guy but then i realized it was Todd's boss

  

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71. "Ah, Declan and them. Good catch"
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>From mid season 5 of breaking bad. Not the skinheads, the
>guys they nearly sold their heisted methylamine to. I'm
>watching that right now. Mike just referred to them (BB S5E6)
>as guys he knows from his time with Fring. And when Walt meets
>them (S5E7, "Say my Name") he taunts them for their 70%
>purity.
>
>That was roughly the best number that Gail found in the
>samples in this BCS episode.
>

  

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66. "So is the guy who stole the Hummel one of the "exterminators"?"
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One of Landry's/Todd's people from the end of the series? (I don't think any of them except Landry/Todd were the nazis; they nazi adjacent).

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68. "Yup that was the Vamanos pest boss"
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"we'll kill 'em dead"

  

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73. "is Jimmy just regressing?"
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as fun as that scene was, that Hummel shit seems so small time for him.
He seems to be dealing with the Chuck thing by going back to Slippin' Jimmy shit.

The previews had made it look like Mike was in which would have made zero sense, so I was pleased by his response.

  

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74. "Is the man listening? Privacy sold here."
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Saul’s looking for those shady customers.

  

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75. "good episode, a lot happened."
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and those twins are fucking insane!! holy shit.

  

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76. "Nacho’s expressions when he realized the twins were going in...."
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>and those twins are fucking insane!! holy shit.

So good.

Yeah, this episode really moved things along as far as where things are going for all these characters.

  

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79. "The Murder Twin's expression when Nacho called that place a fortress"
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and naming off people and their crews like if they were gonna need 40 guys

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82. "Ha, that too"
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Gotta be honest....I like the murder twins now more than I did in B.B.

They were one aspect of Breaking Bad I wasn’t crazy about(too cartoonish for me), but the episode where they came for Hank and ultimately died was pretty crazy.

  

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77. "Any idea what the job for Mike is going to be?"
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78. "Not sure but it’s gotta be related to what he told Nacho, right?"
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He told Nacho to rest up and that there’s more to do. Then he brought Nacho up to Mike. Would assume his plans for both are related.

  

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80. "I have to refresh on Mike/Nacho's intreactions"
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I know they've crossed paths and worked together at times, i know there was the Tuco thing, I remember Mike following Hector.. but there are too many blanks to really remember what Gus is specifically talking about in terms of Mike and Nacho. what he did or didn't tell Gus.

  

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81. "Mike was going to kill Hector Salamanca...."
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That was at the end of season 2. He had him all lined up in his crosshairs and his car horn started beeping. When he went to his car he found a note that said “don’t”.

That was from Gus. As Mike told Gus in their most recent discussion, “I told you I wouldn’t kill him, I never promised to be his body guard”. Mike was aware that Nacho
wanted to kill Hector. He tried to give Nacho advice on how to not get caught with his plan tk poison Hector.

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83. "thanks, man. I've forgotten a lot. "
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Hector is Gus's biggest sore spot. Makes me wonder how in BB if Mike wasn't laid up in that hospital tent if he would have spotted Walt's play, or at least not let him go to that old folks home.


>That was from Gus. As Mike told Gus in their most recent
>discussion, “I told you I wouldn’t kill him, I never
>promised to be his body guard”. Mike was aware that Nacho
>wanted to kill Hector. He tried to give Nacho advice on how
>to not get caught with his plan tk poison Hector.
>
>http://youtu.be/uYR4-f7mvYI
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85. "That flash forward was something else!"
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It was jarring to briefly see where Saul and his secretary were in the end of BB vs. what we’ve been seeing for 3 1/2 years on BCS. I wonder what lawyer he was referring her to? Howard or Kim would be the obvious guesses.

Also, I loved how Gus picked the cautious one. That first one was taking it lightly and talking like it was an easy job, and Gus shut him down real quick, lol.

  

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86. "Also the French guy.."
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..aside from acting like this job would be easy, talked about building a tunnel to el Paso. Basically blabbing about some shit he did for the cartel. Gus and Mike weren't feeling that

And yeah, good question. Who was the lawyer? I'm thinking not Kim because she knows Kim. And I don't think Howard deals in that sort of thing but then again time had passed.

  

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87. "Good point."
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>And yeah, good question. Who was the lawyer? I'm thinking not
>Kim because she knows Kim. And I don't think Howard deals in
>that sort of thing but then again time had passed.

Now I'm really curious.

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88. "Best ep. of the season so far. It's a good spot to do a time jump"
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With Jimmy figuring out that "Slipping Jimmy" is really dead, Kim learning she needs to balance being a do-gooder with her corporate responsibilities, Gus proceeding with the building of the super-lab, Mike getting into his security duties, and the Salamancas hiding out in Mexico. I don't know if we need the next episode to be Jimmy going through the daily grind at the phone store, etc.

I'm not saying jump all the way to the "Breaking Bad" time period, but to the end of Jimmy's probation.

I'll also say that this episode addressed my concerns about them speeding things up for Jimmy a bit too much. Him realizing that getting into all this overt criminal shit was his way of dealing with Chuck's death was good. As was his decision that being an attorney was the "future."

And, of course, linking the flash-forward to the end of his life as Saul to its sorta-beginning with the burner phones was awesome.

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89. "One of my favorite in the series"
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Question about the guy Mike and Gus rejected: Was that guy an undercover cop trying to set them up or did they just realize he didn't know what he was doing?

  

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90. "Yep. One of mine as well."
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>Question about the guy Mike and Gus rejected: Was that guy an
>undercover cop trying to set them up or did they just realize
>he didn't know what he was doing?

I think they thought the guy was over-promising on a sped-up time line without really taking into account how difficult the job could be. Just hits the button on his laser measurement tool a few times and wants them to believe he can get it done fast because he built a tunnell to El Paso. Gus liked the other guy because he took into account all the limitations and potential obstacles of the digging like that. And the German never promised a completion date.

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91. "Wasn't thorough enough."
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Someone above touched on this - my exact thoughts as I was watching as well. The guy made it seem way too easy and both Mike and Gus thought immediately that this meant he wasn't thorough, careful, thoughtful, etc.. enough and therefore was probably prone to mistakes.

German dude gave them a step by step run through of how it *could* be done but made it seem like a nearly impossible task. Yet he gave them all the steps it would take to get the job done if done properly. A thorough explanation. They felt more comfortable knowing the dude understood the enormity of the task but still thought it possible to complete so long as they gave proper considerations to all the risks involved.

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111. "Haha you nearly nailed it. There's your time jump."
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92. "This season is spectacular so far."
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You could say that it's almost too much of a slow burn but I have a lot of faith in Gilligan at this point.

Kim gotta get an Emmy nod.

Also, I love that they used the same film stock for the Breaking Bad flash forward. When it first came on, you could instantly tell that this was right before he called the cleaners.

Good eyes on somebody mentioning that Saul cut through the 3rd amendment to get the box from behind the wall.

  

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93. "Wait - expound on this, if you would."
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>Good eyes on somebody mentioning that Saul cut through the 3rd
>amendment to get the box from behind the wall.

What's the significance here ?

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94. "RE: Wait - expound on this, if you would."
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I'm curious about this too

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95. "Maybe it was the 4th amendment,"
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which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.

The third is about quartering soldiers in private homes. I don't see a reference in that. (Maybe a really strained one about all the agents at Hank's house, but that was months earlier.)


I definitely noticed and appreciated the symbolism of him cutting through the Constitution to get his money, but I didn't look close enough to see where he was cutting.

  

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96. "Yea 4th would make more sense but either way ..."
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... I think it might be a reach to speculate that there may be some deeper significance here. But these writers miss zero opportunities for symbolism so I'm willing to listen to more theories. Haha.

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97. "Yeah, Kim was acting shady this episode"
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She sees that Jimmy still wants to do the joint law office thing, so she goes directly to Schweikart to ask for a job. Then she lies to Jimmy and says that they asked her. She could have actually told him flat out that she needed to take the job so that she can keep doing her pro bono work, but she instead opted to make up a bullshit story.

So, this is all a reaction to Jimmy not going to the therapist like she wanted?

Rest of the episode was still really good. From Jimmy's revenge (with the return of Huell) to Jimmy's "pep-talk" to Howard to the stuff with Mike to Chicken Man's speech to Salamanca.

I still think they need to do a time jump though. If for no other reason than Kim doesn't have to keep wearing a cast.

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98. "hmmm...i didn't read it that way at all"
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i think she just knows she can't hitch her wagon to his and she told him she wants more help so she can do more pro-bono work. So she told him what she wanted to do after it was locked up...i don't see that as shady.

Also, as much as Jimmy says he wants to get back into law and partner with her...he doesn't want that. He's realizing that too.

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100. "Yea well said on both points."
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>i think she just knows she can't hitch her wagon to his and
>she told him she wants more help so she can do more pro-bono
>work. So she told him what she wanted to do after it was
>locked up...i don't see that as shady.

I didn't see that as shady either. She came clean with him to the degree that she needed to when they met at the hotel bar.

Plus if we're gonna talk about someone being "shady" in the Jimmy and Kim dynamic, I mean c'mon now ... haha.


>Also, as much as Jimmy says he wants to get back into law and
>partner with her...he doesn't want that. He's realizing that
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102. "right? lol"
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>Plus if we're gonna talk about someone being "shady" in the
>Jimmy and Kim dynamic, I mean c'mon now ... haha.

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99. "I saw that differently."
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>She sees that Jimmy still wants to do the joint law office
>thing, so she goes directly to Schweikart to ask for a job.
>Then she lies to Jimmy and says that they asked her. She could
>have actually told him flat out that she needed to take the
>job so that she can keep doing her pro bono work, but she
>instead opted to make up a bullshit story.

I may be wrong but I assumed she went in there with the sole intent to offload Mesa Verde to Schweikart knowing that they would be well taken care of there, and go on her own doing the work she's actually passionate about. Then Schweikart surprised her with a partner offer that she couldn't refuse, as kind of a return favor. Obviously I can't be sure that was the intent but that is the way I read that.


>So, this is all a reaction to Jimmy not going to the therapist
>like she wanted?
>
>Rest of the episode was still really good. From Jimmy's
>revenge (with the return of Huell) to Jimmy's "pep-talk" to
>Howard to the stuff with Mike to Chicken Man's speech to
>Salamanca.

Jimmy's been hard AF on Howard this season haha. I never thought I'd feel bad for dude but I do. I wonder where his arc is going.

The Gus pep talk kind of annoyed me. Was just too drawn out. I knew where that was going like 30 seconds into the story. They could've tightened that up a bit and used that time for something else. These seasons are short enough. I know they like being thorough and getting the most out of every scene but that was one of the rare times watching this series where I've been sitting there thinking "jesus get on with it already" haha.


>I still think they need to do a time jump though. If for no
>other reason than Kim doesn't have to keep wearing a cast.

Haha yea the cast is kinda driving me nuts too, but I think they're right not doing a time jump here. They've been covering a good chunk of ground with the stories this season and things are moving quickly, so a time jump right now would be out of place I think.

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106. "i guess they want to hammer the point of Hector being Gus' weakness"
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and just how much it affects him. They're in the middle of this massive project, and gus scurried off the second Tyrus came in with Hector news.

and also shows how much of Gus's success was truly owed to Mike.

  

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107. "Oh for sure. Agreed."
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I guess what I'm saying is they absolutely pummeled us over the head with it haha. Like I understood that this was their objective within two minutes of that scene's beginning and it went on for another what, 5 minutes or something ? Time better used elsewhere is I guess what I'm getting at.

But again - you're right.


>RE: i guess they want to hammer the point of Hector being Gus' weakness
>and just how much it affects him. They're in the middle of
>this massive project, and gus scurried off the second Tyrus
>came in with Hector news.
>
>and also shows how much of Gus's success was truly owed to
>Mike.

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108. "I hear you"
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109. "the cold open adds to his let down"
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he seemed content at the time being Jimmy the mailroom guy, and decided to persue law after he saw how in awe Kim was of Chuck.
So Kim rejecting him as a business partner, (and also in a way that she possibly thinks he's not smart enough to read between the lines) probably takes him back to his mail cart days, and how he felt watching her mingle with the grown-ups, and moving on from him.

  

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110. "Ah great call."
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Those cold opens are always foreshadowing, and I think your perspective here is on point.

>he seemed content at the time being Jimmy the mailroom guy,
>and decided to persue law after he saw how in awe Kim was of
>Chuck.
>So Kim rejecting him as a business partner, (and also in a way
>that she possibly thinks he's not smart enough to read between
>the lines) probably takes him back to his mail cart days, and
>how he felt watching her mingle with the grown-ups, and moving
>on from him.
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112. "damn she's replace Chuck as his excuse to break bad"
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Used to be that Chuck's disapproval of him was his reason for acting up and now that he's gone he's throwing that all on Kim

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101. "Just read Sepinwall's recap of this week's ep and ..."
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... he kinda nailed an underlying gripe I've had this season thus far. I've felt a little bit like it's been sort of all over the place. While still great, just feels like they've been more thorough w/tying up loose ends in past seasons.

It's a small gripe but it's definitely been there all season long. Here's Sepinwall's thoughts on that:

* As he sets up an entire support system for Werner’s crew (including potential troublemaker Kai), Mike makes his first reference of the series to “my guys,” though I’m told the ones in the security trailer aren’t any of the ones we saw on Breaking Bad. The season is juggling a lot of stories right now, but it does feel like some steps are being skipped here: we’ve gone from Gus asking Mike to do him a favor to Mike acting like a full-time member of the organization, and we don’t see exactly how Mike finds a trustworthy group of guys in a new-ish city where we’ve seen basically all of his previous criminal endeavors.

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103. "i don't really have an issue with any of this..."
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Mike's guys could end up being guys he brings into town once he's cemented himself in Gus' organization which is happening now. I also think Gus trusting him to help organize everything lines up with the skills he's shown by actually doing his security role...and it fills a gap. Mike was clearly bored and wanted to be more useful which is why he was doing all that so it's a win/win for Gus. He showed him he has that skill and is willing to do it...and it keeps him out of "trouble" with Madrigal.

Some stuff is moving fast and is going unsaid but nothing major in my opinion...you can fill the gaps on your own for the most part. the only part that seems off is the grand daughter's age...but child casting is tough so i'll let that one slide.

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104. "Matter fact I don't think those are Mike's "Guys""
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Gus told him he would find the appropriate people to watch the Germans based on what Mike suggested. So I think these being his guys is more of a this is my team not his hand picked guys. I'm sure some of them become his guys by the time of BB, but for now these seem to be independently contracted folks.

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105. "yeah i dont think they are either..."
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in my post i was saying that i think he'll bring those guys in later once he's fully in to Gus' organization...he's building the trust now and he'll bring them in once that's cemented. I also don't think they will be guys he meets in ABQ...they will be guys he's known

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113. "Alright....WHERE IS NACHO??!"
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I’m loving the season overall. And they only have so much time to tell the story.

But Nacho was killing it early in the season. He’s stuck doing Gus’s dirty work. He’s not on for a few weeks in a row....ok, fair enough. But now they just did a time jump, and still nothing? What’s he been doing the last 9 months or whatever? I was surprised there wasn’t at least a little update on him.

Otherwise, I thought it was a really well done episode. And with these writers, there may very well be a very good reason we haven’t seen Nacho lately?

  

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114. "Gus: "Yup he's in there. You can go home now, doc""
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I like how when you see a knife in Gus's hand, you're pretty sure he's not gonna kill someone with it, but never 100%.

Wonder what kind of Mike shit, Mike is gonna do to deal with Kai

I thought one of Jimmy's customer's was gonna be Pinkman.

Love the split screen open, and slow moving split between Jimmy and Kim

Birth of "Saul" in this episode!

  

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115. "Yes he plays the always-menacing part masterfully."
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>I like how when you see a knife in Gus's hand, you're pretty
>sure he's not gonna kill someone with it, but never 100%.

The look on his face always instills fear even if he's just having a normal discussion. Like even when he's talking to Mike, who I *know* he will be cool with always, I'm waiting for him to snap in some way.

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116. "Made me think about Walt wanting/expecting Jesse"
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to kill Gus, and then being mad when he didn't. Like, how the fuck does he even think Jesse would have a chance in hell of pulling that off? or even Walt going to Gus's house with his little 38. c'mon, dude lol

  

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117. "Ahahaha. Totally forgot about that. Great point."
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118. "I thought the last guy was Beaver til they showed his face"
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What with it ending the montage and the camera panning down and focusing on the back of his head through the car to Saul walking towards him. I really hoped that was going to be one of those classic TV tropes of a really brief interaction, familiar character turns their head to expose their face, audience goes crazy, character drives off and we don't see him again 'til next season.


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119. "Lmao @ Beaver"
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Walt calling him that and the fact that he didn’t even know his name was one of the funnier moments of BB for me.

  

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129. "LOL i forgot Walt called him that"
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i thought Nodima made a mistake lol

  

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133. "deep cuts"
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(full disclosure, I got bailed out on that one, haha)


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140. "LOL"
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>(full disclosure, I got bailed out on that one, haha)

  

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121. "gus decided his rehab had proceeded just far enough."
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that's some cold shit

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120. "Breaking Bad re-watch after BCS"
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I don't know how many seasons they plan to do but I can't wait to rewatch Breaking Bad once Better Call Saul ends. Unless it starts to seriously overlap and pass BB then I'll have to start then. I've rewatched it twice so far but it's been a minute and I'm really looking forward to it but want to wait until we catch up.

  

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122. "The Kim/Jimmy rekindle was great fan-service but ..."
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... I still think we're being set up for something bad with them by season's end.

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123. "LOL. Dude, that's not fan service. That's character development"
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Having Kim leave Jimmy because he's becoming Saul turns he into the female version of Chuck. And that's boring and repetitive.

Something bad may happen, but I'm glad they aren't going the predictable route here.

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124. "For the record I didn't mean that in a derogatory way."
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I know "fan-service" is typically a negative term but I was not at all implying that it was lazy or pandering on the part of the writers. The moment made perfect sense in the context of the whole story and their relationship. I meant that it literally serviced the fans, haha; as in I think we were all dreading a world without Kim in it.

And I never said anything about Kim leaving Jimmy "because he's becoming Saul," but the context of this season has been that they've been growing apart. The Saul thing was simply a part of the bigger picture of the distance that has been growing between them.


>RE: LOL. Dude, that's not fan service. That's character development
>Having Kim leave Jimmy because he's becoming Saul turns he
>into the female version of Chuck. And that's boring and
>repetitive.
>
>Something bad may happen, but I'm glad they aren't going the
>predictable route here.

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125. "For the record, I didn't mean to imply that you thought this:"
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>And I never said anything about Kim leaving Jimmy "because
>he's becoming Saul,"

I think that this development makes Kim an immensely more interesting character. It was easy to lay that "trap" to get people believe what would separate them is Jimmy going down to the extra-legal path. Shoot, it what I assumed was coming. However, this implies that the distance between them was likely a function of Kim being segregated from that part of Jimmy's life.

Kim looking for fullfillment first as a hot-shot attorney for a major bank, then as a pro-bono gooder, but eventually realizing what literally gets her off is being a con-artist, really transforms the character. I'd written earlier that she's started to come across as shady, and this pretty much confirms it, allbeit in a different way.

It also opens up the possibilities of how things can end with her.

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128. "Yup. i love what they're doing with her"
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>I think that this development makes Kim an immensely more
>interesting character. It was easy to lay that "trap" to get
>people believe what would separate them is Jimmy going down to
>the extra-legal path. Shoot, it what I assumed was coming.
>However, this implies that the distance between them was
>likely a function of Kim being segregated from that part of
>Jimmy's life.
>
>Kim looking for fullfillment first as a hot-shot attorney for
>a major bank, then as a pro-bono gooder, but eventually
>realizing what literally gets her off is being a con-artist,
>really transforms the character. I'd written earlier that
>she's started to come across as shady, and this pretty much
>confirms it, allbeit in a different way.
>
>It also opens up the possibilities of how things can end with
>her.

  

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130. "For the record I agree entirely."
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>>And I never said anything about Kim leaving Jimmy "because
>>he's becoming Saul,"
>
>I think that this development makes Kim an immensely more
>interesting character. It was easy to lay that "trap" to get
>people believe what would separate them is Jimmy going down to
>the extra-legal path. Shoot, it what I assumed was coming.
>However, this implies that the distance between them was
>likely a function of Kim being segregated from that part of
>Jimmy's life.
>
>Kim looking for fullfillment first as a hot-shot attorney for
>a major bank, then as a pro-bono gooder, but eventually
>realizing what literally gets her off is being a con-artist,
>really transforms the character. I'd written earlier that
>she's started to come across as shady, and this pretty much
>confirms it, allbeit in a different way.
>
>It also opens up the possibilities of how things can end with
>her.

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131. "Yup this makes things so interesting "
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Now I’m way more curious about where she ends up

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126. "Other thoughts."
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In all a really good episode. Jimmy's cajun accent was worth the price of admission.

I have a feeling all the Germans are going to eventually end up dead. At least that the obnoxious one at the strip club (Kari? Can't remember) is going to screw up blasting the rock to make way for the elevator shaft. The head German mentioned that he's their best demolition man, and he's probably going to fuck up.

I'd forgotten Domingo/Crazy Eight was around. They showed him last season, right?

During the last scene, I expected it to be the newly released Tuco in the back of the restaurant. I guess we get the formal introduction of Lalo. Lalo was mentioned in the "Better Call Saul" episode of Breaking Bad. When Jess and Walt have him at gun point in the middle of the desert, after Saul yells out, "Ignaico did it! He's responsible!", he says, "Lalo sent you?"

Also, given the scene at Nacho's house with the two meth whores and the safe with the fake IDs, I suspect he's going to be the first one to order the Hoover Max Extract Pressure Pro and get disappeared by Ed. Saul will probably eventually arrange the whole thing.

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127. "!!"
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>I have a feeling all the Germans are going to eventually end
>up dead. At least that the obnoxious one at the strip club
>(Kari? Can't remember) is going to screw up blasting the rock
>to make way for the elevator shaft. The head German mentioned
>that he's their best demolition man, and he's probably going
>to fuck up.

They've been setting Kai up as a gonner from the jump.
My half assed prediction is that Mike kills Kai in some way that makes it look like a demolition accident. The Germans will believe it, but head German will know it's bullshit, and Mike will press him to check his curiousity. That will depend on if he lives or not. It's hard to picture the Germans making it out of this ok.

>I'd forgotten Domingo/Crazy Eight was around. They showed him
>last season, right?

Yeah, in a similar scene, Nacho lets Crazy 8 who is light on his payment slide, Hector makes a comment on Nacho being soft which forces Nacho to beat the shit out of Crazy 8.

>During the last scene, I expected it to be the newly released
>Tuco in the back of the restaurant.

I was almost certain it would be Tuco, but when Crazy 8 motioned to his muscle, he didn't look like someone Tuco would use.

I guess we get the formal
>introduction of Lalo. Lalo was mentioned in the "Better Call
>Saul" episode of Breaking Bad. When Jess and Walt have him at
>gun point in the middle of the desert, after Saul yells out,
>"Ignaico did it! He's responsible!", he says, "Lalo sent
>you?"

NICE! I had the thought that this would tie in to the "It was Nacho!" scene, but I didn't remember the name Lalo. Thanks for this.

>Also, given the scene at Nacho's house with the two meth
>whores and the safe with the fake IDs, I suspect he's going to
>be the first one to order the Hoover Max Extract Pressure Pro
>and get disappeared by Ed. Saul will probably eventually
>arrange the whole thing.

I'm not sure he's going the way of Max Cherry the Hoover guy. Nacho already has canadian IDs for him and his dad (funny because he's canadian irl). I do anticipate Kim, now that she's found what moves her.. being the first one to go the Hoover route.

  

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132. "that argument was brutal!"
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I felt for both of them and was mad at both of them at the same time. Pulled me right in.

  

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134. "yeah...you could tell Jimmy was just projecting..."
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so he was clearly in the wrong but you could feel his pain.

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152. "In this case, they were both right."
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Kim was right in that Jimmy is always "down" and in trouble, and she is always there to help him.

But Jimmy is also right about their power dynamic. She'll be there to to "save" him, but she doesn't view him as an equal. She'll "get down in the dirt" with him when it helps her goals. But as we saw, as soon as she saw that he still wanted to open a law office with her, she immediately ran to offer herself to a high powered firm.

I'm expecting/hoping that the finale puts an end to that dynamic. Not that she'll leave Mesa Verde to join him, but that they become equals as scam artists/lawyers.

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135. "Couple of things...."
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How long was the time jump a couple eps ago? Nacho is already living like a king pin with two in-house meth whores. Did he glow up that fast?

What was the deal with the Mesa Verde scheme? Why did they need to swap those blueprints? Has it been eluded to or is this something that's yet to be revealed?

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136. "Think it was 10 months."
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>How long was the time jump a couple eps ago? Nacho is already
>living like a king pin with two in-house meth whores. Did he
>glow up that fast?

Guess when you're rolling with Gus anything's possible haha.


>What was the deal with the Mesa Verde scheme? Why did they
>need to swap those blueprints? Has it been eluded to or is
>this something that's yet to be revealed?

Yea they discussed it when they were eating together afterward. She brought up a blueprint that she claimed was the exact same ... then Jimmy spilled the milk on the real blueprint, Kim freaked, the woman felt bad for her and rubberstamped/authorized the blueprints Kim brought in, being under the impression that they were the same anyway ... but in reality the blueprint Kim had had one room that was 13% bigger than what was originally agreed upon.

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137. "i get that i just didn't get whether there was an actual point"
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to the scam or if they just felt like doing something shady...was it really just to flex their con artist muscle?

>
>Yea they discussed it when they were eating together
>afterward. She brought up a blueprint that she claimed was the
>exact same ... then Jimmy spilled the milk on the real
>blueprint, Kim freaked, the woman felt bad for her and
>rubberstamped/authorized the blueprints Kim brought in, being
>under the impression that they were the same anyway ... but in
>reality the blueprint Kim had had one room that was 13% bigger
>than what was originally agreed upon.

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138. "Other than to help her client get what they wanted ? I guess not."
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What else are you looking for ?! Haha.


>to the scam or if they just felt like doing something
>shady...was it really just to flex their con artist muscle?

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142. "ok so the client wanted the room increase and..."
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they did this to get it done quicker? that's what i didn't get.

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144. "Gotcha. No I think they weren't gonna allow a room increase at all."
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But I'm not 100% sure on that.

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145. "Was this the thing that the Mesa Verde boss asked for last minute..."
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and Kim said it couldn't be done? I assumed that was a much bigger change

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147. "Good point and I thought of that but wasn't sure ..."
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so I didn't say it. But yea that could definitely be the same thing.

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139. "seemed like it was just a chance to flex the scam skills AND..."
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for her to get an attagirl at work at the same time.

  

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154. "It was alluded to in the last ep."
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The Mesa Verde guy asks her if they can change the plans, and her friend at the place says that it's too late to do so. And Kim agrees.

I think Kim doing this might also be part of her showing up her friend who doubted her and got pissed when she screwed up earlier this season.

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141. "why does head German think"
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this is worth the risk? We're talking a few more months of being unhappy. Now best case scenario, he gets no money and probably has to take his wife and hide forever.

i know he isn't thinking straight but dam. i guess he's banking that Mike is too nice or too fond of him to kill him if he gets caught?


  

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143. "must be something else going on with him..."
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he had a panic attack at the blast site. maybe he's been holding something back all this time. i kinda hate that it's just randomly come up though. hopefully they make it make sense.

maybe his wife is dying or something...although that wouldn't explain his panic. he almost seemed to be having a ptsd moment.

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146. "yeah seemed to be some kind of breakdown, but.."
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i think he thinks worst case scenario is he doesn't get paid or gets paid half, and Mike yells at him. Since Mike let him slide on the bar thing, that he's just gonna half-measure it up again.

Classic misdirect with the Kai thing. setting him up as the problem, then having him smiling and toasting with Mike after the demolition.

  

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148. "i don't know...that was a pretty elaborate escape..."
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and he knows how crazy they've been with the security measures. I think he knows exactly the kind of danger he'd be in for running and decided to run anyway

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149. "RE: yeah seemed to be some kind of breakdown, but.."
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>i think he thinks worst case scenario is he doesn't get paid
>or gets paid half, and Mike yells at him. Since Mike let him
>slide on the bar thing, that he's just gonna half-measure it
>up again.
>
>Classic misdirect with the Kai thing. setting him up as the
>problem, then having him smiling and toasting with Mike after
>the demolition.


That, plus perhaps it's the classic case of dude being smart in one area, but being a Luddite in terms of having basic street smarts.

We do know someone eventually builds the lab, so I'm hoping the lab situation doesn't get totally pushed off as an unresolved cliffhanger.

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150. "RE: why does head German think"
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This has been my one issue with this whole season. I love the setup and basic premise of the Germans but haven't really gotten invested in any of the characters. The head guy is just too...one note in a kind of way this series doesn't really traffic in, at least not when it comes to prominent characters. Kai is the same, and the rest barely even got names let alone character arcs.


I feel like I get why they needed all this for Mike's development as Gus' head of security/fixer, but overall I'd say it's one of the most bland B plots in the Breaking Bad canon.


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151. "i'm honestly surprised it became a whole storyline..."
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it was cool to see the precautions they took to hire them and keep them contained in a secure place and even to see some of how it was built but i'd rather see Mike get into some other shit while all this is happening. might've been enough to have him pop over there from time to time while doing other things.

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153. "They've been hinting at him breaking down for a few eps now"
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Him constantly talking about his wife and how long the job is taking, the conversation with the random people at the bar that could have blown their cover. I think "the game isn't in him anymore" and he's just acting out in the worst way possible. I halfway expected that it was leading up to him killing himself.

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155. "yeah i figured he hung himself or something..."
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didn't think he ran away

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156. "Same....he had that glazed over look on his face"
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that plus the music they used. I thought that’s where it was headed. And when Mike told them to “look up there” or whatever, I thought they would find him dead.

  

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157. "Finale."
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I'm super meh about it right now. Not sure why exactly but I do feel like this season was kind of all over the place a little bit, unlike previous seasons.

Think I read somewhere earlier in the season that one of either Gilligan or Gould took a step back this year to focus on other projects; sort of curious whether that may be the reason this season felt a little more disjointed to me.

I'm still super interested in where they go with this and how they continue the transition to Saul, what they do with Kim, etc. But didn't love the "Saul" reveal all that much.

I'll have to check out the last 2 eps again just to see if I feel any differently. Def interested to hear you guys' perspectives on the finale and the season overall, as well as Sepinwall's, to digest some other perspectives.

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158. "Jimmy and Mike both crossed lines that can’t be uncrossed "
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Mike is fully in it now with no going back. That look in his eyes when he got off the phone with Gus in the desert....damn.

And I liked how Kim was in on the whole con, but then got conned herself into thinking Jimmy was being sincere when he stopped reading the letter and went off the cuff. The look of disappointment on her face, and Jimmy was completely oblivious to it....

I liked it.

  

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159. "Yea and we knew and dreaded that it was coming."
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>Mike is fully in it now with no going back. That look in his
>eyes when he got off the phone with Gus in the
>desert....damn.

Yea man. That was wild. You could feel his pain for sure.


>And I liked how Kim was in on the whole con, but then got
>conned herself into thinking Jimmy was being sincere when he
>stopped reading the letter and went off the cuff. The look of
>disappointment on her face, and Jimmy was completely oblivious
>to it....
>
>I liked it.

Yep. She deserves an emmy. She's so good.

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160. "I liked it. we knew what was coming and it still managed"
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to make interesting turns on the way there.

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161. "S'all good, man. No other ending would have made sense"
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Yeah, you could see it coming from miles away, but it all worked all great for me. Having him do an off-the-cuff, heartfelt speech about Chuck's impact on his life on then mean it would not have been true to the character or the show at all. The way it unfolded followed the through-line from the first ep of the season until his talk with the high school student.

The only thing I could complain about is whether having him appeal was "necessary" to the story, but they had to show the lengths that he'd go to be a lawyer again (the dedication, the graveyard). And they had to find a way to resolve the dynamic between Jimmy and Kim. Now she has no illusions about how much he wants to be a lawyer and the steps he'll take to reclaim it, and how much he's come to despise his brother, even in death.

The Mike stuff worked too. Sets up the "No Half Measures" Mike of Breaking Bad. And the dynamic between him and Gus. The Lalo stuff was a lot tacked on, but it showed how evil Lalo really is, and it drove home that there was no way Werner was making it out of this alive.

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162. "I think maybe just the cheesy finger point "s'all good man !" .."
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... kind of irked me more than it should've. Because I tend to agree with everything you said below. Nothing throughout the season was *bad* per se. I just didn't love how disjointed it felt. Maybe it was hangover from not having the Chuck/Jimmy dynamic any longer. Maybe it was the fact that Nacho was ignored for large parts of the season. I'll probably feel better about it once I re-watch the last 2 eps. Like I said for whatever reason it just didn't feel as tightly knit as seasons 1-3.


>Yeah, you could see it coming from miles away, but it all
>worked all great for me. Having him do an off-the-cuff,
>heartfelt speech about Chuck's impact on his life on then mean
>it would not have been true to the character or the show at
>all. The way it unfolded followed the through-line from the
>first ep of the season until his talk with the high school
>student.
>
>The only thing I could complain about is whether having him
>appeal was "necessary" to the story, but they had to show the
>lengths that he'd go to be a lawyer again (the dedication, the
>graveyard). And they had to find a way to resolve the dynamic
>between Jimmy and Kim. Now she has no illusions about how much
>he wants to be a lawyer and the steps he'll take to reclaim
>it, and how much he's come to despise his brother, even in
>death.
>
>The Mike stuff worked too. Sets up the "No Half Measures" Mike
>of Breaking Bad. And the dynamic between him and Gus. The Lalo
>stuff was a lot tacked on, but it showed how evil Lalo really
>is, and it drove home that there was no way Werner was making
>it out of this alive.
>
>So, yeah, excellent season.

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165. "I agree that I would have enjoyed more Nacho this season"
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He was definitely under-utilized. And after getting shot was pretty much sidelined until he shows up again with the money and the meth whores.

They definitely decided to give his time over to the Mike and Zee Germans storyline, but that proved to be necessary to establish things to where Mike had to kill someone he liked, rather than the Red Herring that was Kai. And the Nacho/Salamanca story nicely dovetailed into in the tale of Zee Germans, as Lalo tailing Mike is what sealed Klaus' fate (his name was Klaus, right?).

But I imagine there's going to A LOT of Nacho next season. Now that Jimmy is definitely Saul, he's going to have to start doing work for Nacho soon. And I imagine shit is going to get thick with him and Lalo.

>Maybe it was hangover from not having the Chuck/Jimmy
>dynamic any longer.

Yeah, this part I didn't miss. They played out that string as far as it could go. Plus, Chuck haunted the entire season anyway. And besides, the intro this week with Chuck was one of the better and heart-breaking sequences of the season. The two flashbacks gave me all the Chuck that I needed.

>for whatever reason it just didn't feel as tightly knit as
>seasons 1-3.

You could definitely see some of the seams in that they were making a concerted effort to turn Jimmy into Saul this season. There were a few, in hindisight necessary, false starts. And sometimes it felt like they were stretching things out a bit. But they finally executed the needed time jump. I'm also not really sure that they needed to do the rejection and then the appeal at the very end, but it also paid off.

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168. "Yea the lack of Nacho would be my only true "complaint" I think."
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>They definitely decided to give his time over to the Mike and
>Zee Germans storyline, but that proved to be necessary to
>establish things to where Mike had to kill someone he liked,
>rather than the Red Herring that was Kai. And the
>Nacho/Salamanca story nicely dovetailed into in the tale of
>Zee Germans, as Lalo tailing Mike is what sealed Klaus' fate
>(his name was Klaus, right?).
>
>But I imagine there's going to A LOT of Nacho next season. Now
>that Jimmy is definitely Saul, he's going to have to start
>doing work for Nacho soon. And I imagine shit is going to get
>thick with him and Lalo.

But yea - you're not wrong that the Mike/Germans story needed telling. I do think maybe they strung it out a bit, but at the same time I don't know where they could've trimmed it or what they could've added for Nacho's story this year. I agree that they will probably advance him a lot next season. I hope so. He's terrific.


>>Maybe it was hangover from not having the Chuck/Jimmy
>>dynamic any longer.
>
>Yeah, this part I didn't miss. They played out that string as
>far as it could go. Plus, Chuck haunted the entire season
>anyway. And besides, the intro this week with Chuck was one of
>the better and heart-breaking sequences of the season. The two
>flashbacks gave me all the Chuck that I needed.

Haha you are 100% right - they couldn't have dragged their story on any longer. All's I'm saying is that maybe the change from 3 season with that dynamic front and center, to no longer having it, created a feeling that something was sort of missing. Even if I agree that they couldn't have done anything else with that story.


>You could definitely see some of the seams in that they were
>making a concerted effort to turn Jimmy into Saul this season.
>There were a few, in hindisight necessary, false starts. And
>sometimes it felt like they were stretching things out a bit.
>But they finally executed the needed time jump. I'm also not
>really sure that they needed to do the rejection and then the
>appeal at the very end, but it also paid off.

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163. "over all not as tight as previous season but still great..."
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loved the finale! Sure a lot was telegraphed but I enjoyed the execution. Also nice to see the moment of Jimmy crying alone in his car. Just a little thing to show he is still human and has feelings in there somewhere, but of course he is still Jimmy/Saul.

Knew from the moment him and Mike started getting close that Mike would end up being forced to kill. But I assumed it would be after the work was done in order to cover all tracks, on some "but Mike I did everything you asked" type steez. This way was less painful because he kinda had it coming because of the screw ups. Pushed a little too far ad ran out of passes.

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171. "initially the ending had me like "that's it?""
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but honestly there was no other way to end the season. that moment was great cause we almost forgot along the way that we were watching Saul become Saul. That last scene and his goodbye to Kim reminded us who he is.

Everything involving Mike has been great on this show. I've enjoyed every moment of it. The whole point of the cave/lab story arc was to show his evolution as well and i dig it. well done.

I'm gonna miss this show during it's break. there's not much quality stuff out there right now...at least until Narcos drops.

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172. "That's a really, really great point."
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>but honestly there was no other way to end the season. that
>moment was great cause we almost forgot along the way that we
>were watching Saul become Saul. That last scene and his
>goodbye to Kim reminded us who he is.

As cheesy as it was, that was likely the entire point. What a great call on your part. I'm kinda seeing that totally differently now. Because the way he said it was so quintessentially Saul it was almost cartoonish. But then, as you kinda touch on, Saul *himself* is cartoonish.

So yea you got a point. When I re-watch I will definitely be watching with another POV.


>I'm gonna miss this show during it's break. there's not much
>quality stuff out there right now...at least until Narcos
>drops.

Agreed. I look forward to this every year. It was painful having to wait another few months this time around. Usually it starts in what, March or April.

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173. "yeah exactly and he hasn't been cartoonish as Jimmy for the most part"
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So we all kinda forgot how goofy he is as Saul

>
>As cheesy as it was, that was likely the entire point. What a
>great call on your part. I'm kinda seeing that totally
>differently now. Because the way he said it was so
>quintessentially Saul it was almost cartoonish. But then, as
>you kinda touch on, Saul *himself* is cartoonish.
>

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164. "Lalo crashing through the ceiling was comically absurd"
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I’m enjoying his addition to the show.

  

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Mynoriti
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166. "LOL that was the weirdest shit"
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i thought he just stole the camera or something which didn't make any sense then i'm thinking.. huh? is he pulling wires through?? and dude drops like spiderman lol

  

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167. "that was some of that ole BB season 5 pseudo-magic"
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This series of shows is so on its Ps and Qs at every moment that I always get a level of joy out of these moments I totally wouldn't from less meticulous shows.


But when BB/Saul does it, it's like, SURE, give me the Mexican super spy pulling a Daredevil move


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Brew
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169. "Ahaha you ain't lying."
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gumz
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170. "not gonna lie...i loved that shit"
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i really hadn't been taking Lalo serious until now...he's a goofball but he's clearly as much of a killing machine as the twins. that one little scene let us know that

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