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This trailer has me worried that they're turning this into a generic action franchise. Sicario is a modern masterpiece.

Also I wish they had just stuck with Soldado as the title.

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>This trailer has me worried that they're turning this into a
>generic action franchise. Sicario is a modern masterpiece.

I'll support, but even if Villeneuve and Deakins were back it'd be hard to top the original.

also, as good as Brolin and Del Toro were, Blunt brought it all together. I know her story is over, but that's a big hole, character and acting-wise, to fill.

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>also, as good as Brolin and Del Toro were, Blunt brought it
>all together. I know her story is over, but that's a big hole,
>character and acting-wise, to fill.

like she wasnt a hero or even integral to the actual operation.

she was basically in the film to be used and manipulated by everyone else...even used as bait for dude who took her home and almost killed her. i mean they admitted she was included just so they could circumvent the legal constraints.

it makes a lot of sense they would just discard her and stay with the characters who are in and of that environment. its like she served her purpose and that world moves on without her. true to real life.

Granted the trailer looked great and if that trailer was for a movie that introduced those characters, my interest would be greater.

But Sicario's best aspect was the commentary on the nature of the 'war on drugs' and the contradictions between the simple life the war is meant to bring to America and the mind-warping complexity of that war.

This movie seems like a great movie, but has no real connection to the original story than the characters.

I may see this, but I'm not hoping it to top the original.


Random note: Does anyone think that the producers will do with this 'franchise' what the Alien producers did with that series in that each movie in the series might have a different theme?

>Also I wish they had just stuck with Soldado as the title.

I kinda hated how dumb Blunt’s character was in part 1. My favorite part was Benicio at the end so focusing on him is perfect

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holy shit!

The trailer seemed to spell out the plot of the whole movie, which I personally would have liked to have been surprised by during a viewing of the movie.

Also, my sister has a theory about trailer length and movie quality. Basically, if the trailer is long, say over a minute and thirty seconds, the movie rarely lives up to the hype of the trailer.

I'd like to be wrong because the setup seems nice, but I'll have to wait until the initial reviews come in.

That being said, the framing of the shots and the actions sequences look good.

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>The trailer seemed to spell out the plot of the whole movie

Should have stuck w/ Sicario: Soldado or had balls and called it Soldado

Day of the Soldado sounds like a Isaac Florentine joint (no offense to the god)

But otherwise....Logan via the Sicario world? Yes, fucking please

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much less grounded in reality than the first one. it was definitely sensationalized, but... this is... Sicario x10

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it's a small touch but it's cool and creative. like Nolan's Batflicks each having their own standalone titles. or any other franchise that drops the main title to give the newer movies their own identity (kinda).

the trailer looks lit as fuck tho. definitely not gonna be anything like the first. Benicio fucking shit up is gonna be fun.

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Got faith in Sheridan should he decide to make it a trilogy too

It ain't that good

https://www.washingtonpost.com/goingoutguide/movies/dumbed-down-sicario-sequel-is-a-film-in-the-midst-of-a-profound-identity-crisis/2018/06/27/9d843796-74a7-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html


http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/sicario-2-day-of-the-soldado-review.html

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it's largely well-executed but thoroughly unnecessary.

it's so oddly paced that I had no idea how much movie was left until the final scene.

for an unnecessary sequel to a self-contained film in Sicario, it is a strikingly odd choice to lean so hard into needing a third film (especially since a third film is not guaranteed financially).

as a HUGE fan of the original, this film doesn't detract from that films excellence but it sure doesn't add anything of much value.

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it's a really stupid movie

first is still the goods

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Unlike the first film, this gets boring in stretches. And the 3rd act is ass cheeks.

Taylor's writing here is disappointing b. Especially since there's a whole plotline with a teenager used to set up a third one (fuck that).

Shout out to the director and DP for making a direct to video sequel cinematic.

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taylor sheridan has his first major misstep. also, it seems like such a smaller film than sicario in scope. we never see the effects of Brolin's plan/actions.

and while del toro largely acquits himself it seemed like a different peformance than the first film. his accent, labored line-delivery in Sicario struck me as missing.

it's very much the dtv-sequel to a vastly superior film. they really lean into that in the final moments of this.

i was actually very concerned about the premise going into this especially considering the current times but at least sheridan isn't a right-wing reactionary himself and the film is ultimately about our government manipulating those conservative wet dreams to justify a war they're all too eager to start. still, for a film as unnecessary and unremarkable as this, it's not really worth a large portion of the population not getting it and being like 'see! we knew it!'

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The terrorist stuff never plays an integral role to the film. It's almost like Taylor Sheridan started there and just said fuck that shit halfway.

Having said that, I might've enjoyed the film more than others primarily because I tried hard to not think about the first film at all while watching this.

This film automatically loses any luster it has as soon you compare it to the OG (which is practically flawless).

Giving Alejandro and Graver bits of redemption is a misstep to me, especially since the Sicario world has been painted as such a place where doing the right thing will definitely not work.

It's okay. I wouldn't go as far as to call it direct-to-video because there was enough there in the film to hold my attention. I just wasn't floored.
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i was really looking forward to this flick.

like was said above the 1st 20 minutes alone... it's brainwash tripe for the idiots who'll buy into the fear... after that it's straight ahead dummy action with a reasonably high production quality and minimal to no character work.

entertainment value was not NULL but it was definitely marginal and in no way comparable to the OG.

1. Can someone tell me what the plan was when they took the girl back to Mexico? I'm sure that bit was supposed to feel like chaos, but I had no clue what was going on. I've spoken to two other people who saw it and they couldn't figure it out either. Are we all just stupid? What was the plan there? But that's not the biggest complaint-- the BIGGEST complaint is

2. Del Toro and Brolin growing moral compasses at the end about the girl. Both moves are COMPLETELY unearned. We don't understand at all why they've had this change of heart, especially since they were both happy to murder kids in the first movie! The movie is nasty and amoral in all sorts of ways that you'd expect without Blunt's character to counterbalance Brolin/Del Toro, but you *can't* just give them hero turns for absolutely no reason. It's weird to say this, but the movie genuinely would've been better if they'd murdered the teenage girl.

Other than that, obviously isn't as well-shot/directed, but it has its moments, the acting is good, a few good Sheridan zingers, some decently shot action. Nothing to write home about. I would've liked it fine enough for a matinee were it not for the goddamn sudden moral compasses. Either be a movie bent on showing us moral behavior or a movie bent on showing us amoral-- or show the journey from one side to the other. Don't just give us a happy ending-- ESPECIALLY when Sicario's effectiveness hinged so heavily on how bold its ending was.

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>1. Can someone tell me what the plan was when they took the
>girl back to Mexico? I'm sure that bit was supposed to feel
>like chaos, but I had no clue what was going on. I've spoken
>to two other people who saw it and they couldn't figure it out
>either. Are we all just stupid? What was the plan there? But
>that's not the biggest complaint-- the BIGGEST complaint

I was lost there too

>
>2. Del Toro and Brolin growing moral compasses at the end
>about the girl. Both moves are COMPLETELY unearned. We don't
>understand at all why they've had this change of heart,
>especially since they were both happy to murder kids in the
>first movie! The movie is nasty and amoral in all sorts of
>ways that you'd expect without Blunt's character to
>counterbalance Brolin/Del Toro, but you *can't* just give them
>hero turns for absolutely no reason. It's weird to say this,
>but the movie genuinely would've been better if they'd
>murdered the teenage girl.
>
Brolin I bought cause he was pissed Alejandro was "mirked". However, Alejandro's turn I have no idea. Especially if he's going to be training a kid to be a Sicario *eye roll*.

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>>1. Can someone tell me what the plan was when they took the
>>girl back to Mexico? I'm sure that bit was supposed to feel
>>like chaos, but I had no clue what was going on. I've spoken
>>to two other people who saw it and they couldn't figure it
>out
>>either. Are we all just stupid? What was the plan there? But
>>that's not the biggest complaint-- the BIGGEST complaint
>
>I was lost there too
>

I think they were planning on putting her in mexican federal or state custody in a rival cartels territory.. make it seem as if she was found there hence they(rival cartel) had abducted her... with the expectation that when retrieved by her fathers people it would turn into a fight for them to leave... weak.. and thin.


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>>2. Del Toro and Brolin growing moral compasses at the end
>>about the girl. Both moves are COMPLETELY unearned. We don't
>>understand at all why they've had this change of heart,
>>especially since they were both happy to murder kids in the
>>first movie! The movie is nasty and amoral in all sorts of
>>ways that you'd expect without Blunt's character to
>>counterbalance Brolin/Del Toro, but you *can't* just give
>them
>>hero turns for absolutely no reason. It's weird to say this,
>>but the movie genuinely would've been better if they'd
>>murdered the teenage girl.
>>
>Brolin I bought cause he was pissed Alejandro was "mirked".
>However, Alejandro's turn I have no idea. Especially if he's
>going to be training a kid to be a Sicario *eye roll*.
>

this I kind of bought in that Alejandro's whole character is based on his need to avenge his own family so while the ending of the first movie showed his cold nature I can buy that it's not a complete story of his scruples on the issue... what I found interesting were two pieces of dialog when she 1st says "They" instead of saying her father killed his family and when Brolin speaks one line about what it took to create Alejandro.. the implication there added a little more level to the story and allows for what they'd like top do with sicaro 3 but I'm guessing the talent won't be back for that one so they'll have to lose the Alejandro story and we may be spared a 3 because of it.

>1. Can someone tell me what the plan was when they took the
>girl back to Mexico? I'm sure that bit was supposed to feel
>like chaos, but I had no clue what was going on. I've spoken
>to two other people who saw it and they couldn't figure it out
>either. Are we all just stupid? What was the plan there? But
>that's not the biggest complaint-- the BIGGEST complaint is

As I understood it, the girl was getting dropped off in Mexico to set off a war between the cartels. Also, her kidnapping had already accomplished all that it was supposed to. The plan went south when the ambushed occurred.

>2. Del Toro and Brolin growing moral compasses at the end
>about the girl. Both moves are COMPLETELY unearned. We don't
>understand at all why they've had this change of heart,
>especially since they were both happy to murder kids in the
>first movie! The movie is nasty and amoral in all sorts of
>ways that you'd expect without Blunt's character to
>counterbalance Brolin/Del Toro, but you *can't* just give them
>hero turns for absolutely no reason. It's weird to say this,
>but the movie genuinely would've been better if they'd
>murdered the teenage girl.
>

I had a problem with this too. Alejandro's point seemed to be that murdering the girl was an unnecessary step. Graver saving the girl seemed to be more out of respect to Alejandro, whom he believed to be dead. It still doesn't make complete sense because Graver has absolutely no use for the girl. He'll probably just drop her off somewhere because he knows that the other people involved probably don't have the balls to kill the girl.

>Other than that, obviously isn't as well-shot/directed, but it
>has its moments, the acting is good, a few good Sheridan
>zingers, some decently shot action. Nothing to write home
>about. I would've liked it fine enough for a matinee were it
>not for the goddamn sudden moral compasses. Either be a movie
>bent on showing us moral behavior or a movie bent on showing
>us amoral-- or show the journey from one side to the other.
>Don't just give us a happy ending-- ESPECIALLY when Sicario's
>effectiveness hinged so heavily on how bold its ending was.

If Sicario wasn't the great film it was I think people would be more forgiving. But Sicario was that great. This film basically gets the same treatment as, say, Godfather 3--a movie that's not entirely bad, but godawful when compared to its predecessors.
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otherwise yeah, I had low expectations and they delivered on that. Was actually surprised to see Taylor Sheridan was involved considering his previous output (I always go into movies as unspoiled as I can, I thought this sequel was just a quick cash-grab)

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especially since Alejandro and Graver still had more than enough motivation to continue their work from the first film.

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caught a late show on Friday night and clearly felt my age as I fell asleep with about 30min left in the movie..

I was in an out of sleep, doing the head nod, and woke up to the ending feeling so fucking confused

the pacing in this movie was hella suspect. i avoided reading reviews until after i had seen it, but now i'm left wondering what the hell happened and why that kid gets any love at the end

totally different direction from the 1st movie, and i really don't understand why they even made this sequel aside from pandering to conservative audiences..

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