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bwood
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"Jessica Jones Season 2"


          

March 8th. She's back.

https://youtu.be/QK_iX5cPDhE

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and so is Kilgrave apparently
Dec 12th 2017
1
I really wish they didnt kill him in the first season.
Dec 12th 2017
3
I hope it's just as flashbacks
Dec 12th 2017
4
This ^^^
Dec 12th 2017
6
From what I read it sounds like his likeness manifests as a form of ptsd
Dec 12th 2017
7
He was actually a welcome addition.
Mar 16th 2018
36
Cant Wait!
Dec 12th 2017
2
Anyone else find it weird that this drops on a Thursday?
Dec 12th 2017
5
Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 | Official Trailer
Feb 07th 2018
8
Killgrave is honestly the GOAT villain to me.
Feb 09th 2018
9
the way he was built up and when you finally "meet" him
Feb 10th 2018
10
wish they hadnt killed him off in the first season...
Feb 16th 2018
11
Jessica Jones is, IDK, the ONLY "superhero" property that
Feb 22nd 2018
14
      I agree, but I think they can pull it off
Feb 22nd 2018
15
           I dig Punisher, but the Bash Brother was too much
Feb 22nd 2018
16
Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 | Trailer: Her Way
Feb 20th 2018
12
j0510 the king of trailers
Feb 20th 2018
13
I can barely tell what's season 1 or 2.
Feb 22nd 2018
17
FUCK!!!! First reviews are in and they say this is slow as shit.
Feb 27th 2018
18
sadly, I called it:
Feb 27th 2018
19
s1 was already slow how can it get slower.
Feb 27th 2018
20
      it might have been slow making things happen, but each episode
Feb 27th 2018
21
      >how can it get slower.
Feb 27th 2018
22
           LMAO!!!!
Apr 27th 2018
43
Halfway through
Mar 08th 2018
23
Finished. It was eh. *some spoilers*.
Mar 09th 2018
24
I thought it was better than S1, but you're spot on.
Apr 27th 2018
44
Not very good
Mar 09th 2018
25
Did Marvel do anything with the comic itself? Are women writing it?
Mar 09th 2018
26
It's been Bendis' and it's been very good.
Mar 09th 2018
27
Her sour puss, negative-response-for-everything shit is annoying
Mar 11th 2018
28
enjoying it after 5 episodes
Mar 12th 2018
29
finished episode 10
Mar 19th 2018
38
My review
Mar 12th 2018
30
Its hard when the source material is only 40 comics in
Mar 14th 2018
31
Finished it. Would have been stellar 8 episodes.
Mar 14th 2018
32
CoSign....
Mar 16th 2018
33
      Yup. Exactly.
Mar 16th 2018
34
           to be honest....
Mar 16th 2018
35
                Give the first season of The Punisher a whirl
Mar 17th 2018
37
                     oh i saw that one too...
Mar 21st 2018
40
In the end the show just kinda ticked me off with the ridiculousness of ...
Mar 20th 2018
39
That went sideways REAL quick, right?
Apr 27th 2018
45
finally started this. 5 Eps in
Apr 02nd 2018
41
Just finished it. I was pleasantly surprised.
Apr 27th 2018
42
It was good. Thoughts:
Apr 27th 2018
46
      RE: It was good. Thoughts:
Apr 30th 2018
47
Late entry here
Jul 10th 2018
48
I didn't love it
Jul 24th 2018
49
THIS
Jul 25th 2018
52
I wrote this in a FB Group
Jul 24th 2018
50
Trish was a real deal trash monster.
Jul 24th 2018
51
RE: Jessica Jones Season 2
Sep 26th 2018
53

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1. "and so is Kilgrave apparently"
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but i'm betting either in flashback form or as some kinda manifestation of her psyche.

or...he's still alive?

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3. "I really wish they didnt kill him in the first season."
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Im assuming its flash backs, or just hallucinations in her mind.

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4. "I hope it's just as flashbacks"
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I thought David Tennant was a terrific villain in this. But his arc came to a satisfying end and they should just move on from that.

  

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6. "This ^^^"
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Sums it up perfectly.

>I thought David Tennant was a terrific villain in this. But
>his arc came to a satisfying end and they should just move on
>from that.

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7. "From what I read it sounds like his likeness manifests as a form of ptsd"
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There's also some thing that sound like Killgrave set into motion before his death.

All of which is a dope ass way to go forward with these two characters.

  

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36. "He was actually a welcome addition. "
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Him showing up breathed life into the latter episodes.

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2. "Cant Wait!"
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J Jones was one of my favs of all the shows.

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bwood
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5. "Anyone else find it weird that this drops on a Thursday?"
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Like why not Friday like the rest of 'em.

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8. "Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 | Official Trailer "
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Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 | Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSvnepZS26s

  

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9. "Killgrave is honestly the GOAT villain to me. "
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10. "the way he was built up and when you finally "meet" him"
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man i dont know if ive actually been that legitimately frightened by something in a tv show before

  

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11. "wish they hadnt killed him off in the first season..."
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I see he is in this season. Im assuming just as a hallucination or voice in her head.

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14. "Jessica Jones is, IDK, the ONLY "superhero" property that"
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you can sell to someone that gives not a damn about superheroes.

that first season was just great art and has only grown stronger over time. the superpowers were a vital window into the worlds of codependency and white male entitlement.

Kilgrave worked brilliantly as both a raw human being with emotions and motivations and also as an avatar for broader concepts that have only become more prescient in the years since the show debuted.

it's partially why I'm worried I just won't be able to care about this second season, and honestly haven't been able to check in for any of the other Defenders series' since the Jones season wrapped (I gave Daredevil Season 2 four episodes and just couldn't tolerate Foggy anymore). that first season set the bar so high thematically that I can't lower my expectations appropriately for anything else involving Jones' character.

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15. "I agree, but I think they can pull it off"
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Unlike you, I didn't really mind Daredevil season 2. If anything, it gave us Jon Berenthal as the Punisher, which I thought was well done.

But I agree that every other Marvel show pales in comparison to Jessica Jones .

I think as long as they keep on using the genre just as a vehicle to talk about pretty relevant issues, in particular feminist ones, they'll do fine.

My only worry is that they might focus more on the superhero part, and explore how she got her powers, her origin story, blah blah blah--stuff that the first season avoided entirely and was all the more interesting for it.

  

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16. "I dig Punisher, but the Bash Brother was too much"
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I can't think of another show that's so aggressively soured me on a character


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12. "Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 | Trailer: Her Way"
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Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 | Trailer: Her Way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL4Fo6dJ3o8

  

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bwood
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13. "j0510 the king of trailers"
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I think we're good for trailers for this. This drops in two weeks.

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17. "I can barely tell what's season 1 or 2."
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18. "FUCK!!!! First reviews are in and they say this is slow as shit."
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Saying the thirteen episode count kills this and that the show has no sense of direction now that Killgrave is gone. Apparently, this season's villain is a letdown.

They're saying that if the characters of Jess, Trish, Malcolm, and Jerri from the first season no one would give a fuck.

*sighs* This is exactly what I was afraid of b.

Next Thursday...we'll find out.

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19. "sadly, I called it:"
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Post #15:

"My only worry is that they might focus more on the superhero part, and explore how she got her powers, her origin story, blah blah blah--stuff that the first season avoided entirely and was all the more interesting for it."

Sadly, from the few reviews I just read, this is exactly what season 2 does.

To be honest, though, it would have been pretty hard to match everything they brought in season 1, especially a villain as good as David Tennant's character.


  

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20. "s1 was already slow how can it get slower."
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21. "it might have been slow making things happen, but each episode"
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skimming the synopses, each character had something come into question about them and get answered on something like a three episode cycle, from Jones to the lawyer's would-be ex-wife. And I feel like once Kilgrave fully flexed at the end of episode 7, it was just non-stop what-what-WHAT from then on.

ultimately it was a small story, but I feel like it had a very kinetic appeal to it.



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22. ">how can it get slower."
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by removing the one villain they spent every episode "almost" catching and letting get away

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43. "LMAO!!!!"
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>by removing the one villain they spent every episode "almost"
>catching and letting get away

LOLOL!!!

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23. "Halfway through "
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There's things I love and things that are fucking awful .

These shoes mos def need to be shorter. And with better writing.

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24. "Finished. It was eh. *some spoilers*. "
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Definitely a step down from season 1.

The so-called "villian" was lame as fuck, and once again JJ spent way too much time chillin' and talking with the main antagonist instead of just taking care of business.

Also, in general, I think these Netflix shows need to ramp up the super-heroness of these shows. Just four or five straight episodes of exposition with barely a punch thrown in nauseating. Needs way more action. The WB DC shows manage it, don't know why it's so hard here.And yes, they need to start capping these shows at 8-10 eps max.

Lastly, I really started to hate Trish this season. She just seemed out of character from her previous portrayals and was self-centered as a mofo the whole season. Didn't like the way she constantly sorta sabotaged JJ. Her taking Simpson's inhaler drug just seemed like it came out of nowhere and the ending for her character was telegraphed badly. But mostly I hated her this season. And that shit with Malcolm just seemed tacked on.

Speaking of Malcolm, when he said "I"m tired of being the realest one here" I was like WORD, SON. Only dude the whole season that was reasonably written outside of JJ. Like he pretty much made a logical progression from who he was to who he want to be and showed some real growth. He could be a force in the future.

JJ I still fucks with, but the lonely drunk routine is getting a bit tired. Would like to see more growth from her too. She went through several iterations of herself in the comics. I'd like to sorta see her either reach for a higher purpose or just really really dig her teeth into making Alias something better than what it is.

But overall, it's slow and step down.
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44. "I thought it was better than S1, but you're spot on."
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>
>The so-called "villian" was lame as fuck, and once again JJ
>spent way too much time chillin' and talking with the main
>antagonist instead of just taking care of business.

Yep. As much as I hate it, this show needed a big ass cliche' "Hero vs Villain" fight. We never got it with these two. They have similar powers, so it would've been awesome.


>
>Also, in general, I think these Netflix shows need to ramp up
>the super-heroness of these shows. Just four or five straight
>episodes of exposition with barely a punch thrown in
>nauseating. Needs way more action. The WB DC shows manage it,
>don't know why it's so hard here.And yes, they need to start
>capping these shows at 8-10 eps max.

Agreed.

>
>Lastly, I really started to hate Trish this season. She just
>seemed out of character from her previous portrayals and was
>self-centered as a mofo the whole season. Didn't like the way
>she constantly sorta sabotaged JJ. Her taking Simpson's
>inhaler drug just seemed like it came out of nowhere and the
>ending for her character was telegraphed badly. But mostly I
>hated her this season. And that shit with Malcolm just seemed
>tacked on.
>

I actually like Trish. She's kinda in the way sometimes ( and always manages to make a mess of things), but I like the character.

>Speaking of Malcolm, when he said "I"m tired of being the
>realest one here" I was like WORD, SON. Only dude the whole
>season that was reasonably written outside of JJ. Like he
>pretty much made a logical progression from who he was to who
>he want to be and showed some real growth. He could be a force
>in the future.

Yep.

>
>JJ I still fucks with, but the lonely drunk routine is getting
>a bit tired. Would like to see more growth from her too. She
>went through several iterations of herself in the comics. I'd
>like to sorta see her either reach for a higher purpose or
>just really really dig her teeth into making Alias something
>better than what it is.

Absolutely. I found myself yelling "Stop being such a bitch all the time!!!" at my TV. We get it. She doesn't like opening up to people, but she's a surly, unpleasant person for about 95% of the show. It gets old.

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25. "Not very good"
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Way too long
Way too many episodes where nothing goes on
Trisha on the inhaler

I can’t think of one thing I really enjoyed.

  

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26. "Did Marvel do anything with the comic itself? Are women writing it?"
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27. "It's been Bendis' and it's been very good."
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28. "Her sour puss, negative-response-for-everything shit is annoying"
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It was kind of the comedic element on the first season, but with this and a The Defenders, this shit is annoying as fuck.

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29. "enjoying it after 5 episodes"
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pace seems good to me. could do with slightly shorter episodes.

  

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38. "finished episode 10"
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up to episode 9 i was still enjoying it. I thought it could had ended after episode 9. I thought 10 was the last ep and I was wondering why they bothered halfway through. Then I got confused with them setting more things up as the ep kept going.

it does feel like its dragging at this point.

  

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30. "My review"
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Netflix is no longer the brand it once was. With over seven-hundred films and television shows coming to the streaming site, it’s clearly quantity over quality. Jessica Jones is one of the best Marvel Netflix series bar none. With its Season 2 return, the mighty Defender takes a tumble that the other shows have.
Spoilers from here on out for those who haven’t finished the series.

I like that the theme of the season is moving on and overcoming trauma after defeating your abuser. There are scenes and emotional turning points that nail it and would stand out more if this was eight episodes instead of thirteen. However, the story chosen to frame that theme around is not good. In choosing to explore how Jessica got her powers as well as maker her mother the villain is the tritest and tired story told in these type of superhero stories.

How Jessica got her powers, as well as her relationship with her mom, was one that not needed and did not jive well with bigger feminist themes that made the first season so strong (as well as what makes the best aspects of this season). You know it’s a problem when Malcom Ducasse, played wonderfully by Eka Darville, has the best arc out of all the characters this season. Even though Malcolm has recovered as a drug addict, he’s now traded that in as a sex addict. Watching that get in the way of business is hard as he proves himself resourceful as a private investigator. A better one than Jessica is. Carrie-Anne Moss as Jerri continues to be a highlight as her story this season is very good despite a couple of scenes that are utterly stupid. Her going to Brooklyn in the middle of the day to pick up a prostitute off the streets reeks of someone who’s only visited New York for a day tops.

The Netflix bloat hurts this second season as well as we have to watch a Jessica contend with a rival P.I., Trish (Rachel Taylor) having two arcs this season that feel like whiplash on how they change on a dime, the return of Will Simpson (Wil Traval) that’s an utter waste, Jess contending with two cops, and a new landlord love interest cause you know a girl just can’t be single for a while.

The wheel-spinning that people hated in the first season (I didn’t), here kills me. When we got to the end of episode twelve, the fact that Jessica is stalling on killing her mother got tiresome. I was not sold on Jess being this attached to her mother after everything they’ve been through this season. Janet McTeer is incredible as Jess’s mom Alisa, but her and the whole IGH mystery is so poorly written, it’s a crime.

Trish and her magic inhaler that she got was a bad McGuffin for an addict trying to overcome her insecurities and become special like Jessica. Despite Rachel Taylor being a great actor, I couldn’t give a shit less about Trish this season. She was such a strong character in not only the first season of Jessica Jones, but in The Defenders as well. By the season’s end, it looks like she’ll finally be Hellcat in whatever comes next.

The good things about this season is that Jessica is still a great character. Krysten Ritter continues to deliver on and build on a strong character. And smartly they lean more into the noir style and trappings this season. With that, the voiceover doesn’t work as instead of a stream of conscious enhancing the scene, it’s Jessica telling us what we already know as well as what’s unfolding on the screen. It reminded me of the very bad voiceover from the Blade Runner theatrical cut that’s explaining every single thing to you, holding your hand like a child.

One thing that’s been pointed out is how prestige television has set itself up to have thirteen episode runs. To the benefit of both Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Better Call Saul is that they’re forty-five minutes, so they were able to keep that quality up. For things like The Sopranos and The Wire, David Chase and David Simon are so meticulous that they are able to fill out thirteen episodes with sprawling, personal stories that never make any season of either show feel bloated. In fact, HBO has moved away from thirteen to ten and the show are significantly better for it. Imagine Game of Thrones and Westworld with thirteen-episode seasons. Netflix needs to learn from this model as so far all of their shows have proven too long with Stranger Things being the exception. The Netflix bloat is becoming a problem with the storytelling. So much so, that the last season of Orange is the New Black (it’s fifth season), felt like one big bottle episode which worked in its favor. Frankly, all the Marvel Netflix shows have about eight episodes worth of story in them. Filling it out to thirteen has made for some really bad choices to extend arcs past their natural storytelling points.

If they couldn’t stick the landing on the second season of Jessica Jones, then I’m out. It would be cool to start exploring the relationship between her and Luke, but Jeph Loeb seems intent on not making that happen and for what? What’s more peculiar is the fact that Krysten says that a second season of The Defenders will not happen. What was the point of all this then? I’ll give The Punisher Season Two a shot as I trust Steve Lightfoot, but as it stands this will be my last review of Marvel Netflix until something changes.

Sure, the references to Captain America and The Raft are cool, but if you can’t tell a compelling story, then these shows are just not worth it.

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31. "Its hard when the source material is only 40 comics in"
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and they've exhausted all of the stories that are out there about jessica. Except the ones with Luke and her the baby.

Netflix needs to cut the show order going forward. 8 Episodes max and tell fast paced compelling stories.

This plodding hoping that actors get to chew the scenary is getting old.

I liked KR as Jess in season 1 and the Defenders but this is taking a turn I can't clap to.

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32. "Finished it. Would have been stellar 8 episodes. "
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it was still okay. Just not as solid as season 1. And by the end the "death" had no punch because I had stopped caring by the time it happened.

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>And by the
>end the "death" had no punch because I had stopped caring by
>the time it happened.

It landed with a big thud. Plus the prolonging of that death was tired.

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35. "to be honest...."
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>>And by the
>>end the "death" had no punch because I had stopped caring by
>>the time it happened.
>
>It landed with a big thud. Plus the prolonging of that death
>was tired.
>

to be honest, i had to sit here and think for a few minutes to try to even remember who it was that died.

i LOVED JJ season 1. I go back & forth between JJ season1 and DD season 1 as my SECOND favorite Marvel TV show (Legion season one is HANDS DOWN my #1 favorite Marvel TV show)

JJ season 2 was ok...there were elements of that i really liked. Ritter is still great as JJ, Carrie Anne Moss is GREAT as Jerri, as others have mentioned i too thought Malcolm's story arch was the most legit of the characters this season (and the actor playing him is good too), and the lady playing JJ's mom gave a stellar performance, even if the character and plot lines she was given weren't up to the high level of her acting.)

there were other things that just weren't quite as satisfying as they could have been...

i know people keep saying 'the series needs to be 8 episodes or whatever....i say don't tie it to that specific number, don't tie yourself to ANY specific number of episodes....

i say START with "what story do i want to tell?"...then go to: "whats the best MOST provocative way to tell THAT story in a believable and engaging way?"...then JUST do THAT...period. If that PARTICULAR story takes 6 episodes, or 16 episodes...then THATs how long THAT season needs to be. Period. no filler. Just focus on the story at hand....the character arch's that you want to focus on this season...Then you get the MOST satisfying product out there...most satisfying to the creators AND to the consumers...







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37. "Give the first season of The Punisher a whirl"
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That's the best season of Marvel Netflix IMO.

Punisher 1, JJ 1, and then DD 1 in that order for me. Really hope Punisher season 2 can break the mold.

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40. "oh i saw that one too..."
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>RE: Give the first season of The Punisher a whirl>
>That's the best season of Marvel Netflix IMO.
>
>Punisher 1, JJ 1, and then DD 1 in that order for me. Really
>hope Punisher season 2 can break the mold.
>

....and no doubt, i really dug Punisher season 1. i thought that one was very well done...

'Legion' is still my #1 though (though its not a Netflix show

then after that, for me its a battle between JJ1 & DD1 (with JJ1 usually winning)

but i'd probably say yeah, Punisher1 would be right there nipping at the heels of DD1 for the #3.

followed by DD2 & Luke Cage (god the 1st part of Luke was really really enjoyable...but then they ****SPOILIER**** ....kill the BEST villain in the show, Cottonmouth!! dude was interesting, had legit motives and a history...a very well developed villain that you enjoyed watching JUST as much if not more than the main hero. Mahershala Ali was KILLIN it to! i wanted more & MORE of Cottonmouth but... nope. #@##!!! i was dumbfounded (and kinda pissed) when they axed him)





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39. "In the end the show just kinda ticked me off with the ridiculousness of ..."
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... I was tired of all of them..... Trish just annoyed me all season, and I agreed with Jessica's statement to her in the end.... I could have liked Hogarth's story more if it wasn't so ridiculous.....

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45. "That went sideways REAL quick, right?"
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> I could have liked Hogarth's story more if it wasn't
>so ridiculous.....


from 'reckless, self-destructive behavior' to 'cold, calculating mastermind' There was no in-between.

(also, they never really gave us a scene that shows us that she's come to grips with her condition. I think that would've helped. She went from "fuck it" to "Destroy my enemies and rebuild my life" in like, two episodes.

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41. "finally started this. 5 Eps in"
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It's definitely not as good as season 1, but I don't see the hate yet. It's okay.

Maybe Iron Fist and The Defenders just set the bar so low that anything is a step up.

It's fine. Kristen Ritter is good. The mystery is okay. Sure it's sorely lacking a villain with the amazing presence that David Tennant had, but I kind of went in expecting that.

The one thing that irks me is that Luke Cage was a big part of season 1. I know that ultimately it was just to introduce him and lead into his own show, but in terms of the story it just goes nowhere. I wanted to see more interaction between them, but at this point I doubt we'll get it now (in her show or his)--which is really disappointing knowing how their relationship developed in the comics.

Anyway, I'll see how they stretch this shit out for 8 more eps, but so far, so good.

  

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42. "Just finished it. I was pleasantly surprised."
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It was slow, but it finished strong. The last 4 eps were pretty damned good. The lack of a true villain hurts this show, and I'm sick of Jessica's bitchiness. She's actually my least favorite character on the show. But I think it was better than S1. I was ready to tap out.

**** SPOILERS ****

I liked Malcolm's character arc, and I'm interested to see how he and Jessica interact in S3.

I wanna like Trish, but she's got too much shit goin' on.

Jeri? What can I say? She's cold blooded. I LOVE her character.

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46. "It was good. Thoughts: "
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-It wasn't as good as the first season, but okay

-I feel like David Tenant was shoehorned in near the end because, see above

-I liked that it was another season that focused on the women and women's issues, not just a case where the women are entangled in situations mostly dealing with men.

-Why do the few handful of black folks on this show get
killed or treated like garbage?

-The big climax with Trish and Jessica's mom was weak. I see why they did it, but that was a poor payoff.

-Sadly, I don't buy that Jessica and Trish were lifelong BFFs. The chemistry wasn't there. AT ALL. Jessica and Jerri have way better chemistry. Together, they at least seem like two people that meet and know exactly who they're dealing with.

-That's fine that they're building Trish up to be the next villain, but man, this show really played its best hand way too early by starting off with a villain that can never really be topped.

-I get why, but the lack of Luke Cage in this season was off-putting. I get that they are mostly distancing themselves from the failure that was The Defenders, but damn, dude was the love interest in season 1, but doesn't even get a passing mention here.

-I was disappointed in getting an origin story. It was much more amusing when we didn't know why the hell she had super powers, and just had to go along for the ride.

Overall, decent. I'm still all in for season 3.


  

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47. "RE: It was good. Thoughts: "
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>
>-Why do the few handful of black folks on this show get
>killed or treated like garbage?

Ennh. Malcolm is a pretty strong character.

>
>-The big climax with Trish and Jessica's mom was weak. I see
>why they did it, but that was a poor payoff.

That was TERRIBLE.


>-That's fine that they're building Trish up to be the next
>villain, but man, this show really played its best hand way
>too early by starting off with a villain that can never really
>be topped.
>


I'm under the impression that Trish is going to be a hero. Think about it. she wants to be a hero, and she was willing to undergo an experiment to get powers. I can't see her flipping to be a villain. ( I looked it up on the Wiki, and it confirms she becomes a superhero, But They might throw us a curve by straying away from the comic).

>-I get why, but the lack of Luke Cage in this season was
>off-putting. I get that they are mostly distancing themselves
>from the failure that was The Defenders, but damn, dude was
>the love interest in season 1, but doesn't even get a passing
>mention here.

Agreed. Aside from Turk and Foggy, they kept the crossovers to a minimum, which is crazy, because that's part of what keeps us watching. I don't get it.

>
>-I was disappointed in getting an origin story. It was much
>more amusing when we didn't know why the hell she had super
>powers, and just had to go along for the ride.
>

Ennh, that was ok with me.

>Overall, decent. I'm still all in for season 3.
>
>

They better come hard. It'll be a hard sell for me to come back. I'm good with Daredevil and The Punisher. I'm on the fence with Luke Cage. I REALLY enjoyed it, but it was more "glad to finally see him on his own show" than the show itself.
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48. "Late entry here"
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I agree with the consensus in that this storyline dragged on much longer than it needed to. They threw too much in instead of JUST focusing on the following themes:

- Malcolm and Jessica's relationship, and Malcolm's past

His family that exists and hers that doesn't would have made for some strong parallels that brought them to this point. And for her to be as assholish with the care she gave him season 1 was a bit forced.

- Jessica and her mother
Jessica and her mother had really good chemistry. She was the one person from her past who knew her before she changed but was also the only person in her present who could relate to her. Her disabusing Jessica of the "happy family" she remembered could have helped her to come to terms with some issues she has been self-medicating into the shadows. Wistful notions of what could have been when they were working together did not feel forced, even if inevitably, all the murders her mother had committed could only lead in one direction, although would have been nice if they put her on trial. I felt that her animosity with Trish was unnecessarily contrived.
Was NOT MAD at seeing her relationship with the dude her mom murked. Gave some useful insight into Jess and Trish's past.

- Jerri's illness and her background

Using an IGH con scheme to extract info about her pass and inner workings was a mess. trite. While the dichotomy between one's personal and professional life can often run the spectrum, Jerri doesn't even act like a player, just a cuck who can't resist any attractive woman who comes her way. Great character, just some bad story writing. How she gonna call in a murder to 911 on her own personal phone? :/

- Trish's insecurity

She was doing too much. Wild reckless and did Jess crazy dirty on multiple occasions. And after almost dying she made it in time to pop Jess's mom? She was never more than fluff in her career, she gonna go from 0 to 100 just like that? AND Jess can't figure out she's back on some shit??

They forced way too much with her. And tried to create a far more compelling character than was originally written.




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49. "I didn't love it"
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- Too much Trish, and even the reach to get her to be in a position to become Hellcat next season isn't enough to save it for me.

- The lack of a real villain hurts this.

- Jeryn Hogarth might be my favorite character in this entire show.

- Malcolm has his issues, but I like that and finally hoping he gets better than what he got with Jess. I'm sure he's picked up a lot, but he deserves better.

- Jess frustrates me to no end. I get why she looks at Trish the way she does by the end and that's earned. I just hate the way she looks at the world.

- This could do with more crossover, all of these shows need to be like the first 5 WU albums you get the whole crew in every series.

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- This could do with more crossover, all of these shows need to be like the first 5 WU albums you get the whole crew in every series.

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Okay. Let's talk about Jessica Jones Season 2. I've finally finished all 13 episodes. And this season was a mixed bag. I think season 1 was better to be honest. Kilgrave was a much more compelling and charming bad guy.

This season suffered from what ALL the Marvel Netflix shows suffer from. It dragged on too long. I feel like these seasons should be 10 episodes long. Thirteen episodes is entirely too much for the thin stories these Marvel shows are trying to tell.

If they don't reduce the episode count, the least they can do is produce at least three "standalone" episodes that do not directly relate to the season long narrative. Episode after episode of the main arc causes viewer fatigue in my opinion. Them sticking to the 13 episode season makes it feel like they are trying to unnecessarily stretch the story out. Relatedly, the first half of the season was better than the second half. Once Marvel shows switch the main antagonist to a new one, the show peters out.

Jessica: She really didn't show any development as a character this season. At the end she has dinner with Oscar and Vido, but other than that. She was the same a-hole all season long. She treated Malcolm like trash and all he wanted to do was help.

Malcolm: So he was hitting up Tinder? And? That's his vice? Dude was pretty much faultless this season as far as I'm concerned. He made a mistake in believing Trish, but dude's heart was in the right place. He wanted to help Jessica, people and do the right thing. And he gets manipulated by Trish and dumped on by Jessica.

Trish: Ugh. The worst. She was so annoying all season. Everything she did was bad. She took advantage of Malcolm on multiple occasions. She ruined her relationship with her boyfriend. She ruined her career. She betrayed her "sister" and killed her sister's mom. There's no way her and Jessica can get back to what they were after that. If they become cool again in future seasons, I will be very disappointed in the writers.

Alisa: Yeah. It was an interesting twist at first that Jessica's mom was alive and super powered. But that got boring real quick. Especially since it was clear they were going to stretch her story out all the way to the end. I honestly think, a better story would have been Jessica finding her mother but also finding out that there was another vigilante in the city that was going around killing powered people and Jessica and her mother were on the killer's list. If they buttressed the back half of the season with that storyline, I would have found that more engaging.

Jeri: Well, she's a miserable SOB isn't she? Right when you start to feel empathy towards her, she shows her true colors. She pretty much screws any and everybody to reach her goal. Even while she faces death, she still is trying to "win".

Overall, I thought this season was okay. Season 1 was better IMO. I would give this a letter grade of C+.

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She definitely earned “If I see that bitch in the streets...” status.

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53. "RE: Jessica Jones Season 2"
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shit, all this time i thought i had watched this, but browsing through netflix tonight i realized that i hadn't. seems like the consensus is that its a bit of a letdown. not sure if i want to watch it now, haha. maybe i'll give it a couple of episodes.

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