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Frank Longo
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"Lady Bird (Gerwig, 2017)"


  

          

Tremendously well-made coming-of-age story. Ronan is one of the great actresses alive, any age. Supporting cast is aces, writing is sharp, every needle drop is perfect.

Seek this one out. It deserves year-end love.

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Laurie Metcalf was incredible
Nov 17th 2017
1
She won't get the Supporting Actress Oscar buzz she deserves.
Nov 19th 2017
4
Aw man, why is she going to get overlooked?
Nov 20th 2017
8
Actually, I'll row back. I think I was wrong.
Nov 28th 2017
10
      yeah most of the stuff i'm seeing has her and janney as co-faves.
Dec 22nd 2017
18
Frances Ha is my favorite Baumbach for that reason.
Dec 13th 2017
12
she's always incredible
Dec 25th 2017
20
I'll look for it
Nov 17th 2017
2
Such a wonderful movie
Nov 18th 2017
3
Saw it last week and loved it
Nov 19th 2017
5
If you liked this, check out "Edge of Seventeen"
Nov 20th 2017
6
I loved that one too.
Nov 20th 2017
7
Highest rated on Rotten Tomatoes
Nov 28th 2017
9
pretty excellent.
Dec 13th 2017
11
Hanna killed it.
Dec 14th 2017
13
Not as good as Edge of Seventeen
Dec 14th 2017
14
I really disliked this movie
Dec 14th 2017
15
I liked this a lot
Dec 15th 2017
16
Letts quietly stole every scene he was in
Dec 25th 2017
19
Funny you menioned rushmore
Dec 25th 2017
22
I liked this movie A LOT
Dec 21st 2017
17
Everyone was incredible, Tracy Lets and Beanie Feldstein particularly so
Dec 25th 2017
21
Also the theatre teacher had me shedding a tear
Dec 25th 2017
23
it was cool.
Dec 27th 2017
24

Walleye
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1. "Laurie Metcalf was incredible"
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Agreed on Ronan, obviously. But this was such a great look for a wonderful actress who's primary cultural referent according to my mom, is playing Sheldon's mother on Big Bang Theory. And my mom watched Roseanne reliably.

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Frank Longo
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4. "She won't get the Supporting Actress Oscar buzz she deserves."
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She was outstanding. The scene driving away from the airport could've been so much more maudlin and overwrought than she played it, and in particular that moment really impressed me. Gerwig is such a natural filmmaker-- I was hit-or-miss on Baumbach until she got more involved in production with Frances Ha and Mistress America. She toes that line so perfectly, where she can criticize the flaws in her characters while also so very clearly displaying affection for them.

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8. "Aw man, why is she going to get overlooked?"
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Not a flashy role? Deep bench in "supporting actress" this year?

Teach me. I have literally no idea how this works. I just thought she was outstanding.

She did such a good job that it was the first bit of media that I'd ever recommended to my mom that featured an "overbearing mom" role that she didn't take personally. She once sat in on a lecture I did on Monica in Augustine's "Confessions" and got pissed off that I characterized their relationship as kind of weird. Laurie Metcalf - delivering top shelf dramatic/comedy work *and* saving me from awkward conversations with my own mother.

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Frank Longo
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10. "Actually, I'll row back. I think I was wrong."
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>Not a flashy role? Deep bench in "supporting actress" this
>year?
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>Teach me. I have literally no idea how this works. I just
>thought she was outstanding.

First off, "flash" is a huge reason why I said what I did. These sorts of beautifully acted performances that lack many big showy scenes of screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth tend to get overlooked year in and year out. Not always the case, but I don't think I watched Lady Bird and thought at any point, "There's the scene they'll play at the Oscars." Which I tend to see in most biopics and/or dramas about long-suffering women.

Second off, it rarely has to do with them being outstanding either. So much of it is political, along with name recognition/movie recognition/critical recognition/etc. I saw a category stacked with biopics (Stronger, I, Tonya, The Darkest Hour, Battle of the Sexes, and, slightly different, The Big Sick) and with previous winners (Julianne Moore, Octavia Spencer, Melissa Leo chief among them). I figured Metcalf might be one of those great performances relegated to the Independent Spirit Awards.

However, since that initial comment, Lady Bird is doing phenomenally at the indie box office ($11 mil to date, and it'll almost certainly become a higher grossing indie than anything Gerwig's done in her career to date), which makes a huge difference. In order for Academy members to vote for you, they have to either (a) know your name, (b) like you from having worked with you if you're someone who works a lot, or (c) actually *watch the film.* The more money it makes, the more buzz it generates, the more likely Academy voters are to pop the screener in-- which is insanely important considering its biggest stars, Saoirse Ronan and Laurie Metcalf, aren't exactly the biggest name draws at Hollywood parties. (For comparison, look at two performers last year in movies co-starring Gerwig-- Jackie, a biopic starring Natalie Portman about the Kennedys, and 20th Century Women, a quasi-biopic starring Annette Bening about liberals in late-1970s Santa Barbara. Jackie has the bigger name, the higher profile subject matter, and the higher box office. Portman gets a nomination, Bening gets snubbed. People know Bening, and she's worked forever, but not enough Academy voters watched it, I imagine.)

A24 has also very cleverly been publicizing the shit out of the fact that Lady Bird has the highest "tomato rating" in Rotten Tomatoes history. I loathe Rotten Tomatoes for a variety of reasons, but if they successfully put it into the moviegoing ear as something people *have to see*-- and the indie box office suggests they're doing pretty damn well at this so far-- then their odds go up tremendously.

Finally, re: my second initial point, a lot of those options have failed to generate momentum, while Lady Bird is riding high right now. So I think my concerns have been outweighed by a combination of (a) presumed front-runners sagging, (b) A24 promoting the movie wonderfully, and (c) the movie's reception by both critics and box office. (Notice, sadly, that at no point did I mention her being outstanding as a big factor. It plays a role, but every year there are so many outstanding performances that simply won't ever be watched by enough Academy members to make a difference-- and every year there are thick slices of ham served gracelessly that get voraciously lapped up by the same voters. So while she's a lock for *at least* my Top 5, personally, I try not to let my love for a performance influence whether I think someone will win/be nommed or not.)

Anyhow. Way too many words on this. tl;dr: I was wrong. I'm thinking now that she gets nommed-- and if Lady Bird can somehow cross 20/25 mil at the box office and keep this momentum going, she may actually have a chance to win too. (But I'm trying to remain cautious about my optimism for that.)

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18. "yeah most of the stuff i'm seeing has her and janney as co-faves."
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i haven't seen the film yet but i'd love to see laurie get recognized. she's been a beast for years.

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12. "Frances Ha is my favorite Baumbach for that reason."
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>Gerwig is such a natural filmmaker-- I was hit-or-miss on
>Baumbach until she got more involved in production with
>Frances Ha and Mistress America. She toes that line so
>perfectly, where she can criticize the flaws in her characters
>while also so very clearly displaying affection for them.

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20. "she's always incredible"
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2. "I'll look for it"
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3. "Such a wonderful movie"
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A bit like if Mike Leigh was from Sacramento and a woman and made a coming-of-age film. So many perfectly truthful moments in this, such full, decent characters. Nothing on the nose but it really adds up to something. One of the best I've seen in a long time.

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5. "Saw it last week and loved it"
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Really touching story without being over dramatic or relying too much on high school movie cliches. The acting was superb through and through. Hopefully it gets some serious awards season buzz.

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6. "If you liked this, check out "Edge of Seventeen""
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Very similar movies, both from first-time female directors. And both with amazing lead performances. I'm still pissed Seventeen got lost in the shuffle when it came out; it's legit brilliant. I hope the same doesn't happen to Lady Bird. I'm excited to see what both directors do next.

  

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7. "I loved that one too."
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9. "Highest rated on Rotten Tomatoes"
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Ahead of Toy Story 2

  

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11. "pretty excellent."
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evoked a lot of emotions for me -- not in exact parallel, but more about being young and thinking you know what you want. then realizing you have no idea, or that is was always there.

and now being older and being so caught up in "life" that you can forget to appreciate the moments worth remembering. because all we really have is time, time we don't get back when we drive away and try and circle back.

really good, personal debut by Gerwig. she has my attention.

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13. "Hanna killed it."
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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14. "Not as good as Edge of Seventeen"
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Or at least, not nearly as funny. First half of the movie is noticeably weaker than the 2nd. Most of the attempts at humor were too cutesy and missed the mark for me. Wasn't a fan of the frantic pace even though I understand the artistic decision. Gerwig nailed most of the dramatic scenes though...I think she has way more dramatic talent than comedic based on this film.

  

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15. "I really disliked this movie"
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I just could not relate to the character at all. I thought it was boring too. I was excited cuz I like Saoirse and Laurie.

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16. "I liked this a lot"
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A lot of uncomfortably real high school stuff going on here. I thought the contrast between how Ladybird was around her best friend(s), how she was with her boyfriend(s) and how she was with her parents was SPOT ON. Fun and chatty with her friend, shy and very "I need him to like me" around boys, and very confrontational with her family. I know coming of age movies are pretty well trodden terrain in movies, but I can't think of a movie that portrayed all that so well. Maybe Rushmore comes close?

Plus, props to the Chicago Steppenwolf Theater alums for holding down the supporting roles. Laurie Metcalf and Tracey Letts did their thing. I might have been most surprised by Tracey Letts. His performs is really restrained here, even though in every play I've seen him in his performance is cranked up x1000.

  

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19. "Letts quietly stole every scene he was in "
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The way he portrays the subtleness of depression.



Blew me away. I hope this film wins best picture

  

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22. "Funny you menioned rushmore"
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as i noticed a small rushmore poster on Lady Bird's bedroom wall. Nice small touch in a film full of them

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17. "I liked this movie A LOT"
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I laughed and laughed and almost cried. The overall film just felt very authentic. Laurie Metcalf did the damn thing. That mother/daughter relationship was such a delicate balance. Really well done. I love a good film on parenting that's raw. It's why I loved Boyhood so much.

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21. "Everyone was incredible, Tracy Lets and Beanie Feldstein particularly so"
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i have more thoughts on the things i didn't care for, but overall fantastic to preach to the choir

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23. "Also the theatre teacher had me shedding a tear"
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what started out as comic relief turned out to be one of the most affecting characters in the film. Beautiful.

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24. "it was cool."
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