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denny
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"Sid and Nancy, Cox, 1986"
Tue Aug-08-17 03:13 AM by denny

          

I dismissed this film right out the gate when I first saw it. There are two fatal flaws. Johnny Rotten is horribly miscasted and the sound production for the live performances is so terrible it burns. If you watch this movie as a Sex Pistols fan...you will hate it. It's a very unhip take on the punk rock scene and can't be taken seriously as an archivist's source on that culture.

But I revisited it and I've done a complete 180 on this flick....It's an absolute masterpiece. The shots are long and very few edits. The pivotal scenes contain 2 to 4 shots maximum and the editing is minimalist. It's not about punk rock. It's about co-dependency and tainted love. I'm not sure where else we can find a more poetic and beautiful depiction of that in modern films. It's also hilarious and contains alot of camp. Inversely....it gets heroin and opiate use right. Hard to put in words because it's art....but this movie conveys opiate addiction very accurately...small details like the terminology in the dialogue.....the character's physical symptoms.....the underlying psychology of withdrawal.....it all rings very very true. A rare feat.

The two lead performances can't be understated. This is one of the greatest accomplishments of Gary Oldman. Dude's resume has to be the most diverse and eccentric list of film roles. Even when I dismissed the movie on first viewing I acknowledged how incredible his performance is here. I hated Chloe Webb as Nancy but in retrospect....I hated her because she was SO GOOD in that role. The chemistry between the two of them is something we don't see as often anymore. Partly because of the editing.

I really miss movies like this. For each scene....find 2 to 5 SPECTACULAR shots and commit to them. Then edit them sparingly. Let the actors act. Here's a clip that eventually shows one of the best phonebooth scenes ('the birds' is probably best ever). I included a short tracking shot the leads to it with one of the original score pieces. A San Fran score team called 'Prey for Rain' provided 5 pieces....like haunted Kraftwerk music with alt-guitar. There's around 4 or 5 scenes that are just stunning to look at while a 'Prey for Rain' track accompanies:

https://youtu.be/uBDIiJ64REE?t=1684

I had thought it was mostly trashed by critics but apparently not. Never really hear about this movie unless someone's bashing it because it's disappointing to punk rock fans.

The garbage falling shot with score:

https://youtu.be/uBDIiJ64REE?t=4900


The burning room with score:

https://youtu.be/uBDIiJ64REE?t=5205

Absolutely gorgeous.

  

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It's one of the best movies of the 80's
Aug 08th 2017
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Man...
Aug 09th 2017
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I haven't seen this one in decades.
Aug 18th 2017
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c71
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Tue Aug-08-17 11:21 AM

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1. "It's one of the best movies of the 80's"
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really good movie

  

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denny
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Wed Aug-09-17 09:20 PM by denny

          

NEver Mind The Bullocks was the first cassette tape I bought as a kid. I've been revisiting it. By the time you get 45 seconds into the second song you feel like you've been run over by a mack truck. It's just so relentless. People talk about GNR 'Appetite for Destruction' in the same way I feel about Bullocks. Perhaps it was my age....but even now looking back....they're alot closer to Little Richard and Chuck Berry than GNR could ever hope to be. One of the best rocknroll albums of all time. Years later...I guess I wanted this movie to be like a sex pistols document and it's horrible in that regard.

But with a different lens....it really is a great movie. I'd even say 'classic'. Gary Oldman is a force of nature. Dracula, Beethoven, Sid Vicious, Lee Harvey Oswald, Currupt cop in the Professional, mental patient given shock therapy in Chattahoochee, Commissioner Gordon, White wanna-be Rasta in True Romance, Albert Milo in Basquiat.....And it was his turn in Sid and Nancy that really propelled his whole career. He was an unknown at the time...first feature role. He's on that top level with Denzel and DeNiro imo. Lydon HATED the movie of course...but even he had to give it up for Oldman. Absolutely NOONE will ever do a better depiction of Sid Vicious EVER.

I've seen just about every movie there is about opiate addiction. Sid and Nancy might be the best in that context. Top 3 at least.

  

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Ryan M
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Fri Aug-18-17 12:45 AM

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3. "I haven't seen this one in decades."
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Probably literally since I was a 14 year old Sex Pistols fan.

Anyway - you're making me want to revisit.

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