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bwood
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"Beauty and the Beast (Bill Condon, 2017)"


          

Um, this is supposed to have new songs by Alan Menken.

Here's the teaser: https://youtu.be/c38r-SAnTWM

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Subject Author Message Date ID
New trailer
Nov 14th 2016
1
Looks good to me.
Nov 14th 2016
2
Wow looks like they really brought the cartoon to life
Nov 14th 2016
4
this looks -exactly- the same as the original n/m
Nov 14th 2016
3
Good. I have no interest in any detours.
Nov 14th 2016
5
The real 'original' is the sexually charged, dream-like 1946 version...
Mar 03rd 2017
7
*Kanye shrug* It was okay.
Mar 02nd 2017
6
My wife and her friends are nerding out over this...
Mar 03rd 2017
8
I love these Disney live-action remakes
Mar 03rd 2017
12
The new songs just seem like a bad idea to me
Mar 03rd 2017
9
nothing about this has me excited and I LOVE the animated movie
Mar 03rd 2017
10
My full review
Mar 03rd 2017
11
      pretty much.
Mar 25th 2017
13
Condon directs the HELL out of the musical numbers.
Mar 25th 2017
14

bwood
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1. "New trailer"
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https://youtu.be/OvW_L8sTu5E

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2. "Looks good to me."
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One of my favorite Disney animated films.

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Heinz
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4. "Wow looks like they really brought the cartoon to life"
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looks dope

  

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IslaSoul
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3. "this looks -exactly- the same as the original n/m"
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Cold Truth
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5. "Good. I have no interest in any detours. "
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Just stick to the script.

Not feeling the report of new songs either.

  

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7. "The real 'original' is the sexually charged, dream-like 1946 version..."
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It has a Criterion blu-ray, I recommend it if you haven't seen it...
https://www.criterion.com/films/177-beauty-and-the-beast

But yeah, it does look exactly like the 90's Disney version though...

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bwood
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6. "*Kanye shrug* It was okay."
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Thu Mar-02-17 08:54 PM by bwood

          

This is a one and done for me to be honest. It's not a bad movie, it's just super mediocre. The new songs are whatever, but Luke Evans and Josh Had steal the movie and run away with. They might be the only characters I loved from it more than the animated cartoon.

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8. "My wife and her friends are nerding out over this..."
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They only ever do this for the Disney remakes/spin-offs, etc. and Harry Potter stuff, like we do for superhero, horror, action, genre stuff in general.

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bwood
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12. "I love these Disney live-action remakes"
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Cinderella, Pete's Dragon and especially The Jungle Book are all excellent films that stand on their own. Shit even the '96 101 Dalmatians works.

This and Maleficent are sorely lacking.

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Cold Truth
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9. "The new songs just seem like a bad idea to me"
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Fri Mar-03-17 12:32 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

On one hand I understand trying a new presentation, but if the story itself is going to be more or less the same I think this is one where I think the songs should be the same too.

ditto Lion King. I'd say Aladdin too but I'm not trying to see or hear that joint without Robin Williams so I don't mind them meandering on that one.

After that? I'm not sure I'd bother with Little Mermaid if it doesn't have Part Of Your World.

  

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10. "nothing about this has me excited and I LOVE the animated movie"
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Jungle Book was good. Shit even Pete's Dragon was pretty good and that is like a D list Disney movie. But this one man just everything about it has been underwhelming. Ill just torrent this one. Not giving them my money.

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11. "My full review"
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The 1991 animated Beauty and the Beast is the first animated film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards. It really is that good as, besides The Little Mermaid two years before it, Disney was in a rut. This was the film that renewed Disney’s popularity, not to mention that it seemed to spark a new creative streak for the rest of the 1990s decade. So, this live action remake which follows in the successful in all accounts steps of Cinderella, Pete’s Dragon and the best and most successful so far The Jungle Book. I found this to be a lesser film than the ‘91 animated film.

Since everyone knows the story of Beauty and the Beast, let’s get straight to the review and skip the plot summary. From the opening of the film, I was really scared that this wasn’t going to work. The original animated film had such an elegant opening with stained glass paintings and the narration, that this opening felt like an afterthought. What’s cool is they do show that Prince Adam threw extravagant balls with period correct makeup and wigs from the eighteenth century. However, it did not have the impact that I feel it needed to have.

With that said, the film does improve to certain degrees. Some songs work more than others. “Gaston” is heads and shoulders above the animated version. “Belle” is almost beat for beat lifted from the animated film. The new songs are forgettable. Instead of using “Human Again” and trying to make that a potential show-stopping number they do “Days in the Sun” with the castle’s enchanted staff. The number doesn’t pop and nothing about is particularly memorable. Same goes for “Evermore”, a song that is supposed to have much emotional weight, which I feel the simplicity of the roar. I’ll say, though, “Something More” is much more romantic in this film, as is the courtship of the two leads. Thanks to the courtship playing out more fluidly, the title track with the iconic ballroom dance feels more romantic as well. And I will say that the iconic dance has a shot that is breathtaking and could become just as iconic as the dolly shot from the animated film.

Emma Watson is a good Belle. She is smoldering and portrays Belle as headstrong with a strong feminist bent that works well. I definitely understand updating the character for 2017 and making her in control of her own agency. As she is the co-lead of this film, they needed to update without straying too far from what works and what made the original a modern classic. Dan Stevens does an admirable job as The Beast/Prince Adam. The Beast was done as motion capture with the CG looking okay, but the performance hinges on the character’s eyes being expressive so it works. There’s an all-star cast with The Beast’s enchanted staff including Ewan McGregor as Lumière, Ian McKellen as Cogsworth, Emma Thompson as Mrs. Potts, Audra McDonald as Madame de Garderobe, Nathan Mack as Chip, Gugu Mbatha-Raw as Plumette and Stanley Tucci as a new character named Cadenza. These supporting characters are all amazing as this is where the CG looks most impressive. Kevin Kline brings a lot of humanity to Maurice, Belle’s father, as they added some really moving backstory with him that works in spades.

However, Luke Evans as Gaston and Josh Gad as Le Fou steal this film and run away with it. Their comedic timing and chemistry shine head and shoulders above anything else going on in this film. These two work so well together, that I implore Disney to start developing a prequel with Gaston and Le Fou. Oh, and for all of you upset that Le Fou is gay and this shouldn’t be in a family film, please grow up. I saw a tweet that said why does the first gay character in a major Disney film have to be fat and ugly and this is why the world is a terrible place.

The set and production design are like no other in this film. The Beast’s castle is one I would love to explore, as everything is finely detailed down to every step on every staircase. I cannot see this not winning Oscars for production and set design. It’s that beautifully detailed. The subtle designs on the enchanted characters are so intricately detailed it’s crazy. However, as I mentioned before, the CG on The Beast is okay at best, and it’s not that good on the pack of wolves. I do not understand how this happens as The Jungle Book last year had the most realistic animals (and environments) ever. The wolves here also must be the smartest wolves in cinema history as they just don’t work in this live action adaptation.

I am ambivalent towards Beauty and the Beast. I feel as if the '91 cartoon works much better than this. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate it and it is considerably better than what Disney did with Maleficent. But, most people in the audience seemed to enjoy it, not to mention that the changes and additions work well but not enough to elevate this live action adaptation like the others did. Also, while everyone’s singing is solid when Audra McDonald lets her pipes loose it’s clear she’s the standout and I wish she could be utilized more.

I’ve never seen the Broadway musical (Disney I would like to see The Lion King on Broadway before I turn 60, so please lower prices), so I can’t make comparisons to that. I spoke with some fellow critics who felt just as ambivalent towards it as I did, and suggested that maybe this shouldn’t have been a musical. And I just don’t know how Disney could do that without making everyone on Earth mad. Look, most general audiences will like it well enough, and make no mistake that this will gross a billion dollars. As it stands, Bill Condon’s Beauty and the Beast is a one and done for me.

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13. "pretty much."
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Evans and Gad are a nice diversion. production value is high but just goes to prove how the expressiveness of animation remains the perfect medium for these kinds of stories. new songs were meh, and not worth the extra 20 minutes of running time.

basically the whole time I wished I was watching the 1991 version.

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14. "Condon directs the HELL out of the musical numbers."
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Everything else is weird and/or awkward and/or inferior and/or earnest and/or occasionally well-done, but it's messy and all over the place...

... but I'll be goddamned if Condon doesn't stage a musical number better than basically any film director working today. He just fucking gets it. He nails those big moments, and I'm able to forgive a lot if you can really make my jaw drop during a musical number.

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