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"Game of Thrones Season 6 Speculation and Spoilers Post"


  

          

If you are one who cries about spoilers, EXIT THIS POST NOW!


http://io9.com/everything-we-know-about-game-of-thrones-season-6-so-fa-1739264164

  

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"cries"?
Oct 29th 2015
1
Yes, cries even when spoilers are in the post title.
Oct 29th 2015
2
      I'm not talkin about all that...
Oct 29th 2015
3
           RE: I'm not talkin about all that...
Oct 30th 2015
8
awesome! I'm glad they are bring back the river lands storyline
Oct 29th 2015
4
Last season REALLY needed the Manderleys
Oct 29th 2015
6
I love the fat manderly dude
Oct 30th 2015
9
      they are all fat, cept for the women
Oct 31st 2015
10
Well, I'll be happy to talk about the books
Oct 29th 2015
5
I was really disappointed with what they did with Dorne as well
Oct 30th 2015
7
RE: I just finished all 5 seasons last night.. Questions
Nov 26th 2015
11
Ok, I'll bite
Nov 27th 2015
13
      RE: LOFL, yeah, I meant the Starks, shit, wow
Nov 28th 2015
14
Season 6 Teaser Poster
Nov 26th 2015
12
First Teaser Trailer
Dec 03rd 2015
15
I dunno what to do. I'm not okay with the show being ahead of the books
Dec 03rd 2015
16
Oh now how will you go on with life?
Dec 03rd 2015
17
RE: Oh now how will you go on with life?
Dec 04th 2015
18
What's funny...
Dec 04th 2015
19
RE: I dunno what to do. I'm not okay with the show being ahead of the bo...
Dec 04th 2015
20
I'm guessing Martin gets out WoW just ahead of the TV season
Dec 04th 2015
21
GRRM: 'The Winds of Winter' will not be ready in time for Season 6. (swi...
Jan 02nd 2016
22
In short: I'm living it up, being lazy, and a little scared
Jan 02nd 2016
23
he'll wait for the show to finish
Jan 02nd 2016
25
Would be the cherry on top...
Jan 03rd 2016
27
He's scared that the books are going to end up like "Lost"
Jan 04th 2016
29
Appreciate the update, as gloomy as it is.
Jan 02nd 2016
24
Yeah I'd rather him not rush and make it as good as it can be
Jan 03rd 2016
26
A few people said they wouldn't watch the show until they read the book
Jan 04th 2016
28
i, for one, stand firm and resolute
Jan 04th 2016
30
I'm in the same boat as you...
Jan 04th 2016
31
That's unfair. many fiction writers write insanely slow bruh
Jan 04th 2016
32
      Very few authors writing "series" are this slow, though
Jan 04th 2016
34
           I agree with everything you said
Jan 04th 2016
35
           It's cuz he originally conceived the series as a trilogy...
Jan 04th 2016
36
           I'd guess the issues probably started wtih Martin trying to...
Jan 05th 2016
39
           fine
Jan 05th 2016
37
also I'm sure GRRM knows how it's gunna end
Jan 04th 2016
33
      Martin told Weiss and Benioff the ending a while ago.
Jan 05th 2016
38
Season 6 Premiere Date: April 24, 2016.
Jan 07th 2016
40
Battle Banner Tease
Jan 22nd 2016
41
Game of Thrones Season 6: Hall of Faces Tease
Feb 14th 2016
42
No advance copies for the press (swipe)
Mar 02nd 2016
43
Excellent move
Mar 02nd 2016
44
      I can't fucking wait
Mar 02nd 2016
45
           I'm really interested to see where it goes without a HINT
Mar 03rd 2016
46
                yeah it will be fun
Mar 09th 2016
50
                I could be wrong...
Mar 09th 2016
51
                     I've heard that one is a possibility
Mar 09th 2016
52
                          I need more Blackfish in my life
Mar 09th 2016
53
                               Blackfish is one of my favorite characters in the series
Mar 09th 2016
54
                                    Oh right, the Riverlands arc.
Mar 09th 2016
55
                                         RE: Oh right, the Riverlands arc.
Mar 10th 2016
56
Game of Thrones Season 6: Trailer (RED BAND) (HBO)
Mar 08th 2016
47
it's fuckin lit
Mar 08th 2016
48
That's how you do a fucking trailer.
Mar 08th 2016
49
I choose violence.
Mar 11th 2016
57
Game of Thrones Season 6: Trailer #2
Apr 11th 2016
58
Davos = top 3 dead or alive
Apr 11th 2016
59

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1. ""cries"? "
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Yeah, you're the type of person I don't like watching shit with

  

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2. "Yes, cries even when spoilers are in the post title."
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>Yeah, you're the type of person I don't like watching shit
>with

^^^That's cool because we would never watch anything together. And just to let you know I don't talk when I watch anything (movie or tv show). I want absolute silence so I can catch every detail. And when I talk to people about a movie or tv show I always ask them how they feel about spoilers and if they don't want anything spoiled then I refrain from divulging any info that I know.

I am one of the very few people that actively seeks out speculation and spoilers about movies and tv shows. I read through movie posts here in PTP before I ever see the movie. That never bothers me. I inderstand it bothers others.

Check my post history (especially the GOT threads), I never put up any info. without proper spoiler warning or I don't post at all (because I know people don't like things being spoiled for them). If this post with SPOILER in the title offended you and your tastes then why enter it in the first place? This post is for those that want to talk about the speculation and possible spoilers.

  

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3. "I'm not talkin about all that... "
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just your use of "cries". It's cool that you respect spoilers, it's obvious I do too. But calling spoiler-police (like me) someone who "cries" is being condescending.... maybe that wasn't your intent though.

And I got no issues with posts that are properly labelled with spoilers from jump... look at the GoT book threads, I'm all about speculation. I just hate it when I call someone out on spoiling shit and they get defensive and say "nuh uh it's not a spoiler."

  

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8. "RE: I'm not talkin about all that... "
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>just your use of "cries". It's cool that you respect
>spoilers, it's obvious I do too. But calling spoiler-police
>(like me) someone who "cries" is being condescending.... maybe
>that wasn't your intent though.
>
>And I got no issues with posts that are properly labelled with
>spoilers from jump... look at the GoT book threads, I'm all
>about speculation. I just hate it when I call someone out on
>spoiling shit and they get defensive and say "nuh uh it's not
>a spoiler."

I'm sorry. My words offended you and that was truly not my intention. I apologize. I was hoping to dead any complaint straight off the bat about spoilers.

  

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4. "awesome! I'm glad they are bring back the river lands storyline"
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I love the tullys and I'm one of the (few?) who loved AFFC and everything that happened in it. Grejoys too. I also will cream my pants for tower of joy.

However, I will not watch season 6 if winds of winter is not out before hand

The death of shereen was too much of a spoiler of the books along with whatever may or may not have happened with the battle for winterfell between stannis's host and the boltons

I also I want the manderlys!

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6. "Last season REALLY needed the Manderleys"
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Without them or Abel and the Spearwives, Winterfell was absolute drudgery.

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9. "I love the fat manderly dude"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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10. "they are all fat, cept for the women "
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5. "Well, I'll be happy to talk about the books"
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I will say that I'm happy with them going back to Riverlands; they would have been much better served sending Jamie and Bronn to the Riverlands last season instead of the absolute clusterfuck that was the Dorne storyline. That pretty much ruined Dorne for the forseeable.

Also glad to see them go back to the Iron Islands, though the dynamic does change if Theon is indeed there; right now it's speculation. I'd rather they send him off with Davos to find Rickon.

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7. "I was really disappointed with what they did with Dorne as well"
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Sand Snakes were awful

Not knowing what's going to happen next should be fun (in regards to not having the book out yet)

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11. "RE: I just finished all 5 seasons last night.. Questions"
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took me a couple of months

I literally only like Ayra, Grey Worm and the litskint Mujeron, Tywin (the imp), and the bad ass Knight Women. also the three Arab-Moroccan looking sisters at the end of season 5 peaked my interest.

I'm not a stan like many, but I enjoyed the show especially the fight scenes, the tits and ass, and the connivingness, but I can't front, the plot lines were/are hella convoluted.

I know the main families, kind of: Lanisters, The Snows, Khalessi's Targaryans and Darthrakies, Ramsey and his pop - the Bolton's(?)

and then there is the Arab looking folk who just killed the daughter, and the ugly ass clan who helped murk the Momma Stark and bro and his fine ass wife (what happened to them). Stanis clan seems out the picture now, right? Is it confirmed he's dead? That cut away left me a lil' confused. Also sexy Red-head nutcase still alive.

It basically all comes down to the major families want the Lannister's crown, right? and the smaller families want the North, yeah?

as for the White Walkers, they're possibly the most awesome stylistically and in terms of the action sequences, but the writers gotta wrap that up soon, no?

beyond that, is the Sparrow plot line believable? for me, with all the wicked shit the Lannister's pulled in the previous 4 seasons, it wasn't. and now this lil' cult put Ceira's ass in a dungeon for an extended period of time and had her do the walk of shame? Really...

and Snow, he still alive or gunna be resurrected, but the whole Snow clan dumb as fuck man. The choices all of them have made, just piss me the hell off at every turn. and what happened to the paralyzed brother is he still with that old tree nigga?

help this be more clear PTP brethern

  

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13. "Ok, I'll bite"
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>
>I'm not a stan like many, but I enjoyed the show especially
>the fight scenes, the tits and ass, and the connivingness, but
>I can't front, the plot lines were/are hella convoluted.

What did you feel was convoluted? Certain plot lines were head scratching (particularly in the last season) but I feel some things that could be "convoluted" might just be some subtlety that was missed.


>I know the main families, kind of: Lanisters, The Snows,
>Khalessi's Targaryans and Darthrakies, Ramsey and his pop -
>the Bolton's(?)

The "Snows" are the Starks; Jon Snow is named that because he's a bastard born in the north. However, Ramsay is not related to Jon despite also being a (former) Snow.

Map of how bastards are named:
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/1/1f/Bastard_names_by_region.PNG/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20140328031832

Note that Gendry (the blacksmith kid, Arya's friend) was never accepted by Robert Baratheon, so he was never given his appropriate bastard surname of Waters.



>and then there is the Arab looking folk who just killed the
>daughter, and the ugly ass clan who helped murk the Momma
>Stark and bro and his fine ass wife (what happened to them).

What happened to the Starks? Or the Boltons, who betrayed the Starks?

>Stanis clan seems out the picture now, right? Is it confirmed
>he's dead? That cut away left me a lil' confused. Also sexy
>Red-head nutcase still alive.

Technically, the Baratheons aren't out of it, because Tommen is still a Baratheon and he sits on the throne. Stannis' army is probably routed and leaderless for the moment, but hard to say if they will no longer be a player. I think it would be safe to assume Stannis is dead though.


>It basically all comes down to the major families want the
>Lannister's crown, right? and the smaller families want the
>North, yeah?

It's more complex than that, but it's not far from the truth. The North tends to care about their own affairs, but they are technically loyal to the crown.


>as for the White Walkers, they're possibly the most awesome
>stylistically and in terms of the action sequences, but the
>writers gotta wrap that up soon, no?

It's expected the WW are going to be the long term end game.


>beyond that, is the Sparrow plot line believable? for me, with
>all the wicked shit the Lannister's pulled in the previous 4
>seasons, it wasn't. and now this lil' cult put Ceira's ass in
>a dungeon for an extended period of time and had her do the
>walk of shame? Really...

It's difficult to show in a condensed season, but the Sparrow storyline is believable, yes. The Lannisters and Cersei are conniving but the Lannisters have never had big numbers on their own (ie, they often rely on other families for military strength, like the Tyrells in the Battle of the Blackwater).

When Cersei allowed the Faith of the Seven to bear arms, this was a pivotal moment. It's only hinted at in the show, but basically because of tensions and war between the old Targaryen kings and the Faith of the Seven, rules were put in place to prevent the Faith from bearing arms while the Throne pledged to protect them. Cersei then broke this 250-year old treaty for short term gains in her rivalry with Margaery.

The Faith Militant was reborn and had the support of the oppressed and abused populace of King's Landing. Revolt was inevitable, and the Gold Cloaks have nowhere near the manpower needed to suppress the uprisings.


>and Snow, he still alive or gunna be resurrected, but the
>whole Snow clan dumb as fuck man. The choices all of them have
>made, just piss me the hell off at every turn. and what
>happened to the paralyzed brother is he still with that old
>tree nigga?

Starks, man. You said it yourself earlier, lol.

That dude is still with the old tree guy, yeah. They wrapped his arc early so they could save cash for this season.

  

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14. "RE: LOFL, yeah, I meant the Starks, shit, wow"
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I promise, i was paying attention, doh (c)-homer simpson
>>
>
>>I know the main families, kind of: Lanisters, The Snows,
>>Khalessi's Targaryans and Darthrakies, Ramsey and his pop -
>>the Bolton's(?)
>
>The "Snows" are the Starks; Jon Snow is named that because
>he's a bastard born in the north. However, Ramsay is not
>related to Jon despite also being a (former) Snow.
>
yes the Starks. Uhm, yeah I know Jon and Ramsey not related, but now that I think of it, weren't the Bolton's helping the Starks after Ned was executed? So they was plotting too, hmmm. So Sansa is the rightful queen, when it's all said and done no?
>
>>and then there is the Arab looking folk who just killed the
>>daughter, and the ugly ass clan who helped murk the Momma
>>Stark and bro and his fine ass wife (what happened to them).
>
>What happened to the Starks? Or the Boltons, who betrayed the
>Starks?
>
no, in season 3, when Momma Stark and Robb & his wife were murdered, who made that happen? I know the Lannisters ordered it, but what was the family that executed it. Dude with all the ugly ass daughters.

>>Stanis clan seems out the picture now, right? Is it
>confirmed
>>he's dead? That cut away left me a lil' confused. Also sexy
>>Red-head nutcase still alive.
>
>Technically, the Baratheons aren't out of it, because Tommen
>is still a Baratheon and he sits on the throne. Stannis' army
>is probably routed and leaderless for the moment, but hard to
>say if they will no longer be a player. I think it would be
>safe to assume Stannis is dead though.
>
oh, and what happened to Reek/Theon's family?

>
>>as for the White Walkers, they're possibly the most awesome
>>stylistically and in terms of the action sequences, but the
>>writers gotta wrap that up soon, no?
>
>It's expected the WW are going to be the long term end game.
>
ok

>>beyond that, is the Sparrow plot line believable? for me,
>with
>>all the wicked shit the Lannister's pulled in the previous 4
>>seasons, it wasn't. and now this lil' cult put Ceira's ass
>in
>>a dungeon for an extended period of time and had her do the
>>walk of shame? Really...
>
>It's difficult to show in a condensed season, but the Sparrow
>storyline is believable, yes. The Lannisters and Cersei are
>conniving but the Lannisters have never had big numbers on
>their own (ie, they often rely on other families for military
>strength, like the Tyrells in the Battle of the Blackwater).
>
>When Cersei allowed the Faith of the Seven to bear arms, this
>was a pivotal moment. It's only hinted at in the show, but
>basically because of tensions and war between the old
>Targaryen kings and the Faith of the Seven, rules were put in
>place to prevent the Faith from bearing arms while the Throne
>pledged to protect them. Cersei then broke this 250-year old
>treaty for short term gains in her rivalry with Margaery.
>
ahh, that def didn't come across on screen.

>The Faith Militant was reborn and had the support of the
>oppressed and abused populace of King's Landing. Revolt was
>inevitable, and the Gold Cloaks have nowhere near the manpower
>needed to suppress the uprisings.
>
ahh, ok. makes sense.
>
>>and Snow, he still alive or gunna be resurrected, but the
>>whole Snow clan dumb as fuck man. The choices all of them
>have
>>made, just piss me the hell off at every turn. and what
>>happened to the paralyzed brother is he still with that old
>>tree nigga?
>
>Starks, man. You said it yourself earlier, lol.
>
>That dude is still with the old tree guy, yeah. They wrapped
>his arc early so they could save cash for this season.
>
but what's his purpose. is he just like a watcher/prophet now?

and come on, what you think about Jon. He gunna become the red Lady's booty call or nah

  

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12. "Season 6 Teaser Poster"
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http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/JS-Tease.jpg

  

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15. "First Teaser Trailer"
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Game of Thrones Season 6: Tease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI8aPISq8I

  

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16. "I dunno what to do. I'm not okay with the show being ahead of the books"
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I don't know if I should watch the trailer. I don't know if I should watch the show if Winds doesn't come out before then.
Shit sucks.
Grrm needs to get that damn book out!

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17. "Oh now how will you go on with life?"
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.....aka suck it up. People who never read the book had to go this far with annoying people spoiling the show because they read the book. Oh well.

  

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18. "RE: Oh now how will you go on with life?"
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>.....aka suck it up. People who never read the book had to go
>this far with annoying people spoiling the show because they
>read the book. Oh well.


Those dummies should probably have stayed out of post and replies with the word spoiler in them. I call them dummies, cause that's something a dummy would do.

And most people who read the books only did so after watching a bit of the show and being so into it they wanted to keep going. I'll watch if it comes out before the book because that's how it started with GoT anyway. The way I see it, the books will be extra an extension to what I've already seen on screen.

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19. "What's funny..."
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is that the GOT book readers are actually the most behaved on this site when it comes to show spoilers. Mostly because they're hyper aware of the level of investment they've put in themselves on this story. It's one thing when you can breeze through months of book content when it comes to, say, The Walking Dead, it's another when you invest countless hours reading the level of depth that GRRM puts into his world. And then another thing entirely when new content is measured not in months, but in half-decades. When significant events occur, it's through meticulous and deliberate planning, not because Chapter #35 diverged from the show here but then Chapter #47 converged with the show here.

So yeah, Hitokiri is entirely justified in his reluctance to watch this upcoming season before the next book comes out. It's been almost four years since the last book came out... right before the second season aired. You need to realize that this weird book/show juxtaposition is unprecedented, exacerbated by the level of global acclaim it has received.

In other words, acting like a dick isn't a good look at all in this case.

  

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20. "RE: I dunno what to do. I'm not okay with the show being ahead of the bo..."
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Nothing happens in the teaser. All old footage.

Even if GRRM somehow magically releases Winds before the premiere, no way ADoS will beat season 7.

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21. "I'm guessing Martin gets out WoW just ahead of the TV season"
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If anything, he'll use to the show's release as additional hype for it.

Season #7 & #8 (if the make it eight seasons) are spoiling the ending though.

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22. "GRRM: 'The Winds of Winter' will not be ready in time for Season 6. (swi..."
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http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html

Last Year (Winds of Winter)

Jan. 2nd, 2016 at 12:24 AM


The last post from the Lost Post, and the one you've all been waiting for.

Back when this was one long long long post, before Live Journal sent it to the cornfield, I mentioned opening with Dickens' line, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times." So it was for me in 2015. I've spent much of the day recreating (in Cliff's Note summaries) my own personal "best of times" from the previous year, all the wonderful things that went down for me in 2015, the awards and the publications and the bestseller lists, the cons and the parties, the travel, all the exciting new projects underway at HBO and right here down the street in Santa Fe. But inevitably that brings me to my own personal "worst of times," and that is considerably less fun to blog about, so do forgive my reluctance to do so.

You wanted an update. Here's the update. You won't like it.

THE WINDS OF WINTER is not finished.

Believe me, it gave me no pleasure to type those words. You're disappointed, and you're not alone. My editors and publishers are disappointed, HBO is disappointed, my agents and foreign publishers and translators are disappointed... but no one could possibly be more disappointed than me. For months now I have wanted nothing so much as to be able to say, "I have completed and delivered THE WINDS OF WINTER" on or before the last day of 2015.

But the book's not done.

Nor is it likely to be finished tomorrow, or next week. Yes, there's a lot written. Hundreds of pages. Dozens of chapters. (Those 'no pages done' reports were insane, the usual garbage internet journalism that I have learned to despise). But there's also a lot still left to write. I am months away still... and that's if the writing goes well. (Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't.) Chapters still to write, of course... but also rewriting. I always do a lot of rewriting, sometimes just polishing, sometimes pretty major restructures.

I suppose I could just say, "Sorry, boys and girls, still writing," and leave it at that. "It will be done when it's done." Which is what I have been doing, more or less, since... well, forever. But with season 6 of GAME OF THRONES approaching, and so many requests for information boiling up, I am going to break my own rules and say a little more, since it would appear that hundreds of my readers, maybe thousands or tens of thousands, are very concerned about this question of 'spoilers" and the show catching up, revealing things not yet revealed in the books, etc.

My publishers and I have been cognizant of these concerns, of course. We discussed some of them last spring, as the fifth season of the HBO series was winding down, and came up with a plan. We all wanted book six of A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE to come out before season six of the HBO show aired. Assuming the show would return in early April, that meant THE WINDS OF WINTER had to be published before the end of March, at the latest. For that to happen, my publishers told me, they would need the completed manuscript before the end of October. That seemed very do-able to me... in May. So there was the first deadline: Halloween.

Unfortunately, the writing did not go as fast or as well as I would have liked. You can blame my travels or my blog posts or the distractions of other projects and the Cocteau and whatever, but maybe all that had an impact... you can blame my age, and maybe that had an impact too...but if truth be told, sometimes the writing goes well and sometimes it doesn't, and that was true for me even when I was in my 20s. And as spring turned to summer, I was having more bad days than good ones. Around about August, I had to face facts: I was not going to be done by Halloween. I cannot tell you how deeply that realization depressed me.

Early August saw me back east for my nephew's wedding and an appearance with the Staten Island Direwolves. I took advantage of the visit to have another sit down with my editors and publishers and told them that I didn't think I could deliver by Halloween. I thought they'd be sick about it... but I have to say, my editors and publishers are great, and they took it with surprising equanimity. (Maybe they knew it before I did). They already had contigencies in place. They had made plans to speed up production. If I could deliver WINDS OF WINTER by the end of the year, they told me, they could still get it our before the end of March.

I was immensely relieved. I had two whole extra months! I could make that, certainly. August was an insane month, too much travel, too many other obligations... but I'd have September, October, and now November and December as well. Once again I was confident I could do it.

Here it is, the first of January. The book is not done, not delivered. No words can change that. I tried, I promise you. I failed. I blew the Halloween deadline, and I've now blown the end of the year deadline. And that almost certainly means that no, THE WINDS OF WINTER will not be published before the sixth season of GAME OF THRONES premieres in April (mid April, we are now told, not early April, but those two weeks will not save me). Even as late as my birthday and our big Emmy win, I still thought I could do it... but the days and weeks flew by faster than the pile of pages grew, and (as I often do) I grew unhappy with some of the choices I'd made and began to revise... and suddenly it was October, and then November... and as the suspicion grew that I would not make it after all, a gloom set in, and I found myself struggling even more. The fewer the days, the greater the stress, and the slower the pace of my writing became.

Look, I have always had problems with deadlines. For whatever reason, I don't respond well to them. Back in November, when I returned to Northwestern to accept my Alumni Award, I told the Medill students that was why I started writing fiction instead of getting a job on a newspaper. I knew even then that daily deadlines would kill me. That was a joke, of course... but there was truth in it too. I wrote my first novel, DYING OF THE LIGHT, without a contract and without a deadline. No one even knew I was writing a novel until I sent the completed book to Kirby to sell. I wrote FEVRE DREAM the same way. I wrote THE ARMAGEDDON RAG the same way. No contracts, no deadlines, no one waiting. Write at my own pace and deliver when I'm done. That's really how I am most comfortable, even now.

But I won't make excuses. There are no excuses. No one else is to blame. Not my editors and publishers, not HBO, not David & Dan. It's on me. I tried, and I am still trying. I worked on the book a couple of days ago, revising a Theon chapter and adding some new material, and I will writing on it again tomorrow. But no, I can't tell you when it will be done, or when it will be published. Best guess, based on our previous conversations, is that Bantam (and presumably my British publisher as well) can have the hardcover out within three months of delivery, if their schedules permit. But when delivery will be, I can't say. I am not going to set another deadline for myself to trip over. The deadlines just stress me out.

I am going back to my stance from last March, before all this. It will be done when it's done. And it will be as good as I can possibly make it.

Having said all that, I know what the next question will be, because hundreds of you have already asked it of me. Will the show 'spoil' the novels?

Maybe. Yes and no. Look, I never thought the series could possibly catch up with the books, but it has. The show moved faster than I anticipated and I moved more slowly. There were other factors too, but that was the main one. Given where we are, inevitably, there will be certain plot twists and reveals in season six of GAME OF THRONES that have not yet happened in the books. For years my readers have been ahead of the viewers. This year, for some things, the reverse will be true. How you want to handle that... hey, that's up to you. Look, I read Andy Weir's novel THE MARTIAN before I saw the movie. But I saw the BBC production of JONATHAN STRANGE AND MR NORRELL before I finally got around to reading Susanna Clarke's novel. In both cases, I loved the book and I loved the adaptation. It does not need to be one or the other. You might prefer one over the other, but you can still enjoy the hell out of both.

Of course, there's an aspect to our situation that did not apply to either the Weir or Clarke cases. Those novels were finished before they were optioned, adapted, and filmed. The case of GAME OF THRONES and A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE is perhaps unique. I can't think of any other instance where the movie or TV show came out as the source material was still being written. So when you ask me, "will the show spoil the books," all I can do is say, "yes and no," and mumble once again about the butterfly effect. Those pretty little butterflies have grown into mighty dragons. Some of the 'spoilers' you may encounter in season six may not be spoilers at all... because the show and the books have diverged, and will continue to do so.

IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ALL FIVE SEASONS AND READ ALL FIVE BOOKS, STOP HERE!

Just consider. Mago, Irri, Rakharo, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Pyat Pree, Pyp, Grenn, Ser Barristan Selmy, Queen Selyse, Princess Shireen, Princess Myrcella, Mance Rayder, and King Stannis are all dead in the show, alive in the books. Some of them will die in the books as well, yes... but not all of them, and some may die at different times in different ways. Balon Greyjoy, on the flip side, is dead in the books, alive on the show. His brothers Euron Crow's Eye and Victarion have not yet been introduced (will they appear? I ain't saying). Meanwhile Jhiqui, Aggo, Jhogo, Jeyne Poole, Dalla (and her child) and her sister Val, Princess Arianne Martell, Prince Quentyn Martell, Willas Tyrell, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Lord Wyman Manderly, the Shavepate, the Green Grace, Brown Ben Plumm, the Tattered Prince, Pretty Meris, Bloodbeard, Griff and Young Griff, and many more have never been part of the show, yet remain characters in the books. Several are viewpoint characters, and even those who are not may have significant roles in the story to come in THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING.

GAME OF THRONES is the most popular television series in the world right now. The most pirated as well. It just won a record number of Emmy Awards, including the ultimate prize, for the best drama on television. It's an incredible production with an incredible cast and crew.

WINDS OF WINTER should be pretty good too, when it comes out. As good as I can make it, anyway.

Which is a long way of saying, "How may children did Scarlett O'Hara have?"

Enjoy the show. Enjoy the books.

Meanwhile, I'll keep writing. Chapter at a time. Page at a time. Word at a time. That's all I know how to do.

((And yes, this is my final Cliff's Note for the day. You can all go to bed now)).

  

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23. "In short: I'm living it up, being lazy, and a little scared"
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I understand all of that. Don't even really care for GRRM's writing, so this isn't really crushing news to me. But this is beyond stupid. Finish the job already.

  

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25. "he'll wait for the show to finish"
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and interest to wane a little, then release the last two or three books as the "real" version. sparking renewed interest and another big cash run.

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27. "Would be the cherry on top..."
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... of what has been, by far, the most incredible hustle in the history of fiction. I might not love dude's prose, but if I could choose to have any scribe's career it would probably be his.

  

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29. "He's scared that the books are going to end up like "Lost""
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A show he was obsessed with while it was on, which promised lots of deep mysteries and mythology, but is ultimately remembered for not delivering on it's promise. He even touched on it the 2011 New Yorker profile. He's scared he won't be able to stick the landing.

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24. "Appreciate the update, as gloomy as it is."
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Dude knows only one way to write, and it is what it is. Not surprising, but definitely disappointing to see speculation from over a year ago confirmed.

Fuck it, we're all in the same boat now, lol

  

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26. "Yeah I'd rather him not rush and make it as good as it can be"
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Sucks though. I think I may just watch the show and start re reading all of the books when I know the release date for winds of winter.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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28. "A few people said they wouldn't watch the show until they read the book"
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I wonder how they stand on this now?

I'm just going to watch. Figure they'll be a few differences to keep me interested in the book afterwards. Honestly I watched the first season and that got me on to read all of the books afterwards so I don't see an issue with it.

Dude takes mad long to write though. I want him to take his time to make sure it's a good read but my god, his breaks between books are insane. It's hilarious that everyone wants him to finish before he dies.

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30. "i, for one, stand firm and resolute"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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31. "I'm in the same boat as you..."
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I started watching the show, got like 3 or 4 episodes in, stopped and finished the entire first book, then finished the first season. Ending up reading all the books before season 2 then read Dance of Dragons about a year after it released (so before season 4?).

I plan on watching the show as scheduled as well. While I admire the restraint of book readers who want to stay pure until all the books come out, the problem with that is it's going to be EXTREMELY difficult to stay away from ALL spoilers until the seventh book comes out. With the cultural impact the show has, there's no way you can stay away from some sort of spoiler, even if you're diligent in staying off social media. If, say, Daenerys ends up with a heroes' death at the end of it all, then there's gonna be a shit ton of Daenerys shirts and merch at Hot Topic and Barnes and Amazon and whatever, spoiling the shit outta it.

I don't think it's worth attempting to stay away from the cultural zeitgeist for YEARS so you can find out where the show diverged from the books just to have some loud schmuck at a bar spoiling it a week after the finale airs.

  

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32. "That's unfair. many fiction writers write insanely slow bruh"
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prolificness is rare. pppl like Asimov, Delany, PDK, Stephen King are psychos. i have no idea how they do it.

and GRRM is pretty prolific

Junot Diaz has written THREE books in 20 years
Toni Morrison has written a whole of 11 on 45 yrs
Ralph Ellison only wrote two novels in his whole life

writings hard bruh. let the man live

  

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34. "Very few authors writing "series" are this slow, though"
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DISCLAIMER: At this point, ASOIAF is the most complex and detailed series of it's kind (I feel okay in saying it's surpassed LOTR and its related texts in these areas), so it's understandable that it will take a while.

However, he knew the clock to finish the books would start ticking as soon as that TV series got green-lit, and he's always maintained that he never wanted the series to overtake the book. He's had since at least 2009 (2010 if we're being generous) to prevent this from happening. And bear in mind that even before the TV series became a reality, fans were grumbling about the length of time between ASOS and AFFC and between AFFC and ADWD.

Since the TV series has been greenlit, Martin finished Dance of Dragons, helped developed the TV series, written episodes for the TV series, developed other TV series, written new "Dunk and Egg" stories, worked on the World of Ice and Fire companion guide, done book tours, worked conventions, etc.

Which is all his prerogative. He can spend his time however he wants, but you'll excuse me if I don't feel bad for him after he made this particular bed and now has to lay in it. If he didn't want the TV series to surpass the show, he's had years to prevent it from happening. Or, if nothing else, get the sixth book out in time. But he hasn't.

But he has made sure to keep Benioff and Weiss appraised of significant planned plot developments, so the TV series go continue unabated, because he's probably made and will continue to make more money from the TV series than he ever will from the books.

So yeah, I'm not going to sing the "Poor Georgie" song, or have much sympathy for the "George Martin isn't your bitch!" think-pieces. He knew exactly what he was getting into.

At this point, I think the course of action Will mentioned above is likely the best one: let the series finished, then have Martin put out the next two or three books on his own schedule.

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35. "I agree with everything you said"
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Now, allow me to rant for a minute, this is just my opinion.

Books 1-3 were his best to me. Check out this cart for the timeline

http://i.imgur.com/tiOfyuN.png?1

How is it that the best ones took such a smaller amount of time? 4 and 5 are mostly regarded as the least favorites. It almost feels like his creative juices were flowing a bit more. Maybe he's having a hard time figuring out just how he wants this story to go. I would like to think he already has it all planned out, but at this point going this long between books seems really strange. I know he's a busy man but got damn!

Not knocking the man for taking his time, but I also can't feel sorry for him either. Just seems like an awful long time to keep your readers waiting. I'm sure it's not easy at all to make an epic like this, but cmon!

About to start the start the Stormlight Archive series by Brandon Sanderson for my fantasy needs. I hear it's really good.

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36. "It's cuz he originally conceived the series as a trilogy..."
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then decided to expand it somewhere along the line. First to five books, then to seven (and some have even speculated it would go to eight).

  

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39. "I'd guess the issues probably started wtih Martin trying to..."
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...write the follow-up to Storm of Swords. It's almost universally (and correctly) considered as the best book of the series, and if you made a list of the the 10 best scenes/set-pieces of the series so far, I could see 8 to 9 being from ASOS.

So it took him five years to follow it up with AFFC, and he doesn't the dual punch of splitting the main narrative (as in, no Tyrion, Jon Snow, or Dany) and introducing a bunch of new POVs & storylines. Then he takes six more years to write ADWD, and he adds even more POVs & storylines. Now, I actually really like AFFC as book; I thoroughly enjoy the chapters about the Greyjoys and the stuff in Dorne, and I thought the Cersei and Brienne POVs were worthy additions. But the Connington/Young Griff & Quentyn Martell stuff in ADWD just got to be too much. In trying to much the story even richer and more full, he's just over-complicated things and made things even more difficult to end. Which is where we stand now.

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37. "fine"
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i like the time line papa_smear posted

  

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33. "also I'm sure GRRM knows how it's gunna end"
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he'll inform HBO about it and they will got from there

and maybe the books end a bit different and his sales crank up when he does finish

  

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38. "Martin told Weiss and Benioff the ending a while ago."
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40. "Season 6 Premiere Date: April 24, 2016."
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http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-premiere-date-1201673677/

‘Game of Thrones’ Season 6 to Premiere April 24
JANUARY 7, 2016 | 03:31PM PT
Whitney Friedlander
TV News Editor

Season six of “Game of Thrones” will premiere on April 24, HBO announced Thursday at the Television Critics Association press tour in Pasadena.

While details are scarce about the plot for the upcoming episodes of the hugely popular fantasy series, a teaser released late last year suggests that it will address the season five cliffhanger that left fans speculating whether Kit Harington’s Jon Snow was alive after he became the victim of a Julius Caesar-like uprising.

The season also marks the return of Isaac Hempstead-Wright as Bran Stark, a character who has not been seen since season four. New cast members this season include Max von Sydow as the Three-Eyed Raven (a character first played by Struan Rodger) and “UnREAL” actor Freddie Stroma as Dickon Tarly, the brother of John Bradley’s Samwell.

Ian McShane will also join “Thrones” in an undisclosed role for one episode in season six, and has cryptically teased that “I am responsible for bringing somebody back that you think you’re never going to see again. I’ll leave it at that.”

All other seasons of “Game of Thrones” premiered somewhere between the end of March and the middle of April, and this time frame is a strategic move for HBO. Television episodes must air before the close of Emmy nomination voting on June 24 of this year in order to be eligible for this year’s Emmy Award consideration. Last year’s “Game of Thrones” finale aired on June 14 — the day before nomination voting began in 2015. The series went on to win the Emmy Award for best drama.

The “Game of Thrones” season five finale brought the show’s largest audience ever, averaging 8.11 million viewers. The series was also the most-pirated TV show of 2015.

HBO also announced that, per its custom, comedies “Silicon Valley” and “Veep” will start up again following the “Thrones” premiere.

“Lady Day at Emerson’s Bar & Grill,” Audra McDonald’s special based on her Broadway production about Billie Holiday, will air on March 12.

HBO Films’ “Confirmation” and “All the Way” will premiere in April and May, respectively.

  

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41. "Battle Banner Tease"
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Lannister Battle Banner Tease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6je-48zll4



Targaryen Battle Banner Tease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2jYWtZ-JOc



Stark Battle Banner Tease

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42. "Game of Thrones Season 6: Hall of Faces Tease"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmrA8nOZF2Q

  

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43. "No advance copies for the press (swipe)"
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http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/02/game-thrones-season-6-review-screeners

Game of Thrones lockdown: HBO won't send press any season 6 episodes

Media will not receive screeners of hit series for first time in secrecy move
BY JAMES HIBBERD • @JAMESHIBBERD

Posted March 2 2016 — 11:46 AM EST

Game of Thrones secrecy is going to a whole new level.

HBO has decided to not give the media any advance episodes of the Emmy-winning series for season 6. The upcoming season is on such a content lock-down that the press and Hollywood insiders will not receive any episodes in advance – either on DVD or via online screening – circumventing industry convention. “We’re not sending out press copies this year, anywhere in the world,” HBO programming president Michael Lombardo told EW. “There will be no copies for review.”

The move could be a first for a major series, though isn’t entirely surprising in the case of Thrones. This is the first season where the show has largely surpassed the narrative published in author George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire saga, so for the first time even hardcore fans of the books have no idea what’s coming next. Also, HBO sent the first four hours of season 5 to its usual media distribution list, and the content leaked onto BitTorrent before the show’s premiere – spoiling nearly half the season for some viewers as plot points gained coverage online. While HBO has since switched to a more secure online screening system for critics, the company has nonetheless opted against taking any chances with the intensely anticipated new season of its highest-rated series of all time. Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss advocated the no-screener strategy to protect season 6 content and, after some discussion, network executives agreed.

“It’s painful for Dan and David ,” Lombardo said. “When you have press copies, inevitably friends ask, ‘Can I see your copy?’ There are things that happen. We talked about the upsides and downsides. Some of the press are fans who might be disappointed, but they’ll understand.”

The move comes amid considerable suspense and speculation about the storyline of one character in particular – Jon Snow (Kit Harington), who was killed off in the season 5 finale.

While movie studios often refuse to let critics see films in advance if a title is expected to get poor reviews, it’s extremely rare on the television side to not provide review copies – particularly for a critically acclaimed series. The decision is all the more impactful since Game of Thrones shattered Emmy records, winning 12 awards including best drama, and is one of the world’s most popular shows (in the U.S. alone, Thrones season 5 averaged 20.2 million viewers per episode when all forms of viewing were counted). Yet if there’s any title that can potentially air without any premiere reviews and remain unscathed, it’s Thrones. And one wonders if the move will only serve to heighten fan and media anticipation for the new season, which already seems poised to break the show’s previous premiere ratings records.

  

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44. "Excellent move"
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45. "I can't fucking wait"
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All those hours spent reading wild ass speculation is finally going to pay off

  

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46. "I'm really interested to see where it goes without a HINT"
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of knowledge.

It'll be nice to just be able to experience without having some inkling.

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50. "yeah it will be fun"
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i can't wait.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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51. "I could be wrong..."
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but it looks like the Greyjoy arc from AFFC will be shown this season. Is this potentially the only storyline that's been published?

Unless they go into Aegon, but that seems like a storyline that is entirely unnecessary for the show.

  

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52. "I've heard that one is a possibility"
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I think they're also going to have Jamie and Bronn go to the Riverlands and deal with the Tully hold-outs, as per AFFC.

I think Aegon is gone though. They're probably too far along to introduce him. Especially considering Varys is now in Mereen.

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53. "I need more Blackfish in my life"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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54. "Blackfish is one of my favorite characters in the series"
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Can't wait to see more of him on the show and hopefully in the books. If Martin ever writes them.

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55. "Oh right, the Riverlands arc."
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Yeah those were compelling to see Jamie's mindset turn. If they go back to that though... why bother sending Jaime to Dorne?

Replacing him with a likable, expendable character for a single season (*cough Oakheart cough*) would have been fine to get all the players where they are now... basically another Oberyn Martell.

  

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56. "RE: Oh right, the Riverlands arc."
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>Yeah those were compelling to see Jamie's mindset turn.

Yeah, the Jamie chapters, especially the ones after he left King's Landing, were probably my favorite parts of AFFC. That book is pretty underrated in general.

>If they go back to that though... why bother sending Jaime to
>Dorne?

My thoughts exactly.

>Replacing him with a likable, expendable character for a
>single season (*cough Oakheart cough*) would have been fine to
>get all the players where they are now... basically another
>Oberyn Martell.

Well, yeah, clearly. The whole Dorne story-line was a colossal waste of time and about as poorly executed as possible. The only redeeming pieces to it were Bronn and ol' girl's titties. Other than that, it was a complete fucking misfire.

I guess Benioff and Weiss figured they wanted to at least acknowledge the Dorne storyline (with all the screentime spent with Oberyn the fourth season), but wanted to try to advance it using characters the audience was familiar with. And they needed a way to get Jamie out of King's Landing. They just screwed it all up.

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47. "Game of Thrones Season 6: Trailer (RED BAND) (HBO)"
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Game of Thrones Season 6: Trailer (RED BAND) (HBO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U

  

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48. "it's fuckin lit"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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49. "That's how you do a fucking trailer. "
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HBO is king at showing a bunch of shit in trailers without revealing anything

  

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57. "I choose violence."
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That might be the coldest line ever said on a TV show. The Davos shit was ill too, it's all sick, Battle of Winterfell??? I just came.

  

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58. "Game of Thrones Season 6: Trailer #2"
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Game of Thrones Season 6: Trailer #2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI0ib1NErqg

  

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59. "Davos = top 3 dead or alive"
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