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Can't imagine the NFL will like this!

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Why would any else release a movie on Christmas this year?
Aug 31st 2015
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People who get shut out of Star Wars will still wanna see something.
Aug 31st 2015
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      I imagine Star Wars will get to two-thirds of the screens at every...
Aug 31st 2015
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           It won't be close to that number.
Aug 31st 2015
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                Dude, two-thirds was an obvious exaggeration.
Aug 31st 2015
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                     Yea, Disney said anywhere from 5,000 to 5,500 screens.
Sep 01st 2015
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                     I don't think an AMC 24 will have Star Wars on 12 screens.
Sep 02nd 2015
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Sony Altered ‘Concussion’ Film to Deter N.F.L. Protests, Emails Show
Sep 01st 2015
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A very good TV movie/biopic. The NFL is gonna hate this.
Nov 12th 2015
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Duerson got it the worst.
Dec 22nd 2015
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      family said Duerson never met the people in the movie
Dec 23rd 2015
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RE: Concussion (Landesman, 2015)
Dec 22nd 2015
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i cant get past the will smith accent.
Dec 22nd 2015
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TELL DE TRUTH!!
Dec 23rd 2015
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RE: i cant get past the will smith accent.
Dec 24th 2015
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It works in the movie.
Dec 27th 2015
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Serviceable. Good star performance by Smith.
Dec 27th 2015
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How were they able to use real NFL teams/names?
Dec 28th 2015
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Good performances; a little bland
Dec 28th 2015
19
Whoever said they were light on the NFL was right.
Dec 28th 2015
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1. "Why would any else release a movie on Christmas this year?"
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Do they want to lose money?

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2. "People who get shut out of Star Wars will still wanna see something."
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3. "I imagine Star Wars will get to two-thirds of the screens at every..."
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...multiplex in the U.S. tho.

As this film, it looks interesting.

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4. "It won't be close to that number. "
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There are nearly 40,000 screens in America at last count. The widest release ever was Eclipse, with 4,468. I wouldn't be surprised if SW:TFA breaks that record, but at most it'll hit 5,000. There'll be 35,000 left to fill.

Star Wars comes out the 18th. So does an Amy Poehler/Tina Fey comedy. On the 23rd, you get the new Alvin and the Chipmunks for the kids. On the 25th, you get the new Tarantino, the new David O. Russell/J-Law, the new Inarritu/DiCaprio, a new Will Ferrell/Mark Wahlberg movie, the Oliver Stone/Edward Snowden movie, the Point Break remake... and Concussion.

That slate should fill all 40,000 nicely.

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5. "Dude, two-thirds was an obvious exaggeration."
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But it's going to be on LOTS of screens come Christmas Day. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if some Cineplexes had it on half their screens. Straight Out of Compton was getting half the screens in the 12 screen-theaters during it's first two weekends. It's not a stretch to think Star Wars will go that type of dominance, even with the Chipmunks sequel and Point Break out there.

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6. "Yea, Disney said anywhere from 5,000 to 5,500 screens."
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They said it's gonna be the highest rollout to theaters yet. Apparently based on how advanced sales go, they might rollout to 6,000.

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8. "I don't think an AMC 24 will have Star Wars on 12 screens. "
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It will be the widest release ever, which means it might go to 8 screens in some of those cineplexes.

I'd imagine it'd only go to half the screens if it's a smaller theater, like something with 6 or 8 screens.

Of course, I don't care nearly enough to make this any sort of agenda, in which someone can post a picture of it on 9 or 10 screens somewhere and go "See?!" I'm just noting that in the other biggest releases ever in history, it's usually in at most a quarter or a little more of the multiplex screens.

8 screens in one theater means a new screening every 15 minutes, from opening to closing. That'd be insane. And that's more or less the most I'd expect from a logistical perspective.

Edit: They'll probably shift some of the lesser releases to Star Wars screens at night opening weekend, but I'm not sure if that counts toward screen total in the rollout numbers. Mucks this whole thing up from a statistical analysis perspective, really.

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7. "Sony Altered ‘Concussion’ Film to Deter N.F.L. Protests, Emails Show"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/02/sports/football/makers-of-sonys-concussion-film-tried-to-avoid-angering-nfl-emails-show.html?_r=0

Sony Altered ‘Concussion’ Film to Deter N.F.L. Protests, Emails Show
By KEN BELSON
SEPT. 1, 2015

When Sony Pictures Entertainment decided to make a movie focusing on the death and dementia professional football players have endured from repeated hits to the head — and the N.F.L.’s efforts toward a cover-up — it signed Will Smith to star as one of the first scientists to disclose the problem. It named the film bluntly, “Concussion.”

In the end even Sony, which unlike most other major studios in Hollywood has no significant business ties to the N.F.L., found itself softening some points it might have made against the multibillion-dollar sports enterprise that controls the nation’s most-watched game.

In dozens of studio emails unearthed by hackers, Sony executives; the director, Peter Landesman; and representatives of Mr. Smith discussed how to avoid antagonizing the N.F.L. by altering the script and marketing the film more as a whistle-blower story, rather than a condemnation of football or the league.

“Will is not anti football (nor is the movie) and isn’t planning to be a spokesman for what football should be or shouldn’t be but rather is an actor taking on an exciting challenge,” Dwight Caines, the president of domestic marketing at Sony Pictures, wrote in an email on Aug. 6, 2014, to three top studio executives about how to position the movie. “We’ll develop messaging with the help of N.F.L. consultant to ensure that we are telling a dramatic story and not kicking the hornet’s nest.”

Another email on Aug. 1, 2014, said some “unflattering moments for the N.F.L.” were deleted or changed, while in another note on July 30, 2014, a top Sony lawyer is said to have taken “most of the bite” out of the film “for legal reasons with the N.F.L. and that it was not a balance issue.” Other emails in September 2014 discuss an aborted effort to reach out to the N.F.L.

The movie is due out in December, but the trailer was released Monday. It showed Smith as Bennet Omalu, whose work diagnosing a disease in American football players known as C.T.E. — a degenerative brain disease linked to repeated blows to the head — led to one of the N.F.L.’s biggest crises: a possibility that the game itself could be lethal.

Suicides by former star players, including Dave Duerson and Junior Seau, have heightened the scrutiny on the N.F.L., which has agreed to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to settle a lawsuit brought by about 5,000 retired players, who accused the league of deliberately hiding the dangers of concussions.

The trailer showed several scenes depicting Dr. Omalu with jaw-dropping surprise in his lab and angrily demanding “the truth” from people who appear to be from the N.F.L. Many other scientists have built on Dr. Omalu’s work, which began in 2002, and the N.F.L. has since donated tens of millions of dollars to study the effects of concussions and develop ways of treating them.

The N.F.L. has declined to comment on the trailer or the movie, and several Sony executives, through a spokeswoman, declined to speak about the movie or its production and marketing strategy.

Mr. Landesman, who also wrote the movie, said in an interview that the email conversations do not show Sony bowing to the N.F.L., but rather trying to portray the characters and story as accurately as possible to reduce the chance that the league could attack the filmmakers for taking too much creative license.

He added that like many large companies, movie studios that take on controversial topics try to anticipate how their films might be criticized and prepare defenses. He confirmed that Sony lawyers deleted some material from the film, but he declined to elaborate on the cuts beyond saying that they did so to make the story “better and richer and fairer.”

Those changes, he said, did not to alter the thrust of the story, which focuses on Dr. Omalu, a forensic pathologist who identified C.T.E., or chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

“We’re just being smart because any large corporation will design a response to something it considers to be a threat to its existence,” Mr. Landesman said of Sony’s efforts. “We don’t want to give the N.F.L. a toehold to say, ‘They are making it up,’ and damage the credibility of the movie.”

Mr. Landesman continued: “There were things that might have been creatively fun to have actors say that might not have been accurate in the heads of the N.F.L. or doctors. We might have gotten away with it legally, but it might have damaged our integrity as filmmakers. We didn’t have a need to make up anything because it was powerful and revelatory on its own.”

He added, “There was never an instance where we compromised the storytelling to protect ourselves from the N.F.L.”

Still, the issue of how to portray the story of players living with the lethal hazards of the game has been fraught, even for a studio that has no substantial ties to the N.F.L. (Steve Tisch, a co-owner of the New York Giants, has a production company located at Sony Pictures, but he is not involved with the movie. Ridley Scott, a producer, and Mr. Landesman are represented by WME Entertainment, which also works with the N.F.L.)

The N.F.L. had previously pressured business partners to step back from issues that are potentially embarrassing to it.

In 2013, N.F.L. officials complained to ESPN executives about a documentary, “League of Denial,” that the network had produced with “Frontline,” detailing the league’s response to the dangers of head trauma. ESPN stopped working on the project with “Frontline,” which later broadcast it.

In 2004, the N.F.L. complained to the chief executive of the Walt Disney Company, the parent company of ESPN, about a hard-hitting television series on the sports network that delivered an unsavory depiction of professional football players. The show ended after one season.

In this case, the dozens of emails, some of which were first reported on Reddit, suggested that Sony saw a dramatic story behind Dr. Omalu, a Nigerian immigrant who became an unexpected whistle-blower when he tried to warn the N.F.L. about the risk of playing football. Mr. Landesman, a former journalist who has written for The New York Times Magazine, was asked in November 2013 to join the project by Mr. Scott and his wife, Giannina, who are producing the film.

In one of the emails hacked from Sony by an unknown culprit and posted on WikiLeaks, Amy Pascal, then a co-chairwoman of Sony Pictures, called the movie “important and controversial” and said the studio was “committed passionate and enthusiastic” about making it.

But in the same email, from July 2014, she urged caution. “We need to know exactly what we can and can’t do and if this is a ‘true’ story or not,” she wrote, taking note of other movies about real events, including “Zero Dark Thirty,” “Moneyball,” “Captain Phillips” and “The Social Network,” all of which were later criticized to varying degrees for veering from accuracy. “I know these can be dicey waters but none more than this one,” she wrote.

In other emails, Sony executives discussed how to make the movie appear less threatening. In several emails they said that press materials should note that Mr. Smith likes football and one of his sons played the game. In another email, Hannah Minghella, a top executive, suggested that “rather than portray the N.F.L. as one corrupt organization can we identify the individuals within the N.F.L. who were guilty of denying/covering up the truth.”

Last September, Mr. Landesman wrote to Paul Hicks, the top spokesman at the N.F.L., to set up a meeting with the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell. Mr. Hicks asked Mr. Landesman for a copy of the script, but several Sony executives were aghast that Mr. Landesman had reached out to the N.F.L. independently and the idea of a meeting was scuttled.

Mr. Landesman said in an interview that in the end he never met with Mr. Hicks because it would have worked to the N.F.L.’s advantage. He never sent the N.F.L. the screenplay, but he said he thought the N.F.L. had seen it anyway because a version was in a hacked email, though a comprehensive review of the emails by The New York Times did not find it.

The only comment the N.F.L. has made is that it welcomes attention to health and safety issues.

“We are encouraged by the ongoing focus on the critical issue of player health and safety,” the league said in a statement when asked to comment on “Concussion.” “We have no higher priority. We all know more about this issue than we did 10 or 20 years ago. As we continue to learn more, we apply those learnings to make our game and players safer.”

  

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9. "A very good TV movie/biopic. The NFL is gonna hate this."
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They come off as real villains here.

But man does Albert Brooks kill in this shit cotdamn. And Will does a great job as well.

But, this lacked the umph that made a The Insider, a similar movie in regards to whitlseblowing, so gripping and a must see.

But yea, this shit is solid. Worth a low priced matinee.

EDIT: Also shout to Will Smith for hanging out after the Q&A to bullshit with everyone. Really cool dude.

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11. "Duerson got it the worst."
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NFL does look bad though but probably could have looked worse if the focus was more on the cover up. But man, Dave Duerson looks like a complete asshole in this.

Will Smith did a very good job but there's wasn't too much there dramatically than what you'd expect. And the love story was pretty weak.

It was solid if unspectacular.

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13. "family said Duerson never met the people in the movie"
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...nor did they contact the family for input. In short...Duerson was a plot device and they not happy AT ALL.

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10. "RE: Concussion (Landesman, 2015)"
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This is a great cast and Will Smith does an excellent job with this role.

The movie is well done but I feel it doesn't go far enough to drive the point home about the issue at hand.

The title "Concussion" is wrong and changes the point of what the premise of the multiple studies on this issue. I know calling the movie "Accumulated Sub-Concussive Head/Brain Trauma" is not sexy enough or marketable, but "Concussion" makes people believe it's only the devastating knockout hits that are the problem.

  

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12. "i cant get past the will smith accent."
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14. "TELL DE TRUTH!!"
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15. "RE: i cant get past the will smith accent."
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it became less a distraction as the movie progressed. a quarter in and it wasn't an issue.








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16. "It works in the movie."
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But in the trailer, it does seem like more of an affectation due to lack of context.

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17. "Serviceable. Good star performance by Smith."
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Feels fresher than its format largely due to the subject matter, which even today feels like a "holy shit, how did this movie get made" level gut punch for even casual football fans.

Smith gives a hell of a performance though-- more subtle than I expected, really. He's still one of the better "star" actors working today, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him get an Oscar nomination for this.

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18. "How were they able to use real NFL teams/names?"
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>Feels fresher than its format largely due to the subject
>matter, which even today feels like a "holy shit, how did this
>movie get made" level gut punch for even casual football fans.

I was thinking something like this that doesn't put the NFL in the best light would not receive permission to use their properties?


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19. "Good performances; a little bland"
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Wasn't really that exciting or interesting to watch, which was disappointing considering the subject matter. Not a bad movie by any means, but I can't see me wanting to watch this ever again.

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20. "Whoever said they were light on the NFL was right."
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And I knew it was gonna be soft on them when all of Will's interviews
started with him saying how much he loved football.
I wanted to see them tackle more of the NFL's cover up.
This was more focused on Dr. Omalu.

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