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"No disrespect, but is Will Smith done?"


          

http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2015/03/weekend-box-office-focus-opened-worse-than-after-earth-wb-blames-the-weather/

I mean, if Suicide Squad doesn't pop, that has to be the case right? And nobody never thought he'd do a superhero joint.

I hope he can get back to his dramatic lane or comedies like Hitch.

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He's done a superhero flick.
Mar 01st 2015
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/thread
Mar 02nd 2015
2
^^^^^^
Mar 02nd 2015
3
RE: ^^^^^^
Mar 03rd 2015
12
      Lol you acting like I said Will's gonna be the new roommate on New Girl
Mar 03rd 2015
15
Well i guess we can close this one up
Mar 02nd 2015
4
I think RBO had a viable question and as far as the superhero movie goes
Mar 02nd 2015
8
      Yeah, I just revisited just now for replies. And was confused.
Mar 02nd 2015
11
damn Longo came thru and crushed the building like a Ghost verse
Mar 02nd 2015
5
^*shruggles*^
Mar 02nd 2015
7
You KNOW what I mean.
Mar 02nd 2015
9
Nah, son. You don't get to Cuban B "After Earth".
Mar 05th 2015
18
      ... did you see it?
Mar 05th 2015
20
           Yes, I saw it. And dude, he has a &quot;story&quot; credit for it.
Mar 05th 2015
21
                No one is giving him a "pass."
Mar 05th 2015
22
What would "done" even mean for him?
Mar 02nd 2015
6
I was thinking some combination between the first two trending downward
Mar 02nd 2015
10
He'll be fine - this was his "reminder" film, and it's doing its job
Mar 03rd 2015
13
So you view this flick as a palette cleanser?
Mar 03rd 2015
14
      Yup
Mar 05th 2015
17
I wondered the same thing, done as making anything critically good
Mar 03rd 2015
16
Everyone Is Saying That Will Smith Is Over
Mar 05th 2015
19

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1. "He's done a superhero flick."
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Hancock. His second biggest opener.

He took four years without a film. MIB3 made over 600 mil worldwide. After Earth was a project for his kid. Focus was low budget by Will standards (only 50 mil to make).

He's got the Concussion movie for awards season this year, Suicide Squad and the Hurricane Katrina Edward Zwick flick after that, and Bad Boys 3 feels inevitable.

He'll be fine.

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2. "/thread"
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3. "^^^^^^"
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LOL at people saying Focus did bad when it's an R rated con film that came out in February.

And opened at #1 at that.

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12. "RE: ^^^^^^"
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>LOL at people saying Focus did bad when it's an R rated con
>film that came out in February.
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>And opened at #1 at that.


RIGHT?! Niggas LOVE to run up in here and assume black actors are done when they aren't....

this is as bad as the Mo'Nique vs. Lee Daniels mess going on right now....SMH

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15. "Lol you acting like I said Will's gonna be the new roommate on New Girl"
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4. "Well i guess we can close this one up"
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8. "I think RBO had a viable question and as far as the superhero movie goes"
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I was assuming that was a reference to a comic-book/previously-established superhero, not the newly created and never to be revisited dogshit that was Hancock (which made money for the same reason 50 Cent sold 8-10 million copies of The Massacre.....aka built on the back of star power, momentum, marketing push then later disregarded/forgotten).

Fact is Will Smith was the most bankable star in the business for a stretch but now poor choices, prolonged absences, creeping Scientology/Sexuality-rumor assisted shots at his likability and his own brand of movie-star megalomania have chipped away at that very possibly irrevocably.

But since those are almost virtually the same issues that previously did damage to Tom Cruise, a longtime Longo fave, I can see why he came thru with the quick cape.....I'm a little less sure why everyone acted like he came thru and obliterated all doubt or dialogue on the post's question though.

This flick (despite actually looking good while the public hasn't had a Will Smith fix in awhile and being an obvious play to make Will more 'human' again) not doing well only further illustrates that Will's status is less of a sure thing than it's been since his original ascent and he could be headed towards some level of Burt Reynolds, John Travolta, Eddie Murphy falloff.

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11. "Yeah, I just revisited just now for replies. And was confused."
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5. "damn Longo came thru and crushed the building like a Ghost verse"
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Circa 2000-2006

  

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7. "^*shruggles*^"
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9. "You KNOW what I mean."
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We can all say Billy Zane did a superhero flick too. But nobody's counting Phantom.

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18. "Nah, son. You don't get to Cuban B "After Earth"."
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"He only did it for his son" is some serious revisionist history.

He did it, he put his energy and his star power behind it, and it flopped. Big. Major bomb. Had him re-thinking his career and everything.

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20. "... did you see it?"
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He's in like half an hour of that flick at most. He's on the poster, but it's a film about Jaden Smith.

Furthermore, lol @ the assertion that it has him "re-thinking his career." If anything, After Earth was a major career departure. It's a supporting role in a gravely serious sci-fi film, when his big-budget flicks are usually charismatic jokey leading men or awards season dramatic fare.

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21. "Yes, I saw it. And dude, he has a &quot;story&quot; credit for it."
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It wasn't like he appeared in the film as a favor to Jaden, like Bruce Willis popping up in "Four Rooms" or something (or Will Smith in "Anchor Man 2"). He helped conceive the film. Shoot, that was an integral part of how it was marketed. So now saying, "Nope, it doesn't count," is revisionist.


>Furthermore, lol @ the assertion that it has him "re-thinking
>his career."

As in it's failure made him re-think his career. Which he's said. Numerous times. To his credit, he doesn't try to run away from it or ask for a pass. That's part of the reason why trying to give him one is silly.

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22. "No one is giving him a "pass.""
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I'm stating facts. It's a film in which he's not the lead. It's tonally different than nearly every big-budget character he's ever played. It was critically reviled for a series of reasons, some of which do pertain to Will Smith's contributions, both acting and otherwise. It is also not remotely a signifier of "the end of Will Smith." These aren't disputable. These are all I'm saying.

These are simply facts. It was a failure-- a big one. And people saw it coming. And when his next hit comes (and it will), people will see that coming too. Because this was, in a long career of big budget films, his *only* big budget failure. Ever.

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6. "What would "done" even mean for him?"
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"Done" as the world's biggest box office draw, or done as a star?

Like Tom Hanks' star might not be what it was in the late 90's, but nobody with any sense would call him "done."

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10. "I was thinking some combination between the first two trending downward"
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and to me it's a perfectly fair question, plus to any OKS natives the 'no disrespect' and 'done' parts were a fairly obvious Tiger Woods/all stah homage.

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13. "He'll be fine - this was his "reminder" film, and it's doing its job"
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He's still QUITE bankable.
His new movie outdid everything but the weather.
He's gotten decent reviews for it, his new after After Earth persona is reassuring (see what I did there?), the movie will make a modest profit and more importantly, in 2017 or 2018 when he makes another movie, you won't say, "the last thing I saw him in was that weird movie with his kid." You'll say, "the last thing I saw him in was that Ocean's 11-lookalike movie."
The Reminder Movie: A movie that will make the audience fall back in love with you. Mind you, the movie doesn't have to be all that good. It's just got to put you on good standing, something that proves you had a fluke not a slump.
If I were making some kind of projection, I'd say his goal now is to get his hands on something "good for him." Whether it be summer stuff (Independence Day) or "adult action" (Bad Boys) or be his charming self (Hitch). Don't be surprised if he starts doing the "funny suave stuff" that George Clooney has aged out of.


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14. "So you view this flick as a palette cleanser?"
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i can dig that. I want more of them Hitch type joints or dramatic joints.

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17. "Yup"
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As for him being in a comic book movie, I think folks will give him the pass on that because, well, can't make much of a career doing anything but.


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16. "I wondered the same thing, done as making anything critically good"
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I hope Suicide Squad is good and he can get some better roles, but at the rate he's going, he's due some more stinkers.

  

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19. "Everyone Is Saying That Will Smith Is Over"
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/will-smith-over_n_6800882.html?ir=Black+Voices&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000047

"Focus" only made $19 million its opening weekend and Will Smith is over. Or, at least, that's what everyone on the Internet thinks. In an array of very similarly themed pieces, The Daily Beast, BuzzFeed, Vulture and The Washington Post have all questioned his future.

To be clear, "Focus" came in at No. 1 and performed well at the box office considering it's an R-rated film released in February. But $19 million dollars is not good relative to the gold standard of Literally Any Movie Starring Will Smith. Thus, the death rattle of his career has echoed through the blogs.

]Let's put things in perspective: "Focus" is Smith's 15th best opening ever, behind even "After Earth" -- the scientology epic cited as his biggest career failure -- which had a debut of $27 million off a $130 million budget. (The budget for "Focus" was significantly smaller.)

"To everyone’s horror, Smith fell like Icarus while trying to make son Jaden into his own movie star in ," Jen Yamoto wrote for The Daily Beast. "Last month, Smith finally admitted that 'After Earth’s' massive failure 'broke' him free from the need to be the box office Ali. Conveniently, that also meant he already didn’t care if 'Focus' biffed it at the box office."

“It is a huge relief for me to not care whether or not Focus is No. 1 or No. 10 at the box office,” he said (via The Daily Beast). But what if it's No. 1 and only rakes in half his usual numbers?

Now, "Focus" is aimed at the non-lucrative audience of "mostly adults" (88 percent of audiences who saw the film opening weekend were older than 25, according to AP) and only saw modest reviews. It also can't be ignored as a shaky attempt at rebranding in the wake of "After Earth."

This was an important film for Smith. A sort of stepping stone back into the career he once had. As Betsey Sharkey of the Los Angeles Times wrote of "Focus:" "The Hollywood stakes for Smith are as high as they are for the con man he plays." Yet, there's more contributing to this supposed "failure" than his waning cool in the eyes of those under 25 critical consensus of "meh" in response to "Focus."

At Vulture, Kyle Buchanan attributed the decline to diminished returns for movie stars in general. He asserts that franchises are what matter most in the current market. "More than ever before, the source material is the star attraction," he wrote. "Actors have become truly secondary to the power of a strong franchise."

Emily Yahr, writing for The Washington Post, argued that the "the criteria for making the A-list in 2015 -- or staying on it -- has changed." She outlines different sorts of A-listers, noting the power of the franchise, but also tying in the likes of prestige, gravitas and marketability.

“The shelf-lives of A-listers are just much shorter,” Jeffrey Ulmer (the author credited with coining the letter-based ranking) told the paper. “Basically, you find a lot more actors having that spark of an A-list spark. The ability to structure a career almost as completely and militantly as someone like Tom Cruise” -- who conquered Hollywood hit by hit -- “is very tough.”

Still, Smith has a certain star pull that brought "Focus" numbers it would likely not have earned otherwise. "'Focus' is the kind of movie that needs a star of Smith’s stature to work," wrote BuzzFeed's Adam B. Vary. "At the box office, at least, Smith’s star power seems to have paid off."

This general idea is that he still has this "star power," though not as much as he once did, because, well, he's over and all movie stars and just good movies in general are over, and we are ruled by the franchise. Long live "Fifty Shades," "Twilight," etc.! And R.I.P., Will Smith's career. This is the state of the industry now.

Okay, maybe not. But in parting, we can only hope our beloved Fresh Prince's estimated $240 million net worth will ease him into this early retirement. In the words of young Jaden: "Just stare in the mirror and cry, and you'll be good."

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