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"Kingsman: The Secret Service (Matthew Vaughn, 2014)"
Wed Feb-11-15 12:27 PM by Frank Longo

          

http://collider.com/kingsman-the-secret-service-trailer/#more-332747

Shit looks ill.

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The Doors carry that trailer
May 20th 2014
1
Looks great !!
May 20th 2014
2
Pure, pure fun. Skip the trailers if plan on seeing this
Jan 08th 2015
3
The latest trailer that played in front of Into the Woods sold me.
Jan 09th 2015
4
      Matthew Vaughn has never made a bad movie.
Jan 09th 2015
5
           ^When you're right, you're right.
Jan 09th 2015
7
I'm here for this, I like everything about this
Jan 09th 2015
6
Might wanna correct the spelling to Kingsman for searchin but...
Feb 11th 2015
8
RE: Sofia Boutella
Feb 17th 2015
29
      Good lookin out
Feb 17th 2015
30
It looks HELLA good. I'ma peep it tomorrow.
Feb 11th 2015
9
RE:Question (possible spoiler)
Feb 12th 2015
10
Yes
Feb 12th 2015
11
When did that happen?
Feb 12th 2015
12
      YES
Feb 12th 2015
13
Yes
Feb 13th 2015
15
This was a lot of fun
Feb 13th 2015
14
Diverting enough.
Feb 13th 2015
16
I take issue w/ your issue w/ Gazelle
Feb 13th 2015
17
I see where you're coming from, and I would agree...
Feb 13th 2015
18
      I think Vaughn did a much better job tempering Millar
Feb 13th 2015
19
           To be fair to The Equalizer:
Feb 13th 2015
20
                RE: To be fair to The Equalizer:
Feb 13th 2015
21
                     Response:
Feb 14th 2015
22
agreed
Feb 16th 2015
27
Matthew Vaughn on the sex joke, killing SPOILER & the church fight
Feb 14th 2015
23
Everything before "it's empowering" regarding the scene, cool, i get it,...
Feb 18th 2015
32
      right? I wouldn't say it was misogynist per se, but
Jun 18th 2015
42
Very fun movie
Feb 16th 2015
24
I really enjoyed it. Cool cast, cool action.
Feb 16th 2015
25
a good popcorn flick
Feb 16th 2015
26
Much better than Kick-Ass
Feb 16th 2015
28
my waaaaay after the fact comment
Jun 18th 2015
43
Went in blind knowing nothing other than it was a Vaughn flick and loved...
Feb 17th 2015
31
Vaughn has a good appreciation for how fight scenes should look
Mar 02nd 2015
33
Fan-fucking-tastic. Loved it. Most fun I’ve had at the movies in awhil...
Mar 02nd 2015
34
That sequel idea...
Mar 02nd 2015
35
      Well, so long as they keep that one caveat, I'm good
Mar 02nd 2015
36
Well, goddamn
Mar 02nd 2015
37
I loved this joint. Great action.
May 02nd 2015
38
shit was lit. cant wait for the sequel.
May 04th 2015
39
that was fun..can't waitoo see the sequel.
May 04th 2015
40
RE:You Okaywankers better not sleep on this film
Jun 18th 2015
41
Jeex this movie was awful, dumb and slightly racist.
Jul 11th 2015
44
funny...i'm judging you for NOT being able to enjoy it
Jul 13th 2015
45
Don't we want this from our action movies though?
Jul 13th 2015
46
      I'm not sure you phrased your subject line correctly.
Jul 13th 2015
47

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1. "The Doors carry that trailer"
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I liked the trailer but it looks fairly generic.

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2. "Looks great !!"
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3. "Pure, pure fun. Skip the trailers if plan on seeing this"
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My nigga Matty Vaughn did it again.

This shit is gleefully, unapologetically violent. The sequence in the church is absolutely insane.

I was mad one character got popped, but whatever if Vaughn decides to finally follow through and continue a franchise he started, I'll be there opening day.

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4. "The latest trailer that played in front of Into the Woods sold me."
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The very first look at this movie was meh at best, now it's among my most anticipated films of the year.

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5. "Matthew Vaughn has never made a bad movie."
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And if you follow his filmography you know what you're getting into.

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7. "^When you're right, you're right."
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6. "I'm here for this, I like everything about this"
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This looks right up my alley

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8. "Might wanna correct the spelling to Kingsman for searchin but..."
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...jeah it's legit

Was worried about Firth, the kid, & hating Kick Ass but my expectations were exceeded on every level

Sammy Jack hasn't had this much fun playin the heavy since The Spirit. Always good to see my man Mark Strong as usual & Sofia Boutella is officially on the radar.

Great franchise potential w/ the remaining characters & Vaughn's most complete flick since Layer Cake

  

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29. "RE: Sofia Boutella"
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Sofia
>Boutella is officially on the radar.

I'll just leave this here for your viewing pleasure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gguOffpsImU

  

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30. "Good lookin out"
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> Sofia
>>Boutella is officially on the radar.
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>I'll just leave this here for your viewing pleasure:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gguOffpsImU
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9. "It looks HELLA good. I'ma peep it tomorrow."
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10. "RE:Question (possible spoiler)"
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Do they really kill Obama in this film as rumored?

  

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11. "Yes"
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12. "When did that happen?"
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I remember the reveal when Sam's trying to convince him to be a part of the team but not a death specifically

Was his just one of those many exploding fireworked heads towards the end?

  

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13. "YES"
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>Was his just one of those many exploding fireworked heads
>towards the end?

Shit was clear as day.

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15. "Yes"
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But it works within the context of the film and in no way comes off as offensive

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14. "This was a lot of fun"
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Fri Feb-13-15 06:34 PM by navajo joe

          

I just got back from this and have to say the more that I think about it the more it grows in my estimation. I saw it in an almost empty theater so it didn't quite have the energy that comes w/ seeing a crowd-pleaser with an actual crowd in the moment but the more I reflect on the film the more tickled I am by it.

This is the perfect complement to the Craig Bond/Damon Bourne films. Eschewing the dour attitude and realism of those films (almost all of which I love) this film updates, undermines and plays lovingly with the silliness of the Connery/Moore Bond films. The tonal balance the film strikes is incredibly refreshing. The spy movie tropes of days gone by are there and certainly as fantastical as ever but theirs enough grounding of the world and humanity in the characters to keep things from falling flat into spoof territory.

I'm not a fan of Mark Millar as a writer but the basic genetics of his work are ripe for the picking and thankfully Matthew Vaughn makes the material his own never letting Millar's misogynistic, mean-spirited tendencies run rampant. Thus he's able to strike a fine balance of violence and comedy, examination and send up all while creating a just plain fun film.

One of the many things that makes this film stand head and shoulders above Vaughns previous Millar adaptation is the perfect casting of Egerton. He's got charisma in spades and the ability to follow the character wherever it takes him. He's equally believable as the lower-class delinquent, the odd-man-out recruit and finally impossibly capable super spy. It's a great character given life by a great performance. The who's who of modern British acting's upper echelon that fills out much of the cast is all perfect. Firth is perfect as mentor and utterly badass in his action set pieces especially the film's best piece in the church. Mark Strong is solid as usual. I didn't know My Cocaine was in this going in and he's always welcome and drew a smile from me when he first appeared. Samuel L. Jackson's performance I'm a little mixed on just because the lisp seems like such an 'ACTOR' thing to do but it's also a great play on the accented arch-villain. His speech impediment standing in for the typical German/French/Eastern European accent. I wish they had played his distate for violence a little more just to really cement that aspect of his character. But it's great to have a villain in a film like this with a plan so large and so improbable that it collapses under any IQ over 60 but still works in the context of the world. His henchwoman was suitably capabale and lethal and a great original take on the second-in-command.

Perhaps my biggest beef is that Sophie Cookson's Roxy is sidelined from the main action of the climax. She's a great female character that is perfectly capable and I'm glad the film never played her as sex object or damsel in distress (there's even a nice inversion of that trope in the skydiving sequence where although it's Eggsy's plan she actually saves him). Cookson and Egerton have good chemistry on screen and I would have loved for them to have shared the film's climactic showdowns together rather than leaving her stranded on a mountainside for much of the film's finale.

A final note on actors. Seeing Mark Hamill again on the big screen was such a treat and both his performance and his look couldn't help but make me think how awesome it is we're getting to see him again as Luke Skywalker.

As an action film the film's sequences all pop and thankfully build over the course of the run time. This is all too rare these days where opening or penultimate action sequences in films casts a large shadow over the film's climactic action scenes (Ghost Protocol, Casino Royale, even John Wick). Although the film's best and most exciting sequence is rampage in the Church, the film's final number is a worthy successor in terms of scope and energy allowing the film to end with a bang instead of a wimper.

TL; DR-This is a lot of fun. Filled w/ great performances and innovative action set pieces. Definitely worthy of a franchise and I'd see another film set in this world with these characters in a heartbeat.



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16. "Diverting enough."
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Fri Feb-13-15 07:10 PM by Frank Longo

  

          

I know I'm in the minority on Matthew Vaughn (not a fan... his first movie I liked, but found the rest to be mixed bags at absolute best), so if you really liked Kick Ass, I can safely you'll love this one.

Pros:
- Eggsy is charismatic, and Colin Firth absolutely owns. I want to see him do more action films.
- the villainous plot, without me revealing it, is pretty sharp for a number of reasons. One of the more clever villain set-ups in recent memory.
- the Firth/Jackson showdowns. All good, all funny.
- some of the action is pretty sharp, although stylistically I don't really care for Vaughn's push-in, pull-out, CGI-assisted make-it-look-like-one-shot-but-still-make-it-look-tremendously-busy style.

Cons:
- the aforementioned style. I simply don't care for the way Vaughn moves the camera. Imagine Gazelle's fight scenes filmed by Gareth Evans. Or the Wachowskis. Or, I don't know, anyone else. Speaking of which...
- Gazelle is tragically underdeveloped. She's a fetish object. Which is a waste, as she's got a really cool look.
- Roxie is also wasted as the female Kingsman. While we're on the subject of female characters...
- the last beat of the film-- the Swedish Princess stuff-- is pretty goddamn cringeworthy. That line she has is CLASSIC Millar. I don't mean that as a compliment.
- (SPOILER HINTS) one character disappears roughly two thirds of the way through the film... and while that's a strong beat for the story, this character is the best character in the film by far, and once this character is gone, so was most of my interest. (END SPOILER HINTS)

Overall, it was fine. Enjoyable enough. I'd tune in on HBO for the action scenes if it was on in the background, especially for all the Colin Firth stuff. Again, if you dug Kick Ass, you'll really like this, as this is better.

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17. "I take issue w/ your issue w/ Gazelle "
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only because as a classic Bondian style henchperson she's not really required to be all that much more than an incredibly cool ass-kicker. At least she had some technical know how. I do think they could have fleshed out the hint that she hand Valentine have some kind of relationship or affection for one another and made it not about sex but like a genuine care for one another as it wouldn't be utterly misogynistic and kind of go against standard relationships.

I didn't mention the Swedish Princess bit in my comments but you're right it is classic Millar and rather jarring. I kind of chalked it up to playing against the Bondian entendre and just going for it.

I think Vaughns shooting style in the action sequences is a mixed bag here. The Church sequence is incredible and I understand the undercranking in that context because of the complex requirement of the scene. The technique does not lend itself as well to Firth's dismantling of the bruvs in the bar and makes it look like their working around the limitations of the actor same with the cutting of that sequence. None of the choreography or action cinematography is bad or angrifying but yeah he's not doing Wachowski, Evans or even Florentine level work here. That said, he's not working w/ actors on with that level of physicality either.

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18. "I see where you're coming from, and I would agree..."
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... if the movie had even one developed female character. This Millar dudebro shtick just seeps into every pore of the film.

Strangely enough, isn't the character in the comics a dude? Why change it to a woman, if you're just gonna fetishize her and not develop her in the slightest? (I realize the comics are very different, but the point remains: why not make that character a dude?)

The church scene worked for me less because of the choreo and more because of the song choice, lol. That was an inspired touch. The Colin Firth pub fight definitely disappoints, especially if anyone seeing it has already seen The Equalizer, in which the set-up and execution of an exceedingly similar scene is superior.

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19. "I think Vaughn did a much better job tempering Millar"
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this go round. Thankfully. I feel fortunate there was no rape considering the source.

If you look at any Bond movie it's not like they have developed female characters. I found MoneyPenny and Hot Chick who Exists Solely to Get Shot in Skyfall much more egregious and incensing than anything here. Roxy could have been given more to do but at least she wasn't the damsel in distress. Although the Swedish Princess was the very definition of.

Another thing to remember Roxy is the one who actually makes it into the Kingsman. She's never sexualized or employed as the romantic lead. She and Harry seem to develop a real friendship or at least working relationship built on mutual respect. That's pretty unique in films of this ilk. Also, she's the one who actually gets inducted into the Kingsman not Eggsy. She's his equal if not his better. As I noted before having her sidelined in the snow during much of the film's climax was a poor choice but it was better than her turning into a sex object at the end.

*SPOILERS*
I also think much of the scene of Eggsy going back to the Kingsman headquarters after killing My Cocaine where Roxy has the gun on Eggsy was left on the cutting room floor and that probably would have added at least a little bit to their dynamic. It was such a jarring inclusion.

I'm think it was a cool choice to make Gazelle a woman because she was kick ass. She was a cooler, wackier version of Odd Job and it was cool to have that role filled by a woman that is at no point scantily clad or bedded by the protagonist or the piece's villain.

The pub fight definitely was played too broad and not enough badass. Definitely better done in the Equalizer. Although it's funny you bring that film up because that film definitely is guilty of the issues you have with this one. I mean Chloe Grace Moretz's character just disappears for most of its runtime and the other woman in more than one scene is there really just to get killed brutally. To be kind, Melissa Leo shows up to handle some exposition.

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20. "To be fair to The Equalizer:"
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1. CGM isn't at any point supposed to be a badass fighter. Roxy is.
2. CGM is sidelined for a legitimate story reason: to provide motivation to our hero. Roxy's reason is silly-- they couldn't have shown her fighting like a bamf even once? We're constantly told that she's the finest of the bunch-- but the movie never lets us see it. Because it's not really interested in seeing her be badass. If she's around in the finale, we can't get the LULZ HILARIOUS BUTTSECKS joke.

Again, I'm mostly just objecting to Millar here. This movie is better than Kick Ass, like I said. There's still too much Millar for my taste-- not enough to turn me off entirely, but enough to keep me from falling in love, for sure.

Some critics seem to be arguing that it's making commentary on how terribly misogynistic/sadistic the Roger Moore Bond films were, and that excuses some of that stuff... but I think that's a huge stretch. Or, rather, if it is making commentary, that commentary is "weren't those Moore Bond movies awesome?" lol

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21. "RE: To be fair to The Equalizer:"
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>1. CGM isn't at any point supposed to be a badass fighter.
>Roxy is.
>2. CGM is sidelined for a legitimate story reason: to provide
>motivation to our hero. Roxy's reason is silly-- they couldn't
>have shown her fighting like a bamf even once? We're
>constantly told that she's the finest of the bunch-- but the
>movie never lets us see it. Because it's not really interested
>in seeing her be badass. If she's around in the finale, we
>can't get the LULZ HILARIOUS BUTTSECKS joke.

And trust, I'm not shitting on the Equalizer. I really dug that movie just that criticisms you're leveling at this movie the Equalizer is equally (pun intended) guilty of. You're right, CGM isn't supposed to be a badass fighter. She's supposed to be beaten and brutalized solely to serve as the catalyst for the story. That's it. She's every prostitute w/ the heart of gold, madonna/whore character in history. Sure it's revenge movie 101 but it is still the same old shit. There's a legitimate reason for her leaving and then popping up in the denoument sure but it does nothing to flesh out her character because her sole purpose is that she isn't a character she's solely their for revenge.

And yes Roxy definitely got the short shrift in terms of her being shown as being the BAMF. It's great that she conquers her fear of heights and handles her Gravity moment competently but it isn't enough. I think some of that ties into the training montage being not action-oriented enough. I was never really sold that any of the recruits, including Eggsy, was turned from what they were into what they became via what we saw. Them having to do some fighting/weapons training during the montage would have given us not only that but potentially Roxy's BAMF moment. Missed opportunities there.


>Again, I'm mostly just objecting to Millar here. This movie is
>better than Kick Ass, like I said. There's still too much
>Millar for my taste-- not enough to turn me off entirely, but
>enough to keep me from falling in love, for sure.
>
>Some critics seem to be arguing that it's making commentary on
>how terribly misogynistic/sadistic the Roger Moore Bond films
>were, and that excuses some of that stuff... but I think
>that's a huge stretch. Or, rather, if it is making commentary,
>that commentary is "weren't those Moore Bond movies awesome?"
>lol
>
>

I take no issues w/ any criticsms of Millar. And we are in agreement that this is better than Kick Ass largely because it's more Vaughn and less Millar. We disagree slightly on what is, precisely as you've said, a matter of taste. For me the Millarness of the movie was reduced to sufficient levels that allowed for enjoyment.

I am in agreement with those critics that the film plays with the misogyny of the Moore-era and Connery-era Bond films even the Craig films are guilty of the same thing. To some degree it comes with the material or is what audiences want and expect from the material. In this case, I don't think it's so much a commentary as there are some smart inversions of things like class and gender roles in the film relative to the films that its referencing. I don't think it's a stretch, I think it's in the text and subtext of the film itself. Is it progressive boundary-breaking action cinema as far as those subjects are concerned? No, but it is a fun and relatively unique take with some sly inversions and subversions on the common generic conventions.
That's why I said in my initial comments that I'm enjoying the film more the more I think about it and certainly more as a result of of our discussion.

Not many films especially action films these days are worth civil yet impassioned discussion between opposing view points. So thank you for giving your point of you view on the picture and challenging mine.

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22. "Response:"
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>>1. CGM isn't at any point supposed to be a badass fighter.
>>Roxy is.
>>2. CGM is sidelined for a legitimate story reason: to
>provide
>>motivation to our hero. Roxy's reason is silly-- they
>couldn't
>>have shown her fighting like a bamf even once? We're
>>constantly told that she's the finest of the bunch-- but the
>>movie never lets us see it. Because it's not really
>interested
>>in seeing her be badass. If she's around in the finale, we
>>can't get the LULZ HILARIOUS BUTTSECKS joke.
>
>And trust, I'm not shitting on the Equalizer. I really dug
>that movie just that criticisms you're leveling at this movie
>the Equalizer is equally (pun intended) guilty of. You're
>right, CGM isn't supposed to be a badass fighter. She's
>supposed to be beaten and brutalized solely to serve as the
>catalyst for the story. That's it. She's every prostitute w/
>the heart of gold, madonna/whore character in history. Sure
>it's revenge movie 101 but it is still the same old shit.
>There's a legitimate reason for her leaving and then popping
>up in the denoument sure but it does nothing to flesh out her
>character because her sole purpose is that she isn't a
>character she's solely their for revenge.

They at least did her the courtesy of fleshing out her character before dispatching her in a cliched manner for the plot. We got to know her, her relationships, her aspirations, etc. The filmmakers cared.

>I take no issues w/ any criticsms of Millar. And we are in
>agreement that this is better than Kick Ass largely because
>it's more Vaughn and less Millar. We disagree slightly on what
>is, precisely as you've said, a matter of taste. For me the
>Millarness of the movie was reduced to sufficient levels that
>allowed for enjoyment.

Right-- and just to reiterate, it's not that I wasn't diverted well enough. I got my laughs, smiled at some kills, etc. it's just relative degrees of enjoyment.


>I am in agreement with those critics that the film plays with
>the misogyny of the Moore-era and Connery-era Bond films even
>the Craig films are guilty of the same thing. To some degree
>it comes with the material or is what audiences want and
>expect from the material. In this case, I don't think it's so
>much a commentary as there are some smart inversions of things
>like class and gender roles in the film relative to the films
>that its referencing.

I agree that the class stuff is definitely there. I wish they'd played with it more. The idea of a bunch of privatized (mostly) rich white men murdering people viciously in the name of "gentlemanly conduct" vs a black villain who makes no claims to morality but actually has the genuine best interest of the planet at heart, it seems... all of that interests me. I wish they'd dug into all of that even more.

>
>Not many films especially action films these days are worth
>civil yet impassioned discussion between opposing view points.
>So thank you for giving your point of you view on the picture
>and challenging mine.

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27. "agreed"
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got cheesy after that character was killed off and the
women characters could have been fleshed out a bit more,
but not sure if this film was supposed to be a serious action
film though.

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23. "Matthew Vaughn on the sex joke, killing SPOILER & the church fight"
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http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/13/kingsman-director-matthew-vaughn-reveals-secrets-behind-church-scene-sex-joke-and?hootPostID=c6443fd26ab05a96c8b860196db80919

SPOILERS FOR YOU DUMBASSES. OBVIOUSLY.

If you haven’t seen Kingsman: The Secret Service, you definitely shouldn’t be reading this. We limited our interview with director Matthew Vaughn almost exclusively to spoilers.

If you have see Kingsman: The Secret Service, you won’t be surprised to know that EW’s burning questions for the director had to do with anal sex, exploding heads, and a bloody church massacre.

Since the love letter to spy movies is already gaining a following and a fair amount of notoriety, we asked Vaughn about three of the film’s most buzzed-about moments.

SPOILERS BELOW

The joke at the end of the movie — where Princess Tilde rewards Eggsy with anal sex for saving her — has caused a stir in the preview screenings. What was the origin of the gag?

If you’ve noticed, this is my Spinal Tap of trying to find 11 with every scene. What happened there was I studied all the old movies, especially the Bond ones. At the end of Moonraker, he’s floating around in space on Dr. Goodhead, and they say, “Bond is attempting reentry.” In The Spy Who Loved Me, he says he’s “keeping the British end up.” The innuendo is pretty strong and always comes from the men. I just thought it would be great to turn it on its head by having the woman say it. I actually think it’s empowering. Some bloody feminists are accusing me of being a misogynist. I’m like, “It couldn’t be further from the truth.” It’s a celebration of women and the woman being empowered in a weird way in my mind, which will cause a big argument again I’m sure. It’s meant to be tongue-in-cheek and crazy.

Was there ever any question, either on your end or from the studio, of whether to include it?

There was a lot of debate about whether to put it in or out. We watched it without the line, and it just felt a bit flat. You just went, “Well, really?” It just didn’t feel as brave as the rest of the movie is. There’s not right or wrong about movies, but I was surprised when people are saying to me, “I loved the movie. I think it’s great, but I was offended by that.” I said, “Really? That’s more offensive than exploding heads, massacres in church, swearing, people being cut in half?” I was like, come on. It’s just a joke. It’s not even graphic.

How did the scene play out in the version without the joke?

What you do is you say, “If you save the world, I’ll give you more than a kiss.” That’s it. Then he goes back for it and shuts the door. That’s it. Then you go, “Yeah, that’s okay.” For the 20 percent who were offended by it, there are 80 percept who are rolling around laughing so hard. Those 20 percent of people just need to lighten up a little bit. It’s about pushing boundaries and having a bit of fun. It’s not meant to be offensive, and it’s definitely not misogynist or any attack on women. That’s for sure.

Even before them, you pushed some boundaries by exploding an enormous amount of heads. Was the visual always going to be the colored smoke we see?

With the heads exploding, I wrote the line saying something like, “And then all of the bad guys’ heads start to explode in a Busby Berkeley firework display.” So I always imagined it to be beautiful and brief. I went to three effects houses because the first two kept going what I call “Cronenberg-Scanners style,” sort of messy with brains. I said, “Guys, that’s disgusting. I don’t want that. I keep saying I want surreal and beautiful, like the nicest fireworks.” I wanted people to forget what they’re looking at and enjoy it. Three effects houses later, it was the first thing I previz-ed and the last thing we got ready before delivery. Once we got it right, people seemed to really like it. I haven’t had one complaint about it, which is a good sign.

You also managed to blow up President Obama’s head. That’s interesting timing considering what happened with The Interview and North Korea.

First of all, it’s not Obama. I just want to be clear. This is not an attack on Obama at all. This is an attack on all politicians, but the easiest way to making the point where people knew that Valentine was in power was to have the White House. We needed someone who was reminiscent of Obama, so that people got the point. But we’re taking out all politicians, whether it’s Swedish or English. What made me laugh is that also this movie is a very good example of a thing called free speech and expression. Something tells me that if Obama does watch the movie, it will make him laugh. I know he’s a big comic book fan, so I think he’ll go with it. It’s not an attack on Obama. I think Obama is a good man. This whole movie is meant to be fun. We’re all having a tough time in the world right now, and it’s meant to be two hours of letting you forget about everything.

Turning to one of your other water-cooler moments, with the church fight, how did you nail down the technical aspects of pulling off the scene?

With a lot of prep. I have a brilliant second unit director/fight choreographer, Brad Allan, and we just sat down. I said, “Brad, I want it to be a ballet of slaughter. I don’t want quick cuts. I want the camera to float around.” We looked at lots of references, and he went off and designed the fight. He brings it back to me on video, and we then cut some stuff, changed the order of things. Eventually, it evolves until it’s all really planned. Then you go off and shoot it. The real work, the real brain sweating is coming up with the idea and figuring out how to do it.

Did you use tricky editing or special effects to string the long takes together?

It’s all for real. I didn’t want any wirework. Poor Colin was out there for six months training and training and training. That’s why I call it a ballet because in a weird way, fight sequences are just dances. We wanted to do it so that we could make it more hypnotic in the length of it. People say, “Oh, it’s too long.” I’m going, “No, it’s not too long. It’s making a point.” Normally, a scene like that you’d have one hundred cuts: left, right, and center, shaking the camera around so you have no idea what’s going on. That’s why I think people are surprised by it, because you can actually watch what’s happening and just follow it as a story.

How did you decide to use “Free Bird”?

When I wrote the scene, I did it to “November Rain,” the Guns N’ Roses track. I was laughing because I’ve always had this image of Slash, playing the guitar in front of a little white church in the middle of nowhere. That was in my mind, but A) the guitar solo is not long enough, and B) it’s actually darker than I realized. I literally went online and search “great long American guitar solos.” “Free Bird” came up, and I whacked it on. It looked like we shot the whole thing using that track. Then we did a really great remix of it, where we got all of The Stems. A friend of mine, Charles Martin, who is George Martin’s son, remixed the whole thing for me. It fit it perfectly, and it’s cool. It’s a good guitar solo, man.

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32. "Everything before "it's empowering" regarding the scene, cool, i get it,..."
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C'mon. Empowering? Oh, and dude wanna get some tail, literally before making sure his little sister is ok?

  

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42. "right? I wouldn't say it was misogynist per se, but"
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I definitely didn't think "Female empowerment!" when this presumably important, sophisticated political figure was like "Save us and I'll give up the ass."

The edit that he describes actually sounds way more tasteful. But then, when a dude got split in half in the first ten minutes, it was pretty clear that the movie wasn't gunning for tasteful.

  

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24. "Very fun movie"
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I enjoyed it. Great fight scenes too


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25. "I really enjoyed it. Cool cast, cool action."
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I loved the over-the-top references, jokes, action, violence. It was Kick-Ass meets James Bond, which I'm very OK with. Many of the really corny James Bond films would have benefitted from not taking themselves so seriously.

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26. "a good popcorn flick"
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kinda got cheesy towards the end but, it was entertaining.

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28. "Much better than Kick-Ass"
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Since we're comparing the anarchic spirit that the two share in common, not to mention the same source author in Mark Millar.

Loved the fresh spin on the spy movie. Didn't need the Sam Jack/Colin Firth meta commentary on it, though.

Speaking of which, those two were fantastic, and Sam's "Russell-Simmons-As-A-Bond-Villain" riff was inspired, if only because of the lisp. Mark Strong was cool as well. And I don't really agree that once Colin was killed off that the air went out of the movie, especially since it's not his story, and the fact that we all know how these mentor-student relationships always play out in action movies.

I'm not sure Vaughn needed to push the final joke as far as he did. You could have just had ol' boy return and knock on the door, - or even enter the cell - then roll credits.

Some much-needed fun for me.

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43. "my waaaaay after the fact comment"
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I think it was better than Kick-Ass because it was straight comic movie violence and tone.

Kick-Ass tried to blend heavy comic book violence with a "real world" tone. As a result the message was jarring, a bit disturbing and definitely NOT fun (for me at least). I didn't see Kick-Ass 2 by the first one almost made me want to shy away from anything adapted from Mark Millar's work. But this one got it right.

  

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31. "Went in blind knowing nothing other than it was a Vaughn flick and loved..."
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Most fun I've had at the movies in a while. A nice surprise. The film definitely doesn't take it self seriously so I didn't either.

  

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33. "Vaughn has a good appreciation for how fight scenes should look"
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>http://collider.com/kingsman-the-secret-service-trailer/#more-332747
>
>Shit looks ill.

Just IMO though.

  

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34. "Fan-fucking-tastic. Loved it. Most fun I’ve had at the movies in awhil..."
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A few things, spoilers:

-Roxy needed to have a bigger part in that final mission. It makes no sense to pepper us with glimpses of that relationship only to give her the sidekick mission, especially when she’s the one who actually made it through. That was a wasted opportunity and a minor gripe, but nothing that seriously lessened my overall enjoyment

-I didn’t like the shit with the dog as the final test. Far too many variables in the mix and were I him, I would have viewed the test as being whether or not I’d actually murder an innocent, because I’d have not fucking idea that the gun had blanks. It just made no sense.

-I’m all good with Gazelle. She didn’t demand any more attention than she got and I thought she was well enough developed for what was required of her.

-I fucking HATE HATE HATE the fact that Galahad died, and that’s really just a testament to how much I loved the character. I was good with watching Igby go it alone afterward. I have no issues with the story itself as a result of his death, I just really hated to see him die. If there’s a sequel, I don’t give two fucks what sort of shenanigans and fuckery it takes, bring him back.

It mostly hit all the right notes. I can take or leave that final joke. It was crass but I didn’t find it as so egregious that I considered it cringe-worthy and in fact found it funny despite being completely unnecessary. A joke like that needs a deft hand, and as Zoo said, watching the credits roll after he went back to her room would have been enough. Shit, just showing Merlin’s reaction was enough.

Oh, and I read that any prospective sequel would deal with the American chapter, which would be a bad thing IMO. Part of the charm of this came from the English characters.

  

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35. "That sequel idea..."
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I actually really like that idea, as long as they incorporate Eggsy, Merlin, and Roxy into the final product.

The rest of the cast should then be older likable American actors akin to the likable older British actors (Caine, Firth, Strong) from the first movie.

And it grows the universe and idea to more than just the UK.

But that's just me.

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36. "Well, so long as they keep that one caveat, I'm good "
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I just don't want to see some brand new chapter that does away with this cast. I really enjoyed all of these characters.

  

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That shit was amazing. So much fun.

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38. "I loved this joint. Great action. "
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Solid story.

Sam Jack as Russell Simmons was funny too.

Will definitely watch the sequel.

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39. "shit was lit. cant wait for the sequel."
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40. " that was fun..can't waitoo see the sequel."
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41. "RE:You Okaywankers better not sleep on this film"
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This was more fun than Skyfall.
Grade B+

  

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44. "Jeex this movie was awful, dumb and slightly racist."
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Judging all yall who were impressed with it.

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..to each their own...

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46. "Don't we want this from our action movies though?"
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"this movie was awful, dumb and slightly racist."

I felt like Sam Jack's acting choices were a big wink and a nod to how you were supposed to take this movie.

Imho it hit all the points it was made to hit, I liked it alot.

  

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47. "I'm not sure you phrased your subject line correctly."
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Because I don't like when movies are awful, dumb, or racist, lol.

And, while I'm in the minority on this, I certainly don't like when a movie winks at me with meta-commentary on dumb genre movies and proceeds to engage in those same dumb genre movie tropes. I vastly prefer earnest dumbness to ironic dumbness.

Then again, I don't remember if this movie was awful, dumb, or racist. I remember being lukewarm on the film as a whole, outside of Firth and SLJ, and that's literally *all* I remember.

I just wanted to point out that you may have phrased your subject line poorly, lol.

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