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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhHoCnRg1Yw

http://collider.com/the-wind-rises-trailer-japan-controversy/

First, a little update on what’s happening in Japanese politics . According FP Passport , Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has:

"tried to reframe Japan’s role in World War II: He’s questioned “whether it is proper to say that Japan ‘invaded’ its neighbors” and questioned the 1995 official apology to “comfort women,” the conscription prostitutes provided to Japanese troops during the war. Abe is currently pushing for a revision of the Japanese constitution that would not only ease the country’s prohibition on military aggression, but would also enshrine the Emperor as the head of state and compel “respect” for symbols of Japan’s pre-war heyday."

Miyazaki does not share Abe’s zeal to return the country to it’s pre-World War II values and transform the Self-Defense Forces into a standing military (the SDF is currently engaged in international peacekeeping). In a recent interview for the film, Miyazaki says,

“If I had been born a bit earlier, I would have been a gunkoku shonen (Militarist Youth),” Miyazaki writes… But instead, he grew up in a family in which his father went from building airplane components during the war to opening a jazz club to cater to American soldiers during the postwar occupation. Removed from the “hysteria” of the war years, Miyazaki writes, he “had a strong feeling in my childhood that we had ‘fought a truly stupid war’.”

Entering into this political arena has brought the ire of nationalists and Abe supporters against the acclaimed filmmaker. Additionally, the film may not only be anti-militarism. Per Dawn.com:

“The time shown in the movie resembles the present,” said film commentator Ryusuke Hikawa, referring to the 1923 earthquake that devastated Tokyo and the 1930s Depression – parallels to the 2011 earthquake and tsunami and Japan’s long-stagnant economy.

“After the quake there was turmoil and Japan began heading towards war. It is possible to feel some similarities … The economy was bad and psychologically it was a situation of having to do something big, and that’s how things got nationalistic.”

The economic stagnation makes sense, but Miyazaki based the movie off a manga he did in 2009. Of course, it’s possible he made some changes for the animated adaptation, but the 2011 earthquake could be a coincidence, and the intended goal was to critique Japan’s current economic stagnation, which has lasted for decades.

Japanese critic Yuichi Maeda believes that in order to dispel any ambiguity, The Wind Rises must be read along with Miyazaki’s essay. Personally, I’m fascinated by how this controversy will develop, and I’m eager to learn more about it since my current understanding of Japanese politics is limited, and my memory of my college Japanese History courses is a little hazy (sorry, Professor Dicenzo).

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Abe is a dumb fuck.
Aug 14th 2013
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Co-sign everything you said.
Aug 15th 2013
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Can't wait
Aug 16th 2013
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Saw this Monday afternoon. I really poignant film for Miyazaki...
Nov 06th 2013
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I dunno... my kids (8, 6, and 3) sat through all of Whispers of the Hear...
Nov 06th 2013
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      Just know this is a meditation on war, life, love, and poltics
Nov 06th 2013
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           it probably will be dubbed though, for major release
Nov 06th 2013
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                That's fine. I'm in no postion to tell you what to do with your kids.
Nov 06th 2013
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Nov 06th 2013
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This is delightful. And it's in theaters for one week. So go see it.
Nov 10th 2013
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in LA and NYC
Nov 12th 2013
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      The idiocy of the "Oscar qualifying run"
Nov 12th 2013
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Gordon-Levitt, Blunt head up 'The Wind Rises' U.S. cast *swipe*
Jan 12th 2014
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damn, that's a hell of a cast
Jan 12th 2014
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      Word I saw that shit and said I'm gonna have to peep it again myself.
Jan 12th 2014
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Up for wide release. Please go see this!!! nm
Feb 28th 2014
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Finally!
Feb 28th 2014
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Saw it today
Mar 01st 2014
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gorgeous to watch, but overreaching.
Mar 23rd 2014
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1. "Abe is a dumb fuck."
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both on a moral level, for trying to whitewash Japan's war crime history, and a practical one, for making relations in East Asia (and subsequently the world) even tougher.

anyway, can't wait to see this.

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2. "Co-sign everything you said."
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Very well put.

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3. "Can't wait"
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Is there a more consistent filmmaker alive than Miyazaki?

Looks to be his most adult-oriented film since Mononoke. I wonder if Disney will distribute.

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4. "Saw this Monday afternoon. I really poignant film for Miyazaki..."
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...to retire on. The after reading the article above, I definitely see the politics at play in this film. It's a really profound film. I gotta say though this is strictly for adults because it lacks the cute and fantasy characters that usually populate Miyazaki's films. So if you bring your kids, they're gonna be restless.

Also, at 2 hours and 6 minutes it's a tad too long. But that's how I feel with all of Miyazaki's stuff.

If you live in NY or LA, try to catch it this weekend. It's coming to both cities for a one week run for Oscar consideration before it gets a proper release in February.

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6. "I dunno... my kids (8, 6, and 3) sat through all of Whispers of the Hear..."
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w/no difficulty. The 6 y.o. actually asked to see it again recently.

When I told them there was a new Miyazaki film coming out, they were literally jumping up and down asking to go see it. It's going to be hard to say no. Maybe they'll forget by Feb. though.

(We've already discussed that they can't watch Mononoke 'til they're older. We'll see how long that lasts.)

>I gotta say though this is strictly for
>adults because it lacks the cute and fantasy characters that
>usually populate Miyazaki's films. So if you bring your kids,
>they're gonna be restless.

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7. "Just know this is a meditation on war, life, love, and poltics "
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And it's not dubbed either.

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8. "it probably will be dubbed though, for major release"
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my kids also sat through the Doraemon movie Nobita & the Robot Army with no dubbing or subtitles, which was... surprising. THe movie was awful, of course, but then again I'm not 7.

Not saying they'll be able to digest the whole thing, but it has romance & airplanes and that Totoro logo, they'll probably get into it, and hopefully absorb a little history and ethics along the way.

If a lot of reviews say NOT FOR THE KIDDIES then we'll skip it, but as of right now I'm leaning toward taking the whole gang.

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9. "That's fine. I'm in no postion to tell you what to do with your kids."
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There's really no inappropriate material except for a very mild suggestive scene. And really bad nosebleed...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/movies/hayao-miyazakis-film-the-wind-rises-gets-complaints.html

LOS ANGELES — “The Wind Rises” is the type of art film that typically speeds into the Oscar race. Critics at film festivals have swooned over its nuance. It delivers messages about turbulent modern times by examining traumatic events of the past. The film’s 72-year-old director and writer, Hayao Miyazaki, a cinematic giant, has said the ambitious animated picture will be his last, a final bow.

A scene from “The Wind Rises.”

Instead, “The Wind Rises” is entering the Oscar competition on tiptoe.

The film, a box-office smash in Japan with ticket sales of $120 million, will play in New York and Los Angeles starting on Friday for one week, the minimum release time a movie can receive and still be eligible for the Academy Awards. A Hollywood producer who has taken the film under his wing, Frank Marshall, declined an interview request. The movie’s distributor, Walt Disney Studios, is also stepping carefully.

One explanation for the sensitivity? Although “The Wind Rises” has a strong pacifist message, it is essentially a biopic of Jiro Horikoshi, an aeronautical engineer whose contribution to the world was a killing machine. His designs led to the Mitsubishi A6M Zero fighter, which was used to devastating effect during World War II.

Mr. Miyazaki’s film, which is aimed at adults, also features at least eight scenes in which characters smoke cigarettes. That imagery, while historically correct, stirred controversy in Japan because of its potential impression on young viewers and could prompt an even louder reaction in North America, where animation is seen to a much greater degree as a product for children.

“The main worry is that people will make a judgment about the film before they see it,” said Fran Krause, a professor of character animation at California Institute of the Arts. “There is a lot of subtlety to Miyazaki’s work, and this film in particular will require a lot of benefit of the doubt that people these days don’t often have.”

Geoffrey Wexler, the international chief at Studio Ghibli, the Tokyo studio for which Mr. Miyazaki was a co-founder in 1985, expressed similar concerns in a telephone interview.

“People have agendas, and it’s easy to use this film as your own,” Mr. Wexler said. Despite its antimilitary message, for instance, “The Wind Rises” has been denounced in South Korea as a celebration of Japan’s wartime aggression. Mr. Miyazaki and his film have meanwhile been criticized as unpatriotic by some conservatives in Japan, where the prime minister, wary of China’s rise, has pushed for a constitutional revision that would allow for a more muscular military.

Mr. Wexler said the film should be seen primarily for what it is — a love story, between two people and between a creator and his invention. “It’s may be a little bit corny, but he just wanted to design something beautiful,” Mr. Wexler said, referring to the Zero engineer. “He couldn’t pick the era he lived in.”

Asked if lingering wartime tension could nonetheless sway Oscar voters, many of whom are older, Mr. Wexler said, “People who have been directly affected will have a more acute sensitivity.” Ultimately, however, the film’s backers believe there will be little to no effect.

Because of the smoking and other difficult imagery — animated bombs, a tuberculosis epidemic — Disney will release “The Wind Rises” at arm’s length. A dubbed version of the movie, set for limited release in the United States and Canada on Feb. 21, will be distributed on Disney’s Touchstone Pictures label. Mr. Miyazaki’s previous three movies, including “Spirited Away” (2002), which won the Oscar for best animated film, were released in North America under the flagship Disney logo.

Dave Hollis, Disney’s distribution chief, said in a statement that the studio is “honored” to bring Mr. Miyazaki’s latest film to domestic audiences. Disney has had a distribution relationship with Studio Ghibli for 16 years. By easing this darker picture into the Oscar race, Disney is hoping to secure a best animated film nomination (in January) that it can use as a marketing hook with audiences. Mr. Miyazaki’s work tends to struggle in North America, even with celebrities providing the English dubbing.

Indeed, just getting seen — by ticket buyers and voters alike — could be the biggest challenge for “The Wind Rises,” awards strategists say. Critics have praised the film’s nuanced handling of Japanese history and raved about its rural vistas and delicate pastel color palette. But some film buffs who have seen the movie at festivals in Venice, Toronto, New York and Telluride, Colo., have winced at its length: 126 minutes. There is a long sequence about rivets.

To that end, a little controversy might actually help the film, said Don Levy, a former awards strategist for Sony Pictures and a member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. “To a certain extent, controversy sparks interest and curiosity,” he said. “I also trust voters. They can love or hate or have feelings toward a subject and still evaluate its artistic merit.”

Serious films have slipped into Oscar’s animation category before; “Persepolis,” about a girl coming of age in Iran at the onset of the Islamic Revolution, was nominated in 2008. But Mr. Levy, now an independent media consultant, noted that the Academy Award for best animated film has always gone to a child-friendly contender. “Brave” won in February.

On the plus side, he said, campaigners for “The Wind Rises” can waive the legacy flag: Don’t miss your last chance to honor Mr. Miyazaki. “I’ve created a stir several times before by saying that I’ll quit, but this time I’m serious,” Mr. Miyazaki said at a Sept. 6 news conference in Tokyo, citing his age and failing eyesight.

Mr. Krause of CalArts noted Studio Ghibli has a history of tackling extremely serious topics. “Grave of the Fireflies” was a grim 1988 film from the company about two starving children in postwar Japan. “I guess the difference is that, when it comes from a major director, it can still be a big surprise,” Mr. Krause said.

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10. "This is delightful. And it's in theaters for one week. So go see it."
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looks like the rest of us will be waiting until late February

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12. "The idiocy of the "Oscar qualifying run""
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Although I reckon if it wins Best Animated Feature, that could drum up publicity later down the road... but it strikes me that even if they did a one-or-two-night national screening, folks would show up.

I really want to know what the numbers were for that NYFCC Nebraska event, where they showed it to audiences in like 25 cities one night, one screening, well before it even comes to LA/NY, much less goes wide. I think it's a brilliant idea, and it'd be so great for film lovers who don't live in the only two cities that get everything.

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13. "Gordon-Levitt, Blunt head up 'The Wind Rises' U.S. cast *swipe*"
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/12/16/the-wind-rises-voice-cast/3911661/

The Wind Rises looks to be Hayao Miyazaki's final film, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt wanted to be a part of the famed Japanese director's 50-year legacy in animation.

Gordon-Levitt headlines a top-notch voice cast for the American release next year of The Wind Rises, which has already garnered a Golden Globe nomination for best foreign film and could be in line for a nod in the Oscar category of best animated feature.

"What I love about acting is becoming somebody else, and when you're just doing the voice and the animation is providing the visuals, you can really become someone else," says Gordon-Levitt, a fan of Miyazaki's Princess Mononoke (1997) and the Oscar-winning Spirited Away (2001).

The Wind Rises, which had an Oscar-qualifying run in Los Angeles last month and was named the 2013 best animated film by the National Board of Review, will be released in theaters Feb. 21.

The historical fantasy casts Gordon-Levitt as Jiro Horikoshi, a young Japanese boy in the early 20th century who dreams of flying with the birds and meeting Italian plane designer Giovanni Caproni (Stanley Tucci). Jiro can't become a pilot due to his poor vision, but as he grows up he becomes an aeronautical engineer who designs the fighter planes that the Japanese would ultimately use during World War II — and has to deal with the emotional consequences of his role in the destruction.

For producer Frank Marshall, it's a "remarkable" ensemble cast that also includes Emily Blunt, John Krasinski and Mandy Patinkin. "We credit the beauty and magic of Mr. Miyazaki's final film for bringing together this phenomenal group of performers."

The Wind Rises is a family affair for Blunt, who plays Nahoko, Jiro's dying love interest afflicted with tuberculosis. She commuted to the recording studio with her husband Krasinski, who plays aircraft designer Honyo, and Tucci is married to Blunt's sister.

The actress calls the movie Miyazaki's most complex work to date. "It's that dreamlike idea of thinking for one's self," she says. "My character represents that idea, that purity of dreaming for a better world, and that's partly because she knows she hasn't got long in this world."

Gordon-Levitt feels The Wind Rises is "clearly the work of someone who's a master at their craft" but also strikes a different balance between fantasy and reality than the 72-year-old Miyazaki's other films.

Instead of imaginary creatures and worlds, "this one is more grounded in human beings and a historical moment in time," Gordon-Levitt says. However, "there's still a flavor of magic in it as you go inside the mind of this aeronautics engineer and you see him walking on the wings of airplanes in his dream."

If Miyazaki does stay true to his word that he's retiring from filmmaking, The Wind Rises makes for a nice farewell, according to Blunt.

"We must live" is a line audiences will hear in the movie, she says, "and it's through our losses and our accomplishments, as if we're emboldened by our dreams, that we must live. That's a really deep message for a lot of people."

ENGLISH-LANGUAGE CAST FOR THE WIND RISES

Joseph Gordon-Levitt — main character Jiro Horikoshi

Emily Blunt — love interest Nahoko Satomi

John Krasinski — Honjo, Jiro's college pal and fellow aviation engineer

Martin Short — Kurokawa, Jiro's grumpy boss

Stanley Tucci — Caproni, Italian airplane creator

Mandy Patinkin — Hattori, senior designer at Mitsubishi

William H. Macy — Satomi, Nahoko's father

Werner Herzog — the mysterious Castorp

Mae Whitman — Kayo, Jiro's younger sister, as well as Kinu, Nahoko's caretaker

Jennifer Grey — Mrs. Kurokawa

Darren Criss — Katayama, one of Jiro's engineering colleagues

Elijah Wood — Sone, another of Jiro's colleagues

Ronan Farrow — Mitsubishi employee

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14. "damn, that's a hell of a cast"
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I'll have to rewatch just to hear Herzog as Castorp

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15. "Word I saw that shit and said I'm gonna have to peep it again myself."
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16. "Up for wide release. Please go see this!!! nm"
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We intended to watch the subbed version (and had confirmed that our session was subbed), but they screened the dub instead, so we weren't very happy about that.

Anyway, this isn't one of Miyazaki's best imo, but I still enjoyed it. The ending was a bit abrupt, but overall it was a good film about a man being passionate about the things he love - his work and (to a lesser extent) his wife. The score was outstanding and so are the visuals, as expected of a Miyazaki movie.

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19. "gorgeous to watch, but overreaching. "
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a lot of themes crammed into this one. the pacifism and criticism seem measured -- I thought the sacrifice of family for national industry was more prominent and personal. "no one is greater than the whole" type patriotism, which probably resonates with citizens in Japan.

weirdly edited, however, and less entertaining than most of Miyazaki's work. a merely solid film from a spectacular director, but a worthy addition to his canon.

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