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"12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)"
Thu Jul-11-13 10:10 PM by Ghetto Black

  

          

Ejiofor, Fassbender, Pitt, Dano and Giamatti.

This is an anticipatory post.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
cast and director are a lock.
Jul 12th 2013
1
A free man who is captured and sold into slavery, I think...
Jul 12th 2013
2
      Oh word? I REALLY don't see how this makes ANY $.
Jul 12th 2013
3
           point being?
Jul 12th 2013
4
                Good point.
Jul 12th 2013
5
                     Just because the budget's bigger and the focus is wider doesn't mean
Jul 12th 2013
6
                          You misunderstand me. I'm sure it'll be a good film.
Jul 12th 2013
7
                               less than once or twice a decade?
Jul 12th 2013
8
                               RE: less than once or twice a decade?
Sep 02nd 2013
27
                                    I went all in on HSX. Regarding awards...
Sep 02nd 2013
29
                                         RE: I went all in on HSX. Regarding awards...
Sep 03rd 2013
32
                               RE: You misunderstand me. I'm sure it'll be a good film.
Jul 13th 2013
10
                               RE: You misunderstand me. I'm sure it'll be a good film.
Jul 13th 2013
11
Rumor is test screenings have went really really well
Jul 12th 2013
9
I will be surprised if this is anything but great
Jul 14th 2013
12
First trailer and poster
Jul 15th 2013
13
Yes
Jul 15th 2013
15
Wow, great fucking trailer. McQueen's about to make that leap.
Jul 15th 2013
16
That's some cast
Jul 15th 2013
17
WOW.
Jul 15th 2013
18
Am I the only one who thinks Brad Pitt looks out of place in this?
Jul 16th 2013
20
Yes
Jul 16th 2013
21
Nope, the second I saw him it threw me out of the trailer for a bit.
Jul 16th 2013
22
Damn
Jul 17th 2013
23
OSCAR!!!!
Jul 15th 2013
14
Steve Muthaf-in Mcqueen ,dope trailer!
Jul 15th 2013
19
Telluride screening got raves, calling Ejiofor a lock.
Aug 30th 2013
24
absolutely not surprised
Sep 02nd 2013
25
i'm in of course
Sep 02nd 2013
26
At least you didn't say Django
Sep 02nd 2013
28
      ah but you did
Sep 02nd 2013
31
           I saw the trailer for this one when we saw The Butler
Sep 10th 2013
35
                i was excited
Oct 26th 2013
82
CANNOT WAIT.
Sep 02nd 2013
30
finally Ejiofor getting a prominent lead role
Sep 06th 2013
33
A Film 'Really' About Slavery With No Apologies--review by Stephane Dunn
Sep 10th 2013
34
2nd best movie of the year. Please see this. Reposting my post from GD
Sep 11th 2013
36
I am soo hype to see this but Fassy fine ass pissed me all the way
Sep 12th 2013
37
Oh damn!!! I didn't know he said that.
Sep 12th 2013
38
RE: I am soo hype to see this but Fassy fine ass pissed me all the way
Oct 18th 2013
44
He played the role. He had to find the humanity
Oct 20th 2013
51
saw it last night
Oct 18th 2013
43
Right today, this is my Best Picture of the year.
Oct 20th 2013
52
12 years a slave : best picture lock?
Sep 12th 2013
39
As bold, brutal, and beautiful as advertised. Believe the hype.
Oct 17th 2013
40
RE: As bold, brutal, and beautiful as advertised. Believe the hype.
Oct 18th 2013
41
I can't wait to see it but I'm already cringing at...
Oct 18th 2013
42
Just hoping Ejiofor don't go full Toby
Oct 19th 2013
45
RE: Just hoping Ejiofor don't go full Toby
Oct 19th 2013
46
yeah, the hype/praise, it's real and deserved
Oct 19th 2013
47
Excellent. One of the few films on slavery that doesn't pull ANY punche...
Oct 20th 2013
48
A masterpiece.
Oct 20th 2013
49
Spoilers.....
Oct 21st 2013
54
      Nice analysis. I loved that shot and scene.
Oct 21st 2013
60
           Thanks.
Oct 21st 2013
62
                Only a handful of us have seen the movie to this point. Give it time.
Oct 21st 2013
63
                yep marinating
Oct 26th 2013
83
                it's also a great plot device to allow the audience who is
Oct 23rd 2013
71
                     True.
Oct 23rd 2013
72
WOW.
Oct 20th 2013
50
(SPOILER) So, looking at the poster for the movie, which is dope, and
Oct 20th 2013
53
It made me love Django Unchained even more.
Oct 21st 2013
55
because they both can exist.
Oct 21st 2013
56
      more b/c DU gave me everything i want in a slave movie.
Oct 21st 2013
58
           LOL
Oct 22nd 2013
66
           yup. both are needed.
Dec 20th 2013
131
           agreed
Dec 27th 2013
134
Big applause. I'm still reflecting on the experience. Job well done
Oct 21st 2013
57
seems like one of these instances where the film accurately follows
Oct 21st 2013
59
It does....
Oct 21st 2013
61
Interesting film. Certainly great, but interesting
Oct 22nd 2013
64
'it couldn't be me'
Oct 22nd 2013
65
RE: 'it couldn't be me'
Oct 22nd 2013
67
      He never considered suicide.
Oct 22nd 2013
68
The NY Times has published a curriculum for the book and film
Oct 22nd 2013
69
thanks
Oct 26th 2013
84
the mistress shaw/solomon/patsy
Oct 22nd 2013
70
RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)
Oct 24th 2013
73
i dunno that the slaves had a sense of shared Black identity.
Oct 24th 2013
74
Agreed 100%.
Oct 26th 2013
78
I took Solomon's affect as a stylistic choice to serve a couple
Oct 24th 2013
75
RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)
Oct 24th 2013
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RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)
Oct 25th 2013
77
Having a "post-racial" black become a slave is even more powerful
Oct 26th 2013
80
I couldn't agree more.
Oct 26th 2013
81
RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)
Oct 26th 2013
85
Really good. A few shots that really struck me:
Oct 26th 2013
79
I was really truly taken aback by this:
Nov 12th 2013
107
      It really struck me as well
Dec 02nd 2013
125
oh man this is tough to sort through
Oct 26th 2013
86
At a loss for words right now
Oct 27th 2013
87
Not even the best tracking shot IMO.
Oct 27th 2013
88
      O man, that was so good too
Oct 27th 2013
89
      Yea, that was the best tracking shot in the film.
Oct 27th 2013
90
      that slave auction shot was so damn intense
Nov 03rd 2013
93
McQueen on Smiley and West, via Soundcloud
Oct 27th 2013
91
damn good interview
Nov 03rd 2013
94
every blk person in the theatre had tears in their eyes during The Scene
Nov 02nd 2013
92
arguably, one of the best movies of the year
Nov 03rd 2013
95
DP/30: Alfre Woodard
Nov 03rd 2013
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DP/30: Lupita Nyong'o
Nov 03rd 2013
97
DP/30: Steve McQueen and D.P. Sean Bobbit
Nov 03rd 2013
98
powerful film,mcqueen for the win!
Nov 03rd 2013
99
Impressive movie....
Nov 08th 2013
100
6.6 mill weekend....17 mill in the bank already
Nov 10th 2013
101
It's not hyperbole to call this a landmark of American cinema..
Nov 11th 2013
102
Having difficulting seperating the film from my emotional response to it
Nov 11th 2013
103
RE: Having difficulting seperating the film from my emotional response t...
Nov 11th 2013
104
      Good grief. I should've stopped reading at line 1.
Nov 11th 2013
105
      watch the film, then talk about it. or don't.
Nov 12th 2013
106
           LOL...people are so....behind....
Nov 12th 2013
108
           RE: watch the film, then talk about it. or don't.
Nov 12th 2013
110
                Perhaps the most wrong thing ever posted in PTP.
Nov 13th 2013
113
                An Oversimplification of Her Beauty
Nov 13th 2013
114
                Ooh, been meaning to see this.
Nov 13th 2013
115
                     please do
Nov 14th 2013
123
                Thank YOU!!! Frank Longo
Dec 27th 2013
138
                Let's remember this
Nov 13th 2013
119
                this is the dumbest post in here
Dec 27th 2013
133
a movie I think everyone should see, but i'm not sure at what age
Nov 12th 2013
109
RE: a movie I think everyone should see, but i'm not sure at what age
Nov 13th 2013
111
My take (spoilers)
Nov 13th 2013
112
RE:
Nov 13th 2013
116
      Nice List lol
Nov 13th 2013
117
           A Holocaust movie came out last weekend.
Nov 13th 2013
118
                Like I said
Nov 13th 2013
120
                     the "book thief" trailer played in front of 12 years
Nov 13th 2013
121
                          I don't think you understand
Nov 13th 2013
122
where's God? everywhere and nowhere.
Nov 17th 2013
124
loved the movie, i just wish (spoilers)
Dec 03rd 2013
126
RE: loved the movie, i just wish (spoilers)
Dec 04th 2013
127
it's a true story
Dec 04th 2013
128
a horror movie
Dec 04th 2013
129
RE: a horror movie
Dec 27th 2013
136
This is white folks slavery film.
Dec 04th 2013
130
RE: This is white folks slavery film.
Dec 27th 2013
135
ALL THIS
Jan 01st 2014
144
      RE: ALL THIS
Jan 02nd 2014
145
This is one of the dumbest posts made in PTP.
Dec 27th 2013
137
my god you people are morons
Dec 27th 2013
139
      damn lmao
Dec 28th 2013
140
this is one of the best movies ever made
Dec 27th 2013
132
up just because.
Dec 30th 2013
141
So powerful
Dec 30th 2013
142
      RE: So powerful
Dec 31st 2013
143
Wow....quite possibly the saddest movie I've ever seen.
Jan 29th 2014
146
Best movie of 2013 and maybe top 10 of the past decade
Jan 30th 2014
147
some of the commentary you'll get in discussing the film w/folx
Jan 30th 2014
148
Nothing groundbreaking, just a really good story executed really
Jan 31st 2014
149
Sequel discussion are happening!
Feb 21st 2014
150

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1. "cast and director are a lock."
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wtf is it about?

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2. "A free man who is captured and sold into slavery, I think..."
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From wiki:

12 Years a Slave is an upcoming historical drama film based on the autobiography Twelve Years a Slave by Solomon Northup, a free black man who was kidnapped and sold into slavery. The film is directed by Steve McQueen and written by McQueen and John Ridley. Chiwetel Ejiofor stars as Solomon Northup; Michael Fassbender also stars in the film. 12 Years a Slave is scheduled to be released on October 18, 2013.

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Years_a_Slave_%28film%29

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3. "Oh word? I REALLY don't see how this makes ANY $."
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4. "point being?"
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either way, Shame did $4 million on just 100 screens, and $18 million globally -- not bad for a NC-17 movie about a depressed sex addict.

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5. "Good point."
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hopefully he keeps this just as small.

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6. "Just because the budget's bigger and the focus is wider doesn't mean"
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that Steve's any less a talented director

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7. "You misunderstand me. I'm sure it'll be a good film."
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I'm just not sure it'll be good business. Which, in hollywood unfortunately, means we will see less of this kind of fare.

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8. "less than once or twice a decade?"
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how often do we get films about slavery? there's really nowhere to go but up, so i think mcqueen's on pretty safe ground there. as for your concern that there's no way it'll make money, somebody disagrees with you or else it wouldn't have gotten made. fox isn't running a charity. on a $20 mil budget with likely oscar buzz, i think it'll be okay.

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27. "RE: less than once or twice a decade?"
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>how often do we get films about slavery? there's really
>nowhere to go but up, so i think mcqueen's on pretty safe
>ground there. as for your concern that there's no way it'll
>make money, somebody disagrees with you or else it wouldn't
>have gotten made. fox isn't running a charity. on a $20 mil
>budget with likely oscar buzz, i think it'll be okay.

Right?! It will do well. I mean the buzz its getting from the film festivals? The fact that it's opening in serious contention for Oscars, the fact that nearly EVERYONE involved is being tapped for awards buzz, both creative (writing, acting) and technical (directing, costume design, etc.) (McQueen, John Ridley, Chiewetel Ejiofor-best actor, Fassbender-best supporting actor, newcomer Lupita Nyong'o - best supporting actress, etc.) and the push it's getting from 20th Century Fox/Fox Searchlight Pictures...

Yea, it's walking away with awards...I'd be shocked if it didn't.

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29. "I went all in on HSX. Regarding awards..."
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... Best Actor should be interesting, as Redford will be in heavy contention. I doubt McQueen wins Director, he doesn't play the political awards-season game. I think screenplay is maybe the safest bet to win (has a black man ever won Best Screenplay before? That could be a "storyline" that could help its odds).

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32. "RE: I went all in on HSX. Regarding awards..."
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>... Best Actor should be interesting, as Redford will be in
>heavy contention. I doubt McQueen wins Director, he doesn't
>play the political awards-season game. I think screenplay is
>maybe the safest bet to win (has a black man ever won Best
>Screenplay before? That could be a "storyline" that could help
>its odds).
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Geoffrey Fletcher won Best Adapted Screenplay for Precious.

So, that's not really an angle...if this was Best Original Screenplay, it would be.

But, since Fletcher already won, that would be a great "storyline" to go with.

Ridley returning to the WGA after going out in a blaze of glory as a ficore during the Writers Strike screams of "bad boy seeking redemption" *COULD* be a potential storyline...

Ridley going ficore: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-ridley8jan08,0,170282.story

even though he's since gone back and is a member of the WGA, I could see a few bringing this up....

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10. "RE: You misunderstand me. I'm sure it'll be a good film."
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>I'm just not sure it'll be good business. Which, in hollywood
>unfortunately, means we will see less of this kind of fare.

good business?

this is an oscar bait prestige film that will MAKE it's money back overseas...

WE won't see *THIS* kind of film OFTEN if at all.

slavery? with a black man in the lead? addressing a point in american history that people STILL don't want to talk about to this day? that many people DENY the SEVERITY of and long reach IMPACT on this country?

yea, New Line, Paramount, Universal and Warner Bros. put these films out WEEKLY.

Man, stop.

it will make it's money because because MOST of the cast are (Pitt) or are becoming (Fassbender, Ejiofor, etc.) solid and bankable openers for films overseas.

the movie will make a profit. why wouldn't it?

the bigger question is are you going to show up and see it?

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11. "RE: You misunderstand me. I'm sure it'll be a good film."
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>I'm just not sure it'll be good business. Which, in hollywood
>unfortunately, means we will see less of this kind of fare.


and most hollywood movies aren't good business (After Earth, John Carter anyone?) in theory.

movies aren't, save for the few exceptions, making big money in the states. which is why studios WATCH FOR and RELY ON international grosses to make their money back nowadays.

so i'm really not getting why 12 Years A Slave isn't "good business" when it's actually GREAT business.

And Fox Searchlight, New Regency Pictures, Plan B(Pitt's production company) and Summit Entertainment are all involved with putting this out?

Trust, it makes it's money back. all of the above companies are skilled at putting out solid oscar bait films that make their money back and then some.

this one will make it's money back.

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9. "Rumor is test screenings have went really really well"
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Expect a ton of nominations. Between this and that new Ridley Scott flick, Fassbender is going to have a huge year.

  

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12. "I will be surprised if this is anything but great"
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McQueen is a phenomenal director and the cast is SOLID

  

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13. "First trailer and poster"
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=106497

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15. "Yes"
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Digging the poster as well

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16. "Wow, great fucking trailer. McQueen's about to make that leap."
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Also, I don't give a fuck about the Oscars but give Chiwetel the goddamned Oscar right now.

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17. "That's some cast"
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18. "WOW. "
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I mean, the trailer doesn't feel like a Steve McQueen film, feels more 'mainstream' but I bet the film will be great. Can not wait.

  

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20. "Am I the only one who thinks Brad Pitt looks out of place in this?"
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21. "Yes"
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22. "Nope, the second I saw him it threw me out of the trailer for a bit."
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14. "OSCAR!!!!"
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19. "Steve Muthaf-in Mcqueen ,dope trailer!"
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24. "Telluride screening got raves, calling Ejiofor a lock."
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Certainly for a nom and maybe for a win.

Saying it's McQueen's best movie in terms of storytelling and among the great slavery films ever if not at the top of the pile.

Yeah. This'll be a big one, folks.

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25. "absolutely not surprised"
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but sheesh i'm not comfortable with that type of talk
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26. "i'm in of course"
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might need to see the butler before to do comparisons


lol
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28. "At least you didn't say Django"
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31. "ah but you did"
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35. "I saw the trailer for this one when we saw The Butler"
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It startled me to see that McQueen directed. Although when I saw Fassbender was in it, I was relieved -- at least McQueen isn't going TOO far afield. But this seems a little uh different from his usual fare.

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82. "i was excited"
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he is an auteur
and i had every confidence that his vision on this would play out fantastically

i just saw it
and it did he definitely did it
i'm going to be emotional for a min on this
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30. "CANNOT WAIT."
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really looking forward to this


does it even matter?

  

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33. "finally Ejiofor getting a prominent lead role"
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few months back I made a post about why this dude doesn't get any love in Hollywood.

best response was because no one can pronounce dude's name

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34. "A Film 'Really' About Slavery With No Apologies--review by Stephane Dunn"
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http://newblackman.blogspot.com/

12 Years A Slave: A Film 'Really' About Slavery With No Apologies
by Stephane Dunn | NewBlackMan (in Exile)


There are folk who don’t watch or like movies period – a thing a movie fanatic like myself cannot comprehend. Others love movies but never, ever go out to the theatre to see them. My own Mama is one. Strangers you can’t make behave , pricey tickets, and seven dollar plus popcorn, etcetera, etcetera just doesn’t make sense in the age of the advanced remote control, 42’ plus plasma TVs, and DVR. However, every now and then a movie should come along that compels even the staunchest movies-at-home-body to drive to a movie theatre, sit with the anonymous throng, and be counted with the box office receipts. This fall, there’s a movie that should demand that exceptional status: 12 Years a Slave. It does so much right with such faithfulness to keeping it real and raw, that you will not be able to look away though you’ll want to.

The film is based on the once famous account, Twelve Years a Slave: Narrative of Solomon Northrop, a free black New Yorker, who in 1841 is kidnapped and enslaved for twelve brutal years. It’s worth reading for the first time or again before or after seeing the movie. 12 Years a Slave, directed by Steve McQueen (Shame) and penned by John Ridley, is actually one of the very few narrative films , ever made in American motion picture history that’s actually about slavery.

I don’t mean that it's simply set during the historical period of the Civil War and slavery (Cold Mountain) or about the political issue of slavery with nary a nod to black activists, the voices of the enslaved population or a glimpse of at least Frederick Douglass (Spielberg’s recent Lincoln), nor does it pretend to be a historical drama about black slaves’ struggle against slavery, but instead spends more time in a hothouse featuring morally conflicted, well-meaning white folk struggling with slavery or fighting for slaves in an exceptional situation (Amistad). It also ain’t a fantastical drama that offers an ex-slave turned cowboy killing all the white folk then doing a jig on a horse and riding off with a damsel in distress to God knows where (Django).

It is, however, a great story interpreted unflinchingly and courageously by Mr. McQueen and the cast as well, which includes Chiwetel Ejiofor as Northrop, Paul Giamatti, Sarah Paulson, Paul Dano, and Alfre Woodward . Brad Pitt, the traveling Canadian carpenter who unsurprisingly plays Bass, the good guy key to the end of Northrop’s enslavement, will inevitably be brought up a lot in media attention on the movie despite his limited time on-screen. It’s rarely ever a bad thing to have one of earth’s biggest Hollywood actors and famous faces in a film, but 12 Years doesn't need big celebrity names or high profile faces. It can stand on the strength of its parts and the sum – a film that will not go down easily and we won’t be forgetting soon.

Quentin Tarantino proudly touted Django as a rare film about slavery that was entertaining and not a history lesson or preachy, to paraphrase him. That was his answer to why films about slavery never fare too well . Truthfully, slavery isn’t a popular topic in Hollywood or in American culture period. It’s messy, traumatic, invokes deep-seated racial divides, denial, defensiveness and so on. There is a stunning lack of films on the subject that have actually gotten big studio support and nation wide releases let alone helmed by black directors, written by black writers, or starring black actors. In a nation that can endure a great deal of blood and gore at the movies, the psychic and physical brutality of slavery has been the epitome of the cliché - too hot to handle despite it being the most significant, long chapter in American history. It’s not high profile racial tragedies that should inspire sustained, critical public dialogue on the realities of slavery and its continuing complex legacy in the American psyche—films like 12 Years a Slave should do that.

12 Years a Slave goes into that psychic and physical brutality with no apologies and apparently no fear that Americans won’t go there with it. We are not treated to romantic reprieves from the raw realities of human beings treated as chattel with no humanity. One of the film’s great challenges is to convey the temporal nature of those twelve years that Northrup is a slave and more - the endlessness of slave life – the 365 days-a-year-plus-another-and-another into seeming infinity from generation to generation that black slaves endured. The film moves quickly from his rather exceptional life as a respected free man of color, whose expert carpentry and music support his wife, son, and daughter (Oscar nominated Quvenzhané Wallis) to his shocking kidnapping by two well-honed white confidence men and then to his life as a slave in the deep south, trying unsuccessfully, often, to play the dumb, passive ‘nigger’ he is not and mask his real identity.

The effort at suggesting those long, long twelve years and the physical and psychological toll it takes on Northrop doesn’t succeed altogether throughout the depiction of his enslavement but does poignantly when, at the end, Northrop is ultimately reunited with a family that he can hardly recognize, including a now, grown, married daughter with a husband and a baby. The film succeeds more strongly in suggesting the unyielding, life-time kind of forever that slavery was through the other slaves, and in particular two slave women, Patsy and Eliza, played respectively by the phenomenal, Lupito Nyong’o, and Adepero Oduye.

This is where the film is most raw and unrelenting as it dares to go where few
Oduye’s Eliza won’t stop crying, literally, after her children are sold from her, even after everyone, including Solomon and the other slaves, master and mistress, can’t stand the crying any longer. Allowing the crying to go on and on so it really becomes unbearable, means that the totally disempowered Eliza doesn’t have to merely go silent or disappear within herself or immediately commit suicide but to resolutely allow no one a break from her justifiable suffering, from her endless mother’s tears, is really a stunning move. While the very nature of slavery denies her humanity and maternal identity, she won’t mask to get along, to be safe, or avoid punishment or being sold yet again.

But it’s Nyong’o’s Patsy, who outworks all picking cotton, who strips bare any notion that slavery wasn’t what it was – an atrocity of epic proportions. Through the close-ups of Pasty, McQueen lays open the unyielding sexual violence that black slave women were subject too. Patsy’s body is not an object of affection or sexual desire. Her white slave master becomes more than the expected archetypal evil master, but a personification of all the nameless horror, trauma, and brutality that slavery embodied. Patsy is subjected to continuous horrific beatings and savage rapes over and over; Solomon’s twelve years and the tragic reality of the other slaves’ lifetime enslavement is etched onto Patsy’s brutalized body.

Northrop’s real life story doesn’t end when he is indeed rescued from the plantation by a northern attorney friend but extends to court battles with his kidnappers. At the end of the film, Northrup is saved from spending the rest of his life in slavery, but it’s not a moment of triumph that falls into a sentimental representation of his survival. Instead, it is those left in the fields in the hot southern sun and in the house within literal reach of the mistress’s or massa’s angry boot, and beautiful, strong, vulnerable Patsy, face, body, and spirit destroyed by unrelenting brutal violations that linger. 12 Years a Slave is decidedly not Django and not slavery light. It shouldn’t have to be. I dare you, go out and see it.

October 2013 release
133 minutes


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Stephane Dunn, PhD, is a writer who directs the Cinema, Television, & Emerging Media Studies program at Morehouse College. She teaches film, creative writing, and literature. She is the author of the 2008 book, Baad Bitches & Sassy Supermamas : Black Power Action Films (U of Illinois Press). Her writings have appeared in Ms., The Chronicle of Higher Education, TheRoot.com, AJC, CNN.com, and Best African American Essays, among others. Her recent work includes the Bronze Lens-Georgia Lottery Lights, Camera Georgia winning short film Fight for Hope and book chapters exploring representation in Tyler Perry's films.



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36. "2nd best movie of the year. Please see this. Reposting my post from GD"
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Reposting my post from GD:

This is some shit I never wanna watch again.

With that said we gotta start supporting real black filmmakers such as Ryan Coogler and Steve McQueen (If you haven't seem McQueen's "Hunger" and "Shame", the fuck is wrong with you? Seek those out).

This is the 2nd best movie I've seen so far this year. "Gravity" is number one.

There's an 8 minute unbroken shot in this film near the end of the movie that'll stay with me till the day I die due to the sheer intensity and vileness. It's the most horrific scene I've seen in a movie not named a "A Serbian Film".

But, this needs to shown in classrooms. To me, this seems like the most accurate depiction of slavery in moving pictures. You go on this journey with Solomon Northrop, and just like Solomon, this is an experience you'll never forget. Ever.

As I was talking to my colleagues today after the film, one of them said that this is THE movie on slavery, just as "Schindler's List" was THE movie on The Holocaust.

I've haven't felt so many different emotions watching a movie ever. Add to that that once this was finished, my fellow blacks held our head high, while ALL the white people cried for 4 minutes afterwards.

What really fucked me up is that Steve McQueen said that Solomon's book was published a year before Uncle Tom's Cabin came through and crushed the buildings. His story autobiographical book "Twelve Years A Slave" was best seller and the shit was all but forgotten when UTC dropped. McQueen says he mission was to make a slavery film that can show what it truly was like to be a slave and to have the book be popularized. Mission accomplished.

Shit that really got to me

*SPOILERS*

- The fact that when Solomon was being lynched no one helped him. What's even more fucked up is Solomon (in the book according to McQueen) said had they moved him down the branch a few more inches, he would've gladly done a few more years of servitude.

-When Lupita Nyong'o's character, Patsey, came to Solomon begging for Solomon to kill her got to me. Actually everything that happened to Patsey got to me. Most tragic character in the film.

*END SPOILERS*

-Michael Fassbender, Paul Dano, Paul Giamatti, and Sarah Paulson play the most vile people I've ever hated on film in a long, long time. Ralph Finnes' character Amon Tobin in "Schindler's List" is evil incarnate resurrected in Fassbender's Edwin Epps.

I know motherfuckers are gonna make pleas that Benedict Cumberbatch's William Ford is a decent man, but fuck that. That dude was slaver. Adepero Oduye's Eliza is right.

My only problem with movie is fucking Hans Zimmer. His score was overbearing at points in the movie where it seemed he tried to make himself a star. Sound design in this was excellent by the way.

But yea, you motherfuckers need to see this and Gravity. These movies are experiences that leave you shaken in different ways. And not good ways either. Just like the characters in both you'll never be the same.

Frutivale Station and this better be getting some burn this season.

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37. "I am soo hype to see this but Fassy fine ass pissed me all the way"
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off w/ an interview he gave about how he thought Edwin Epps was in love w/ Patsey & a victim of the time...I was almost like: nope, can't support this shit!!...you & Dunn's reviewS brought me back in tho, so thx LoL


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38. "Oh damn!!! I didn't know he said that."
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And no it wasn't love. It was obsession and power over Patsey. She was a prize to him.

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44. "RE: I am soo hype to see this but Fassy fine ass pissed me all the way"
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>off w/ an interview he gave about how he thought Edwin Epps
>was in love w/ Patsey & a victim of the time...I was almost
>like: nope, can't support this shit!!...you & Dunn's reviewS
>brought me back in tho, so thx LoL
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um, he's been saying that or something similar to that in interviews.

i haven't seen the film so I can't fully comment on that just yet.

but, yea that's problematic. just on surface level alone...

but he's an actor and he needs to find the humanity in the character he plays so....yea.

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51. "He played the role. He had to find the humanity"
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in Epps in order to play him convincingly. He probably went too deep in the character to see him the way we do. So I'm not tripping over that statement.

fuck you.

  

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43. "saw it last night"
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and it just left me numb and not really wanting
to be around people after viewing it.

between the hanging scence, the patsey scenes, and
everything in between, i just can't right now.


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52. "Right today, this is my Best Picture of the year."
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39. "12 years a slave : best picture lock?"
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Is 12 Years a Slave Really a Best Picture Lock?
Race and the rush to call the 2013 Oscars
By Mark Harris on September 12, 2013

Until last week, I was very excited about returning to Grantland as your Oscar-season correspondent after a year off, and looking forward to examining the Academy Awards race from every angle for the next six months. But then I went on the Internet looking for coverage of the Toronto Film Festival, and found out that I'm too late — the race is over. "I've just seen what will surely be this year's Best Picture winner, and it's 12 Years a Slave," wrote one of my amiable colleagues, Vulture's Oscar guy Kyle Buchanan. Inexplicably worried that that sentence might make him sound like some kind of fence-sitting wuss, he added, "the fact that there's still any room for debate at all means that Oscar bloggers were high."

Well … damn it! I thought we had several months to see all of the actual movies, but apparently that's just fuzzyheadedness caused by residual THC. Buchanan's strong sentiments were echoed in only slightly less stentorian fashion by much of the rest of the Oscarati, leading the Guardian's Catherine Shoard to report that "the notion that 12 Years a Slave won't win the best picture Oscar seems absurd to those who've seen it."

It's no longer news that fall film festivals in Toronto, Venice, and Telluride function in part as awards-season launching pads; the practice is largely sanctioned and financed by the distributors who provide hot-ticket movies, and tacitly encouraged by the festivals themselves. However, even aside from the disservice to the movie, an early line-in-the-sand awards declaration can sometimes lead to months of defensive posturing ("Well, the Scorsese is good, but I hold to my earlier contention that … "). It also runs the risk of turning handicappers into advocates not just for their own favorite movies but for their own early calls. The recent compulsion to anoint a Best Picture favorite around Labor Day, a full 17 weeks before the end of the eligibility period for movies, represents the convergence of several factors: A shorter pre-nomination Oscar calendar, a recent run of winners the intense hype for which started at Toronto and Telluride (Argo launched at both), and an infection of festival coverage by web-driven "First!" culture. In Oscar talk as in all things, Twitter in particular rewards the quick, the loud, and the unequivocal, and the sight of men (and it's mostly men) racing to turn on their phones, thumbs a-twitching, after the end of a press screening almost always signals an impending stampede toward overstatement.

But it's worth asking why — aside from its reported excellence — 12 Years a Slave rather than some other movie is the beneficiary of this year's hasty coronation. The answer may not be that buzz moves quickly, but that Hollywood moves slowly. The thirst to wrap up 2013's Academy Awards narrative before it has even started with a film that tears into the history of slavery in America may represent, at long last, the Obama Effect rippling all the way to the Dolby Theatre. And I don't mean the effect of his reelection. I mean Obama 2008.

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Movies take a long time — what often seems an insanely long time — to make. We like to imagine that the films to which we respond most passionately are those that illuminate our moment, but when they do, it's usually by luck or by prescience. What "timely" movies actually reflect is the passion for a subject that a writer, director, or producer had two to five years earlier, which is about what it takes for a serious, Oscar-friendly film to evolve from conception to release. (Last year's two most nominated pictures, Lincoln* and Life of Pi, each took a decade.) It has been five and a half years since then-senator Obama, in the middle of his 2008 primary fight, called for a "national conversation about race" in one of his first widely seen speeches. But when he brought up the idea, most people didn't know where to begin.

(* Full disclosure: I took last year off from writing about the Oscars because I am married to the guy who wrote Lincoln and I believed that it would be impossible to cover the awards season without readers questioning my objectivity. Fuller disclosure: I had no objectivity.)

That included people in Hollywood, which generally treats history with triumphalism, race with trepidation, and African American moviegoers as a niche that Tyler Perry will continue to take care of. So it's remarkable that the industry managed to respond at all. In terms of the Oscars, the cinematic version of the national conversation began a year later, in the fall of 2009, with the unexpected mainstream success of Precious (to which the Weinstein Company affixed the names of Perry and of Oprah Winfrey as if they were lucky charms, which in many ways they were). In 2010, DreamWorks bought the rights to the surprise best seller The Help and put it on the fast track to production; one summer later, the movie became a crossover smash. Last year brought the Sundance breakthrough Beasts of the Southern Wild as well as Hollywood's first two major treatments of the Civil War era and the subject of slavery in many years, Lincoln and Django Unchained, which ended 2012 with commentators attempting to nudge them into unlikely historical dialogue with one another.

All five of those movies outperformed expectations at the box office, and all five received Best Picture nominations. None of them won the big prize, but cumulatively, they have created a sense that perhaps the Oscars are building to something — and maybe what they're building to is this moment.

This spring saw the success of the Jackie Robinson biopic 42; the biggest success out of January's Sundance Film Festival has been the young writer-director Ryan Coogler's Fruitvale Station; and Lee Daniels' The Butler is the only movie of 2013 to have topped the box office for three consecutive weeks. Let's pause to acknowledge, for a moment, that rather remarkable run of eight successful movies in 24 months. Yes, some of the films are deeply flawed, but all of them are at least worth arguing over, and for an industry so averse to touching anything real that it has recently ceded niches like "adult" and "serious" and "complicated" to cable television, this sustained big-screen attempt to examine a painful subject from multiple angles is without recent precedent. And now comes 12 Years a Slave, which opens October 18 and was, according to The Hollywood Reporter, greeted with "shock and awe" upon its world premiere in Telluride.

I've written before about the importance of awards-season narratives in the Oscar contest — fairy tales to which the perfect ending is the bestowal of a statuette. This year, the narrative about race has gotten very loud, very early. It's a story line with a heavy dose of "The time has come" (to quote Barbra Streisand when she presented the award for Best Director to Kathryn Bigelow). A win for 12 Years a Slave, which was directed by a black Englishman and written by an African American, would not only make Oscar history but also satisfy a longstanding Academy tradition; handing it the top prize would be somewhat akin to belatedly recognizing an actress who has come close several times in the last few years only to be denied. In addition, after repeatedly rewarding light, quasi-inspirational fare from abroad like Slumdog Millionaire, The King's Speech, and The Artist, a Best Picture win might amount to an assertion that Academy voters can occasionally bestir themselves to honor material that is tough, unflinching, and intrinsically American in its content (the Academy is almost always looking to correct for something it vaguely senses it has recently done wrong).

12 Years a Slave also connects deeply to Academy history in other ways. Like Best Picture winners ranging from 1947's Gentleman's Agreement to 1967's In the Heat of the Night to 1993's Schindler's List, the movie chooses to explore a moral evil by casting an outsider into its midst — in this case Solomon Northup (Chiwetel Ejiofor), a freeborn black man in the North who was kidnapped and then enslaved and then, well, no spoilers, but, you know, keep your eye on what goes down in year 13! An Academy Award for 12 Years would be something new, but it would also serve as a culmination of sorts, and man, do Oscar voters ever love culminating.

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This might be a good time to mention a few things: (1) It's September, for God's sake. (2) I haven't seen 12 Years a Slave. (3) You haven't seen 12 Years a Slave. (4) Oscar observers are not the same as critics, the paying public, or Academy members, all of whose verdicts will be more important to the fate of the movie than the thoughts of anybody who's talking about it today, and as of this writing, most of the people who will matter the most cannot spell Chiwetel Ejiofor without Google. (5) This whole discussion has not really been about the content or quality of 12 Years a Slave at all (when it opens, we can have a real conversation). All of which is to say that one should take shouty pronunciamentos delivered in a sweaty swivet after an emotional screening with a big grain of salt. (I made one once, about Antwone Fisher. I'm still living it down.) It's a long road to the Oscars, and even if 12 Years a Slave ends up crossing the finish line first, no movie makes it from September to February without hitting some speed bumps — other movies, backlash, op-ed page harrumphing, hype fatigue.

As deserving a winner (if it wins) as 12 Years a Slave may end up being, excessive or premature advocacy for this particular happy ending should discomfort us all. Deciding to give a movie an Academy Award as a way of "taking care of" something can be a way of exonerating yourself from thinking about whatever actual issues you imagine you're taking care of. (As Oscar host Jon Stewart famously said in 2006 after a montage of earnest scenes from Hollywood social-relevance dramas, " … and none of those things were ever problems again.") Beware the perfume of self-congratulation that wafts through this particular awards narrative, and beware any narrative that sells a movie as an excellent symbolic choice while papering over its specific merits, quirks, and idiosyncrasies.

There are people who believe 12 Years a Slave is the movie that should win Best Picture (I'd argue that that's an absurd thought until we've seen the whole field, but enthusiasm is enthusiasm). However, as the season progresses, there will also be people who think 12 Years a Slave is the kind of movie that should win Best Picture. Watch out for them; they are up to no good; they will be the same people who think that 12 Years gives them permission not to think too much about Fruitvale Station or The Butler. Both of those movies are attempting to travel different, well-established roads to nominations — Fruitvale Station is trying to follow Beasts of the Southern Wild as this year's artisanal Sundance sensation, and The Butler, as fascinatingly jagged and oddball as it is, also works on enough traditional levels to walk an honorable old Oscar campaign path labeled The Movie Your Parents Like More Than You Do. The problem with settling too soon on a "year of the black movie" Oscar narrative is that it erodes distinctions within a set of films whose power lies in how unique each one is; it's a diminishment disguised as a celebration. Proceed with caution.

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40. "As bold, brutal, and beautiful as advertised. Believe the hype."
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Got-DAMN, what an outstanding film

Chiwetel, Lupita Nyong'o, Fassbender, shit, even Sarah Paulson could all be going to the Oscars, along with Steve McQueen, John Ridley, Sean Bobbitt, Patricia Norris (costume design), and our mans Hans Zimmer

It's unflinching, "realistic," and uncompromising... until late in the 3rd act, when a certain deus ex machina/film producer shows up. But I didn't mind that one bit... and I'm sure the more I think about it, the more certain plot points will seem to not make sense... anyone read the book, tho?

Excellent, excellent film. Kudos all around.

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41. "RE: As bold, brutal, and beautiful as advertised. Believe the hype."
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>Got-DAMN, what an outstanding film
>
>Chiwetel, Lupita Nyong'o, Fassbender, shit, even Sarah Paulson
>could all be going to the Oscars, along with Steve McQueen,
>John Ridley, Sean Bobbitt, Patricia Norris (costume design),
>and our mans Hans Zimmer

YES!

>
>It's unflinching, "realistic," and uncompromising... until
>late in the 3rd act, when a certain deus ex machina/film
>producer shows up. But I didn't mind that one bit... and I'm
>sure the more I think about it, the more certain plot points
>will seem to not make sense... anyone read the book, tho?

read it in college, one for a class and a few times on my own. thought was so unbelievably harrowing and struggled to believe it.

but, i knew it was true.

wild to see Solomon's story made into a film....

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42. "I can't wait to see it but I'm already cringing at..."
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... the "It's too overwhelming" backlash from some of the reviews.

  

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45. "Just hoping Ejiofor don't go full Toby"
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His career as we know it may be over if he does. At least Jamie had some redeeming heroic value.

Save for the award, it's not gonna do much for future roles. see Levar Burton

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46. "RE: Just hoping Ejiofor don't go full Toby"
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>His career as we know it may be over if he does. At least
>Jamie had some redeeming heroic value.
>

I think Ejiofor will be fine. He's definitely been smart about the roles he takes and it seems like, based on the interviews he's given for this movie, he's not going there at all.

>Save for the award, it's not gonna do much for future roles.
>see Levar Burton

Levar? well, yea he never won an Emmy or Golden Globe but the film definitely helped his career, albeit at a more slower, yet steadier pace...

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47. "yeah, the hype/praise, it's real and deserved"
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Second best movie of the year.

  

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48. "Excellent. One of the few films on slavery that doesn't pull ANY punche..."
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Steve McQueen did what so few filmmakers have done when doing a story about the atrocities of slavery and that time period.

Too many times, filmmakers have danced around the horrors and insidious acts done to slaves and
always soften the way we looked at non-black characters by making one or two characters play the "monster".
Because of that, audience looks at those characters as the "bad guys" and everyone else as products of their environment or situation.

I love the way McQueen holds his shots in his films.
It either makes one feel uncomfortable or totally feel what the character is feeling at the time.

Tremendous cast and acting, especially Fassbender, Ejiofar, Paulson, Lupita Nyong'o and Adepero Oduye.

I hope these guys get noms.
Maybe I'm high off of just now seeing it, but I think its a great film.

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49. "A masterpiece."
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Quite simply one of the greatest films I have ever seen. I did not see this coming from Mcqueen. He was able to incorporate his long shots/visual artistry with a conventional story and it works perfectly.

I was speechless afterwards. This is one for the ages. They should make a new category for the Oscars called 'Best everything'.

  

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54. "Spoilers....."
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The way that Mcqueen incorporated his Haneke-like long shots was really impressive. When I watched "Hunger"....I can remember a couple times saying to myself 'What am I supposed to be thinking right now?' Something I never asked during 'Cache' and didn't ask during '12 Days...' neither.

For example...the scene when the protaganist is struggling to touch his toes to the ground while left hanging. Firstly, the extended shot conveys the sense of time that he must endure so there is a practical purpose in extending the shot. We watch him slowly tip toe in circles so as not to dig a hole in the mud with his feet by which he would not be able to stay high enough to survive. But it's also time for the viewer to reflect on the change that he's forced to make. Earlier in the movie he says 'I don't want to survive, I want to live'. And that's the part of him that is forced to change. He's forced into survival mode. Leaving behind principles and will. He no longer has a 'life'....he has only survival. So the image of him methodically stepping in circles to redistribute the mud evenly symbolizes what his life has been reduced to. Survival from one second to the next. For me, Mcqueen allots the perfect amount of time for the viewer to think about this.

And I think that is the central theme in this movie. The distinction between survival and life. Survival has no principles, no will, no choices/decisions, no identity.

  

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60. "Nice analysis. I loved that shot and scene."
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62. "Thanks."
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I'm a little disappointed there's not more analysis in this thread. I need to find some 'book-club' kinda convo about this film.

I was thinking to myself how the central theme I proposed...the distinction between survival and life is dependant on this specific story. This theme couldn't really be carried by a story about someone born into slavery. The fact that Solomon had a 'life', an indentity.....before being kidnapped is necessary for this. You couldn't explore this theme without that. And Solomon knows this differentiates himself from the other slaves.

  

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63. "Only a handful of us have seen the movie to this point. Give it time."
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And those who HAVE seen it are most likely STUNNED at: a. how GREAT it was; and b. how BRUTAL it was, and still have to let it marinate a bit... lol

>I'm a little disappointed there's not more analysis in this
>thread. I need to find some 'book-club' kinda convo about
>this film.

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83. "yep marinating"
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just finished seeing

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71. "it's also a great plot device to allow the audience who is "
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largely unfamiliar with reality of slavery identify with the brutality black people experienced.

Solomon was a Spielberg film middle class suburbanite...who went to work one day and woke up enslaved. The film wouldn't have worked for most people if he was (a) fresh from Africa, or (b) born into slavery. Too easy to put him at arms length in those scenarios.

  

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72. "True."
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Absolutely. It really opens up much more of the story to the audience. As you say....we can relate to Solomon. Much tougher to relate to Patsy.

  

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50. "WOW. "
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Give everybody an Oscar. All of them.

fuck you.

  

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53. "(SPOILER) So, looking at the poster for the movie, which is dope, and"
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thinking about the song that Paul Dano sang in the movie, am I wrong/reaching in order to make a connection between the two?

Just a random thought

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55. "It made me love Django Unchained even more."
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fuck you.

  

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56. "because they both can exist. "
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psst!

  

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58. "more b/c DU gave me everything i want in a slave movie."
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DU was a near-perfect slave revenge fantasy.

12 Yrs is a near-perfect historically-accurate (as far as i know) slave drama.

fuck you.

  

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>DU was a near-perfect slave revenge fantasy.

LOL

  

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131. "yup. both are needed."
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134. "agreed"
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57. "Big applause. I'm still reflecting on the experience. Job well done"
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psst!

  

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59. "seems like one of these instances where the film accurately follows"
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the original story

plan to check out soon

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61. "It does...."
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but it's greatness is the balance it finds between telling the story and still conveying an artistic/cognitive element as well. There IS work to do for the viewer. You can't just let it roll over you like many docu-dramas/bio-pics. It's not just a 'story' or an account. There is symbolism, beauty, poetry....all that artsy stuff.

  

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64. "Interesting film. Certainly great, but interesting"
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First off, I love the fact that this movie is the way that it is. It's brutal, real, not a shred of romantic sentiment. The black people were PEOPLE, not one note stiff-upper lip caricatures of dignity in the face of cruelty we see in films "about" race, nor were they the empty bullshit we saw in Django. They were people, with lives, and language (no bullshit over-exaggerated broken English, either!).

Loved Loved LOVED the fact the rapes and abuse of black women was played straight. No Jane Austen in a cotton field, star-crossed lovers bullshit. Str8 up sadism, abuse and rape. The scene when the black men return from being lent out, and Epps is waiting in the lawn with his night clothes on HOLDING THE HAND OF A LITTLE BLACK GIRL who he then picks up and promises to give candy was...some shit.

What's kinda fascinating about the film is all the little touches that I think may get overlooked simply from the shock of seeing a slavery movie that's about the black people for a change. This is a film of psychological warfare, terrorism, survivors psychosis, coping mechanisms, the history of this country and the role of black people in it, the idea of southern chivalry and womanhood...honestly, it's a great great discussion piece about slavery, and should be viewed by middle/high school students in the Americas.

I really dug it, but I wonder if the film will be really engaged, critically and thematically?

  

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65. "'it couldn't be me'"
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^ i kept coming back to that.

i am still convinced i'd have been one of those slaves who starved himself to death in protest. partly in protest and partly to escape, of course. i doubt i could've held out hope of being reunited w/my family like Solomon seemed to have. but then again, i don't have a family like his to live for either. if i did i may feel differently about this. but i think i'd feel like Patsy - that the 'life' of a slave is no life and i'd rather not live it. i also agree that subsistence living or survival is not LIVING and if i can't live i'd rather die. i wouldn't be interested in survival.

i feel the exact same way about prison. i would starve myself in prison rather than survive w/o my liberty. especially if it was clear to me that i wouldn't be released w/in what i'd consider a reasonable amount of time.

give me liberty or give me death. and if you won't give it to me i'll make it myself.

fuck you.

  

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67. "RE: 'it couldn't be me'"
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But the way you're describing yourself is exactly what Solomon thought about himself too. During the boatride he's struggling with the same thing you're talking about. He'd rather risk the chance of death than be reduced to only surviving ('I don't want to survive, I want to live') and he suggests that they have a go at freeing themselves. I think that's kinda central to the movie's theme....underneath our humanity/social identity, there is an 'animal' that will take over to survive by any means necessary.

  

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68. "He never considered suicide."
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It would've been all I thought about. I'd have been more like Patsy than Solomonon that score. She begged for death. He didn't.

My neck in that noose? I left my legs. Fuck it. He stayed on his toes.

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69. "The NY Times has published a curriculum for the book and film"
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There's a link to it on the Fox Searchlight website

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70. "the mistress shaw/solomon/patsy"
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scene was flames.




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73. "RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)"
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I agree with the review at Slant, which mentions, in part, that:

"The film, which really only hints at the length of Solomon's ordeal in the old-age makeup a customarily nuanced Ejiofor dons in the last scene, moves from one stately, platitude-rich set piece to the next, featuring characters who enter and exit their scenes after having unimaginatively illuminated a different facet of the slave narrative. There's never a sense of how these people, by and large distractingly (though not unimpressively) played by a who's who of actors, live their private lives in between the very hectoring scenes that spotlight their public role in the history of slavery, and the effect is off-puttingly manufactured."

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/12-years-a-slave

--I couldn't connect to Solomon.
--In fact, I didn't really like Solomon or even empathize with him.
--I thought the movie stirred trite, stereotypical, emotions about slavery. It felt cheap. Every stock character and "symbol" was in the movie, too: lynchings, mean master, working in fields, the whip, nasty overseers, slaves humming, cotton, dancing, a fiddler, illicit and evil relationships between masters and slaves, the cruel Missus, oh the injustice of it all...on and on.

The film looked beautiful and had creative moments.

What bothered me...really bothered me...

Solomon, for a majority of the film, inhabited a space on screen with an implicit attitude that he was "above" slavery. Not meant for it. I was bothered by what seemed to be an invisible portrayal and commentary made about the inherent character and "humanity" of Solomon, born-free, and the inherent character and "humanity" of born-slaves (who seemed to be so much more "emotional" than Solomon, a "thinker" and therefore, somehow, the equal or better of his white counterparts). Solomon was the only Black on the plantation with intellectual gifts, educated or not. The exceptional Negro. And of course, that kind of man should be free, right? He has so much to contribute to society! Or is it that his freedom made him so exceptional? Either question irks me.

Solomon's attitude and towards Whites was baffling to me. Also. Mind-blowingly depressing: the lack of bonding among slaves in the film or sense of community and family. No one seemed to know or care for anyone. Just bodies on the plantation. Not surprisingly, I had problems with the opening sexual scene of the movie. In a sense, it encapsulated, to me, everything wrong with the film.

I don't know. I kept picking up, from Solomon: "I'm not one of you." You meaning: slaves. It's as if Solomon unplugged, all the way, except in extreme cases, from those around him. When people are traumatized, they check out. But it's as if film-Solomon could only look at "them" as a free man and not as a Black man (except when the spiritual "moved" him at a funeral). But at that point, he's resigned to this "idea" of what it means to be a slave and it seems as if it's connected to being Black, in a negative way. That scene had slight overtones, to me, with the episode of the Boondocks when Ruckus gets the news from a DNA test that he's Black...and gets upset and says things like: "Oh I'm Black now. I guess I have to do things like not read and play video games now."

Maybe I'm being too sensitive or need to give the movie another try. But I didn't like the ways that Solomon passed...judgment, I guess. I think this made the ways that folks "pitied" the slaves in the theater I saw the movie in, cheap.

Free first. Black second. God forbid he be both.

I felt like a was watching a "post-racialized" Black man make his way through slavery.


  

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74. "i dunno that the slaves had a sense of shared Black identity."
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at least, i dunno that their sense of black identity, if they had one, is like ours. especially considering we are post-BCRM blacks. we are living in the Black Is Beautiful era. we are living in the Pan-African era. those ideas weren't in the air back then as far as i know. or they weren't to the extent that they are now.

**SPOILERS**


i saw that Solomon was torn about having to leave Patsy behind after the sheriff came for him. but i knew as i suspect he knew that he couldn't do much for her - in that moment or much later. he would've had to purchase her freedom. he had a wife and a family still - he hoped. he had to think of them and himself first - i understood why he couldn't rescue Patsy. or any of the others.

fuck you.

  

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78. "Agreed 100%."
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>i saw that Solomon was torn about having to leave Patsy behind
>after the sheriff came for him. but i knew as i suspect he
>knew that he couldn't do much for her - in that moment or much
>later. he would've had to purchase her freedom. he had a
>wife and a family still - he hoped. he had to think of them
>and himself first - i understood why he couldn't rescue Patsy.
> or any of the others.

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75. "I took Solomon's affect as a stylistic choice to serve a couple"
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of purposes.

1)he's basically a modern everyman put into slavery. He is the tool for modern (let's be real, white) audiences to identify with in the film. He's supposed to be somewhat blank/stoic. I get your concern, and it's something I wonder about, too: the people who were terrorized and abused in the plantation south had relationships and lives among themselves that should be shown on film. But this is the first American film about slavery, for real. I honestly don't think this film would have been made, or would have gotten as much acclaim if it was all the way real. Hell Patsy deserves her own film, easily, and I'd watch that shit first day. The average white audience member, though? I dunno.

2)I think the documentary style was purposeful, because it's the first American film about slavery for real. It's been funny reading the reviews of the film. The few folk (not you, the pro reviewers) who don't like it tend to have a common theme: they want more of an explanation of the white psychopathic behavior in the film. But the movie's about Solomon and his experiences, so the internal motivations of the white people in the film really, really don't matter, at all. Would knowing Epps back story save Patsy, or Solomon from being tortured or raped? Of course not.

3) I also think that Solomon's singing that funeral song isn't as simple as resignation. That shit was aggressive as hell, and kinda plays into a theory of the rebellion in black American art that came from the plantation era.
On the real, the lack of...warmth, i guess(?), in the film makes sense to me.

Please don't take this as coming at you or anything, but i think this is a hugely important film, for a few reasons, and I like talking about it. And, tbh, I'm still kinda unpacking how I feel about it.

  

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76. "RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)"
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>--I thought the movie stirred trite, stereotypical, emotions
>about slavery. It felt cheap. Every stock character and
>"symbol" was in the movie, too: lynchings, mean master,
>working in fields, the whip, nasty overseers, slaves humming,
>cotton, dancing, a fiddler, illicit and evil relationships
>between masters and slaves, the cruel Missus, oh the injustice
>of it all...on and on.

I really don't understand this. You want a slavery movie without whips and cotton-picking? Those archetypes like mean-masters and nasty-overseers are cliche for a reason. They existed. Slaves did hum and pick cotton. They played fiddle and danced too. Why (and more importantly, how) would we make a movie about slavery trying to avoid those references?

Alot of the other stuff you wrote is really interesting. I'll respond some more when I get more time.

  

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77. "RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)"
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I'm coming from the perspective that the film is a masterpiece so I'm gonna try to defend it. Your thoughts are really interesting to me though....

>Solomon, for a majority of the film, inhabited a space on
>screen with an implicit attitude that he was "above" slavery.
>Not meant for it. I was bothered by what seemed to be an
>invisible portrayal and commentary made about the inherent
>character and "humanity" of Solomon, born-free, and the
>inherent character and "humanity" of born-slaves (who seemed
>to be so much more "emotional" than Solomon, a "thinker" and
>therefore, somehow, the equal or better of his white
>counterparts). Solomon was the only Black on the plantation
>with intellectual gifts, educated or not. The exceptional
>Negro. And of course, that kind of man should be free, right?
>He has so much to contribute to society! Or is it that his
>freedom made him so exceptional? Either question irks me.

I think you're right when you say that his freedom made him exceptional (in relation to the other slaves). But why is that problematic? It's like you're interpreting that as a putdown to the slaves when I'd argue it's presented as a 'victim of circumstance' situation. I DO think Solomon has more intelligence, more empathy, more overall 'humanity' than the other slaves....and that's because he hadn't been robbed of those things yet. Imo, it isn't realistic to portray the life-long slaves as being compassionate, family-oriented, supportive of each other. I think the film argues that those virtues are simply not possible for slaves to have. It's the result of the psychological damage of their circumstances and experiences.

>Solomon's attitude and towards Whites was baffling to me.
>Also. Mind-blowingly depressing: the lack of bonding among
>slaves in the film or sense of community and family. No one
>seemed to know or care for anyone. Just bodies on the
>plantation. Not surprisingly, I had problems with the opening
>sexual scene of the movie. In a sense, it encapsulated, to me,
>everything wrong with the film.

I'd be interested in you expanding on some of these things. Especially the problem you had with the sex scene. But if I understand you correctly, you wanted the life-long slaves to be portrayed in a better light. Perhaps there is a basic disagreement that you have with the film's assertion that slavery robbed people of their humanity. Are you suggesting that slaves can (and did) maintain their humanity? Their empathy, sense of community, compassion? Perhaps it's a matter of the degree to which life-long slaves were undeveloped in these virtues?

>I don't know. I kept picking up, from Solomon: "I'm not one of
>you." You meaning: slaves. It's as if Solomon unplugged, all
>the way, except in extreme cases, from those around him. When
>people are traumatized, they check out. But it's as if
>film-Solomon could only look at "them" as a free man and not
>as a Black man (except when the spiritual "moved" him at a
>funeral). But at that point, he's resigned to this "idea" of
>what it means to be a slave and it seems as if it's connected
>to being Black, in a negative way. That scene had slight
>overtones, to me, with the episode of the Boondocks when
>Ruckus gets the news from a DNA test that he's Black...and
>gets upset and says things like: "Oh I'm Black now. I guess I
>have to do things like not read and play video games now."

I completely agree with your interpretation here. Solomon definitely had a 'I'm not of you' mindset. But again, why is that problematic? What could he possibly have in common with life-long slaves? Being black is not enough for him to relate to other slaves. He lived a life of self-determination....he choose a career, he choose a wife, he was free to become the person he wanted to be and made a life according to an identity that was his to make and hold. He's cognizant that the other slaves were not afforded these opportunities. That makes them VERY different from him on an extremely basic level. Their identity is dictated to them. His identity is the product of his own self-awareness and inner growth.

>Maybe I'm being too sensitive or need to give the movie
>another try. But I didn't like the ways that Solomon
>passed...judgment, I guess. I think this made the ways that
>folks "pitied" the slaves in the theater I saw the movie in,
>cheap.

I didn't read Solomon as judging the other slaves. He saw them as victims of circumstance. It's not their fault that they've been robbed of their humanity. And yes....he did pity them. And so does the audience. I don't understand why that's problematic either.

>Free first. Black second. God forbid he be both.

Well, he was both in the beginning wasn't he?

The freedom to be self-determinate in one's identity supercedes the role that race plays in said identity. Of course freedom comes first. After one is free to create their own identity, then one can choose how race plays a role in who they are. Again, without that freedom, the role that race plays in one's identity is dictated, not chosen. The gift of being self-determinate in your identity comes before anything else.


>I felt like a was watching a "post-racialized" Black man make
>his way through slavery.

I'd be interested in you expanding on this as well. I assume you're black....I'm white and perhaps that partly explains the difference in our interpretations here. I just really don't see why Solomon would feel a kinship with the life-long slaves. I don't see how simply being black would make him feel like he can relate to them. His experience is completely different from their's.

Hoping that you'll respond. To wrap up I was thinking that some elements of your critique are somewhat similar to what Quentin Tarintino was saying about Holocaust movies when he made 'Inglorious Basterds'. Can't find any direct quotes but he stated that he was sick of some the archetypes and cliches....the meek jewish victim, the intelligent, evil nazi. Part of his inspiration for making that movie was to turn those cliches on their head. Django Unchained was an extension of that intent. Interested to know if you like Django or IB.

  

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80. "Having a "post-racial" black become a slave is even more powerful"
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With having a character who seems "above" slavery, I think it draws
in an (white) audience even more to the experience.

A part of me felt like it was Solomon having his "wakeup" call
to what he is in that society and him being exposed to what
the majority of his people were going through that he was
either blind to or didn't sympathize with.

I can't help you with it feeling "cheap."

I thought it was raw and unflinching in its portrayal of the
brutality of slavery and helplessness of the slaves.

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81. "I couldn't agree more."
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As a white man, I was absolutely sitting there thinking about what would happen if my life was swept out from under me.

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85. "RE: 12 Years a Slave (McQueen, 2013)"
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>Solomon's attitude and towards Whites was baffling to me.
>Also. Mind-blowingly depressing: the lack of bonding among
>slaves in the film or sense of community and family. No one
>seemed to know or care for anyone. Just bodies on the
>plantation. Not surprisingly, I had problems with the opening
>sexual scene of the movie. In a sense, it encapsulated, to me,
>everything wrong with the film.


i beloeve you missed part of the sense of bonding because it was purposefully low key
it had to be low key for their lives

didn't you see the moment solomon said anything to patsy within hearing distance of the master
he wanted to know what it was?

thats likely not the only person

the white people on plantations are out numbered
if you show any sort of cohesion intelligence it will be used against you

that system was not set up for bonding or unity
it becomes "conspiracy" under those conditions very easily

thats not to say there werent moments
but i think you over looked them for a nostalgic picture frankly
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79. "Really good. A few shots that really struck me:"
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- the water being churned up in the riverboat's paddle wheel
- the aforementioned-in-the-post series of shots of Solomon on his tiptoes as children play in the background
- the spiritual scene
- perhaps most of all, the scene where Solomon stares at the camera

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107. "I was really truly taken aback by this:"
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>- perhaps most of all, the scene where Solomon stares at the
>camera

it felt so damn personal...it was unexpected and shocking...i slightly moved my head back and frowned when it happened...then relaxed into it and almost smiled..then when he looked away, i actually questioned: did he really look into the camera?

one of the most interesting moments i ever experienced during a movie

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125. "It really struck me as well"
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I felt very uncomfortable but I felt like I owed it to him to keep looking him in the eyes. When he looked away I felt relieved almost. Very intense scene.

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86. "oh man this is tough to sort through"
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cinematically it was magnificent to look at
and painful as hell to view


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87. "At a loss for words right now "
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Just so powerful..need to process my thoughts and sort through my emotions. One thing I will say: the continuous shot for the whipping scene...absolutely brilliant

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88. "Not even the best tracking shot IMO."
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That honor would go to the slave auction scene. Good gracious.

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89. "O man, that was so good too"
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The whipping stuck out to me because of the intensity of the scene....all the performers had to be locked in to that raw emotional state for that entire shot. Can't imagine how draining that is.

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90. "Yea, that was the best tracking shot in the film."
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93. "that slave auction shot was so damn intense"
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even the sound/noise layering that was going on over/through the shot created such a sense of tension and dread

  

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91. "McQueen on Smiley and West, via Soundcloud"
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skip past the first ten minutes or so, which is about current affairs. Interesting to hear McQueen's mindset and impetus for making certain decisions.

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94. "damn good interview"
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92. "every blk person in the theatre had tears in their eyes during The Scene"
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my girlfriend was shooked for like a good hour after the flick

mcqueen nailed it

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95. "arguably, one of the best movies of the year"
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it has to be.

its already number 1 on my end of year list that's for sure.

McQueen is three for three with outstanding movies.

this film was, truthfully, a creative and technical achievement: from acting (GIVE Chiwetel, and Lupita awards. NOW), writing (John Ridley brought SOME SERIOUS CHOPS to this one.), directing, cinematography, sound effects, makeup, production design and the score.

like, i'm not seeing that many films fucking with this at all this year.

Like, no shade against the rest of the films coming out, but yea, y'all need to accept the fact that you are MOST DEFINITELY in second place to this.

such a visceral and gut wrenching experience.

Patsey: I cried for her and kept crying afterwards knowing that she most definitely spent the rest of her days on that plantation....

Epps: Fassbender is a study in intensity because I wanted knock that motherfucker OUT, knowing full well there were so MANY men like him during slavery.

Mistress Epps: ugh, such an ugly and pathetic ass woman portrayed so brilliantly by Sarah Paulson. I mean, I hated her but felt sorry for the position and station she was in during that period...but Paulson? this performance and her excellent work on American Horror Story shuts EVERYONE UP who thought she couldn't act and was just Cherry Jones' eye candy the entire time they were together.

great movie....

one that EVERY PERSON needs to see.

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96. "DP/30: Alfre Woodard"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztv2KAYU2ZM

She really is one of the G.O.A.T.'s so much knowledge dropped here.

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97. "DP/30: Lupita Nyong'o"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXEscPwOpp0

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98. "DP/30: Steve McQueen and D.P. Sean Bobbit"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWDEd0xwCY4

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99. "powerful film,mcqueen for the win!"
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I'm still processing it, but I hope all involved get their much deserved nominations and award wins they all deserve it !


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man.... thats all I can really say right now.

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101. "6.6 mill weekend....17 mill in the bank already"
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So glad this movie is actually making some money....I honestly thought it'd do maybe 10 mill total and be a quiet awards contender that people don't go see...

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102. "It's not hyperbole to call this a landmark of American cinema.."
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That is, if you even consider it an American film, since the filmmakers and many of the leads are British...

Either way, it's a masterpiece.

McQueen's most "accessible" film (with a clear, straightforward narrative) but still maintains its supreme artfulness.

Ejiofor is truly immense.

Fassbender is terrifying.

Nyong'o is hearbreaking.

Films like this don't come along very often.



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103. "Having difficulting seperating the film from my emotional response to it"
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I sat there with my lips pursed so tight they were bloodless for the majority of the film.

I'm almost uncomfortable in praising it.

But it was incredible. Masterful even.

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I haven't seen the movie, so i cannot review or critique it at all.

BUT....

From the other reviews I read...It seems as though, people praise it more-so for it being such a harsh movie. Then call it real, as if they were there to validate it.

When I say harsh, I mean, the slaves were really shown getting whipped and beat very candidly and brutally. No holds barred. Beat like dogs. Major emotion and tension. Anguish. Pain. Grunts. Screams. Hollering. Blood and sweat splatters.

Why does this equate to a good film? What's so "good" about that?

I mean...is there a "nice" way to get beat and whipped? Is that really the true performance measurement for all slave related movies?

Did people expect the beatings to be pleasant? Is it really difficult to show someone being beat the shit out of?? Is it a challenge for a director to show a beating and to make it look like it hurt?

I'm not critiquing the movie, because I haven't seen it, just wondering why people call it good, if the beating and whipping scenes are more brutal.

If there were no envelope pushing beating scenes, would the movie still be "good"?




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105. "Good grief. I should've stopped reading at line 1."
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>I haven't seen the movie, so i cannot review or critique it
>at all.

lol

>When I say harsh, I mean, the slaves were really shown getting
>whipped and beat very candidly and brutally. No holds barred.
>Beat like dogs. Major emotion and tension. Anguish. Pain.
>Grunts. Screams. Hollering. Blood and sweat splatters.

There's not a lot of blood in the film at all. A couple of scenes. The tension is just so high and the threat of violence so real that it feels like more.

>I'm not critiquing the movie, because I haven't seen it, just
>wondering why people call it good, if the beating and whipping
>scenes are more brutal.

That's not why people are calling it good.

>If there were no envelope pushing beating scenes, would the
>movie still be "good"?

Yes. In fact, I dare say very little here is "pushing the envelope." There's little here we haven't seen, except for the artistic execution of the content. That's the only thing "new" here-- that someone takes the time to so elegantly frame and shoot this content.

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106. "watch the film, then talk about it. or don't."
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108. "LOL...people are so....behind...."
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how can a person critique a critique of something they haven't seen? and how can you* be skeptical of comments that say a movie is good for being brutally honest? ...ugh....

*in general

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110. "RE: watch the film, then talk about it. or don't."
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I won't be watching this film.

I can still talk about whatever I want to.

I am just personally tired of all these slave movies they seem to really push.

This is the equivalent of the crappy music they put out...all one style and no diversity.

Where are the great new modern contemporary films with black actors?

Where's the balance??

The Help
The Butler
12 Years a Slave

geez. I'm tired of this shit. I

It's funny, they criticized the 70's alleged "blaxploitation" movie era for allegedly exploiting blacks. Maybe because in those movies, blacks were kicking ass.

Damned reverse psychology tricks. That's the kinda shit we should be making NOW. Not all this "Don't u forget, this is how we really see you" type shit.

It's like the force fed over-saturated music scene. All extremes, and no balance. You're either ratchet as hell, or you're irrelevant.

In movies...it starting to be....you're either back in the past as a slave or servant, or you're irrelevant.

Black people, don't fall for the Jedi mind tricks. At some point, we have to move FORWARD.

No disrespect to the history. We should know it. Just balance the shit out in the diversity of movies. Damn.









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113. "Perhaps the most wrong thing ever posted in PTP."
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>This is the equivalent of the crappy music they put out...all
>one style and no diversity.

If you think The Help (not a slave movie btw), The Butler (also not a slave movie btw), 12 Years A Slave, and Django Unchained are even REMOTELY stylistically similar, then you're either blind or using the word "style" incorrectly.

>Where are the great new modern contemporary films with black
>actors?

12 Years A Slave is about as modern as a movie gets. But I'm assuming you're misusing "modern" and what you mean is films set in the present day.

What you're looking for: let's see, off the top this year, there's Fruitvale Station, Peeples, Gimme the Loot, The Best Man Holiday, Black Nativity, The Inevitable Defeat of Mister and Pete. "Great" is up to you, but Fruitvale Station was great, Peeples was funny, and I know plenty who loved Gimme the Loot. This is also only one year removed from Middle of Nowhere (GREAT), Beasts of the Southern Wild (GREAT), and Pariah (great, not all caps, but wildly impressive).

>Where's the balance??
>
>The Help
>The Butler
>12 Years a Slave

lmao, I can't. Couldn't be more different.

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114. "An Oversimplification of Her Beauty"
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too.
still my favorite flick of the year.

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138. "Thank YOU!!! Frank Longo"
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you're a better man than me. I would've used a bunch of expletives and name calling

  

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119. "Let's remember this"
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When you get upset the next time someone has the temerity to criticize some garbage-water black movie you want to defend.

>I won't be watching this film.
>
>I can still talk about whatever I want to.

  

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133. "this is the dumbest post in here"
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congrats.

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109. "a movie I think everyone should see, but i'm not sure at what age"
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teenage sounds about right, but maybe younger?? but how young??

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111. "RE: a movie I think everyone should see, but i'm not sure at what age"
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>teenage sounds about right, but maybe younger?? but how
>young??


teenage...like freshman in high school and up.

id say they should watch it.

they're seeing much worse playing call of duty, GTA etc.

but violence like this? it's going to be hard to view.

but teens should be able to handle it.

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112. "My take (spoilers)"
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I saw the movie and I didn't like the way I felt watching it.

I mean to say, if the purpose of a good, Academy Award shoe-in as this is being proclaimed to be is supposed to make me feel hate or any emotion for a particular race of people then I will give it an award for that.

From him waking up a slave (horror and anger), the boat ride (anger), the auction (anger and horror), and the hanging scene (absolute horror)and the slave clapping freestyle "I'm Going to Hang Me a Nigga" rendition it just seemed like overkill. It was too much. I felt like I needed a shower and a drink after it went off.

Like another poster said this should be the Shindler's List for slavery movies. Like no more after this. We've had enough Butlers, the Helps, Django, this and then the upcoming Roots remake. Jewish people do not remake Shindler's Lists and holocaust movies every other year.










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116. "RE: "
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_films#1940s

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117. "Nice List lol"
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But I'm referring to US recent releases. In the past 2-3 years we've seen the Butler, the Help, Django, this and now Roots 2 Electric Bogaloo. I can't think of the recent holocaust movies but it's not Hollywood's latest fad.



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118. "A Holocaust movie came out last weekend."
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It's called The Book Thief. It's getting pushed for Oscars.

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120. "Like I said"
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this movie has been released without any of the publicity of 12 Years a Slave. I'm not a full time movie reviewer or critic. I should be clear, the point I'm making is that black people already have a limited representation at the box office and the recent trend is slavery. A holocaust movie every few years is not a trend. Django, the Butler (which had slavery scenes), and 12 years with new Roots on the way is back to back to back.


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121. "the "book thief" trailer played in front of 12 years"
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and its got plenty of pub....and holocaust or jewish-nazi movies aren't a "trend" as you say because they make them EVERY SINGLE YEAR and no one complains...and there are HUNDREDS of holocaust related movies....HUNDREDS...im missing your point, how is it a problem having a lot of movies about black history or the black experience? I guess we could always go back to the point where they never made them AT ALL...one good movie about slavery or a couple about the civil rights era doesn't mean we should say "cool, were all good now"...there are tons of stories that still need to be told...

I cant imagine a person ever saying "we've had enough historical movies about the black experience now, please stop hollywood"....my brain cant process that

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122. "I don't think you understand"
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I guess there is a market for these stories and by all means tell them and tell them well.
I think they should make other movies a trend, like remake Cleopatra, or another story that involves our history not in chains in America. I'm not a slavery junkie and I'm definitely not interested in seeing 20 more different perspectives on the subject.
I understand the need to tell different stories, but when it starts to look like a trend I can't applaud that. It's kind of like once Hollywood discovered people read comic books it's non stop until people start to hate comic book movies.
I see the same thing happening with slavery movies to me. What else do we have outside of Tyler Perry? I don't hate him, I appreciate his success, but not a fan. Just seems like its going to be the "trend" for awhile and just not feeling that aspect of it.
The movie did its job, I was depressed and horrified and angry. Not going to continue to go to see more movies on a subject that has that effect.



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124. "where's God? everywhere and nowhere."
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Northup is not a pious man. he never questions God or asks him for deliverance -- survival is an instinct, his motivations are family and sense of self. he's not thinking about his salvation when he recoils at Patsy's request for mercy, he simply can't stomach the idea of doing it. burying a fellow slave is another task in the day, never prompting the thought for a farewell prayer. there's a point where he earnestly joins the others in a spiritual, but I took that as an acceptance of his new rituals as a slave (and no longer a free man in slavery). even his eventual freedom comes through pragmatism.

yet the idea of God and power of religion are at the forefront of the world Northup finds himself in. slavers used God as a shield for their own immorality; the overlap of shrieking pain and evangelistic readings was especially resonant. for the slaves, God was a means to survive and a promise of deliverance -- "the plague of the pharaohs is but a poor example for what awaits the plantation class." even as their lives grew more and more dire, their devoutness only strengthened.

then there's the world itself. shot after shot presents the plantation in a Malick-ian manner: cotton fields, weeping trees and sunsets are given ample time and reverence onscreen (almost lovingly). the plantation may be a man-made hell on earth, but it's a strikingly beautiful one. God's touch amidst the worst of humanity.

God can be anywhere if someone wants to look hard enough. what's to be gained by looking is the question that comes to mind, when it's our own inhumanity and distorted religion that let an event like slavery occur.

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126. "loved the movie, i just wish (spoilers)"
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it didn't rely on some incredible white man (thank you Brad Pitt) to save the day.

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127. "RE: loved the movie, i just wish (spoilers)"
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if it happened that way it happened, how else would world get to his people up north?

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128. "it's a true story"
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Mildly distracting that it was Brad Pitt.

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129. "a horror movie"
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Hard to imagine a more effective film about the soul-corrupting evil of the institution America was built on.

The scenes of physical violence are of course sickening, but you go in expecting those. You're already flinching for the whipping scenes. But it's the scenes that show how degrading and perverse the act itself of owning another human being are in some ways the most powerful--the long take in New Orleans at Giamatti's slave market house, the scenes of Fassbender making the slave dance in the middle of the night, etc.

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>Hard to imagine a more effective film about the
>soul-corrupting evil of the institution America was built on.
>
>The scenes of physical violence are of course sickening, but
>you go in expecting those. You're already flinching for the
>whipping scenes. But it's the scenes that show how degrading
>and perverse the act itself of owning another human being are
>in some ways the most powerful--the long take in New Orleans
>at Giamatti's slave market house, the scenes of Fassbender
>making the slave dance in the middle of the night, etc.
>
>

all this right here, is so true. co-sign

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130. "This is white folks slavery film."
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Django was for US.

Now this is not to say this movie isn't good. I feel like it's inarguably a good movie. It just didn't sit well with me.

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135. "RE: This is white folks slavery film."
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>Django was for US.

Django was NOT for US. It was NEVER for US.

Are you serious? QT marginalized Django and made the story predominately about Schultz and *HIS* agency. Django only became relevant once they got to Candyland at the last half of the movie and even then, not really.

Nothing about Django screams US.

Seriously, it doesn't.

>
>Now this is not to say this movie isn't good. I feel like it's
>inarguably a good movie. It just didn't sit well with me.

12 Years A Slave is pretty much for US.

First off, the writer and director are black and didn't EVEN try to make the white folk the focal point of the movie.

unlike Django, where the main character was the de facto sidekick to the man who was helping HIM out in the movie, here, this movie is all ABOUT the exterior and interior life of Solomon Northrup.

yes, Epps and the slave owners who Solomon was owned by were in his life, in this movie, all of that revolved around him.

McQueen gave us pretty much, hands down, one of the best (written, shot and acted) movies about slavery to date. I put this up there with Roots and above Sankofa.

It just didn't sit well with you. that's fine. But to say Django Unchained was FOR US (and it's clear *THAT* movie was never for us) is cray. absolutely cray.

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Django is to 12 years what Beetle Bailey is to Apocalypse Now

  

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>Django is to 12 years what Beetle Bailey is to Apocalypse
>Now


OOOP! But you know the OP above isn't seeing *ANY* of this.

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137. "This is one of the dumbest posts made in PTP."
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Django Unchained is a cartoon, albeit a good cartoon, done by a white man. 12 Years a Slave is a film done by a black man that's told with equal parts beauty and horror.

THIS IS FOR US!

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132. "this is one of the best movies ever made"
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don't have much more to add to all the well-deserved hyperbole above. i will share something interesting though. saw this at a Q&A with screenwriter john ridley and composer nicholas brittel (zimmer did the score, brittel did the music in the film-- violin pieces solomon played, spirituals sung by slaves in the fields, etc). they said that we have no idea and will never know what slave spirituals actually sounded like. we have scattered lyrics here and there-- nothing complete-- but the actual music, the sound of it, the rhythm, the melodies, all of that is lost to history. brittel did years of research to write original lyrics and come up with a sound for this film that was not a mix of but a theoretical precursor to gospel/jazz/bluegrass. just thought it was amazing that something so significant could be lost like that, and not by accident either. loss of identity was a deliberate goal of american slavery.

EDIT: i do have to say one thing. steve mcqueen's filmmaking is breathtaking. like, forget the subject matter. just the choices here-- where to point the camera, how long to hold the shot-- are spectacular. the rising shot of solomon pleading for help that settles on the u.s. capitol building, the painfully extended sequence of solomon hanging from a tree, the extended shot of his letter burning all the way to ash, of course the whipping scene at the end might be one of the best one takes ever, and the passage of time shot that is just solomon's face as he waits to see if brad pitt came through. all spectacular. and for my money, this is the second time in a row mcqueen has directed the best male performance of the year (see: fassbender, shame). lots of people could make this movie and make it well. what mcqueen has done here is beyond extraordinary. really, truly, a film for the ages.

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141. "up just because."
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Get Out the Room
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142. "So powerful"
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on numerous levels.

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143. "RE: So powerful"
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>on numerous levels.


it really was. It's not a repeat viewing movie by an stretch of the word.

But, it IS quite powerful and harrowing and pretty much ALL THE THINGS YOU WANT TO SEE IN A MOVIE ABOUT SLAVERY DIRECTED BY A BLACK MAN.

and no, Django Unchained IS NOT, AND WILL NEVER BE, FOR US.

Yup.

Get Out the Room
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146. "Wow....quite possibly the saddest movie I've ever seen."
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Simply powerful and great.

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147. "Best movie of 2013 and maybe top 10 of the past decade"
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I found some of the dismissive comments in this post upsetting and disheartening.
I came in hear to share some thoughts on the movie but the few negative comments were so stupid that they messed up my mood completely.

Django was for us but this for white people? There are too many slave movies but annual holocaust flicks are okay? A review not based on the movie but based on other reviews? FOH.

I might have to come back to this post later because there's some interesting replies i want to build on. Just the stupid shit got under my skin.

Ps fans of Steve McQueen should track down and watch the recent feature on him on a BBC show called The Culture. It is well down especially as a primer to his work but also he explains some of the shots in 12 years.Torrents are out there.

  

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148. "some of the commentary you'll get in discussing the film w/folx"
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kinda shows just how removed/distant people really are from an actual discussion/understanding of the American slave trade.

  

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149. "Nothing groundbreaking, just a really good story executed really"
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well. Would be surprised if it didn't win the major awards.

Giamatti was a great dirtbag. That "my sympathy extends the length of a coin" quote is phenomenal.

Loved the part when they juxtaposed Dano's racist song with the house sermon, also when dude read a slavery passage in scripture.

The girl who played Patsy was pretty damn good. Had to be tough.

  

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150. "Sequel discussion are happening!"
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OK, not really, it's just a short/mashup trailer I made about what it would look like it Hollywood execs decided to make a sequel to 12 Years a Slave but I wasn't sure where else to post it,

http://youtu.be/kJsAXOKJkpw

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