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bwood
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"The Counselor (Ridley Scott, 2013)"


          

One of my most anticipated films of 2013 with an all star cast, one of my favorite directors working today, and it's an orginal screenplay from Cormac McCarthy.

This first teaser's in Russian:
http://collider.com/the-counselor-teaser-trailer-russian/

And even though I have no idea what they're saying, it still looks cool.

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McCarthy, Wolski, Fassbender and Penelope
Jun 25th 2013
1
Looks a lot like NCFOM
Jun 25th 2013
2
tickets preordered:)
Jun 25th 2013
3
An excerpt from the script
Jun 26th 2013
4
Full trailer
Aug 07th 2013
5
The screenplay come out last week I believe
Oct 22nd 2013
6
RE: The screenplay come out last week I believe
Oct 23rd 2013
9
      RE: The screenplay come out last week I believe
Oct 23rd 2013
10
           RE: The screenplay come out last week I believe
Oct 23rd 2013
12
the review embargo is troubling
Oct 22nd 2013
7
agreed...i'll still see it, but my expectations have been tempered
Oct 23rd 2013
8
I think it has more to do with...
Oct 23rd 2013
11
      RE: I think it has more to do with...
Oct 24th 2013
13
           I haven't read the book. Just basing it on early reports.
Oct 25th 2013
14
                It's not based on a book. It's an original screenplay.
Oct 25th 2013
15
                     Ah, gotcha. Good to know.
Oct 25th 2013
17
I'm gonna skip this now. I was gonna go this morning.
Oct 25th 2013
16
High praise from Dargis (swipe):
Oct 25th 2013
18
After deleting the hipster, the reviews are pretty good
Oct 25th 2013
19
I should've been the target audience for this film. And I didn't like it...
Oct 25th 2013
20
How was Cameron Diaz?
Oct 25th 2013
21
She's totally fine.
Oct 25th 2013
24
See, everyone is saying the same thing pretty much that you said
Oct 25th 2013
22
      I actually think Diaz might be the second best performance in the cast.
Oct 25th 2013
23
Botched
Oct 29th 2013
25
RE: Another shitty ass Ridley Scott film
Oct 30th 2013
26
know or care?
Oct 31st 2013
27
SPOILER TIME
Oct 31st 2013
28
a caper movie without a caper.
Nov 12th 2013
29
Dare! Dare!
Nov 12th 2013
30
      was not feeling that Hangover II in Mexico segment
Nov 12th 2013
31
           The Fassbender/Pitt dynamic that weekend startled me.
Nov 12th 2013
32
Brad Pitt killed it, but overall pretty sloppy.
Nov 13th 2013
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1. "McCarthy, Wolski, Fassbender and Penelope"
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I'm in just off those names. I thought Scott did a fine job directing Prometheus, but the movie was let down by the screenplay. hopefully one of my favorite authors can correct that.

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2. "Looks a lot like NCFOM "
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>One of my most anticipated films of 2013 with an all star
>cast, one of my favorite directors working today, and it's an
>orginal screenplay from Cormac McCarthy.
>
>This first teaser's in Russian:
>http://collider.com/the-counselor-teaser-trailer-russian/
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>And even though I have no idea what they're saying, it still
>looks cool.
>

Link's been updated w/ a UK trailer in the King's english

  

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3. "tickets preordered:)"
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4. "An excerpt from the script "
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http://collider.com/counselor-images-script-excerpt/

NIGHT. TWO-LANE blacktop road through the high desert. A car passes and the lights recede down the long straight and fade out. A man walks out from the scrub cedars that line the road and stands in the middle of the road and lights a cigarette. He is carrying a roll of thin braided wire over one shoulder. He continues across the road to the fence. A tall metal pipe is mounted to one of the fence posts and at the top—some twenty feet off the ground—is a floodlight. The man pushes the button on a small plastic sending unit and the light comes on, flooding the road and the man’s face. He turns it off and walks down the fence line a good hundred yards to the corner of the fence and here he drops the coil of wire to the ground and takes a flashlight from his back pocket and puts it in his teeth and takes a pair of leather gloves from his belt and puts them on. Then he loops the wire around the corner post and pulls the end of the wire through the loop and wraps it about six times around the wire itself and tucks the end several times inside the loop and then takes the wire in both hands and hauls it as tight as he can get it. Then he takes the coil of wire and crosses the road, letting out the wire behind him. In the cedars on the far side, a flatbed truck is parked with the bed of the truck facing the road. There is an iron pipe at the right rear of the truck bed mounted vertically in a pair of collars so that it can slide up and down and the man threads the wire through a hole in the pipe and pulls it taut and stops it from sliding back by clamping the wire with a pair of vise grips. Then he walks back out to the road and takes a tape measure from his belt and measures the height of the wire from the road surface. He goes back to the truck and lowers the iron pipe in its collars and clamps it in place again with a threaded lever that he turns by hand against the vertical rod. He goes out to the road and measures the wire again and comes back and wraps the end of the wire through a heavy three-inch iron ring and walks to the front of the truck, where he pulls the wire taut and wraps it around itself to secure the ring at the end of the wire and then pulls the ring over a hook mounted in the side rail of the truck bed. He stands looking at it. He strums the wire with his fingers. It gives off a deep resonant note. He unhooks the ring and walks the wire to the rear of the truck until it lies slack on the ground and in the road. He lays the ring on the truck bed and goes around and takes a walkie-talkie from a work bag in the cab of the truck and stands in the open door of the truck, listening. He checks his watch by the dome light in the cab.

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5. "Full trailer"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4rTztvVx8E

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6. "The screenplay come out last week I believe"
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I bought it today and I'm about half way through. Some of the dialog is hilarious and I stopped reading tonight at what I think is the start of the major conflict in the movie that I think was somewhat spoiler by the trailers.

  

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9. "RE: The screenplay come out last week I believe"
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>I bought it today and I'm about half way through. Some of the
>dialog is hilarious and I stopped reading tonight at what I
>think is the start of the major conflict in the movie that I
>think was somewhat spoiler by the trailers.

are you talking about that clip of pitt specifically or just in general?

  

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10. "RE: The screenplay come out last week I believe"
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>>I bought it today and I'm about half way through. Some of
>the
>>dialog is hilarious and I stopped reading tonight at what I
>>think is the start of the major conflict in the movie that I
>>think was somewhat spoiler by the trailers.
>
>are you talking about that clip of pitt specifically or just
>in general?


The clip doesn't involve Pitt, at least I don't think it does; it shows for a brief second a scene involving a motorcycle driving in the night. I won't say anymore in case you haven't seen the scene in question because saying too much will spoil what I think is a major scene in the flick, at least from the limited amount I've read of the screenplay so far.

  

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12. "RE: The screenplay come out last week I believe"
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>>>I bought it today and I'm about half way through. Some of
>>the
>>>dialog is hilarious and I stopped reading tonight at what I
>>>think is the start of the major conflict in the movie that
>I
>>>think was somewhat spoiler by the trailers.
>>
>>are you talking about that clip of pitt specifically or just
>>in general?
>
>
>The clip doesn't involve Pitt, at least I don't think it does;
>it shows for a brief second a scene involving a motorcycle
>driving in the night. I won't say anymore in case you haven't
>seen the scene in question because saying too much will spoil
>what I think is a major scene in the flick, at least from the
>limited amount I've read of the screenplay so far.

Saw that one. There's another they're showing now w/ Pitt which looks very telling but I guess could be misleading.

  

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7. "the review embargo is troubling"
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and its kinda weird how all of the commercials are basically quoting preview articles over and over....seems weird to me

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8. "agreed...i'll still see it, but my expectations have been tempered"
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watched the making of segment on hbo the other night & the diaz scenes were very troubling

  

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11. "I think it has more to do with..."
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... how audience unfriendly the movie is going to be.

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13. "RE: I think it has more to do with..."
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>... how audience unfriendly the movie is going to be.


You based this on anything else other than the screenplay? Oddly enough, I thought Penelope Cruz was going to play the Malinka character at first and Cameron Diaz was going to play The Counselor's love interest; I think mainly because of Blow. I think the fact Diaz is going to play that role rubs the the wrong way. I don't want to say too much to spoil the movie though, but I can easily see her mucking up the movie. The only other aspects outside of possible shoddy directing is some of the longer dialog that some of the characters make in the film, but if the acting is up to snuff, that shouldn't be a major issue.

  

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14. "I haven't read the book. Just basing it on early reports."
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I know critics haven't taken kindly to it, but I know a few critics I respect who said early that they loved it, but it's far too cold and philosophical and McCarthyish for the general public to do anything other than hate it.

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15. "It's not based on a book. It's an original screenplay."
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17. "Ah, gotcha. Good to know."
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16. "I'm gonna skip this now. I was gonna go this morning."
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From what I've been told and what I've read, this seems like something I can catch on HBO in March/April/May.

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18. "High praise from Dargis (swipe):"
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"Mr. Scott manages all these swiftly spinning parts with impeccable control and a lucid visual style. The story may be initially elusive, but there’s a clarity, solidity and stillness (the camera moves but doesn’t tremble) to his images that augment the narrative’s gravity and inexorable momentum. The beauty of the landscapes is about all that feels coherent in an often unrecognizable, unsettling world."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/25/movies/the-counselor-a-cormac-mccarthy-tale-of-mostly-evil.html?ref=movies&_r=0

Despite some subpar reviews, I'm still very much looking forward to this...

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19. "After deleting the hipster, the reviews are pretty good"
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Might check it out

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20. "I should've been the target audience for this film. And I didn't like it..."
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I love Ridley Scott, love the actors, love Wolski, love McCarthy, and I love films that are dense, cold, novelistic, and philosophical (Cosmopolis was one of my favorite films last year).

But it's bleaker than any McCarthy film on screen to date (which says something), its philosophical blather doesn't add up to much, the events are predictable, and it sprawls shapelessly like... well, a novel. It feels like an adaptation of a McCarthy novel with no edits made for cinematic considerations-- just thrown right onto the screen, every word.

It's also a film that for 75-90 minutes contains nothing but people talking about what happened or what will happen. Until the motorcycle incident, it's almost more like a play. Which, again, normally I would like.

Brad Pitt is the best with the McCarthy dialogue in the film by far. Some of the actors don't seem to be striking the right tone, so the novelistic lines sound stilted. Pitt home runs every line he has, though. And obviously the movie looks gorgeous with Wolski as d.p....

... but yeah, I didn't like it. And I'd ignored all the reviews too. I figured it'd be a Cosmopolis type of flick-- talky, novelistic, cold-- which is 100% my bag. And it is all of those things... but it just plain didn't work for me.

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21. "How was Cameron Diaz?"
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Her and some of the longer speeches by some of the major and minor characters are two of the aspects of the movie I am worried about.

  

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24. "She's totally fine. "
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The speeches are probably fine on their own, but the movie is pretty damn talky when it all adds together.

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22. "See, everyone is saying the same thing pretty much that you said"
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It's a bunch of bullshit that adds up to nothing. People said it's worth checking out on cable.

Which is a shame cause everyone said that everything beside the script and Diaz is solid, but it just doesn't come together.

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23. "I actually think Diaz might be the second best performance in the cast."
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Her character is just a cartoon, it's not her performances' fault. She handles the dialogue decently.

Fassbender is the real disappointment. His character is pretty empty, and the dialogue is so restrictingly novelistic that he can't really do anything until the end, when he suddenly emotes passionately, but it feels unearned since he's been so cold nearly all film long.

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25. "Botched"
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The sum of it's parts don't add up to much

Trailer gives it all away except for the fucking ferrari

  

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26. "RE: Another shitty ass Ridley Scott film"
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They was just a rambling on and on, lol, when i got home i had to go to wikipedia to read about what happened geez. Did y'all know Malkina hired the wireman? I sure didn't.

Cormac McCarthy, PLEASE stick to writing novels.

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27. "know or care?"
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>Did y'all know Malkina hired the wireman?

I think I recall hearing her voice on the phone during the exchange

Didn't really matter tho

  

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28. "SPOILER TIME"
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>They was just a rambling on and on, lol, when i got home i
>had to go to wikipedia to read about what happened geez.
>Did y'all know Malkina hired the wireman? I sure didn't.
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>Cormac McCarthy, PLEASE stick to writing novels.
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>Grade F


I didn't watch the movie; I instead read the screenplay, so bear that in mind. I was under the impression Malinka only hired the people who killed Brad Pitt's character, but that the drugs were going to be stolen outside of her control. So her character was behind the entire deal getting screwed up? Interesting.

  

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29. "a caper movie without a caper."
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just lots of talky characters who lose their heads (literally) when they can't take their own advice. Fassbender was surprisingly inconsequential; daresay even bad. the many, many monologues tried to add heft, but they came off forced (I did like the grief parable).

it's kind of entertaining, pretty to look at, but mostly stuck in neutral.

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30. "Dare! Dare!"
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>Fassbender
>was surprisingly inconsequential; daresay even bad.

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31. "was not feeling that Hangover II in Mexico segment"
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32. "The Fassbender/Pitt dynamic that weekend startled me."
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Mostly because Fassy is so good in 12 Years a Slave, and Pitt with his Amish beard and Inglourious Basterds speech rhythms is easily the weak link...

... but then in this, Fassbender is a non-entity, defined mostly by his wavering accent, whereas Pitt for me was by far the stand-out, easily the most comfortable with the novelistic dialogue.

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33. "Brad Pitt killed it, but overall pretty sloppy."
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Shit didn't connect and shit happens for no reason. Hank Schrader kind of just shows up out of nowhere and just fucks around with John Leguizamo for a minute.

Too many monologues that tried to be profound.

Fassbender was boring. Javier did his thing. My man Pitt was the clear MVP in this whole thing. I wish he had more screentime.

The bolito device shit was cool though.

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