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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FER3C394aI8 Trailer

Yea, it's Woody Allen and he's been REAL HIT OR MISS (Midnight in Paris YAY, everything else after that, NOOOOOOOOO! )

But Cate Blanchett is starring in this? Alec Baldwin, Sally Hawkins, Bobby "I changes white women quicker than I change my boxers every morning" Cannavale, etc.

I'm intrigued and I'm lightweight in.

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I liked the Xanax line but this seems like a storyline that's kind of been done a lot before and not much in the trailer, besides who is in it, stood out.

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I thought To Rome with Love was pretty good.

More than that, dude has been on a pumping out at least one movie a year for over twenty years now.

Eh, they're not all going to be winners...

a winner. to each his or her own though.

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i want to see this for andrew dice clay


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Blanchett is a lock for an Oscar nod, and she'll have some buzz for the winners circle. Also terrific: Hawkins, Cannavale, and Dice Clay.

Few filmmakers make top form cinema look so effortless. Another one def worth seeking out.

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Cate is a lock for a nom.

"terrific: Dice Clay"

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I remember hearing him on WTF and thought to myself, WOW, I want to hear MORE from him.

I'm so glad he's getting some shine. Hopefully this leads to more work for him.

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the final scene where he confronts Blanchett's character is damn near heart breaking

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While I thought this was better than Young Adult and Margot at the Wedding, I just struggle to get into these films. There was some funny stuff in this film but the fact that Jasmine was mentally disturbed and in need of help took away from it for me.
I also thought the Louis CK storyline was weak.

The performances and editing style made it work but, overall, I wasn't a fan.

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>While I thought this was better than Young Adult and Margot
>at the Wedding, I just struggle to get into these films. There
>was some funny stuff in this film but the fact that Jasmine
>was mentally disturbed and in need of help took away from it
>for me.
>I also thought the Louis CK storyline was weak.
>
>The performances and editing style made it work but, overall,
>I wasn't a fan.


see I was a fan of Margot At The Wedding mainly for how evil Margot was and how unrealistic and delusional she truly was about her life and her situation...

but I was in the minority since Margot was routinely destroyed by critics.

Young Adult too...and I enjoyed that one also.

I love Cate Blanchett, so I am definitely going to see it.

But, mental illness dark comedy? I've never been a fan of mental illness being treated for laughts (Silver Linings Playbook anyone?) and I hope that's not a trend that continues...

but, I'm willing to be open to seeing this if and when it comes out my way.

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Will be interested in hearing your take but I think it's better than both Margot and YA and is in a similar vein. To me, the thing that differentiates them from Silver Linings (which I liked) was that SLP was dealing way too simplistically with someone trying to overcome their illness whereas Margot, YA, and Blue Jasmine kind of have us laughing at someone while they fall deeper and deeper into their delusions. To me, it's almost like Ellen Burstyn's role from Requiem for a Dream played for laughs.

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>Will be interested in hearing your take but I think it's
>better than both Margot and YA and is in a similar vein. To
>me, the thing that differentiates them from Silver Linings
>(which I liked) was that SLP was dealing way too
>simplistically with someone trying to overcome their illness
>whereas Margot, YA, and Blue Jasmine kind of have us laughing
>at someone while they fall deeper and deeper into their
>delusions. To me, it's almost like Ellen Burstyn's role from
>Requiem for a Dream played for laughs.

that's interesting.

Then again, I like "unlikeable women" in movies and all three of the leads in Margot, YA, and Blue Jasmine are very much that.

But I will check it out when it comes out and report back.

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I know there's like one moment where she's muttering to herself and someone is staring like WTF, but that's sort of different to me than "oh look how wacky mental illness is!" I didn't think it was played wacky at all.

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Most notably, the entire scene with her babysitting her nephews at the pizza place. That's when she finally admits/explains that she was cracked up, and she's acting the most cracked up that she has to that point, and it was played for laughs.

Even the opening scene was her being cracked up, although we didn't know it at that moment. Her muttering to herself is played for laughs two or three times. I found many of the laughs were based on her being delusional and, for me, that was part and parcel of her being mentally unstable.

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Or, rather, if "played for laughs" is akin to "look how silly this mental instability is!", which is what I thought SLP was. I always hate when the laugh is because the suffering person is saying or doing funny things. The comedy here is more in people's reactions rather than in her behavior IMO. The cutaway timing is comedic, to be sure. I just thought the film treated her condition with gravity throughout.

Not to go into my life story, but I've got family shit that usually makes me craaaaaazy sensitive to what you're talking about, so I totally understand that type of thing you're bringing up. I just didn't get that type of reaction to the laughs here, personally.

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Someone acting crazy and people making funny reactions might be even worse. I don't think that the reaction would be seen as funny if the crazy antics were being played with much weight.

We'll have to agree to disagree because I don't think there's any way that her performance in the pizza parlor scene wasn't played for laughs.

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But I do disagree that it's mocking or making light of her disease.

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I think Woody's treatment of her mental illness is a little romantic and antiquated (the tragic doomed figure rather than simply a woman who needs better emotional support, therapy, and meds), but I don't think he's playing it for laughs at all.

Maybe a few tiny moments of slight lightness to keep it from being too grim too early but Woody is not typically very subtle. When he makes a joke he makes a joke.

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If anything the "laughs" are mainly at how folk over look mental illness

It's a really realistic approach to classic breakdown and the people surrounding that person basically ignoring it
Classic "she was so beautiful" " she seemed so normal" "I knew it" because *points to how much they've been hurt but not actual signs*


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I'm still ehh about Margot @ The Wedding, because it was OD tortured "privileged" white women.

Blue Jasmine was good though

I def don't think YA was about mental illness more so than an asshole alcoholic who happened to be a woman, successful, and immature emotionally.

as for Jasmine and SLP neither seemed to create mental illness for laugh's sake. there are laughs, alongside tender moments in both films, but overall, in particular for Blue Jasmine, this shit was gut-wrenching and heart-breaking.

I also think there is a bit too much of a focus on Jasmine's mental illness and not enough on how fucked up of a human being she was before she cause her own fucking break down. Fuck Jasmine, Blanchet kilt that role and i see why she won the globe

One of those movies where you're rooting for or against any given character at different points. Beautifully executed.

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Like much of his late work, it's got some great stuff and some frustrating flaws.

THE GOOD

-The characters are almost all exceptionally well-drawn (and acted).

-The narrative boldness. He goes to some extremely uncomfortable places (dentist sequence and finale particularly).

-The deftness with audience sympathy. There really are no good guys and bad guys (except Baldwin)

-His exploration of class in America.


THE BAD

-Sloppy beginnings and endings of scenes are too frequent. His recent work too often feels like a first-and-only draft. When he's writing exposition it sounds like EXPOSITION.

-Too many convenient coincidences. Ginger happens to run into Hal? Augie really shows up at that moment? Danny conveniently relocates to the East Bay?

-His typical late-career patches of tone deaf dialogue.

-His general contemporary out-of-touchness. He has zero sense of what 2013 San Francisco is like (How does Jasmine manage to run into all these working class people from Jersey? Does he really want us to think Ginger's place is a dump--because that's a pretty nice apartment by my standards). Add in the odd extended plotline of Jasmine needing to take a long class with lots of homework (the class being populated by plenty of young people) simply to be able to learn how to use a website--something very few Americans under 70 don't learn in a matter of minutes--Jasmine's strange lack of understanding that you can return a call from a cellphone, and sundry other "old rich writer who doesn't live like normal people" details and it adds up to something strangely anachronistic, despite the Madoff plot elements.

Of his recent phase (after the rock-bottom Anything Else), I'd put this behind Match Point, Vicky, Cassandra's Dream, and Tall Dark Stranger, and ahead of Midnight in Paris, To Rome, Melinda and Melinda, Scoop, and the fucking terrible Whatever Works.

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everyone spoke with a lazy, casual bluntness -- just throwing character traits at each other. and yeah, that seemed like a big-ass apartment for San Francisco. even if you look at it from Jasmine's extravagant viewpoint, it still doesn't make sense as something Ginger wouldn't be proud of (or be able to pay for as a cashier).

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I haven't lived in the Bay Area in a while, but I have a lot of friends and family there. Can somebody who bags groceries for a living and is supporting two kids afford an unsubsidized two bedroom apartment in the Mission? (might even be 3 bedroom since it doesn't appear Jasmine shares a room with Ginger)

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His movies always feel like they exist in a time warp anyway. They're so old-fashioned in tone that the things you mentioned, which all crossed my mind, never once bothered me.

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But forgiving it is to admit it's a flaw.

It varies from quaint (the computer classes thing) to mortifying (his son in Hollywood Ending in the death metal band or whatever).

It's not too much to ask that a movie that seems deeply interested and concerned with class in contemporary America to have some sense of what life is actually like for people who live outside of the upper east side. I'm not sure he does anymore.

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That's a great observation that articulates something I noticed about the film that I couldn't put my finger on.

I was wondering why she was taking a class because she couldn't take a class.

My thought was that we were all suppose to acknowledge that it was a dumb plan all along.

Another explanation is that the script was written by a 77 year old.

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>-His typical late-career patches of tone deaf dialogue.
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>-His general contemporary out-of-touchness. He has zero sense
>of what 2013 San Francisco is like (How does Jasmine manage to
>run into all these working class people from Jersey? Does he
>really want us to think Ginger's place is a dump--because
>that's a pretty nice apartment by my standards). Add in the
>odd extended plotline of Jasmine needing to take a long class
>with lots of homework (the class being populated by plenty of
>young people) simply to be able to learn how to use a
>website--something very few Americans under 70 don't learn in
>a matter of minutes--Jasmine's strange lack of understanding
>that you can return a call from a cellphone, and sundry other
>"old rich writer who doesn't live like normal people" details
>and it adds up to something strangely anachronistic, despite
>the Madoff plot elements.
^^^
claps to all of this. agreed on every damn point

Sf standards
She probably was paying like 3600/mo for that apt

I'm on the side that believes Allen inserted too many comedic cues at the wrong times. several conversations aim for blunt force trauma, but are caught in limbo by a gag or one-liner. half the audience was howling at some appalling moments.

the one hook that caught me was Jasmine being a burden to everyone around her -- voiding Ginger's romances, distressing her stepson (who takes a really bizarre stance against her), and stringing along new suitors. her own issues become toxic for others, which is a really interesting point as to why the mentally distressed become helpless.

performances are strong but I found the entirety lacking.

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>I'm on the side that believes Allen inserted too many comedic
>cues at the wrong times. several conversations aim for blunt
>force trauma, but are caught in limbo by a gag or one-liner.
>half the audience was howling at some appalling moments.

I agree that half the audience howled at appalling moments, but personally I think I put that more on them than on Allen. (The half of the audience *not* howling must have known it wasn't really supposed to be laugh-out-loud funny.) I guess I'm closer to Frank's opinion on this one that Allen wasn't really trying to force the comedy. At the very least, even if a small number of the scenes might have been chuckle-worthy at her expense, I think overall he treated her condition with gravity. I don't think I laughed more than a handful of times the whole movie, and once when Louis CK was putting slow jams on the iPod dock and talking about the high-end definition.

The first time she's talking to herself on the street in San Fran, the camera pans to two people looking at her in shock. I'm not clear as to whether that supposed to be a comedic cue, but I don't really think so. Maybe it was, but I didn't laugh. I just thought it was, unfortunately, what people tend to do when they see a stranger muttering to herself on the street. Some of the audience laughed, definitely, but I could feel a lot of them going "oh shit, i'm not sure if i was supposed to laugh there" almost as soon as they did.

>the one hook that caught me was Jasmine being a burden to
>everyone around her -- voiding Ginger's romances, distressing
>her stepson (who takes a really bizarre stance against her),
>and stringing along new suitors. her own issues become toxic
>for others, which is a really interesting point as to why the
>mentally distressed become helpless.

Great observation. The way Allen wove that into the story was deft.

>performances are strong but I found the entirety lacking.

I liked it. I'd probably even goes as far as to put it in the B+ / A- range.

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Might as well give it to her now. I really enjoyed this movie. Thoroughly entertained for the all the reasons already stated.

I loved that it was a backstory for that crazy homeless lady in the park.


My one critique which I have not seen stated here is that I kind of wanted to see one redeeming lower class character. Though I was thinking this film was another skewering of high society his snobbery kind of came through by depicting all the lower class people as sweaty, ugly, stupid cows who only think about sex.

I guess you can say that Woody Allen doesn't think much of anyone regardless of class but Peter Sarsgaard came off okay.



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Blanchett killed it...really, everyone did. I was a little scared in Dice's first scene because he was AWFUL in it, but after that he brought it.

Pretty much loved it though...Max Cassella was the funniest part, I thought...and my heart dropped when Jasmine turned around to see Auggie even though I spent the whole film HATING her.

Also I watched this on a screener...and it had the typical For Your Consideration things on the back of it, but not one for Writing/Directing. Woody, man...

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I also have a screener, and I also got a card in the mail from Sony Pictures Classics listing each of their eligible films, and links to where we can download the screenplays.

The lone exception is Blue Jasmine, which is "available by request only."

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I loved all of the little subtle jokes and the straightfaced cartoonish qualities of all of the characters.

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good and bad

no need to retread

wasn't my plan to ever see this but i will admit it was interesting. the way cate blanchett's character kept reinventing this life for herself...her mental break...her body (my gawd she looked great). i was amused.

Dice was great...

Stellar cast. explaining away the husband was too easy (they just made him dead...ok)...too many coincidences like stated above.

it was a cool movie. I'm not mad at it.

It's in the upper half of WA joints I've seen

Blanchett was really good
Diceman was good too it was cool seeing him
And Louie ck

Some real interesting stuff

I actually watched this and crimes and misdemeanors
Right after

So after I read all these treatises except for the most obvious
How this was about Mia
How this was his street car name desire

Although apparently cate did a turn as blanchett
Which I could see her turning that into this full hilt excellent performance

Frankly though the men in this piece were masterful as well and I'm shocked at zero commentary on their pretty sick turns of humanity that at all turns topped jasmine pathetic ness all for her beauty or in reaction to hrm...a beauty that doesn't directly serve them...but their reaction to beauty supposedly under their control

It was amazingly honest and real and nutty as hell

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