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ZooTown74
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"42 (Helgeland, 2013)"
Fri Sep-21-12 10:21 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

First trailer

http://youtu.be/iP3G4E2ael8

We know, you're in

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Since we're all in, can we complain about the music in the trailer?
Sep 21st 2012
1
At least it wasn't Gimme Shelter. Or anything by Drake. Or Kanye.
Sep 21st 2012
2
Fuck that, Black baseball players are going the way of the Dodo...
Sep 21st 2012
3
no they aren't. That is something being perpetuated in the media
Sep 22nd 2012
12
      yes they are
Sep 28th 2013
70
I don't like the song either :/
Sep 21st 2012
4
That & the fact that I'd rather see Spike's version
Sep 21st 2012
5
Apparently Mrs. Robinson didn't want to see Spike's version. Hence...
Apr 12th 2013
33
nah, it's dope
Sep 22nd 2012
7
      There's a huge gap between classical and Jay Z
Sep 22nd 2012
8
           Jay-z was used the great gatsby and like 4 other tailers.
Sep 22nd 2012
10
           This isn't a criticism of Jay Z. You understand that, right?
Sep 22nd 2012
13
                Yeah, and I'm pointing out that dude's music in period piece trailers
Sep 22nd 2012
14
                     Who said either of those things?
Sep 22nd 2012
15
           no, the point isn't to attract jay-z fans
Sep 23rd 2012
16
                Yes, because no music from that era has energy.
Mar 18th 2013
22
                     it took you six months to think up that reply?
Mar 19th 2013
23
                          It took 6 months to see how illogical your reply was.
Mar 19th 2013
26
looks awesome, but his voice is WAY too deep
Sep 22nd 2012
6
I still say they shoulda signed Josh Gibson first.
Sep 22nd 2012
9
      too old
Sep 23rd 2012
17
           That's not why.
Nov 29th 2012
19
                not to mention josh was kinda a hothead/crazy
Apr 15th 2013
44
                     So was Jackie, actually
Jun 07th 2013
68
*Flips Bat In An Historically Inaccurate Way*
Sep 22nd 2012
11
Man, that almost ruined that movie for me
Mar 20th 2013
28
right? I'm already cringing
Mar 20th 2013
29
definitely not in...harrison ford looks like a clown
Sep 23rd 2012
18
Y'all complaining but people won't watch this without gimmicks
Nov 29th 2012
20
April 12 release date.
Mar 18th 2013
21
dope poster
Mar 19th 2013
24
love it.
Mar 19th 2013
25
Mar 19th 2013
27
I saw RedTails and I'm gonna see this
Mar 23rd 2013
30
Oh, this lame complaint again.
Apr 12th 2013
31
Cinema Purest? Is that a brand of orange juice?
Apr 12th 2013
32
NIGGA, SIT DOWN AND BYE FOOL
Apr 15th 2013
42
Not good.
Apr 12th 2013
34
I am still going to see it. But this is what I am expecting
Apr 13th 2013
35
RE: danm only one review (#34) been posted yet
Apr 13th 2013
36
No love for Dan Bankhead
Apr 14th 2013
37
What I expected from a Hollywood biopic
Apr 14th 2013
38
interesting how there's no outrage at the use of nigger in this movie
Apr 14th 2013
39
lol
Apr 15th 2013
47
i didnt mind but they used that word MAAAAAAD times....
Apr 15th 2013
53
RE: interesting how there's no outrage at the use of nigger in this movi...
Apr 18th 2013
57
      ^^^^^
Apr 18th 2013
58
Too noble, too saccharine
Apr 14th 2013
40
This was what I expected...
Apr 15th 2013
46
      Wesley Morris talked about it a lil' on the B.S. Report podcast
Apr 20th 2013
63
      Nah, that "show their human side" shit is corny and overrated.
Apr 22nd 2013
65
this is legit one of the best baseball biopics ever (spoilers)
Apr 15th 2013
41
Meloni was the best thing about the movie
Apr 15th 2013
43
see this is what i was worried about
Apr 15th 2013
45
so what historically inaccurate flaw would you have given jackie?
Apr 15th 2013
49
      See, that's why I said I didn't know.
Apr 15th 2013
50
           i just don't see what a better jackie robinson movie looks like
Apr 15th 2013
51
                Ok.
Apr 15th 2013
54
RE: this is legit one of the best baseball biopics ever (spoilers)
Apr 15th 2013
48
My Son went with one of his classmates and loved it.
Apr 15th 2013
52
fact-checking 42-- aka plea copping for racists (long swipe)
Apr 17th 2013
55
if this were the 90's and not a big budget film
Apr 18th 2013
56
you know i was kidding about this stuff, right?
Apr 18th 2013
61
Campy but relatively honest. Fun and enjoyable. Well done.
Apr 18th 2013
59
Yeah, I dug it too.
Apr 18th 2013
60
basically
Jun 07th 2013
67
one of my homies had a part as one of the negro league players
Apr 19th 2013
62
Really good...
Apr 22nd 2013
64
fluff...
Apr 22nd 2013
66
Strongly disagree
Jun 08th 2013
69

bignick
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1. "Since we're all in, can we complain about the music in the trailer? "
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Motherfuckers need to knock that shit off.

  

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2. "At least it wasn't Gimme Shelter. Or anything by Drake. Or Kanye."
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3. "Fuck that, Black baseball players are going the way of the Dodo..."
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Whatever MLB has to do to bring them back in is ok with me.

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12. "no they aren't. That is something being perpetuated in the media"
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Sat Sep-22-12 05:35 PM by Castro

  

          

and I know this to not be true because my son plays in a league...a good league that is damn near 70% black....and that is the norm here and in most cities....

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70. "yes they are"
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4. "I don't like the song either :/"
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5. "That & the fact that I'd rather see Spike's version "
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33. "Apparently Mrs. Robinson didn't want to see Spike's version. Hence..."
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7. "nah, it's dope"
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if you put some conventional classical music over the trailer, it flops. put some jay-z over it, and it might sell. i actually think they're onto something here. i wouldn't mind seeing a civil rights era film with a hip-hop soundtrack. the django unchained trailer had johnny cash. i'm into it.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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8. "There's a huge gap between classical and Jay Z"
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>if you put some conventional classical music over the
>trailer, it flops. put some jay-z over it, and it might sell.

Right. Millions of Jay Z fans are going to flock to a Jackie Robinson biopic because they used his music in a trailer.

  

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10. "Jay-z was used the great gatsby and like 4 other tailers."
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Good music is good music. Don't hate.

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13. "This isn't a criticism of Jay Z. You understand that, right? "
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It's criticism of the use of his music in a period piece.

It's jarring and bad.

  

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14. "Yeah, and I'm pointing out that dude's music in period piece trailers"
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isn't restricted to this movie.

It's a trailer. I'm sure dude's music isn't the actual film.

Last Heroics Present the New York Premiere of Wole Soyinka's "The Road"

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https://twitter.com/#!/LastHeroics

  

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15. "Who said either of those things?"
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16. "no, the point isn't to attract jay-z fans"
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it's to give the movie a more contemporary feel, more energy, and a chance to connect with audiences under the age of 70.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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22. "Yes, because no music from that era has energy. "
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23. "it took you six months to think up that reply?"
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do better.

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26. "It took 6 months to see how illogical your reply was."
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6. "looks awesome, but his voice is WAY too deep"
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i get why they didn't bother, but this is what jackie robinson sounded like (like tiger woods, not danny glover):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaT-9l00050

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9. "I still say they shoulda signed Josh Gibson first."
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17. "too old"
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"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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19. "That's not why. "
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Josh was a country boy and couldn't really handle
the spotlight

Jackie was an LA boy, more comfortable with it,
already balled at UCLA


  

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44. "not to mention josh was kinda a hothead/crazy"
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68. "So was Jackie, actually"
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The Jackie Robinson = quiet, passive negro meme has never
been true


Robinson was perfect for three big reasons:

- he was from a big city, starred in a big city, was
used to the spotlight

- was young

- could potentially play multiple positions (which
he did)


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11. "*Flips Bat In An Historically Inaccurate Way*"
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I understand this is what movies do now. Texas Western catches alley-oops in the 1966 NCAA Championship game according to Glory Road. Just got to go for the sexy.

I expect this to be paint by numbers but I'm hopeful.

  

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28. "Man, that almost ruined that movie for me"
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They made them look like the And-1 mixtape team. I hate when movies do this.

  

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29. "right? I'm already cringing "
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18. "definitely not in...harrison ford looks like a clown"
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i'm tired of these overwrought shit piles. the story is good enough without stupid ass embellishments like young jackie striking a babe ruth pose on a train track. c'mon, man...

  

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20. "Y'all complaining but people won't watch this without gimmicks"
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Sad truth is that stories of black pioneers are sorta
interesting to black people, not interesting to white
people and outright boring to young people (of all colors)

Obama, y'all


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21. "April 12 release date. "
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looks good.

  

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24. "dope poster"
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saw this poster at a bus stop today, and i was like yes:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2139717/42-poster.jpg

i'm actually kinda getting hype for this. it's like the baseball version of red tails, except written and directed by the guy who did mystic river and l.a. confidential instead of a bunch of guys who had never made a movie before.

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25. "love it. "
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27. ""
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yeah that's an awesome poster.

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30. "I saw RedTails and I'm gonna see this"
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All you cinema-purest can stand around circle-jerking each other while you wait for Watchmen 2 to come out.

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31. "Oh, this lame complaint again."
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32. "Cinema Purest? Is that a brand of orange juice?"
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>All you cinema-purest can stand around circle-jerking each
>other while you wait for Watchmen 2 to come out.

  

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42. "NIGGA, SIT DOWN AND BYE FOOL"
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cinema PURIST my ass...

if folk aren't feeling a film, THEY AREN'T FEELING A FILM.

that's call individual choice...

so we're PURISTS (since you don't know how to spell) and SNOBS because folk don't want to spend their movie money on this?

nigga please...

Get Out the Room
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Some of y'all need this in your life: http://www.psychology.com

  

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34. "Not good."
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Dull, poorly written, Jackie's wife looked good only positive thing about the movie.

  

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35. "I am still going to see it. But this is what I am expecting"
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life long Dodgers, baseball, and baseball history fan. The trailers don't look very good but I have to go because its about Jackie Robinson. If it is mediocre I would be pleasantly surprised. I hope I am.

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36. "RE: danm only one review (#34) been posted yet"
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i guess that Jay-Z song did not work after all,lol. I don't think the film is bad but i am not gonna watch it. Looks like most of the guys here not interested either.

  

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37. "No love for Dan Bankhead"
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Ok, as much as I would have loved to see a scene where Jackie meets his black teammate and they acknowledge each other and the struggle I can get why it's not in there.

But then during the credits they mention that Roy Campanella came up in 1948 and Don Newcombe in 1949...but then don't mention that he had a black teammate already in 1947? I did not like that.

  

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38. "What I expected from a Hollywood biopic"
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-Tugs at the heartstrings
-Hero overcomes cliched obstacles
-You always have the two people who are with the hero no mater what.
-Has the mentor who guides the hero
-Made people stand and cheer and clap at the end.

In other words, your average entertaining biopic that's slightly better than most.

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39. "interesting how there's no outrage at the use of nigger in this movie"
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47. "lol"
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c'mon, don't start that in here.

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53. "i didnt mind but they used that word MAAAAAAD times.... "
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even had that lil kid yell it... where r the folks that were cryin about django at?

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57. "RE: interesting how there's no outrage at the use of nigger in this movi..."
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Black people don't get mad or complain about anything until Jesse, Al, Oprah, Tavis or Spike tells them to be upset.

  

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58. "^^^^^"
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40. "Too noble, too saccharine"
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And no, I wasn't expecting The Autobiography of Jackie X but the shit felt off

More later, maybe

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46. "This was what I expected..."
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I forget who said this, but it's kinda typical when non-black people tackle black hero stories. They're afraid to make them MEN. They end up making them saints, which, ultimately takes AWAY from what they accomplish.

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63. "Wesley Morris talked about it a lil' on the B.S. Report podcast"
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they actually spend a pretty good chunk of the 40 minutes talking about it.


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65. "Nah, that "show their human side" shit is corny and overrated. "
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All these niggas smoked weed and fucked hoes outside
their marriage

That does not a good biopic make

In fact its pretentious most of the time

Make an interesting MOVIE

As long as you don't LIE or completely distort
facts, I'm good with it (this movie did a pretty
good job with the facts; some slight changes, but
not too many)

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41. "this is legit one of the best baseball biopics ever (spoilers)"
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lol @ people complaining that 42 is a hagiography. newsflash, kids: jackie robinson's LIFE is a hagiography. sorry to disappoint those of you who were hoping the movie included jackie's secret gambling addiction, alcoholism, and love of fast white women to complicate the narrative. no, this is a very simple story-- with clear heroes and villains, clear W's and L's-- and it's told extraordinarily well. helgeland didn't set out to break any rules or push any boundaries, he set out to make a fantastic movie that entertains, informs, and gets rousing applause at fade out.

the rundown:

- this movie gets the baseball so right. oh, so right. baseball has never looked better or felt more magical. the stadium recreations (ebbets, forbes) are jaw-dropping. another really good baseball flick 61* did this really well on an HBO budget, but 42 takes it to another level. they put real hollywood money behind the eye candy here. visually and aesthetically, as good as the movies have ever done it.

- chadwick boseman is a movie star. it's too early for me to start a career agenda (right?), but there are flashes of a young pre-glory denzel here. a natural charisma mixed with just the right amount of gravitas. in lesser hands, i could see 42's robinson being a bit too saint-like. boseman gives the character humanity, vulnerability, and heart. and good God, does he look like jackie. i mean, it was scary in places. and not just in the face, but the way he moved on the bases, the way he played baseball-- he really nailed the physicality of the role. my complaints earlier that boseman's voice was way too deep now seem foolish. he was born to play jackie. the scene in the tunnel was award-worthy.

- christopher merloni is not in the mood for this. his late-night speech to the team was fantastic. a scene stealer.

- loved john c. mcginley as the dodgers announcer.

- nicole beharie. yes. struck the perfect balance of fiery without being stereotypical sassy. and her chemistry with boseman was electric.

- i was wondering throughout the movie why they cast comedic actor hamish linklater (new adventures of old christine, for the one of you that remember that show) as one of the dodger teammates. then came the shower scene. lol, oh, man, did it take guts to go down that road. hilarious, but it all could've easily gone very wrong and didn't thanks to linklater and boseman.

- harrison ford's voice and mannerisms are definitely jarring at first. you get used to it. and he's actually kind of great in a few scenes. and a big, huge credit to helgeland for not turning this into the branch rickey story, which many, many people in hollywood would have done. no, this is a movie about jackie robinson that thankfully is about jackie robinson.

- PITTSBURGH! hahaahahaahaa! yeah. i get why they made it the running joke, but the reality is that maybe no city in america has a richer baseball history. honus wagner, cool papa bell, josh gibson, buck leonard, ralph kiner, bill mazeroski, roberto clemente, willie stargell, barry bonds. it's a crime what major league baseball let it become.

- some of the kid stuff was cheesy. whatever. i mean, you have to have the inspired wide-eyed kid in the movie. you have to. it's a rule for movies like this. but it could've been done better.

- for people wishing this was grittier, i guess they could've dialed up the racism or something, and i'm sure there's a stack of those stories out there, but then it's not a movie you can take the family to. i thought they really struck a great balance between giving a taste of what robinson went through without getting... well, as dark as things probably got. when rickey pulled out the drawer of hate mail/death threats and said the FBI was on the case, i thought of guys like bonds and griffey jr. who had their own drawers, 50 years later.

- #1 at the box office, $27 million opening weekend, highest opening ever for a baseball movie, stunning total for a biopic. they really did this right, and it deserves to be seen. not just for the quality of the subject, but the quality of the film. a worthy tribute.

post script: the jackie robinson story (the 1950 biopic starring jackie as himself and ruby dee as rae) is streaming free on youtube. ashamed to say i haven't seen it. my next stop:
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43. "Meloni was the best thing about the movie"
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Know why? Because he was given a flaw. He appeared to be a very good manager who just happened to have a weakness for other women he wasn't married to. I found him fascinating, and I actually was sad when he left about halfway through. There was no other character in the film who matched him. And I don't know if that was needed for Jackie, but he certainly wasn't very interesting to me.

The movie hit all of the the pre-determined emotional notes at the right pre-determined times but it just didn't fully come together for me. *shrugs*

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45. "see this is what i was worried about "
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so is this another magical black saint joint
still plan on seeing it but it had that feeling based on the previews.
It gotta be better than redtails though right?



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>The movie hit all of the the pre-determined emotional notes at
>the right pre-determined times but it just didn't fully come
>together for me. *shrugs*
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49. "so what historically inaccurate flaw would you have given jackie?"
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or the other characters? this is what i'm talking about. people complaining that the fiim isn't nuanced or complex enough, that the characters are too much one way or another, tell me what your jackie robinson movie looks like.

and he wasn't a saint, BTW. they said right off the bat he had a temper. first scene between him and rickey, it looked like he was gonna level the old man. standing in the batter's box listening to the phillies manager, you could see him boiling to the point where he immediately afterwards goes to the tunnel, breaks down, and destroys his bat. the only reason those sequence don't have more tension is that we know jackie never decked branch rickey or left a batters box to take a bat to an opposing manager. in a fictional story, we'd wonder if that's where it was going. a biopic is kind of limited (in the broad strokes at least) to the reality of what actually happened. let me say that again before you tell me about your jackie robinson movie. a biopic is limited to the reality of what actually happened. given those constraints, i thought helgeland handled the subject matter quite brilliantly.

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50. "See, that's why I said I didn't know."
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I do like the aggressive "WELL WHAT FALSE SHIT WOULD YOU GIVE HIM" line of questioning, however.

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51. "i just don't see what a better jackie robinson movie looks like"
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that's all i'm saying. other people apparently do. i'd like for them to share their vision with me.

i mean, we can nitpick about they could've done this better or that better, but the life story of jackie robinson, the story of him breaking baseball's color barrier is pretty straightforward, not a lot of cinematic twists and turns, not a lot of narrative complicating nuance. therefore, they told it in a straightforward, earnest way, and did it extremely well. what's the better movie to be made here?

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54. "Ok."
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48. "RE: this is legit one of the best baseball biopics ever (spoilers)"
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>lol @ people complaining that 42 is a hagiography.
>newsflash, kids: jackie robinson's LIFE is a hagiography.
>sorry to disappoint those of you who were hoping the movie
>included jackie's secret gambling addiction, alcoholism, and
>love of fast white women to complicate the narrative. no,
>this is a very simple story-- with clear heroes and villains,
>clear W's and L's-- and it's told extraordinarily well.
>helgeland didn't set out to break any rules or push any
>boundaries, he set out to make a fantastic movie that
>entertains, informs, and gets rousing applause at fade out.
>
>the rundown:
>
>- this movie gets the baseball so right. oh, so right.
>baseball has never looked better or felt more magical. the
>stadium recreations (ebbets, forbes) are jaw-dropping.
>another really good baseball flick 61* did this really well on
>an HBO budget, but 42 takes it to another level. they put
>real hollywood money behind the eye candy here. visually and
>aesthetically, as good as the movies have ever done it.
>
>- chadwick boseman is a movie star. it's too early for me to
>start a career agenda (right?), but there are flashes of a
>young pre-glory denzel here. a natural charisma mixed with
>just the right amount of gravitas. in lesser hands, i could
>see 42's robinson being a bit too saint-like. boseman gives
>the character humanity, vulnerability, and heart. and good
>God, does he look like jackie. i mean, it was scary in
>places. and not just in the face, but the way he moved on the
>bases, the way he played baseball-- he really nailed the
>physicality of the role. my complaints earlier that boseman's
>voice was way too deep now seem foolish. he was born to play
>jackie. the scene in the tunnel was award-worthy.
>
>- christopher merloni is not in the mood for this. his
>late-night speech to the team was fantastic. a scene
>stealer.
>
>- loved john c. mcginley as the dodgers announcer.
>
>- nicole beharie. yes. struck the perfect balance of fiery
>without being stereotypical sassy. and her chemistry with
>boseman was electric.

I was wondering how she did and she's been getting a lot of praise for this role.

Folk lightweight sleep on her but she's one to watch (and I hope FOX picks up her pilot for real..)

>- i was wondering throughout the movie why they cast comedic
>actor hamish linklater (new adventures of old christine, for
>the one of you that remember that show) as one of the dodger
>teammates. then came the shower scene. lol, oh, man, did it
>take guts to go down that road. hilarious, but it all
>could've easily gone very wrong and didn't thanks to linklater
>and boseman.


you know, Hamish has grown on me. He really has.

>- harrison ford's voice and mannerisms are definitely jarring
>at first. you get used to it. and he's actually kind of
>great in a few scenes. and a big, huge credit to helgeland
>for not turning this into the branch rickey story, which many,
>many people in hollywood would have done. no, this is a movie
>about jackie robinson that thankfully is about jackie
>robinson.
>
>- PITTSBURGH! hahaahahaahaa! yeah. i get why they made it
>the running joke, but the reality is that maybe no city in
>america has a richer baseball history. honus wagner, cool
>papa bell, josh gibson, buck leonard, ralph kiner, bill
>mazeroski, roberto clemente, willie stargell, barry bonds.
>it's a crime what major league baseball let it become.
>
>- some of the kid stuff was cheesy. whatever. i mean, you
>have to have the inspired wide-eyed kid in the movie. you
>have to. it's a rule for movies like this. but it could've
>been done better.
>
>- for people wishing this was grittier, i guess they could've
>dialed up the racism or something, and i'm sure there's a
>stack of those stories out there, but then it's not a movie
>you can take the family to. i thought they really struck a
>great balance between giving a taste of what robinson went
>through without getting... well, as dark as things probably
>got. when rickey pulled out the drawer of hate mail/death
>threats and said the FBI was on the case, i thought of guys
>like bonds and griffey jr. who had their own drawers, 50 years
>later.
>
>- #1 at the box office, $27 million opening weekend, highest
>opening ever for a baseball movie, stunning total for a
>biopic. they really did this right, and it deserves to be
>seen. not just for the quality of the subject, but the
>quality of the film. a worthy tribute.
>
>post script: the jackie robinson story (the 1950 biopic
>starring jackie as himself and ruby dee as rae) is streaming
>free on youtube. ashamed to say i haven't seen it. my next
>stop:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx3CKICWTrQ


I wasn't checking for this, but i'm curious based on your review and I'm not a fan of baseball. But, given that this made nearly 28 million this weekend for a biopic and a sports biopic at that?

color me intrigued and checking for it during the weekend matinee this coming weekend.

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52. "My Son went with one of his classmates and loved it."
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55. "fact-checking 42-- aka plea copping for racists (long swipe)"
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long, but really fascinating article fact-checking 42's portrayal of its villains. short version is that the movie is accurate. the writer of this article though is concerned that the film's villains will be branded as racists, even though many came to later regret (or in some cases, very shallowly reflect on) their actions towards robinson. case in point, ben chapman, the phillies manager who spit a steady stream of 'cism at robinson on the field, as an old man made some colored friends and went to a school to talk to black kids about stuff. so...

but, yeah, really, really fascinating read. lots of great baseball history here.


http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/4/16/4225630/jackie-robinson-movie-42-villains

"42" - A Rogues Gallery
By Rob Neyer on Apr 16 2013, 3:55p

I don't know about you, but when I see a movie that's based on some actual historical event, I just can't wait to get home afterward and consult Wikipedia to see what really happened. If the truth doesn't quite match the movie ... well, let me give you an odd example.

One of my favorite movies last year was actually a documentary, Searching for Sugar Man. It's about a Dylanesque singer-songwriter who made a couple of really good records in the early 1970s. Nobody cared much, though, and the artist, a Detroiter named Sixto Rodriguez, gave up the music business and just did a bunch of other things for a few decades. Unbeknownst to him, his records were huge hits in South Africa. Finally, some enterprising South African fans found Rodriguez, and brought him to the country for a series of triumphant concerts.

In the movie, there is a period of approximately 30 years in which Rodriguez has zero success as a musician, and has no idea that anyone in the world cares about his music. It's a great story.

It's just not completely true. Rodriguez's records were also beloved in Australia, and he toured there in 1979 and 1981. Which the movie doesn't mention at all.

Filmmakers must make innumerable choices. Picasso supposedly defined art as "a lie that tells the truth," and there's undoubtedly plenty of truth in Searching for Sugar Man. As for the truth ... well, that's something that only you, with whichever facts you care to marshal, may judge.

The new movie about Jackie Robinson tells many lies, as all such movies do. The great majority of people who see 42 will assume that it's telling the truth, because the great majority of viewers won't bother to marshal any facts that would suggest anything else.

I don't actually want to get into all the lies today. I do want to write about 42's villains, and there are more than a few.

There are plenty of anonymous villains -- the filling-station attendant, the desk agent at the New Orleans airport, the sheriff in Florida, the fan in the stands who sets a terrible example for his son -- all of whom typify the sort of casual racism that Jackie Robinson and millions of others faced every damn day in that era. I will note that most of these incidents are rooted in specific things that really happened to Robinson, or were said to have happened.

But the movie also features some distinctly non-anonymous villains; none of them are alive today, but most of them probably have descendants walking among us, and I think it's worth telling a bit more of their stories. So I'd like to run through those I can remember, roughly in the order in which they show up.

Clay Hopper
Hopper was Jackie's first manager in Organized Baseball, with the Montreal Royals. Hopper was from Mississippi, and not favorably disposed toward African-Americans. His complaint in the movie to Branch Rickey is rooted in fact; so is Rickey's no-nonsense response. It's clear in the movie that Hopper grows to respect Robinson over the course of their season together, but there's no time in the movie for much about that actual season, in which Robinson played brilliantly and the Royals won the Little World Series. At the conclusion of the Royals' victory over the Louisville Colonels in that series, Robinson would later write, Hopper came to him, held out his hand and said, "You're a great ballplayer and a fine gentleman. It's been wonderful having you on the team."

Ben Chapman
Chapman, the Phillies' manager in '47, will forever be famous for hurling a stream of racially inflected invective toward Jackie when the Phillies first visited Brooklyn. Chapman was so rough that it actually became a big story that embarrassed the Phillies. When the Dodgers visited Philadelphia, Chapman sent a request to the visitors' clubhouse: Would Robinson pose for a photo with Chapman, for the benefit of the press? The result was this famous image, which is replicated in 42.

Which isn't to suggest that Chapman, from Alabama, had changed his attitude. Freddy Schmidt, who pitched for the Phillies, later recalled that as Chapman and Robinson parted, Chapman said, "Jackie, you know, you're a good ballplayer, but you're still a nigger to me."

This would be Ben Chapman's legacy: a pretty good player turned failed manager who will symbolize forever the broad-based resistance, among the other teams. Which is fair, to a point. Hey, somebody has to take the hit. But it's worth remembering that Chapman was not alone. It's also worth remembering that lives continue, and Ben Chapman's continued for another 46 years.

In 1985, Chapman managed in an old-timer's game at Birmingham's ancient Rickwood Field. The other team's manager was Piper Davis, a great Negro League player. My friend Allen Barra was there, and wrote that after the game, Chapman and Davis "laughed and slapped each other on the back. I was surprised, to say the least."

Several years later, while working on a book on Rickwood Field, I asked the former owner of the Birmingham Barons, Art Clarkson, about that night. "All I can say," he told me, "is that Ben really was a different man in his later years—he acknowledged the error of his old ways. I remember telling him that I was going out to a school in a black neighborhood to talk to kids about baseball, and he volunteered to go along. He talked to the kids and really seemed to enjoy it. To tell you the truth, I don't think he had had the opportunity to do something like that before. I think he discovered something in himself that he didn't know was there."

Well, as my mother used to say, just when you think you know someone. Chapman died in 1993, age 84. Because of the success of 42—its opening weekend was the highest of any baseball movie ever—the Ben Chapman portrayed in the movie will certainly define his image in baseball history. And that's fair. But it's just possible that near the end of his life Chapman did change—or as we say today, he evolved. At least some people who knew him in his later years thought he did, and I think it's fair, also, that in some tiny corner of baseball history that Ben Chapman is be remembered as well.

Well said. I will also note in passing that Ben Chapman was an exceptionally handsome fellow. The actor who plays him in 42 isn't bad-looking at all ... but while in most cases the casting director clearly looked for actors who bear real likeness to their characters, it seems pretty clear to me that a different priority was used when casting Chapman.

Herb Pennock
Pennock, who won 240 games as an American League pitcher, took over as general manager of the Phillies in 1944; that same year, he changed the name of the team to BLUE JAYS (though not wholeheartedly, as PHILLIES continued to appear across the front of the club's jerseys). Over the next few years, Pennock would acquire many of the players who would later compose the pennant-winning Whiz Kids of 1950.

In 1947, though, he called Branch Rickey and said that if the Dodgers showed up in Philadelphia with Jackie Robinson, the possibility of race riots at the ballpark would force the Phillies to forfeit. Of course, Rickey -- and this is in the movie, too -- called his bluff, and the games in Philadelphia would go off without a hitch, as they would everywhere else around the National League.

Pennock would not be around to enjoy the fruits of his team-building efforts. In 1948, just a few weeks before the start of spring training, Pennock collapsed in New York City, dead of a cerebral hemorrhage; he was only 53. The Phillies would be the last National League team to integrate, a full decade after Jackie Robinson's arrival.

Enos Slaughter
Later in the movie, Jackie's stretching for a throw at first base and is spiked badly by St. Louis Cardinals outfielder Enos Slaughter (naturally, a Southerner). In the movie, Jackie needs eight stitches and makes it clear afterward that Slaughter spiked him deliberately. In real life, Jackie wasn't injured badly enough to leave the game; also in real life, he'd been spiked by another Cardinal two days earlier and badly gashed on the foot.

At the time, Slaughter said, "I've never deliberately spiked anyone in my life. Anybody who does, don't belong in baseball." One of Jackie's teammates said, "How in the hell could Slaughter hit him way up on the side of the leg like that unless he meant to do it?"

Some decades later, Slaughter penned an obscure autobiography, and devoted more than a page to this incident. A snippet:

Now, if you are covering second base, it's okay to have your foot square in the middle of the bag, because on a close play the runner has to slide. But, it's a different situation at first. Anyway, the throw to Robinson was low. He had to step forward to scoop up the throw, and when he stepped back on the base for the putout, his foot was right in the middle of the bag... I had always played by the rule that the basepaths belong to the runner, and I don't believe I have to apologize for not making an exception to this for anyone. On this occasion, my spikes clipped his ankle.

Robinson wasn't seriously injured. In fact, he didn't even leave the game. I didn't really think a whole lot about it at the time because I knew that Robinson wasn't hurt. When Kurowski homered to end the game in the 12th, I went to the locker room happy.

Soon, though, I was angry. It was the trash that some writers put into their accounts of this so-called "incident" that made my blood boil. They claimed I had spiked Robinson deliberately...

Now, I'd spiked a lot of guys that I hadn't intended to because they had left their foot blocking the basepaths. The color of Robinson's skin was the farthest thing from my mind while I was trying to beat out the low throw to first base. Still, it was claimed that I had cut Robinson because he was black.

Aside from this passage, Slaughter has very little to say about Robinson or black players generally, except to mention that he knows absolutely nothing about the Cardinals' supposed threat of a strike in 1947, in response to integration. Slaughter did manage Billy Williams in the minors, and describes Williams as "a quiet young man who often got homesick... After all those great years he ended up having for the Cubs, I was glad to see the writers finally vote him into the Hall of Fame."

Slaughter coached at Duke for a few years, but spent most of his last few decades farming tobacco back home in North Carolina.

The Petitioneers
There's a fantastic scene in 42, by all accounts generally authentic, wherein manager Leo Durocher, clad in his bathrobe, hauls his players out of bed and tells them in no uncertain terms that if Jackie Robinson is good enough to help the club win the pennant and make some extra money then by God he's going to play.

This incident comes after a number of Dodgers, most (but not all) from the South, begin to make some noises about refusing to play with a black teammate. In the movie, there's a petition; in real life, it's not abundantly clear that an actual petition ever existed. But star outfielder Dixie "The People's Cherce" Walker did write a letter to Branch Rickey, and it's clear that some of his teammates felt the same way, most notably South Carolina's Kirby Higbe and Texas's Bobby Bragan. Oh, and non-Southerner Carl Furillo, too. At least by some accounts.

Ultimately, Walker, Higbe, and Bragan asked to be traded. Rickey accommodated Higbe -- the Dodgers' leading pitcher in '46 -- later in the season. Rickey traded Walker to the Pirates after the season, and got quite a nice haul in return. And Bragan would stick around, later enjoying a long career in baseball as a manager in the majors and the minors.

When Robinson opened the '47 season with the Dodgers, Bragan wanted nothing to do with him. From Bragan's excellent autobiography:

We took trains on road trips in those days, and you spent more time with your teammates. I would say Jackie was immediately accepted by most of his teammates, maybe 20 out of 25. Pee Wee Reese, who was from Kentucky, was a close friend of Jackie's from the beginning. But the five of us who'd been called in by Mr. Rickey kept our distance. Oh, I wasn't belligerent. I didn't call Jackie names or insult him in that way. I respected his ability, and it was clear to me like it was to everyone else that he was the best player we had. But on those first train rides I can guarantee you I wasn't going to sit at the same dining table with Jackie or even have a conversation with him...

Jackie put on his uniform, that old flannel uniform we used to wear, and I saw he had number 42. My number, reversed. Somehow, even that stung me a little.

But before long, Bragan came to like and respect Robinson, and the two became friends.

I always say that of all the people I've known in baseball, I respect Branch Rickey the most. Oh, I had great admiration for Leo Durocher and Whitlow Wyatt and many more, but above all there was Branch Rickey. I'd have to put Jackie up there on top with him. Mr. Rickey was a genius, and Jackie Robinson is the best proof of that genius. Thanks to the two of them, I was able to overcome my racial prejudice.

Here's what Kirby Higbe wrote in his memoir:

We didn't have anything personal against Jackie Robinson or any other Negro. As Southerners who had played ball up North for several years, we had heard a lot of talk about how we abused and mistreated Negroes down South, and we knew we never had. We had never had any race riots or trouble with Negroes in my neck of the woods down South, but I had seen and heard of plenty of trouble in Detroit, New York, and St. Louis.

Higbe opened the season with the Dodgers, of course, but continued to make it clear that he wasn't happy.

I got more than a thousand letters from people down South calling me a nigger-lover, wanting to know why was playing ball with a nigger, telling me I ought to quit playing baseball and come home rather than play with a nigger, etc. Those letters didn't have any effect on my decision. In fact, I wrote a few of the people back and told them I would be glad to quit and come back if they could get me a job where I could make as good a living as I was making playing ball on the same club with Jackie Robinson. I never got an offer.

If I could have looked ahead and seen all the change that was coming, I think I still would have done what I did. I was brought up a Southerner, and I was brought up to stand by what you said and believed in even if you were the last one standing there.

Higbe would be traded to Pittsburgh just a few weeks after the season, and after '47 his arm was largely dead. Later he led a checkered life, which including being convicted of smuggling pills to prisoners while working as a guard. He does say some complimentary things about Jackie Robinson in his book, but saves his kindest words for another ...

I think there was one man who did more for the future Negro ballplayers than Jackie did, and that was Roy Campanella. He was next to Jackie as a competitor, but Roy showed baseball and all the Negroes that came after that you could be a competitor and a gentleman at the same time.

I was in New York a few years ago and went out to see Roy. It breaks your heart to see a big strong man like that sitting in a wheelchair, almost helpless. But he was in good spirits and didn't complain about the bad break that paralyzed him for life and cut his great career short. Baseball cannot possibly forget the big man.

As for Walker, he never wrote a memoir; nor, as near as I can tell, was he ever interviewed at length before his death in 1982. There's nothing here in my library, anyway. And the fact that Rickey traded him after the '47 season has always been submitted as proof of Walker's continuing prejudice. However, it might just be more proof that Rickey was a shrewd judge of talent, as Walker's major-league career ended just two years later.

According to Roger Kahn's book, The Era, Walker wanted out of Brooklyn because he thought having a black teammate would hurt his business back home. Many years later, he told Kahn, "That's why I started that thing. It was the dumbest thing I ever did in my life. Would you tell everybody that I'm deeply sorry?"

It does seem that almost everyone closely associated with Jackie Robinson came to respect and admire him. And that most of those who were initially so resistant to playing with him later came to regret it.

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56. "if this were the 90's and not a big budget film"
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then they wouldve had the white women, alcoholism, gambling problems etc...but this was made for baseball lovers and to get younger kids to know more about what Jackie did for black people and baseball rather than focus on the negatives here. I aint mad at that at all.

the baseball scenes, uniforms, recreations of the stadiums are just breathtaking.

  

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61. "you know i was kidding about this stuff, right?"
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>the white women, alcoholism, gambling problems etc...

i can't tell if i'm missing your sarcasm or you missed mine. but, nah, jackie did none of that. i was making fun of the people who were complaining that the robinson character in the film was too noble and the story too straightforward.

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59. "Campy but relatively honest. Fun and enjoyable. Well done. "
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This was enjoyable and honest by most accounts.

I enjoyed it.


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60. "Yeah, I dug it too. "
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Hit all the right spots. Everyone did their job. Nothing to dislike, really.

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67. "basically"
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62. "one of my homies had a part as one of the negro league players"
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enjoyed it. And was surprised when the audience clapped afterwards.

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66. "fluff..."
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..i had to double check to make sure that this wasn't a disney film

while i understand the amount of respect & admiration bestowed upon the legacy of jackie robinson, this movie was about as bland as you can possibly imagine. during an era that was ripe with the tension of racism & segregation, this film failed to capture anything remotely close to the dangerous atmosphere that existed.

this was the softer side of sears.

while the threat of action/violence was tossed around (the clan "threat" and the letters), not ONCE did they actually show any true sense of danger. the physical threats he faced were mostly resigned to the field, and even that was mostly shown through slurs and bigotry.

the dialogue was boring. in true robinson fashion, perhaps the best way to describe this film is:

safe.


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69. "Strongly disagree"
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>while i understand the amount of respect & admiration bestowed
>upon the legacy of jackie robinson, this movie was about as
>bland as you can possibly imagine. during an era that was ripe
>with the tension of racism & segregation, this film failed to
>capture anything remotely close to the dangerous atmosphere
>that existed.

That scene with the Phillie's manager is one of the most difficult
scenes to watch in recent Hollywood memory....tell me the last
time a movie that did as well as 42 had a scene that fucked with
you that bad

That was an honest scene that made EVERYONE's skin crawl

Sorry, you're wrong here



>this was the softer side of sears.
>
>while the threat of action/violence was tossed around (the
>clan "threat" and the letters), not ONCE did they actually
>show any true sense of danger. the physical threats he faced
>were mostly resigned to the field, and even that was mostly
>shown through slurs and bigotry.

That's because Jackie Robinson was actually much, much, much
much safer than your average black person overall

The biggest threats were psychological and emotional

And he's a hero, not because he dodged Klan mobs and assassination
attempts

but because he stood up to the consistent PSYCHOLOGICAL threats, which
are often MORE difficult to evade than the threat of physical violence

Think about it

The film captured those

>the dialogue was boring. in true robinson fashion, perhaps the
>best way to describe this film is:
>
>safe.

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