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wallysmith
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""Shut and take my money, HBO!" (swipe)"


  

          

http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/shut-up-and-take-my-money-hbo-website-pushes-for-standalone-hbo-streaming-service/

Shut up and take my money, HBO: Website pushes for standalone HBO streaming service

JUNE 5, 2012 BY ANDREW COUTS

Take My Money, HBO!, a new website, launches viral campaign for a standalone HBO streaming service.

Newly launched website TakeMyMoneyHBO.com wants to send HBO a clear message: We love your shows. We’re willing to pay to watch them upon release. Now please, for the love of Winterfell, give us a way to do that — without forcing a cable subscription down our throats.

The site allows visitors to tweet how much money they would be willing to spend on a standalone, streaming HBO service; like Netflix, but with Game of Thrones. An outpouring of tweets using the hashtag #takemymoneyhbo flows forth from the middle of the website’s homepage. A brief look at the tweets show a steady string of $10s and $15s and a surprising number or $20s. Quite a few $9s and $8s and $7s, too. There’s the stray $5 or $4 here and there. But an inadequately brief and mathematical measure of the proposed fees shows that a stand-alone HBO service would be worth more than all of Netflix to a majority of tech-savvy, Twitter-using fans, at the very least.

Website designer and creator of Take My Money, HBO! Jake Caputo says that he raked in “1,300+” visits in one hour after launch, 12,000 within two hours, and 21,000 after three hours. Despite this, Caputo says he didn’t specifically intend to launch a viral campaign.

“I was just hoping to get HBO’s attention, and I never thought it’d get this much traffic,” he tweeted. So far, HBO has not yet responded to fans’ wave of requests.

Of course, HBO does offer a streaming service of sorts through its HBO Go app. Unfortunately, access to this service requires an HBO subscription, which in turn requires a costly cable subscription — unless, as Caputo notes on the site, you simply use your friend’s login to get your dose of HBO show goodness, a practice HBO surely despises.

Caputo’s efforts come amidst news that the HBO series Game of Thrones is destined to become the most-pirated show of 2012 — as well as a growing resentment toward the current Hollywood distribution system and legislative efforts that recklessly seek to maintain its status quo.

While Caputo’s message-spreading technique is new, the idea of Take My Money, HBO! is not. In March, cartoonist and computer programmer Matthew Inman, creator of The Oatmeal, summed up the widely-echoed problems with HBO’s current business model perfectly in one of his Web-only comic strips. This was followed by a forceful piece by Forbes contributor Erik Kain, who argued that “HBO only has itself to blame” for getting reamed by online piracy.

“…HBO is missing out on a huge potential audience by limiting themselves to cable TV subscribers,” writes Kain. “I don’t blame the company for keeping their shows off of Hulu or Netflix, but offering HBO GO as a stand-alone service could put a serious dent in these piracy numbers, and bring in a lot more legitimate viewers to shows like Game of Thrones.”

Unfortunately for everyone, HBO co-president Eric Kessler essentially shot down all possibility of a standalone HBO service during an interview with Will Richmond of Video Nuze last December. Kessler indicated that HBO has not been hurt by piracy, has no plans to launch a standalone streaming service. He asserts that the premium channel’s exclusivity remains one of its most vital assets.

Watch the whole interview below. (Waring: It’s 40 minutes long — but well worth your time. For a shorter, more candid explanation, see here.)

For those of us on the consumer side of this debate, a fundamental switch to a la carte TV seems inevitable — it’s what we want; give it to us. At this point,however, Caputo remains humble about the giant elephant he just pointed out in HBO’s room. When we asked whether he thought there was a chance in hell that HBO would launch the service so many wish for, Caputo had a simple answer: “Probably not,” he wrote, “but I hope so!”

  

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lol @ this horrible idea
Jun 06th 2012
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I'm nowhere near as fervent as the supporters of this...
Jun 06th 2012
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      There's a huge spike in torrents domestically too.
Jun 06th 2012
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           I'm never going to deny torrenting happens...
Jun 06th 2012
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                I don't think HBO cares about a broader audience
Jun 06th 2012
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                     Here's a useful article:
Jun 06th 2012
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                     I heard s2e10 was the highest rated episode ever, too
Jun 06th 2012
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                     Great article...
Jun 07th 2012
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                     It's not about the broader audience.
Jun 07th 2012
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                          if you think this you're a fucking idiot
Jun 07th 2012
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No matter how many people say they will pay for HBO separately
Jun 06th 2012
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"Kessler indicated that HBO has not been hurt by piracy..."
Jun 06th 2012
9
boom
Jun 07th 2012
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Honestly, that's totally their stance.
Jun 07th 2012
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It's an either or proposition
Jun 07th 2012
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      Excellent point, can't deny that at all.
Jun 07th 2012
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lol i'm dying.
Jun 07th 2012
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They haven't been hurt, really.
Jun 07th 2012
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      pirating = marketing
Jun 07th 2012
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The tone of this "movement" isn't going to help
Jun 07th 2012
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I could be wrong..
Jun 07th 2012
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      I'm just referring to "Shut up and take our money.."
Jun 07th 2012
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anyone who seriously entertains this is a moron
Jun 07th 2012
22
They aren't going to go and lower the value of HBO
Jun 07th 2012
24
A simple breakdown of why this makes no sense for HBO
Jun 08th 2012
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yeah, I gotta agree with everyone else
Jun 08th 2012
26
Yup. They would have to do what NFL network does.
Jun 10th 2012
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While I admit this could never happen
Jun 10th 2012
28
Test run?
Aug 30th 2012
29
no, I lived in Denmark, their media access is pretty weird
Aug 30th 2012
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      Hey, makes sense to me.
Aug 30th 2012
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           they already do wildly different stuff in other places
Aug 30th 2012
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                "Wildly different" still means attachment to some sort of carrier though...
Aug 31st 2012
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New York Magazine has a great article on this
Sep 01st 2012
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HBO CEO mulls teaming with broadband partners for HBO GO (swipe)
Mar 21st 2013
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am I missing much on HBO Go? I pay for HBO on my cable
Mar 22nd 2013
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      Not really, unless you want to check out older seasons/shows.
Mar 22nd 2013
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Frank Longo
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1. "lol @ this horrible idea"
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Hey, keep making super expensive and interesting shows and movies, but destroy your business model based on exclusivity that has gotten you to this place of industry success!

This will never happen.

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3. "I'm nowhere near as fervent as the supporters of this..."
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but I do question HBO's decision to not even entertain the thought of opening streaming as a revenue stream. There are literally entire countries that have zero legit access to HBO content that always show a huge spike in torrents every time an episode of Game of Thrones comes out.

No question HBO is absolutely successful doing what they're doing now, and disrupting that business model (undoubtedly pissing off the cable providers) would be foolish. But not even trying to tap into potential markets seems like needlessly leaving a ton of money on the table.

  

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Frank Longo
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4. "There's a huge spike in torrents domestically too."
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Torrenting happens.

Messing with your working formula is still far more unwise.

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5. "I'm never going to deny torrenting happens..."
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but the existence of the website shows that people are willing to pay a reasonably amount for content if it means the service is convenient and valuable (Spotify, Hulu+, Netflix, etc.)

Cutting off an entire revenue stream without exploring potential business models seems a bit premature.

  

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6. "I don't think HBO cares about a broader audience"
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they care about profit margins. I have absolutely no idea what the #s on something like that is (and with this net stuff, I think the truth is that absolutely no one has any idea what that is), but what Frank said is correct -- HBO is holding on to a profitable model where they cash in via cable companies + DVD sales. the fact that internet piracy is increasing doesn't mean they need to re-invent their revenue stream.

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7. "Here's a useful article:"
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It explains why they don't need Game of Thrones to be viewed by more people and why exclusivity and ownership of property creates profit.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2012/03/game_of_thrones_how_hbo_and_showtime_make_money_despite_low_ratings_.html

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-long-and-late-movie-show/id498789655

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8. "I heard s2e10 was the highest rated episode ever, too"
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people wanna front like "oh I'll watch it when I get the torrent / it shows up on DVD," but when they create a real buzz with a show like that, folks find a way to get in front of a TV so they can be in on the "in" thing, too.

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12. "Great article..."
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but it doesn't really address why they *don't* look into streaming models.

What's wild about HBO's stance is that they already have the streaming model built out... yet they have zero inclination to leverage it fully, despite people building websites asking to give them money.

The article mentions "premium networks are in the business of selling subscriptions." Why not tow that line while also pulling in customers at the margins? For example, for customers without cable... say they sign up for an HBO account but have to designate what cable carrier is in their area (even if they don't have an account). Offer them HBO GO at, say, $8 a month. Split the revenue 75/25 with that particular cable provider in that area. Then give that customer an offer... if they sign up with that cable provider for one year, they get HBO for free for that year. Then instead of splitting HBO Go revenue, the cable provider can pay HBO their normal half cut for an HBO subscription (which is fine for them since they get a customer that signs up for cable tv). Cable companies have these types of deals all the time for new customers, so it wouldn't be anything new.

I'm not saying that's an end-all, be-all solution, but it's an off-the-top-of-my-head way to draw customers in while also providing incentives for their lucrative cable partners at all levels.

Honestly, from the comments that HBO brass has been giving, it just sounds like they're dinosaurs that prefer staying in their comfort zone vs leveraging the technology that exists nowadays.

Edit: And for the counterargument of "what if people become cable cutters and just sign up for HBO Go?"

Sure, that's definitely possible. However, I would venture that the demographic that was willing to pay $50/month for cable plus $15/month JUST for HBO is going to be very, very small compared to the demographic that would pay a monthly fee for a streaming HBO service.

  

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11. "It's not about the broader audience."
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... nor is it about piracy. It's estimated that something like 25 million worldwide viewers (on par with the Super Bowl) watch GoT each week. Exposure isn't the question... it's about providing a paid option to those who want to pay.

You mention profit margins... what about exploring a business model that doesn't disrupt cable companies and/or DVD sales?

That business model is online streaming... and the infrastructure for HBO GO is already in place. The distribution model would have to be creative, but there is a *huge* untapped market out there that they're simply disregarding. HBO only gets half of each subscriber's monthly payment to cable companies yet a streaming model would mean they get 100% of that payment from the consumer (or share this revenue with the cable companies to maintain a healthy relationship).

No one's saying that HBO is struggling with their current business model, but if people are clamoring to GIVE THEM MONEY... then that means they're leaving money on the table.

  

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23. "if you think this you're a fucking idiot"
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>>>No one's saying that HBO is struggling with their current business model, but if people are clamoring to GIVE THEM MONEY... then that means they're leaving money on the table.




more people would buy big macs if big macs cost a penny.

mcdonalds doesn't charge a penny, because they'd be fucking losing money if they did.

THEY ARE NOT LEAVING MONEY ON THE FUCKING TABLE YOU FUCK.

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2. "No matter how many people say they will pay for HBO separately"
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The total dollar amount is small compared to the amount of money HBO gets from the cable companies to not distribute any other way.

HBO will not do this.

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9. ""Kessler indicated that HBO has not been hurt by piracy...""
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Sounds like a license to pirate to me! In order to sue you for infringement, they have to establish damages, they just admitted they have not been hurt. Get your download on.

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10. "boom"
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13. "Honestly, that's totally their stance. "
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Evidenced by their laissez-faire attitude with people sharing HBO Go passwords:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/arts/television/seeing-girls-and-other-hbo-shows-with-hbo-go.html

The issue here isn't piracy really though... it's just leaving a large untapped market out there without exploring their options.

  

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15. "It's an either or proposition"
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If I couldn't borrow a HBO Go password, I'd just torrent Game of Thrones. Letting people borrow passwords just ups their view numbers.

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16. "Excellent point, can't deny that at all."
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14. "lol i'm dying."
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i'm out.
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18. "They haven't been hurt, really."
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The more people watch Game of Thrones, the more people wanna talk about it, the more people wanna watch it the night it airs, the more people who have the money subscribe. There's an argument to be made that it helps their business for people that can't afford HBO subscription to simply pirate it or watch with their friends.

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19. "pirating = marketing"
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But nobody ever wants to talk about that...

>The more people watch Game of Thrones, the more people wanna
>talk about it, the more people wanna watch it the night it
>airs, the more people who have the money subscribe. There's an
>argument to be made that it helps their business for people
>that can't afford HBO subscription to simply pirate it or
>watch with their friends.

  

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17. "The tone of this "movement" isn't going to help"
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Is it?

I mean "ignore your model that's worked thus far, and give me what I want instead ..." is akin to some kind temper tantrum at the end of the day ...

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but that shit's stupid though.

  

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20. "I could be wrong.."
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.. but I don't think the tone is 'either/or'... it's more "you already have a streaming service, why not expand it to us?"

In other words, no one is asking HBO to abandon a highly successful business model... just explore other options to get it to more people.

  

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21. "I'm just referring to "Shut up and take our money..""
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specifically, the shut up part, which would seem to imply that their current stance has no validity ...

I'm reminded of the old adage about attracting flies ... and also that I could never figure out why anyone would want to attract flies in the first place.

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but that shit's stupid though.

  

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22. "anyone who seriously entertains this is a moron"
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you're getting trolled for pageviews dumbasses.

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24. "They aren't going to go and lower the value of HBO"
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HBO and cable have a mutually beneficial agreement. Cable companies pay HBO to have them on their systems and cable benefits by having HBO as one more enticement to get cable.

HBO "could" offer HBO to go, but if they actually did the numbers and added in the benefits that they get from being on cable stations, the cost per month for an HBO subscription per month would be waaayyyyy more than $15 dollars a month.

The biggest thing about HBO is that they don't want to lower the value of their product by offering less than what they deem its worth.

HBO is not stupid. Trust, they have had people look into offering HBO separately. If they felt they could make more money offering it separately, they would do so and something tells me people aren't going to shell out $40 a month for HBO

  

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25. "A simple breakdown of why this makes no sense for HBO"
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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/06/3-very-simple-reasons-why-you-cant-get-hbo-go-exclusively/258209/

HBO Prints money for TW, and pirating is just the cost of doing business of every content producer. Ain't changing any time soon.



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26. "yeah, I gotta agree with everyone else"
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this shit is stupid. offering the same HBO content for a discount only undercuts their own model. and these people saying they would pay $8-$15 for HBO streaming are flat out lying -- they're gonna torrent the shit regardless.

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27. "Yup. They would have to do what NFL network does."
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NFL Network allows online streaming of NFL Sunday Ticket if you can provide documented proof that it is impossible for you to get the correct service or equipment to subscribe.

It doesn't sound like it would be worth it to HBO to go to all that trouble, though.

>this shit is stupid. offering the same HBO content for a
>discount only undercuts their own model. and these people
>saying they would pay $8-$15 for HBO streaming are flat out
>lying -- they're gonna torrent the shit regardless.


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28. "While I admit this could never happen"
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(at least not anytime soon), I STILL haven't seen the eighth season of Curb. I really wish something could be done about that (apart from me paying for all the other shit HBO airs). I'm too old for torrents.

  

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29. "Test run?"
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But to further clarify my position... like I said above, there are entire countries without access to HBO. It's odd that they have some sort of infrastructure to hit those countries, but weren't pursuing a business plan to do so.

I have no problems with them protecting their partnerships with U.S. cable companies, but at least this shows that they're willing to tap into other markets with a logical business model.

And at the end of the day if it means more money for HBO, then it means better shows for us.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118058484

HBO cuts the cord for international launch
Nordic region won't need pay-TV subscription to get net
By ANDREW WALLENSTEIN

HBO's 'Game of Thrones'

HBO will make the Nordic region the first market where its programming will be available to consumers without requiring that they have a pay-TV subscription. The move sets HBO up to go head to head in competition in those countries with Netflix.
Unveiled in a press conference Thursday in Stockholm, HBO Nordic AB will launch in mid-October. The pay-TV network disclosed its plans earlier this month to move into Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark via a joint venture with Parsifal Intl. The announcement came less than 24 hours after rival service Netflix made its own plans in the country known, though the streaming service has specified only that its launch will be before year-end.

In addition to the standalone launch of HBONordic.com, HBO Nordic AB will be available for less than 10 euros per month or as an add-on to basic pay-TV subscriptions in the region. Netflix has yet to reveal its pricing in the four countries.

An HBO spokesman made clear that this launch does not reflect a strategic change for the company in any of its current markets. "Each market is unique and HBO approaches each one with what we consider to believe the best business model specific to that territory."

The announcement marks a major shift for HBO's traditional business model, which has always required paying a monthly surcharge for a linear channel on top of a basic subscription to cable, satellite and telco providers. Even in other markets outside the U.S., HBO has either pursued that business model or simply licensed its programming to existing networks. HBO does have a standalone digital product active in Poland, but it is rather small.

What's different this time around is that Scandinavia is a market where HBO doesn't have to protect an entrenched business model as lucrative as the one in the U.S., where a standalone product would jeopardize its deals with distributors from Comcast to DirecTV. HBO's digital offshoot, HBO Go, has been available only to current HBO subscribers -- a decision that has drawn plenty of criticism in the blogosphere.

HBO is also eyeing competition from Netflix, which has executed the very business model the pay-TV giant hasn't been able to pull off until now. The service has been ramping up outside North America over the past year in several European countries including the U.K. and Ireland.

While much has been made of the HBO-Netflix rivalry, the Nordic market will mark the first territory where they collide with similar products. Netflix CEO Reed Hastings made light of the competition in a post on his Facebook page on Tuesday.

"Excited to see HBO join us in offering standalone streaming service in Scandinavia...what about the USA? We thought the first match-up would be in Albania."

The Albania reference is a call-back to a 2010 jab Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes took at Netflix, likening the hype around the Los Gatos, Calif.-based streaming service to the Albanian army "taking over the world."

Direct competition from HBO could prove problematic for Netflix, which is looking to international sub growth as a means of financing its massive content costs. Both companies won't have the market to themselves either, given News Corp.-owned Sky and Amazon-owned LoveFilm are already there.

While a population of just 25 million, Scandinavia also has a young affluent market and mature broadband infrastructure, which is necessary for any major video service launch.

HBO Nordic AB will offer subtitled versions of the same programming available in the U.S., from original hit series like "True Blood" and "Boardwalk Empire" to theatrical content from the Time Warner-owned business' output deals.

HBO Nordic AB will not only offer the same current programming as would be available to HBO linear channel subs, but will also feature content from its rival networks in the U.S., Showtime and Starz, which lack international businesses. That arrangement is common for HBO, which has a bigger international footprint than its domestic reach of just under 30 million.

With over 27 million subs at last count, Netflix has added over 1 million in its first six months in the U.K. The company revealed a total of 3.62 million international subs in its second-quarter earnings report.

HBO has an international presence in over 150 countries, where its network business reaches approximately 60 million subs. Hungary represented HBO's first European market entry in 1991, and the company has spread to Asia and Latin America as well.

HBO Go is available internationally but only to those who purchase the HBO premium channel. While HBONordic.com and HBO Go are similar products, HBO's standalone product in the new countries will not be branded HBO Go.

  

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30. "no, I lived in Denmark, their media access is pretty weird"
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you either go antenna, or you go satellite, and the reason you go satellite is because it's the only way to get more than the very scant offerings of Danish network TV (there's only ~5M people in the whole country). and the point of the satellite is simply to tap into the larger media markets like Germany and France (watched shit tons of Canal+ on the pirate satellte my Danish home had, miss that channel).

so anyway, media access is severely limited, and if you noticed in there, HBO is still offering a pay TV access model (and cable has NOWHERE NEAR the penetration into homes there as it does in the US) as well as the internet access.

anyway, all that to say that they are likely not lying, it's a market-specific solution. their options are to do this in Scandinavia or to let Scandinavia continue to pirate their content in large #s.

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31. "Hey, makes sense to me."
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It's just that Kessler's attitude made it seem like they had zero interest in even the *thought* of pursuing other business models... and yes, even internationally.

That's why I suggested "test run", because an area like Scandinavia poses very little risk to them (because of their unusual distribution). They can work out the infrastructure kinks in an area where they'd be the only distributor of their content.

  

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32. "they already do wildly different stuff in other places"
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in japan iirc you can get hbo shows on hulu for example. it's just not the same.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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33. ""Wildly different" still means attachment to some sort of carrier though..."
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Distributing through Hulu is a great step in the right direction, but Hulu is still technically the "carrier."

The point is that this service in Europe is distinctly the first time they've offered their service directly to consumers online, which was the point of the original article.

Maybe the economics for the U.S. market don't make sense for a streaming-only option, but they make far more sense for countries where carriers don't even have an HBO option.

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-30/entertainment/sns-201208301619reedbusivarietynvr1118058484-20120830_1_current-hbo-subscribers-hbo-netflix-pay-tv

HBO will make the Nordic region the first market where its programming will be available to consumers without requiring that they have a pay-TV subscription. The move sets HBO up to go head to head in competition in those countries with Netflix.

An HBO spokesman made clear that this launch does not reflect a strategic change for the company in any of its current markets. "Each market is unique and HBO approaches each one with what we consider to believe the best business model specific to that territory."

The announcement marks a major shift for HBO's traditional business model, which has always required paying a monthly surcharge for a linear channel on top of a basic subscription to cable, satellite and telco providers. Even in other markets outside the U.S., HBO has either pursued that business model or simply licensed its programming to existing networks. HBO does have a standalone digital product active in Poland, but it is rather small.

What's different this time around is that Scandinavia is a market where HBO doesn't have to protect an entrenched business model as lucrative as the one in the U.S., where a standalone product would jeopardize its deals with distributors from Comcast to DirecTV. HBO's digital offshoot, HBO Go, has been available only to current HBO subscribers -- a decision that has drawn plenty of criticism in the blogosphere.

  

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34. "New York Magazine has a great article on this"
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http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/reasons-why-hbo-doesnt-want-your-money.html

The Reasons Why HBO Doesn’t Want Your Money

By Josef Adalian

The Interweb pretty much had a nervous breakdown when Netflix decided to charge subscribers an extra $8 for its streaming service. But now, wannabe cord-cutters (that's the term for folks who try to get their TV without cable or satellite) are losing their shit because another web-based video service, HBO GO, won't let them pay to subscribe (the service is available only as a fringe benefit to anyone who gets HBO the old-fashioned way). Yesterday, a well-meaning website designer from Illinois created TakeMyMoneyHBO, a website/Twitter meme/battle cry whose intent is to convince the pay cable behemoth that HBO GO should be an à la carte option. Lots of people have visited the site, and tech types are tweeting about it, but here's the hard truth: All the Internet pleading in the world isn't going to convince HBO to blow up its business model, at least not anytime soon.
While it might seem nutty that HBO would turn down the chance to get more people paying for its service — and without having to split subscription fees with cable/satellite operators, as it does now — the logic behind the network's resistance is pretty simple. In the same way NBC and ABC rely on a whole bunch of local stations (a.k.a. "affiliates") to spread their signal across the United States, HBO exists because cable companies distribute, market, and promote the network to their millions of subscribers. Try calling up Time Warner Cable or DirecTV and ordering service: Just as you can't go to a fast-food joint without being asked if you want fries with your order, cable companies relentlessly pitch HBO (and Showtime or Starz) as add-ons to basic levels of service. They might even offer you a few months of HBO free, in the hopes you'll get hooked. If HBO were to suddenly let consumers skip the cable middlemen, said middlemen would rightly be pissed. They'd stop promoting HBO. They might even threaten to stop offering the channel at all.

HBO isn't officially commenting on the Take My Money HBO campaign, though it did acknowledge it via Twitter Wednesday. "Love the HBO love. Keep it up," the network tweeted. The same missive also linked to an article on Tech Crunch, which it says "has it right." But it's not as if HBO execs hadn't been thinking about the issue before this latest flurry of activity. Co-president Eric Kessler pretty much repeated all of what we wrote above late last year at an online conference in New York. According to a transcript of Kessler's remarks put together by writer Dustin Curtis, Kessler explained HBO "benefit tremendously from the existing ecosystem ... There are 60, 70, 80,000 customer service agents on the phone every day, and you know what they're talking about? They're talking about HBO. The affiliate covers that cost. The billing systems. That's the affiliates. If you watch HBO 5 minutes a month or 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, that's not a cost we have ... It's very beneficial to us to keep that transactional machinery going." But couldn't HBO make up some of those losses with direct subscriptions, particularly since it would keep every dollar you spend for the network (instead of sharing that money with cable companies)? Turns out, nope: "We'll gain a little over here , and we'll lose a lot over here , and we think there will not be a net gain, there would be a net loss," the exec said. "So it's really about economics and a business issue."

An article last summer in The Economist laid out the math even more explicitly. Out of roughly 105 million TV homes with cable here in the U.S., the vast majority — 77 million — don't bother to pay for HBO. By contrast, there are just 3 million homes "with broadband connections and reasonable amounts of money but no" cable, the magazine reported. Trying to convince more of those 77 million without HBO to subscribe, while keeping those who already pay for it happy, seems to be a safer bet than trying to satisfy the cord-cutters. (This, despite the heart-tugging New York Times article from last month which detailed the tragic tale of Girls groupies who've had to beg friends and families for passwords to HBO's all-access app because they simply can't afford the cost of a cable subscription. Sniff.)

And yet, there's another stat worth noting: According to Nielsen, the number of TV homes with broadband but no cable jumped nearly 23 percent last year. While still under 5 percent of the overall TV homes, more folks are clearly experimenting with do-it-yourself TV programming. If we ever get anywhere close to a tipping point, where more people decide to give up on monthly cable bills, it's possible those who want to pay for HBO GO by itself will get their wish. Another HBO exec, Bill Nelson, hinted the company is open to change. “Let’s assume that in ten years’ time there has been a significant shift away from multichannel subscriptions,” Nelson said in the Economist article. “In that environment, HBO may reconsider its position.” For now, anyone who can't wait for HBO shows to hit iTunes or DVD will just have to get their fix the old-fashioned way: BitTorrent!

"Capitalism will never fail because socialism will always be there to bail it out." - Ralph Nader

  

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35. "HBO CEO mulls teaming with broadband partners for HBO GO (swipe)"
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/21/hbo-streaming-idUSL1N0CD7WP20130321

(Reuters) - HBO could widen access to its HBO GO online streaming service by teaming up with broadband Internet providers for customers who do not subscribe to a cable TV service, according to HBO's Chief Executive Richard Plepler.

"Right now we have the right model," Plepler told Reuters on Wednesday evening at the Season 3 premiere of HBO's hit TV show "Game of Thrones." "Maybe HBO GO, with our broadband partners, could evolve."

HBO launched HBO GO in 2010 to let subscribers view its shows over the Internet on devices such as Apple Inc's iPads. The service has about 6.5 million registered users, compared with about 29 million for HBO's main service.

However, HBO GO is only accessible for viewers who pay for cable TV service, plus an extra fee for HBO. This means monthly bills of $100 or more typically. HBO GO is available to subscribers of several pay TV companies that provide Internet service such as Time Warner Cable, Comcast and Verizon FiOS

Plepler said late Wednesday that HBO GO could be packaged with a monthly Internet service, in partnership with broadband providers, reducing the cost.

Customers could pay $50 a month for their broadband Internet and an extra $10 or $15 for HBO to be packaged in with that service, for a total of $60 or $65 per month, Plepler explained.

"We would have to make the math work," he added.

HBO, owned by Time Warner Inc, relies on large financial support from its cable and satellite TV partners to help distribute and promote its shows.

Internet-only rivals such as Netflix Inc and Amazon.com Inc are trying to disrupt this approach by delivering original programming directly over the Internet.

This is a challenge to HBO, however it would be a risky step for the company to by-pass its traditional distribution partners, which provide HBO with lucrative subscription fees.

There are billions of dollars generated from HBO's existing distribution network and to simply circumvent that would not make business sense, Plepler said in January, according to the Wall Street Journal.

"Doesn't mean we are not mindful that the problem exists," he added.

  

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36. "am I missing much on HBO Go? I pay for HBO on my cable"
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and DVR the shows/events/movies I wanna see usually.

Is there something worth seeing additional to that I'm missing?

  

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37. "Not really, unless you want to check out older seasons/shows."
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I'm not sure if HBO On Demand varies from different carriers, but at least for me (on Cox) it has a limited number of episodes available for a specific number of shows.

HBO Go has full seasons from pretty much every HBO show ever made.

  

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