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"12 Classics in 2012, March: To Kill a Mockingbird"


  

          

Thanks simpycho for the suggestion.

I know I've reade this before, maybe even twice. Should be fun to read again.

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oh, so thats who janey named her cat after.
Mar 01st 2012
1
you read fast...
Mar 02nd 2012
3
      they spend all this time saying that even going near
Mar 02nd 2012
4
‘Hey, Boo: Harper Lee & To Kill a Mockingbird’
Mar 01st 2012
2
just fnished
Mar 07th 2012
5
I love this quote from her wikipedia page
Mar 09th 2012
7
its like the tool song, i dont want it, i just need it
Mar 13th 2012
8
only just had the tree filled in
Mar 13th 2012
9
This is an excellent book
Mar 09th 2012
6
Man I was too dumb to appreciate this book as kid
Mar 22nd 2012
10
please expound:
Mar 28th 2012
12
      it's weird...it felt like they follow a similar arc
Mar 30th 2012
20
wow...this book is so powerful this time around
Mar 28th 2012
11
Suggestions for April?
Mar 29th 2012
13
go tell it on the mountain by james baldwin
Mar 29th 2012
14
I know nothing about this book
Mar 30th 2012
19
      semi autobiographical novel
Mar 30th 2012
22
a short list:
Mar 29th 2012
15
      i like yr list
Mar 29th 2012
16
           i have no idea if tthat list is good or not...
Mar 29th 2012
17
                All I know is I want an excuse to reread a Vonnegut
Mar 30th 2012
18
                     we should def do stars at some point
Mar 30th 2012
23
love this book
Mar 30th 2012
21
the whole book is minute chapter details
Mar 30th 2012
24
PBS’s ‘Hey, Boo’: The eternal mystery of Harper Lee
Apr 02nd 2012
25

worms
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1. "oh, so thats who janey named her cat after."
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this is another book i read in high school but remember fuck all about. i thought scout was like a baseball scout. and that atticus finch was a bird. i swear to god siddhartha was the only book i actually paid attention to in high school.

harper can write her ass off, cant she? it takes her five chapters to set up that hearing the sound of laughter coming from inside a house can be really disturbing.

lol at the little gentleman boy going from calming the prissy teachers nerves to threatening to murder the no good hillbilly. and the no good hillbilly calling her a slut on his way out the door.

  

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3. "you read fast..."
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>harper can write her ass off, cant she? it takes her five
>chapters to set up that hearing the sound of laughter coming
>from inside a house can be really disturbing.

what???

>lol at the little gentleman boy going from calming the prissy
>teachers nerves to threatening to murder the no good
>hillbilly. and the no good hillbilly calling her a slut on
>his way out the door.

huh? man Boo's brother only just came back....and all this time I could of sworn Boo was black.

glad I'm re-reading this.

Fuckin Dill.

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4. "they spend all this time saying that even going near"
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the radley house would result in death paralysis and torsion. and jem pushes scout in the tire and she rolls into their yard. and what, in an al swearengen-esque way, unmans her? the sound of laughter. harper makes the radley place creepy with all the hidden stuff inside the tree and the single barely seen peak from the shutters.

and further elaborating on harpers skills as a writer...she clearly defines characters in as small a space as possible. all the kids in scouts class, you would know who was talking even without any kind of speech tags, or without even the vernacular that someone like the cunningham boy speaks in. little chuck little, the littlest gentleman in maycomb county. its great. her descriptive work too, saying that the cunningham boy looks like he was raised on fish food, eyes red and watery. miss caroline looks like a peppermint.

  

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2. "‘Hey, Boo: Harper Lee & To Kill a Mockingbird’"
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There's an insightful documentary titled ‘Hey, Boo: Harper Lee & To Kill a Mockingbird’ on Netflix Instant. I love the book and the film adaptation. Read it several times after high school. I might again because of this post.

  

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5. "just fnished"
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man this is a fantastic book. once again, i remembered fuck all about this book even though i read it in high school. texas education system, you really are shitty, and from what i understand in speaking with the empty headed youth of today you are even worse now.

but when people speak of the great american novel, this is the book they are talking about, isnt it?

i like the trick harper pulls off that all great writers do when they set up stuff and it doesnt feel like setup. we learn about the ewells and the cunninghams on a lark but that shit pays off toward the end. like the old dictum 'it is art to conceal art.' which yes i did hear from james gurney and not whatever ancient philosopher he heard it from.

according to wikipedia harper lee is still alive. is she the dirk nowitski of the literary world and one great work was all she had in her?

miss maudie warmed my atheist heart with the line 'How so reasonable a creature could live in peril of everlasting torment was incomprehensible.'

and this book is fucking funny. how talented was harper to pull off the climax of the book with scout wearing a fucking ham costume? jem is all 'gimme yr hock ah my arm.'

man man man.

  

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7. "I love this quote from her wikipedia page"
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"I have said what I wanted to say and I will not say it again."

How can you not respect that? She knew she only had one story to tell, she told it and then she moved on.

  

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8. "its like the tool song, i dont want it, i just need it"
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i would like even just a little bit, but thats just the greedy pig in me.

  

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9. "only just had the tree filled in"
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life stuff cropped up...not reading as much.

but I echo the vivid story telling and detail. I'm loving rereading this.

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6. "This is an excellent book"
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It's like she perfectly captured the setting and the characters and put them to words. And the way that everything is set up so slowly, without seeming like anything is being set up.

  

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10. "Man I was too dumb to appreciate this book as kid"
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I'm getting SOOOOO much out this post 30 than I did 12-15.

Sweet white baby jesus in swaddlin clothes there are so many mantras.

I just read the one about how things can be so wrong but only children see. mind fuckin blown. right there.

this book is awesome.

Oh and fyi, first time I read this I really thought boo radley had committed a crime at some point and was on trial. Post-30 I realize how the two parts have similar arcs with similar character roles.

but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
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12. "please expound:"
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>Oh and fyi, first time I read this I really thought boo radley
>had committed a crime at some point and was on trial. Post-30
>I realize how the two parts have similar arcs with similar
>character roles.

I still haven't got a chance to reread this cause my bum of a sister borrowed my copy late February and still hasn't finished nor returned it.

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20. "it's weird...it felt like they follow a similar arc"
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I could be wrong.

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11. "wow...this book is so powerful this time around"
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masterful book.

but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
Binlahab is a bitch.
I wouldn't trust okp, some of them don't even get any anymore since the Re's stopped - Anonymous OKP

  

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13. "Suggestions for April?"
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but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
Binlahab is a bitch.
I wouldn't trust okp, some of them don't even get any anymore since the Re's stopped - Anonymous OKP

  

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14. "go tell it on the mountain by james baldwin"
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19. "I know nothing about this book"
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Length? Genre/style?

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22. "semi autobiographical novel"
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About a kid growing up in 1930s Harlem. I've read the first forty pages so I can tell you about this much. He's got a loving mother and an abusive preacher father. The church and his relationship to it is a big part of what I've read so far. He feels likes sinner, sinning with his hands, as he says, while thinking about dudes. There's a sriction at the end of where I've read that concerns him walking around, going to a movie, considering the nature of racism. Its about a kid that feels oppressed from all angles and wonders what it would be like and if he ever even could be free. Its not too long, my paperback is pretty thin.

  

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15. "a short list:"
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The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
The Magnificent Ambersons by Fran Tarkington
Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe

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16. "i like yr list"
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for a few reasons. now that we've kept this going for a few months (altho it looked iffy this month) and we've gotten some of the obvious classics out of the way, i think it would be good to show some love to some of the more unheralded classics. and to not keep the focus to a narrow 'old white guys and harper lee' type thing. surely there is a classic work of fiction from turkmenistan.

as the native american dude i should be pushing the classic native american fiction but i am not sure as to what would constitute a classic. i read moderen people like alexie and erdrich but would the lone ranger and tonto fistfight in heaven be considered a classic? i figure if the authors dead or the book is over thirty or forty years old it can be called a classic. this is not rigid criteria though.

  

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17. "i have no idea if tthat list is good or not..."
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but I entirely agree that we don't have to stay in the "old and white" arena when it comes to classics. If no one had spoken up I was going to pull in some science fiction at some.

Me posting for suggestion in december was part of the reasion...what exactly defines a classic? English professors? Pulitzer?

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18. "All I know is I want an excuse to reread a Vonnegut"
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It should be renowned in SOME circle and it should have hit the reader in the gut on first read.
Enough to suggest it to others.

Here were the reasons for my inclusions:
The Stars My Destination - the "original Cyberpunk" story. Not entirely true, but its a total genre fun summer book that has had tons of influence on sci-fi from page to screen. Loved by sci-fi authors (aka THIS IS WHAT THE WRITERS READ), this book also made my heart race on first read and continues to bring pleasure to me and the many people I've recommended it to who love it.
The Magnificent Ambersons - Orson Welles made an abundance of Best Films lists ( http://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/the+magnificent+ambersons/ ) for adapting one of the "Best 100 Novels" by Modern Library ( http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-novels/ ). In unrelated news, it reminded me of my mother.
Things Fall Apart - The only book from my high school curriculum I truly loved cover to cover.

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23. "we should def do stars at some point"
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I love the title alone and have always wanted to read it

  

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21. "love this book"
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after ripping through Tolkien, C.S. Lewis and Jack London as a kid, I basically took a decade off from reading due to apathy. this was the only book I finished during that period, in high school. read it in a day or two (I actually failed a lot of the quizzes because I forgot minute chapter details weeks later).

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24. "the whole book is minute chapter details"
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and they get lost in the narrative and you're perfectly okay with that...

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25. "PBS’s ‘Hey, Boo’: The eternal mystery of Harper Lee"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/pbss-hey-boo-the-eternal-mystery-of-harper-lee/2012/04/01/gIQAxy2gpS_story.html?tid=pm_entertainment_pop

The outcry over the recent shooting death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin is another one of those eruptions in American life when you’d love nothing more than to hear what Harper Lee thinks. Or, more tantalizing, what she might write about it.

A similar longing informs “Hey, Boo: Harper Lee and ‘To Kill a Mockingbird,’ ” Mary McDonagh Murphy’s gently probing and completely engrossing documentary that saw limited release in theaters last year and is premiering (with a new title, “Harper Lee: Hey, Boo”) Monday night on PBS’s “American Masters” series.

It’s about Lee’s life and the immeasurable impact of her 1960 novel, “To Kill a Mockingbird,” but, really, it’s a film about how Lee will forever remain just out of our reach.

Now 85, the author is less of a recluse than a woman who just keeps to herself in her home town of Monroeville, Ala. Not long after the instant success of her novel about a miscarriage of justice in an Alabama courtroom — and its effect on a young girl and the small town she lived in — she turned away from the allure of New York-centric fame and chose a mode of lifelong contemplative retreat.

She spent the past five decades (and counting) with barely a published word to her name (a few essays in the 1960s, an open letter to Oprah Winfrey in 2006) and, despite the occasional anticipatory rumor, never released another novel. She just let it go.

“To Kill a Mockingbird” orbits in a literary stratosphere of permanence. Practically everyone who can read has read it. Most who have are in some way moved by the book or have had their opinion of racial equality shaped by it — or by the near-flawless 1962 movie adaptation of it. Even now, the Scout Finch in most of us will thumb through “To Kill a Mockingbird,” hoping to recover some sense of the topography that exists between right and wrong.

“Hey, Boo” is mainly a cultural study, bolstered by good interviews from a range of famous writers, thinkers and historians, but it also neatly balances the duty of biography with a look into some lingering mysteries about Lee and her work, absent an interview with the author herself. Lee hasn’t given a full interview in almost 50 years, not even to Winfrey, who took her to lunch at the Four Seasons in New York years ago and made her best (and nevertheless futile) pitch.

The film recounts Nelle Harper Lee’s upbringing, with its many parallels to “Mockingbird”: the lawyer father, who served in Alabama’s state legislature; the small-town life; the plain lessons apparent in everyday Southern race relations of the 20th century; the misfit neighbor who came to live with his aunt and, in one of American literature’s wildest coincidences, grew up to be Truman Capote.

Almost as good as an interview with Lee is an interview with her centenarian sister, Alice Finch Lee, whose voice has been reduced to a melodic gurgle but whose lucid insights into Harper’s motivations and post-“Mockingbird” life are telling. Another smart move the film makes is to let its sources — among them Andrew Young, James McBride, Anna Quindlen, Richard Russo, Allan Gurganus, Rick Bragg, Wally Lamb, Roseanne Cash, Tom Brokaw, Diane McWhorter and Lizzie Skurnick — talk at some length about and even deconstruct passages from the novel that still resonate.

With artful confidence, “Hey, Boo” organizes itself more around theme than chronology in a way that will surprise and entertain even those readers who think they’ve heard all there is to say on the subject of the novel, which began as a disorganized manuscript of short stories and character sketches and evolved, through years of intense revisions, into “To Kill a Mockingbird.”

Eventually, the film circles around to rumors, among them: Did Capote help polish Lee’s manuscript? “Hey, Boo’s” sources — friends of Harper — feel certain that Capote only ever saw the novel in typeset galleys and jotted a few comments, at best.

Lee and Capote’s long friendship, which included her travels to Kansas to help him navigate the reportage that would become his “nonfiction novel,” “In Cold Blood,” fell apart soon after “To Kill a Mockingbird” was released to huzzahs and won a Pulitzer. It’s easy to assume Capote was jealous of Lee, but “Hey, Boo” more charitably sketches it as two people racing away from each other in opposite directions: Truman toward fame, Harper away from it.

Why didn’t she write more? Assuming there are no finished manuscripts neatly arranged on a credenza awaiting posthumous publication, “Hey, Boo” offers some solace here, as its interviewees muse on the courage it takes to know when to quit. “She just wanted out,” her sister says. In “Mockingbird’s” autobiographical hues, it’s logical to look for the real Harper in the character of Scout. It might be more appropriate to find her in the guise of Boo Radley.

“Can you imagine the pressure?” Quindlen sympathizes, thinking of all the millions of people who yearned for Lee to write more. “I don’t know whether she couldn’t do it, but I prefer to think that she wouldn’t do it.”

  

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