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"THE BOURNE LEGACY (Gilroy, 2012)"
Fri Aug-10-12 12:54 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

http://www.deadline.com/2012/02/hot-trailer-the-bourne-legacy/

I'm still on pause mode because it's Jeremy Renner and *NOT* Matt Damon, but if Hollywood is positioning him as the next big thing, I'm willing to see what Renner does with this.

but, given that his HANSEL AND GRETEL: WITCH HUNTERS movie was pushed to 2013 (and it's been done for nearly a year or so) and the other superheros in the Avengers are getting more buzz and screen time than HAWKEYE (what i'm hearing), I don't know...

i like Renner but i'm not sure if he has *THAT* kind of star power to carry big budget action flicks and the like...yet.

Plus, Joan Allen, Ed Norton, and rachel weisz are in this? I think I'm *cautiously* curious...

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avengers needed black panther much more than hawkeye
Feb 08th 2012
1
RE: avengers needed black panther much more than hawkeye
Feb 08th 2012
3
My guess is that Hawkeye is marginalized in the film
Feb 08th 2012
4
man you said something right there that most folks wont get
Feb 08th 2012
5
nick cage is not just a regular dude who ages slow,
Jun 23rd 2012
26
are they still thinking about developing a BP movie??
Feb 08th 2012
7
      RE: are they still thinking about developing a BP movie??
Feb 09th 2012
17
Meh
Feb 08th 2012
2
Would it have been in bad taste to call it "Bourne Again"
Feb 08th 2012
6
Would it be bad to call the original trilogy The Bourne Redundancy?
Feb 08th 2012
8
Yep he only did 3 books
Feb 08th 2012
10
Mods, Sanko can't spell. Fix subject please.
Feb 08th 2012
9
it happens I made a mistake
Feb 09th 2012
15
Doesn't look terrible, it actually looks pretty okay. But I'm against it
Feb 08th 2012
11
i'm down w/this.
Feb 08th 2012
12
um, excuse me?
Aug 07th 2012
49
i haven't read the books but this sounds like non canon stuff
Feb 08th 2012
13
I trust Gilroy. Period.
Feb 08th 2012
14
I actually do to
Feb 09th 2012
16
Hmmm, it has been a while since a Michael Clayton debate.
Feb 09th 2012
18
He showed he can create some real tension in Michael Clayton
Feb 10th 2012
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      You sure about this part?
Feb 10th 2012
22
           Pretty Sure
Feb 12th 2012
23
                Sweet. Couldn't tell from the trailer but that works for me.
Feb 12th 2012
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Wake me when THE BOURNE LEGACY TRAILER is out
Feb 09th 2012
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completely unnecessary 4th installment. i hope it bombs.
Feb 09th 2012
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Bourne blinks (wisely) moves down a week.
Jun 22nd 2012
25
What a fucking waste.
Aug 02nd 2012
27
that's a damn shame
Aug 02nd 2012
28
Honestly
Aug 03rd 2012
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      RE: Honestly
Aug 03rd 2012
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           I'm curious. What did Damon say the script?
Aug 03rd 2012
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                RE: I'm curious. What did Damon say the script?
Aug 03rd 2012
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                     Since this is supposed to be America's James Bond
Aug 03rd 2012
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                     RE: Since this is supposed to be America's James Bond
Aug 06th 2012
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                     This is a really good idea, actually.
Aug 06th 2012
48
                     Was Damon reading a story about Bourne, or Cross?
Aug 05th 2012
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                          RE: Was Damon reading a story about Bourne, or Cross?
Aug 06th 2012
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Ungh.
Aug 03rd 2012
29
Yea man
Aug 03rd 2012
31
Can't read this due to spoiler fear... but I trust Gilroy.
Aug 03rd 2012
34
Back in 2002 I was elated
Aug 03rd 2012
35
damn. never mind then.
Aug 05th 2012
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Wow at the behind the scenes drama
Aug 03rd 2012
38
This story's super old, and Damon backpedaled from these comments.
Aug 05th 2012
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      RE: This story's super old, and Damon backpedaled from these comments.
Aug 06th 2012
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           That's the one thing I do like is the performances
Aug 06th 2012
44
Interview with Tony Gilroy
Aug 06th 2012
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Reviews from The Hollywood Repoter and Variety
Aug 06th 2012
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"Unnecessary" is such a poor, copout criticism.
Aug 10th 2012
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      LOL.
Aug 10th 2012
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           not really understanding this response.
Aug 12th 2012
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                HAHAHA!!!
Aug 13th 2012
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                     It's not that it's simple, it's that it's a copout and makes no sense.
Aug 13th 2012
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                          RE: It's not that it's simple, it's that it's a copout and makes no sens...
Aug 14th 2012
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                               Why are you even annoyed? Why not offer some insight?
Aug 14th 2012
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currently at 60% on Rotten Tomatoes.
Aug 09th 2012
50
i liked it
Aug 10th 2012
53
Not as good as any of the other Bournes... still decent
Aug 10th 2012
54
i actually like this movie the most out of any of the Bourne movies.
Aug 12th 2012
55
I like the notes on Bourne in this film.
Aug 12th 2012
57
Aggressively boring. All talk, little action, zero tension.
Aug 12th 2012
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even though i liked it, i do agree on the zero tension part
Aug 12th 2012
59
kind of a waste
Aug 12th 2012
60
it was cool. 7/10
Aug 12th 2012
61
Horrible
Aug 14th 2012
66
So... SPOILER...
Aug 15th 2012
67
Man, I had high hopes for that Asian dude
Aug 25th 2012
68
worst ending ever?
Aug 25th 2012
69

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1. "avengers needed black panther much more than hawkeye "
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is this dude getting all this work off of hurt locker? smh

  

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3. "RE: avengers needed black panther much more than hawkeye "
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>is this dude getting all this work off of hurt locker? smh

yea i thought I was the only one who thought BLACK PANTHER should have been in the roster for this movie, cause that would have meant Adewale (though he may be too old), Idris Elba, Chiewetel Ejiofor or even David Oylewo (sp?) would have gotten some shine....

I think Renner is talented. But, carrying movies/franchises on his own? No. I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around this one...

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4. "My guess is that Hawkeye is marginalized in the film"
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Easier just to throw Renner in and forget about him that devote the time to really establish Black Panther. (Also, if they just threw Black Panther in and didn't give him much to do, people here would probably be pissed off moreso than if they just gloss over Hawkeye.)

As for Renner, he was one of those guys that filmmakers liked and execs didn't (the guy who did The Unusuals talked about how hard he had to fight to cast him; the network didn't want him at all) so once he got a little heat off of Hurt Locker, the filmmakers were able to sell the studios on him more easily.

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5. "man you said something right there that most folks wont get"
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on a whole other level in this superhero genre. yeah we got nick cage but he just a regular old dude that age slow. i was expecting either luke cage or black panther, hell, somebody black to make an appearance as a superhero/in

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26. "nick cage is not just a regular dude who ages slow,"
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he's also the world's greatest actor.

  

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7. "are they still thinking about developing a BP movie??"
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cause i could really be down to see a good one...

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17. "RE: are they still thinking about developing a BP movie??"
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yup but Marvel is developing their other characters and Black Panther isn't at the TOP of that list....

but, last I heard: Idris Elba, Adewale, Chiewtel Ejiofor, David Oyelowo were all being bandied about as leads for the movie.

Nothing against Idris, but I'd rather see any of the OTHER men I named as Black Panther for real. Idris could easily be the villain in the movie.

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2. "Meh"
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Look's alright. If I get a press screening, I'll go.

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6. "Would it have been in bad taste to call it "Bourne Again""
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that would have been awesome. is this one based on a ludlum book too? i coulda sworn he only wrote the 3...

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8. "Would it be bad to call the original trilogy The Bourne Redundancy?"
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I'm glad they got new actors & Tony Gilroy directing his own script this time. I'm sold on the JereMC Ren & Nort Dogg tandem.

The first one was fine except them killing off Clive Owen insteada Julia Stiles. The only thing I remember about the 2nd is his girl dying. The only thing I remember about the 3rd was thinking, "Why haven't they killed Julia Stiles yet?"

  

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10. "Yep he only did 3 books"
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9. "Mods, Sanko can't spell. Fix subject please. "
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Excited for this one.

let's play ping pong ■

  

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and?

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11. "Doesn't look terrible, it actually looks pretty okay. But I'm against it"
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on general principle.
I'll download it.
If I get advance tickets, I'll catch it in the theater.
But I'm not paying to see it.

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12. "i'm down w/this."
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i like Renner (i saw The Town and MI:4) and i really like the Bourne franchise. Damon was getting a little long in the tooth and round in the belly to play the role, i guess. so, yeah. if they're gonna make another (and they didn't have to) this ain't a bad move, imo. i'll probably go see it unless the reviews say it's awful.

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49. "um, excuse me?"
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>Damon was getting a little long in the
>tooth and round in the belly to play the role,

I told you I just saw the pre-screener of Elysium, dude had his shirt off multiple times, and he's good body-wise. He DEFINITELY coulda played Bourne one more time.

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13. "i haven't read the books but this sounds like non canon stuff"
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the book is about "jason bourne", this movie it seems, is not..

...it sounds like a bad b movie...

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14. "I trust Gilroy. Period."
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16. "I actually do to"
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so on second thought, I think this *COULD* work.

I guess i'm just not SOLD on Jeremy Renner carrying a movie like this. AT ALL.

I'll have to see the movie before I can invest in Renner as an action hero.

And yes, fix my title post since I misspelled. We wouldn't want BarTek od'ing over this, now would we?

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18. "Hmmm, it has been a while since a Michael Clayton debate."
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Although I do think Gilroy is solid albeit overrated. Duplicity wasn't great but it was entertaining enough.

And, oh yeah, TOE PICK!

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21. "He showed he can create some real tension in Michael Clayton"
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Renner hasn't let me down yet and Ed Norton as the villain?!? I think the only Summer movies Im more excited for is Prometheus.

  

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22. "You sure about this part?"
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>Ed Norton as the villain?!?

  

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23. "Pretty Sure"
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http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118039793

  

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24. "Sweet. Couldn't tell from the trailer but that works for me. "
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19. "Wake me when THE BOURNE LEGACY TRAILER is out"
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20. "completely unnecessary 4th installment. i hope it bombs."
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25. "Bourne blinks (wisely) moves down a week."
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Smart move. Get another week separation from Batman and avoid the head to head against Total Recall. Going up against The Campaign isn't exactly perfect but it's better IMO.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/bourne-legacy-delaying-release-to-aug-10-because-of-total-recall-and-dark-knight-rises/

BREAKING… Universal just announced that it is moving The Bourne Legacy starring Jeremy Renner off its August 3rd release date to August 10 to get out of the way of both Sony’s Total Recall and Warner Bros/Legendary’s The Dark Knight Rises. In addition, the studio says it also wants to take advantage of an The Bourne Legacy Release Dateextra week of London Summer Olympics promotion. But the studio insists this move has “nothing” to do with some recent reshoots starring Renner who’s introducing a new character in what used to be Matt Damon’s signature action franchise. Deadline learned that, with less than two months until its release according to crew sheets, the pic reshoots went from June 8th to 14th in Vancouver. Director Tony Gilroy, who wrote the screenplays for the first three Bourne films and this one, wasn’t on location. But second unit director and stunt coordinator Dan Bradley was helming the reshoots which Universal keeps insisting were merely “two days of pickups. There was one shot that we needed to get. It was a beat. It was nothing.” Bradley was also a second unit director and stunt coordinator on 2007’s Bourne Ultimatum.

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27. "What a fucking waste."
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After powering through all 3 films to prep myself to ask a shit ton of questions for Tony Gilroy for our Q&A. And this Q&A was rough cause no one really had a question. I MEAN NO ONE FROM MY GROUP LIKED THIS SHIT. Plus Tony was talking out of his ass saying how Rachel Weiz's character's house represents the character. Bullshit.

The Bourne franchise is built on a thrilling plot and the kick ass action. Neither is really present here. If you've seen the trailer or the TV spots, you've seen all of the action. All of shit was brought up and dropped. For example they take a big turning point from Ultimatum is brought up here and even shown in the previews where they say Jason Bourne is in Manhattan. They do literally nothing with that. Joan Allen is wasted also with her character popping up in pictures and then at the very end for the last 5 minutes. I and everyone else thought they wrapped the series up really tightly with the last one. This just seemed like some shit to revive a franchise that should really be put to bed. I also, don't really remember Edward Norton's character outside of his introduction and that scene where he told youngin' to stop sucking Jason Bourne's dick. Another thing is Jason never took pills to be the badass that he was. It was always his training. And here apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) the other Treadstone/Blackbrair agents took pills to be the badasses that are.

And they didn't even have the cool maze end credits from the other 3.

Also, can they stop doing shitty remixes to "Extreme Ways"?
What's wrong with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBB2bPwKWVg

It worked for the first two.

We don't need this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXtuVCgtDSY
Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMV-rWaU-c

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28. "that's a damn shame"
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i was getting hype for this off of the previews. might still check it, but my expectations are somewhat muted now.

  

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30. "Honestly"
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The only things I would want in another Bourne film is:

1. Who is David Webb?
2. Why did Webb sign up for the Treadstone/Blackbrair program?
3. What was Webb/Bourne's previous relationship with Nicky?

Since Damon is done these questions will never be answered.

With that said the whole shit with Pam Landy on trail with treason charges is bullshit. And them saying the evidence she faxed was BS cause they have lawyers and double agents everywhere is corny. Tony wrote around the ending they did in the last one to run a story line that goes nowhere and is left unresolved (like alot of the storylines in this) to set-up the next sequel(s).

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32. "RE: Honestly"
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>The only things I would want in another Bourne film is:
>
>1. Who is David Webb?
>2. Why did Webb sign up for the Treadstone/Blackbrair program?
>
>3. What was Webb/Bourne's previous relationship with Nicky?
>
>Since Damon is done these questions will never be answered.
>
>With that said the whole shit with Pam Landy on trail with
>treason charges is bullshit. And them saying the evidence she
>faxed was BS cause they have lawyers and double agents
>everywhere is corny. Tony wrote around the ending they did in
>the last one to run a story line that goes nowhere and is left
>unresolved (like alot of the storylines in this) to set-up the
>next sequel(s).


*THIS* is the only bourne sequel I would want to see...really. Like, if Renner's character was a fellow agent Bourne met up with and they worked together, that would be cool.

but based on what you posted, I see Damon was RIGHT about Tony Gilroy's script for this..UGH

SMH

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33. "I'm curious. What did Damon say the script?"
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36. "RE: I'm curious. What did Damon say the script?"
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>nm


that it was a piece of hot stankin SHIT, basically....

and you know what?

he's right.

i had a copy of this in one of its various stages and I was like shit was horrible...

I know changes were made between what I read and what was shot..but still.

they could have ended it with Ultimatum and rebooted it a few years down the road *WITH* Damon...

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37. "Since this is supposed to be America's James Bond"
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why not wait till the stigma of Matt Damon was gone and continue the story with another actor like the Bond series does.

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42. "RE: Since this is supposed to be America's James Bond"
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>why not wait till the stigma of Matt Damon was gone and
>continue the story with another actor like the Bond series
>does.


i agree. if they had waited or at least introduced the reality that there were other agents *LIKE* Bourne out there running around, they could have spun this off better.

*OR* waited a few years down the road if Damon wanted to come back.

that didn't happen for what's coming out this friday...

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48. "This is a really good idea, actually."
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41. "Was Damon reading a story about Bourne, or Cross? "
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>that it was a piece of hot stankin SHIT, basically....

Because this story is about Cross. Was Damon commenting on the story for the movie after he turned it down? Because a new Jason Bourne story would've been completely different than the one being released next weekend.

  

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46. "RE: Was Damon reading a story about Bourne, or Cross? "
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>>that it was a piece of hot stankin SHIT, basically....
>
>Because this story is about Cross. Was Damon commenting on the
>story for the movie after he turned it down? Because a new
>Jason Bourne story would've been completely different than the
>one being released next weekend.


see, I don't know what Damon read *OR* if he even read this. Because, what I read was about Cross only and not Bourne.

So, I assumed that either a fourth film about Bourne which continued the franchise was given to Damon, and it wasn't *NEAR* ready and he passed on it and dissed it...

OR, Greengrass, because he can't stand Gilroy, told Damon that Gilroy was writing a fourth Bourne movie and that it was a piece of shit and damon went with that (i.e. Damon's loyalty to Greengrass and Greengrass, from what I've gathered over the years, *IS* shady as hell)

I don't know and I couldn't get it confirmed either way from the person I got the script from.

And we'll probably never know either...

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29. "Ungh."
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I'm a HUGE fan of the original trilogy and this new one rubbed me the wrong way from the start. But I hoped that if they had the audacity to do another, they'd do it justice. I'd made up my mind that I wouldn't see it (or at least PAY to see it) unless I heard some great things about it...

Ungh.

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31. "Yea man"
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My favorite is still the first, but the sequels were very solid follow ups and work all around as one overall story.

This shit was mad unnecessary.

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34. "Can't read this due to spoiler fear... but I trust Gilroy."
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http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-long-and-late-movie-show/id498789655

http://twitter.com/RussellHFilm
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35. "Back in 2002 I was elated"
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sitting in that theater when the opening chords of "Extreme Ways" came on over the soundtrack. And with each passing entry I felt satisfied and pleased while still missing the feeling I had with the first. Here, there's absolutely nothing. All other 3 films Tony's had a co-writer to touch it up and here it was him and his brother. Had they gotten another co-writer this may have been alot better.

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39. "damn. never mind then."
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38. "Wow at the behind the scenes drama"
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/matt-damon-bourne-identity-tony-gilroy-275137

Gilroy had a helping hand on all 3 of the previous scripts. And he needed one here too.

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40. "This story's super old, and Damon backpedaled from these comments."
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So I don't give much credence to that honestly.

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43. "RE: This story's super old, and Damon backpedaled from these comments."
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>So I don't give much credence to that honestly.

Damon apologizing for his comments makes sense. He won't shit on Gilory but he is loyal to Greengrass.

*BUT* Tony Gilroy and Paul Greengrass' issues with each other are crazy...

I'm wary but I will go and check this out. I loved the bourne franchise and the books...I'm willing to see what Renner does with this and Rachel Weisz in anything is always a plus.

though, i'm just hoping that what I read for this movie *DRASTICALLY* improved cause that shit *WAS* unreadable (the script version I read) AS HELL.

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44. "That's the one thing I do like is the performances"
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>>So I don't give much credence to that honestly.
>
>Damon apologizing for his comments makes sense. He won't shit
>on Gilory but he is loyal to Greengrass.
>
>*BUT* Tony Gilroy and Paul Greengrass' issues with each other
>are crazy...
>
>I'm wary but I will go and check this out. I loved the bourne
>franchise and the books...I'm willing to see what Renner does
>with this and Rachel Weisz in anything is always a plus.

For what its worth Renner tries to make the most out of a dull character. And Weiz does what she can with a stock female action role. Also, shout to Norton for doing his thing and making the most out of a forgettable role.

>
>though, i'm just hoping that what I read for this movie
>*DRASTICALLY* improved cause that shit *WAS* unreadable (the
>script version I read) AS HELL.

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45. "Interview with Tony Gilroy"
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he addresses (sort of) the drama between himself, Damon and Greengrass...but not really. It's an interesting interview.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/mike-flemings-qa-with-bourne-legacy-helmer-tony-gilroy/

The interview is lengthy, so I didn't post it in it's entirety.

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47. "Reviews from The Hollywood Repoter and Variety"
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/bourne-legacy-jeremy-renner-rachel-weisz-358482

Brings up major points that reinforce how unnecessary this was

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117948003/

Variety's I wholeheartedly agree with

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51. ""Unnecessary" is such a poor, copout criticism. "
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I mean, movies themselves aren't necessary. They don't need to be made. There isn't a single movie that was ever "necessary", for any reason.

"Necessary" is rarely ever a relevant point when it comes to movies. The original trilogy told the story rather well, so yeah, you're right, it wasn't "necessary" to further the story. The story was furthered because these movies make a ton of money and there is value in the franchise. That's literally the only reason it got made, and most movies are the same way. If it completely tanks, there's no reason to make a sequel, right? But when the movies make a shit ton and develop a loyal, rabid following, well.... there's always a chance a sequel gets made, whether the narrative demands it or not.

I'm sure movies like LOTR could be said to have "necessary" sequels, in that the narrative more or less required all three films to tell the whole story.

I don't see how 4 Lethal Weapon movies were needed either. We didn't "need" a second. We got 2, 3, and 4 because we all loved Riggs and Murtaugh and the studios knew we'd come to see them.

That doesn't mean people need to think the movie is any good, but saying it's "unnecessary" isn't really insightful or thoughtful commentary. A sequel can be perfectly good even if it's not "necessary".

  

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52. "LOL. "
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You're a funny guy Jason.

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56. "not really understanding this response. "
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Sheesh, at least offer a counter argument or something. I wasn't trashing you, I just don't think "necessary" is a valid criticism.

I also don't get what you're trying to do by calling me by my real name, aside from make it a creepy ass response.

  

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62. "HAHAHA!!!"
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First off this is the Okayplayer message boards. I like to give a simple response and not a motherfucking film school essay Like you do Jason. If the film moves me to I'll go deeper, but constantly attacking my points cause their too simple or "not up to your standards" makes you a pretentious asshole. Sometimes simple is all you need. Especially on a message board. Niggas post simple minded responses all the time. Just because like dig deep like Longo, whose opinion I respect, doesn't make you special. And here a review saying that the movie is unnecessary: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/08/09/bourne-legacy-review-franchise-life-preserver. Also, I saw alot of people on IMDB saying how unnecessary it is. There were also people in the theatre this weekend saying how unnecessary it was. Sometimes simple is all you need.

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63. "It's not that it's simple, it's that it's a copout and makes no sense. "
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>First off this is the Okayplayer message boards. I like to
>give a simple response and not a motherfucking film school
>essay

Oh... so you just don't like to think things through. Gotcha.

>Like you do Jason.

Not sure why you insist with this creepy shit right here.

>deeper, but constantly attacking my points cause their too
>simple or "not up to your standards" makes you a pretentious
>asshole.

Actually, I never said they were too simple or "not up to my standards". I said it's a copout argument. It's bullshit criticism that says absolutely nothing about the movie. I was hardly "attacking" you, but you're sensitive apparently.

>Sometimes simple is all you need. Especially on a
>message board. Niggas post simple minded responses all the
>time.

Simple? Simple doesn't mean stupid, and the "unnecessary" criticism is flat out dumb.

>Just becauselike dig deep like Longo, whose opinion I
>respect, doesn't make you special.

I didn't even dig deep. I pointed out the obvious, that "necessary" is a copout.

And here a review saying
>that the movie is unnecessary:

I care, I really do. someone else having the same poorly thought ouut opinion that you do doesn't make it make sense.

>Also, I saw alot of people on IMDB saying how unnecessary it
>is. There were also people in the theatre this weekend saying
>how unnecessary it was. Sometimes simple is all you need.

Sometimes, people simply lack the ability to articulate a thought that actually makes sense. "Unnecessary" basically says "I wasn't feeling it, but I lack the ability to explain why in a way that makes sense".

  

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64. "RE: It's not that it's simple, it's that it's a copout and makes no sens..."
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I'm not sensitive, I'm annoyed. What is there to articulate other than the Universal fucked up and made a unnecessary sequel to a franchise they should've let go to bed. Doesn't matter much of a cop out word you think it is, it perfectly sums up this movie.

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65. "Why are you even annoyed? Why not offer some insight? "
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>I'm annoyed.

Ok, that's fine. I don't see much to be annoyed by, personally.

>What is there to articulate
>other than the Universal fucked up and made a unnecessary
>sequel to a franchise they should've let go to bed.

Well, plenty to be honest. "Unnecessary" doesn't give any insight to the movie at all. I didn't really care for it overall. I'm not even defending the movie. I just don't think unnecessary is ever a reasonable critique for a film. You disagree, and that's fine. My point is, movies aren't necessary. They don't "need" to be made. Sequels don't "need" to be made. A sequel can be unnecessary and good at the same time. This one wasn't, but again, the point is that "unnecessary" doesn't say anything about the movie.

>matter much of a cop out word you think it is, it perfectly
>sums up this movie.

No, because it says nothing about the movie. It doesn't say whether it was good or bad, doesn't give any thought to any of the ideas presented in it, etc. I don't see why you get so annoyed at somebody giving out a little discourse.

  

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50. "currently at 60% on Rotten Tomatoes."
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53. "i liked it"
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but agree with Total Film that it feels like Hamlet without Hamlet. Jason is just one of the most compelling action heroes of recent time, and though Renner is the fucn man, and it's always fun to look at Weisz for two hours, it just felt a little empty.

and for those asking about the pills Renner is not Tredstone/Black Bryer, he is Outcome and the asain dude trying to murk him at the end is from a different program called Lark. that was actually tight IMO. that the government was refining what they started with Jason/Tredstone

like i said this was good and made up for me wasting my time with Total Recall earlier in the week and i can see them linking the two narratives if Damon gets back in good with Gilroy or vice versa

  

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54. "Not as good as any of the other Bournes... still decent"
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I don't care what anyone says BRING BACK THE SHAKY CAMERA!


film was tense, not nearly as tense as the first 3.... kinda reminded me of a more actiony less fleshed out version of "The American" with George Clooney.

  

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55. "i actually like this movie the most out of any of the Bourne movies."
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what i liked most was the the pacing of the movie. the director allowed time for the setup of some type of emotional attachment to the people in the program Jeremy Renner's character was involved in. also, the thread of Rachel Weisz's character's plot was setup well.

I really liked the framework of the movie. There were some nice touches early in the movie that pulled me into the personalities of the two main characters and showed solid motivations for getting involved with a project in the CIA. Also, the plot of the story seemed more streamlined than the other Bourne movies. In the other ones, Bourne was bouncing around so much and there were more moving parts in the CIA that were brought up that it was difficult for me to really settle into the flow of the movie and notice the circumstances Jason Bourne was in.

The only negative aspects I noticed were that:

1. Ed Norton kind of was wasted in this movie. He did a good job with not having alot to do. And to be honest, I don't really know how the movie would have been better with Ed Norton's character being more of a focus of the story. I think I was just wanting him to show his chops in one scene and cut loose. but all in all, he acted well.

2. I wish they had shown more, either with dialogue or with something happening in the movie, how Rachel Weisz's character found the resolve to stand strong in what would have been really difficult circumstances for a 'civilian' to adapt to having to detach from her emotions. I don't necessarily mean this because it would be unreasonable for a woman to be able to adapt. I just think that it would have given a tool for the audience to relate better to the story.

3. The threadline with David Straithern's character and Joan Allen's character seems like it was tacked on. My sister, whom I saw the movie with, mentioned to me that maybe if they make a sequel, the Treadstone storyline might get brought up again. I still think it kind of seemed distracting to the main plot of the story.

this Bourne movie seems like it might have been similar to what might potentially could have happened in the second Bourne movie with Bourne and his girlfriend. in that movie, Bourne and his girlfriend were just living off of the grid until the CIA came looking for both of them and killed her unexpectedly.

for those of you who saw this and didn't care for it like you hoped you would: were you going into the movie wanting really intense action sequences and watching a 'one-man wrecking crew' take on the CIA?

if you were, I could see that this movie would be disappointing since most of the action was in the last 20 minutes of the movie.

this movie was more interested in following the development of the main characters as they were battling for their survival, rather than Bourne taking on the CIA and searching for answers to his identity.

I found that I was able to relate to the main character and his plot alot more than I was Jason Bourne. I don't sight this as a knock on Matt Damon as an actor, more than I think the writers of the new Bourne movie really being able to having a simpler story that I was able to connect to.

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57. "I like the notes on Bourne in this film. "
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First, the bad though.

a long, long, long, LONG ass chase scene to wrap it up. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The first three offer the only chase scenes I enjoy in movies. This one was tedious and boring.

Oh, and there's not a SINGLE one on one fight with another big time agent. We never get any real sense of his physical abilities. He takes out the four agents at the house, and we get a glimpse of them, but he so thoroughly outclasses them and it's so quick it doesn't really do him justice. It happens early in the film though, so I naturally expected a solid 5 minute brawl with another Outcome agent at some point.

Instead we get a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong ass chase scene from a LARX agent, who is hyped to the rafters before chasing Cross on foot, car, and motorcyle. He dies in spectacular fashion to be sure, but that's it. We never get the Big Fight. We get him pulverizing a couple of Filipino Paul Blarts and some cops with whistles, but we never see him go hand to hand with a guy who can give him a legit run for his money.

Now the good:

The pills were a good idea, as was the idea of him being a different type of agent all together than Bourne. I LOVED them mentioning that Bourne was an 1st Gen agent without chemical enhancements, yet he was still rolling along. They play up the significance of Bourne in a big way.

Overall it didn't really deliver. I need to see it a second time though...

  

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58. "Aggressively boring. All talk, little action, zero tension."
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Shoulda listened to bwood on this one.

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59. "even though i liked it, i do agree on the zero tension part"
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nothing seemed forced or contrived, but, for example, even when you knew those agents where going to try and kill Weisz's character, in the back of the mind you knew neo-Bourne would come to save the day.

maybe the tension will arise in the subsequent films if they get made

  

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60. "kind of a waste"
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lots of talk/rambling, some unsatisfying (and badly filmed) action scenes ultimately doom a couple of good performances by Renner and Weisz (Norton did well too). I thought things were gonna pick up in Manilla, and they did somewhat in the factory, but the last chase was underwhelming to say the least. Maybe The Raid has ruined all SE Asia-set action scenes for me this year, but I did not feel any tension from having this supposed "perfect" agent coming after Cross.

And this really reaaaally didn't need to be 2h15 long

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61. "it was cool. 7/10"
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2nd half was rushed.

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66. "Horrible"
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I walked out after 45 minutes because nothing was happening. Went over to Total Recall to remind myself how an action movie is actually supposed to be done. Went on here to read reviews about how this could have possibly gone wrong - Damon wasn't essential to Bourne, it was the action that made and concept that made it great. It makes sense if this was a different director - he sucked and so did Renner.

The first 45 minutes of this movie probably should have been cut out.

Pros:
None

Cons:
- Renner is too goody two shoes to be a convincing action badass...shut the fuck up with your questions and just kill something already
- He climbed fucking rocks for the first 45 minutes of an action movie
- They shoot at like 10 different locations in the first 45 minutes, and it leaves you wondering why because nothing happened...why should I give 2 fucks about where this non-action is taking place in my action movie
- I'm not an expert on the Bourne series but it seems like none of this bullshit was even alluded to in the first 3
- The first death occurred 41 minutes into the film...this is unacceptable for an action movie (or almost any movie for that matter). Time to first death is a key indicator of movie pacing, and 41 minutes means there's probably at least 30 minutes of unnecessary shit that they made you watch

I hope this bombs bad. Bring back somebody who can film action.

  

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67. "So... SPOILER..."
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Dude's big secret is... he was dumb. LOL. During the scenes where the withdrawal was kicking in, I kept expecting him to ditch his mission to get a Stewie tattoo or something.

Renner played the whole thing a little too coked up for my taste, but luckily my expectations were lowered enough that I was able to enjoy the movie, slow as it was.

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68. "Man, I had high hopes for that Asian dude"
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They hyped him up and shit - getting off the plane real cool-like, "Everything's in the car" - I was thinking he was a total badass who was gonna beat the crap out of Renner. Instead he's just as incompetent as the people that hired him. Seriously those CIA dudes were playing catch up for pretty much the whole movie, which made everything after the house sequence really dull as there weren't any real tension.

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69. "worst ending ever?"
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Seriously, way too abrupt.

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