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"Honestly, I can't tell which comedians are racist any more"


  

          

There used to be a day when I could sit back, watch some stand up, and know "welp, that was racist."
Now though?
Irony is such a shield that I can no longer tell which ones are genuinely racist, which ones don't think they are racist but actually are, and which ones aren't either way.
I mean, I've got a pretty good idea Louis C.K. isn't racist, but anybody that makes racial jokes I can't say for certain.
Example: A lot of people around these parts and others say Jeff Dunham is racist. I don't find him funny, but I do wonder why he doesn't get the same shield as so many of these supposedly liberal comics.
Where is the line?
Do we need to strictly look at the audience and see who is there and who is laughing?

This isn't just a racial thing either. Misogyny and homophobia run rampant as well, often with even blurrier lines.

They all run together.
Is it in the number of the jokes? It certainly can't be in the quality because it's so played out now that few of them are funny to many now anyways.

So weigh in:
Is there anybody out there you wanna stick up for?
A particular style of joke (or even a specific joke you remember) that you would point to as specifically offensive or inoffensive?
Anybody you want to point to as being an offender?

Let's do this.

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i don't care anymore tbh. just make me laugh.
Sep 20th 2011
1
I care
Sep 20th 2011
2
what?
Sep 20th 2011
3
I've been noticing more and more comedians...
Sep 20th 2011
4
      your problem is that you're an idiot of some kind.
Sep 20th 2011
5
      the kind of idiot that examines and reexamines his own world
Sep 20th 2011
13
      don't listen to him, he insults everyone. you have a valid point.
Sep 20th 2011
6
           how?
Sep 20th 2011
11
                point of order
Sep 20th 2011
19
                RE: point of order
Sep 20th 2011
31
                RE: point of order
Sep 20th 2011
32
                RE: point of order
Sep 21st 2011
40
                     RE: point of order
Sep 25th 2011
68
                yikes
Sep 20th 2011
27
                     uh nigga no.
Sep 21st 2011
36
                     yikes, my ass.
Sep 21st 2011
43
                          RE: yikes, my ass.
Sep 21st 2011
51
                               lol fuck you.
Sep 22nd 2011
57
                                    RE: lol fuck you.
Sep 22nd 2011
65
the difference is in the joke constuction
Sep 20th 2011
7
I suppose this is where my problem is
Sep 20th 2011
14
why larry david gets a pass and Sarah Silverman dont?
Sep 20th 2011
8
David's character is a bad person; Silverman acts like she's being cute
Sep 20th 2011
9
      100% agreement.
Sep 20th 2011
16
      Wasn't Silverman's whole character on her show supposed to be
Sep 20th 2011
30
      I think so, but it has nothing to say.
Sep 21st 2011
41
      Never watched the show; just knew her standup
Sep 21st 2011
42
      good point. i see it now
Sep 21st 2011
38
      That is the most lucid explaination of her act I've heard.
Sep 23rd 2011
67
      But Sarah Silverman has repeatedly said that she's "the idiot"
Sep 27th 2011
71
jeff dunham panders to the lowest common denominator: bigots.
Sep 20th 2011
10
whut?
Sep 20th 2011
20
      i said you can't tell WHO'S RACIST by jokes they make.
Sep 21st 2011
37
           i'm more of the mind
Sep 21st 2011
49
part of the problem is we live in the internet age.
Sep 20th 2011
12
every bit of this
Sep 20th 2011
15
I agree, but I wouldn't include Dane in that group
Sep 20th 2011
17
I meant to throw a caveat in about Dane
Sep 20th 2011
18
So you have no problem sitting through Eddie's Raw in 2011?
Sep 20th 2011
23
      you're a good man, and true
Sep 20th 2011
25
           it's a sign that you're a fucking idiot.
Sep 20th 2011
33
                and before I was just an idiot
Sep 21st 2011
34
post #21 should be a response to what you just said
Sep 20th 2011
22
Interesting you say this...
Sep 20th 2011
21
and I quote:
Sep 20th 2011
24
      point being?
Sep 20th 2011
26
           this particular section seemed to be directly tied to the subject
Sep 20th 2011
29
what difference does it make?
Sep 20th 2011
28
I do not think there should be guidelines
Sep 21st 2011
35
      jesus christ you're dumb.
Sep 21st 2011
39
      where/who are these comedians you're talking about?
Sep 21st 2011
44
           Sarah Silverman and those like her
Sep 21st 2011
45
                at the end of the day, it's a performance.
Sep 21st 2011
46
                ask her if she's racist.
Sep 22nd 2011
55
                     I used her as the example because she'd already been mentioned
Sep 22nd 2011
60
I'm trying to figure out how we could *ever* "tell which comedians
Sep 21st 2011
47
True.
Sep 21st 2011
50
it's what they choose
Sep 21st 2011
52
      this is what I was trying to get at.
Sep 21st 2011
53
      But the assumption is that the material/performer are the same.
Sep 22nd 2011
54
           lol
Sep 22nd 2011
58
           I see what you're saying
Sep 22nd 2011
66
Jay Mohr
Sep 21st 2011
48
he's racist but hangs with tracy morgan and chris rock?
Sep 22nd 2011
56
      RE: he's racist but hangs with tracy morgan and chris rock?
Sep 22nd 2011
62
I think it all gets back to why the audience is there
Sep 22nd 2011
59
In my mind every black comedian I've seen is racist
Sep 22nd 2011
61
yo, how could you tell bill cosby liked to rape bitches from his jokes?
Sep 22nd 2011
63
or that Bill Withers would beat his wife from "Lean on Me?"
Sep 22nd 2011
64
this is stupid.
Sep 25th 2011
69
Why does anyone ever think/feel/say any of this? Let's handle
Sep 26th 2011
70

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1. "i don't care anymore tbh. just make me laugh."
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2. "I care"
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but I can definitely be one of those people who finds offensive shit almost anywhere.

so why don't you care any more?
did you used to?

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3. "what?"
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4. "I've been noticing more and more comedians..."
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Tue Sep-20-11 01:47 AM by Duval Spit

  

          

with more and more racial comedy in their acts.

And they ain't all Lenny Bruce or Richard Pryor.

I'm starting to get confused.

I suppose I should have titled it "I can't tell which comedians are NOT racist" instead.

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13. "the kind of idiot that examines and reexamines his own world"
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Tue Sep-20-11 10:14 AM by Duval Spit

  

          

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6. "don't listen to him, he insults everyone. you have a valid point."
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11. "how?"
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how can you tell someone is racist because of their jokes? they're comedians.

i can't even tell someone is racist because of their political views.

how are people supposed to tell by the kind of jokes they make?
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19. "point of order"
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>how can you tell someone is racist because of their jokes?
>they're comedians.

so somebody telling a stream of nigger/whatever jokes isn't an indicator?

>i can't even tell someone is racist because of their political
>views.

so somebody on some Bull Connor-sh "Blacks/whatever aren't even people, so lets make laws to keep them poor/away-from-us" isn't an indicator?

>how are people supposed to tell by the kind of jokes they
>make?

see above

  

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31. "RE: point of order"
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>>how can you tell someone is racist because of their jokes?
>>they're comedians.
>
>so somebody telling a stream of nigger/whatever jokes isn't an
>indicator?

He's probably speaking about, you know, comedians who actually exist.


>
>>i can't even tell someone is racist because of their
>political
>>views.
>
>so somebody on some Bull Connor-sh "Blacks/whatever aren't
>even people, so lets make laws to keep them poor/away-from-us"
>isn't an indicator?

Where's the politics in that statement? The example you gave would be an indicator of pure racist xenophobia. Is that an actual quote, btw?


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32. "RE: point of order"
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>>so somebody telling a stream of nigger/whatever jokes isn't
>an
>>indicator?
>
>He's probably speaking about, you know, comedians who actually
>exist.
>
Michael Richards exist. And that's EXACTLY what he did.


>>>i can't even tell someone is racist because of their
>>political
>>>views.
>>
>>so somebody on some Bull Connor-sh "Blacks/whatever aren't
>>even people, so lets make laws to keep them
>poor/away-from-us"
>>isn't an indicator?
>
>Where's the politics in that statement? The example you gave
>would be an indicator of pure racist xenophobia. Is that an
>actual quote, btw?
>
Um, he was generalizing, for you know, how the law actually used to consider blacks as not 'legally' people, the Jim Crow laws, the segregation...you know all of this. I'm sure. Let's not pick on the poster just because he didn't articulate it all out fully. We all got the gist of it.

  

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40. "RE: point of order"
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>>how can you tell someone is racist because of their jokes?
>>they're comedians.
>
>so somebody telling a stream of nigger/whatever jokes isn't an
>indicator?

find me that comedian. and no don't mention michael richards because that was a meltdown of epic proportions that wasn't part of his act.

>
>>i can't even tell someone is racist because of their
>political
>>views.
>
>so somebody on some Bull Connor-sh "Blacks/whatever aren't
>even people, so lets make laws to keep them poor/away-from-us"
>isn't an indicator?

that's...not a political view, dude. that's a social view.

>
>>how are people supposed to tell by the kind of jokes they
>>make?
>
>see above
>


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68. "RE: point of order"
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>>>how can you tell someone is racist because of their jokes?
>>>they're comedians.
>>
>>so somebody telling a stream of nigger/whatever jokes isn't
>an
>>indicator?
>
>find me that comedian. and no don't mention michael richards
>because that was a meltdown of epic proportions that wasn't
>part of his act.

Was it racist tho? And to provide an example how about about Sarah Silverman's joke where she wishes she was black but likes being pretty? Inconclusive?

>>>i can't even tell someone is racist because of their
>>political
>>>views.
>>
>>so somebody on some Bull Connor-sh "Blacks/whatever aren't
>>even people, so lets make laws to keep them
>poor/away-from-us"
>>isn't an indicator?
>
>that's...not a political view, dude. that's a social view.
>
>>
>>>how are people supposed to tell by the kind of jokes they
>>>make?
>>
>>see above
>>
>
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27. "yikes"
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Really? Seriously?

I don't like making this statement, I really don't, but--you're white, right? I have never ever EVER met any non-white person find confusion about whether material is racially offensive. Even then, I mean...COME ON!

"Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, racial discrimination (i.e. different treatment of those people, both socially and legally) is justified"

If you aren't able to distinguish when you see or here this, in politics or comedy...I really don't know what to tell you.

  

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36. "uh nigga no."
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43. "yikes, my ass."
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>Really? Seriously?
>
>I don't like making this statement, I really don't,
>but--you're white, right? I have never ever EVER met any
>non-white person find confusion about whether material is
>racially offensive. Even then, I mean...COME ON!

uh nigga i'm not white.

>
>"Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in
>people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their
>race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, racial
>discrimination (i.e. different treatment of those people, both
>socially and legally) is justified"

you can google words. *slow clap*

>
>If you aren't able to distinguish when you see or here this,
>in politics or comedy...I really don't know what to tell you.
>

iont know what to tell you either since you totally didn't process what i said up above.

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51. "RE: yikes, my ass."
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>>Really? Seriously?
>>
>>I don't like making this statement, I really don't,
>>but--you're white, right? I have never ever EVER met any
>>non-white person find confusion about whether material is
>>racially offensive. Even then, I mean...COME ON!
>
>uh nigga i'm not white.

Then don't say dumb shit. Any person of color living in America who says they are confused about whether material is racially offensive, or uncertainty as to the context of the person saying it is a DAMNED FOOL. I don't like attacking, so I'll say that you were just struggling to make your point.
>
>iont know what to tell you either since you totally didn't
>process what i said up above.
>
I processed it just fine. You actually only wrote about three sentences.

how can you tell someone is racist because of their jokes? they're comedians.

i can't even tell someone is racist because of their political views.

how are people supposed to tell by the kind of jokes they make?

These are the three statements. If someone gets in front of a crowd and represents themselves with blatantly racist jokes or blatantly racist political views, I'm not sure how that person is not racist. I mean, you don't need to catch a person about to plant a burning cross in someone's yard to be able to call them out as racist.

I posted the definition so it's right there to keep it in context. That definition is what we're talking about.


>>i can't even tell someone is racist because of their
>political
>>views.
>
>so somebody on some Bull Connor-sh "Blacks/whatever aren't
>even people, so lets make laws to keep them poor/away-from-us"
>isn't an indicator?

that's...not a political view, dude. that's a social view.

What do you call social views as relayed by politicians that are then incorporated into and enforced by law?

  

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57. "lol fuck you."
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>Then don't say dumb shit. Any person of color living in
>America who says they are confused about whether material is
>racially offensive, or uncertainty as to the context of the
>person saying it is a DAMNED FOOL. I don't like attacking, so
>I'll say that you were just struggling to make your point.
>>
>>

because the way people of color feel about race and social issues is always based off of a monolithic idea that we hold onto for generations. goddamn niggas with this simple logic these days.

IF YOU DON'T REACT IRRATIONALLY ABOUT A COMEDY PERFORMANCE THAT COULD BE RACIST BEFORE EXAMINING IT THEN YOU'RE A DAMNED UNCLE TOM FOOL.

fuck off. we're not the borg.

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65. "RE: lol fuck you."
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>IF YOU DON'T REACT IRRATIONALLY ABOUT A COMEDY PERFORMANCE
>THAT COULD BE RACIST BEFORE EXAMINING IT THEN YOU'RE A DAMNED
>UNCLE TOM FOOL.

Well I certainly didn't say that. Or imply it.

  

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7. "the difference is in the joke constuction"
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Take this bit from Louie, where he deconstructs white guilt. The joke isn't about his use of a word, it's about the power and social weight of words. There's a subtext. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

When Jeff Dunham, meanwhile, has his puppet call him gay, the joke is him using the word. There's no subtext.

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14. "I suppose this is where my problem is"
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My anger or confusion or what have you doesn't really lie with the Louis C.K.'s of the world, they provide proper context and do it with a purpose. Thumbs up to that.
My real problem isn't even with the Jeff Dunhams of the world, they seem to be fairly obvious with it.
My issue is with the rash of "ironic" comedians in the world who seem to have racial, misogynistic, homophobic jokes as their go to. At some point they need to have their own Larry the Cable Guy moment where they ask if the people that are laughing at their jokes are laughing at the irony or because they agree.

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8. "why larry david gets a pass and Sarah Silverman dont?"
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I wonder that. She isnt any more or less racially charged in her comedy. Is it because she doesnt have as many black comedians in her corner? or because shes a woman?

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9. "David's character is a bad person; Silverman acts like she's being cute"
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That's the key difference to me. When Larry David does something crazy in the show, everyone acts like he's an asshole and the audience is supposed to groan at how out of touch he is.

When Sarah Silverman makes a joke, it's like the shit is cute. It's "Can you believe I said that?" IMO Silverman doesn't go far enough and own the response.

Sarah Silverman says shit but still acts like she want to be/should be loved. Larry David says shit and uses it as another reason why he shouldn't be loved. He's closer to Archie Bunker whereas Silverman is just doing it for shock value.

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30. "Wasn't Silverman's whole character on her show supposed to be"
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this loser asshole, or in her own words 'douchebag character' who is oblivious to her own offensiveness & stupidity?

That doesn't make the show remotely as funny as 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' but just saying.

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41. "I think so, but it has nothing to say."
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It's empty satire. Clownish people saying clownish things without knowing that they're clownish. *rolls eyes* Plus, it's hard to tell in her standup which shocking things she believes and which are satire, so unless you hold a steady line, it's just shocking for shocking's sake.

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42. "Never watched the show; just knew her standup"
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She had some actually clever, smart bits but a lot of it to me was equal to a cute little girl saying a dirty word.

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67. "That is the most lucid explaination of her act I've heard. "
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71. "But Sarah Silverman has repeatedly said that she's "the idiot""
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in her jokes. Shes making fun of idiots who DO have those point of views

  

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10. "jeff dunham panders to the lowest common denominator: bigots."
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he's not funny, first of all.
but there's an underlying theme of xenophobia in his act.

same goes for new gallagher. but it's not underlying as much as it is straight up racist/homophobic.

you can't tell who is racist/homophobic/sexist.
but you can specifically tell which jokes are meant to be thought provoking rather than mean spirited to tune into people's intolerance about a certain demographic.

there was a joke a long time ago when mtv used to show comedy sets. this guy goes up and says a joke about "why everytime a black person does something, there's a parade and it's in the news??" joke wasn't funny in the delivery and it came from a privileged viewpoint and could be seen as insensitive.

audience wasn't having it either. this was early 90s, btw. then he makes a joke about hockey and he goes "well the hockey puck is black. let's have a parade!"...now THAT was funny because of the framing of it.
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20. "whut?"
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you *just* said (twice) that you can't tell racism by jokes, then proceed to explain how the construction of a joke can cause you to be seen as racist

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37. "i said you can't tell WHO'S RACIST by jokes they make."
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it seems like you don't get the difference.
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49. "i'm more of the mind"
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"it came out of you...it says something about what's in there"

sure on all this creating a character/persona business, but i have yet to come across a person without *any* boundaries such that what they say isn't indicative of how they feel on *some* level, and also think some use "the character" as a mask to say it and hopefully escape repercussion ("i was just playin"....yeah, sure you were)

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12. "part of the problem is we live in the internet age."
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where you'll see a video of a comic going on and on with no context. if it's a bit the context is either irony, playing devil's advocate, or a character/person in a story saying something wrong and then the comic responds (which gets lost on people so easily). if it's off-the-cuff it's generally being to rile hecklers, and then the news coverage loses that context assumes the comedian actually believes that.

katt williams had an incident similar to michael richards' albeit not as bad, and even though he probably believes little of what he said he wouldn't apologize for it because it was an in the moment thing that people commenting later wouldn't understand. props to him for that. i'm really sick of apology tours that comics are forced to go on these days. it's forced and most likely the majority of the audience knew what was real and what wasn't.

btw a canadian comic was sued successfully for attacking a lesbian heckler AT AN OPEN MIC. now what he said was probably awful, but the political correctness is getting ridiculous. You don't heckle someone and then sue them for the words they use, especially not at a show where there are essentially no rules (also the comic claimed the heckler threw a drink in his face, not sure). I really don't like where this is going.

as far as "where's the line?" in regards to the jeff dunhams of the world. it's difficult to describe, but it's there. as someone else mentioned, it definitely has to do with pandering (dunham has said he would never challenge christians because his audience doesn't want to hear that), which i could actually accept if he had a legitimate critique or "devil's advocate" type bit on islam, but it's just an offensive portrayal when i think he knows better. That's part of it actually. i see plenty of new open micers or racist, townie comics and i just chalk it up to "they don't know any better, this is hilarious" but dunham and others actually know better but they don't care about anything but the laugh. for the most part i'm fine with that as long as they're not like gallagher and want to be treated with the same respect as everyone else.

  

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15. "every bit of this"
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>as far as "where's the line?" in regards to the jeff dunhams
>of the world. it's difficult to describe, but it's there. as
>someone else mentioned, it definitely has to do with pandering
>(dunham has said he would never challenge christians because
>his audience doesn't want to hear that), which i could
>actually accept if he had a legitimate critique or "devil's
>advocate" type bit on islam, but it's just an offensive
>portrayal when i think he knows better. That's part of it
>actually. i see plenty of new open micers or racist, townie
>comics and i just chalk it up to "they don't know any better,
>this is hilarious" but dunham and others actually know better
>but they don't care about anything but the laugh. for the most
>part i'm fine with that as long as they're not like gallagher
>and want to be treated with the same respect as everyone
>else.

When the Gallagher episode of WTF popped up, I came on here posting about the difference between a Gallagher/Dane Cook and a true great comic. Because Gallagher, Dane and Dunham did/have done a great job of cultivating an audience. But when we're talking about comedy 20 years from now, I don't think either of those three will be in the conversation unless we're talking about what not to do. But I think Chappelle, Patton and Louis will. And the difference is in perspective. The great comedians of the past have always been able to relate their perspective in an identifiable way, or to reflect themselves back on the audience; whereas the popular comedian will just reflect back what they think the audience wants to hear. It's the difference between a Gallagher and a Seinfeld. A Carrot Top and a Chris Rock. A Dane and a Louis.

If you're reflecting yourself, you can carry that mirror any way you want and turn it to reveal all sorts of facets of yourself that the audience would find interesting, and will catch the audience's eye even when they're not in the room. If you're trying to reflect the entire audience back on itself, you can't turn or stretch that mirror quickly enough to get everyone. And so people will forget about you after you've left the room.

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17. "I agree, but I wouldn't include Dane in that group"
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there's already been somewhat of a reevaluation of the backlash in the comedy community. not that he was never in the wrong, but the hate was mostly because he was popular, and comparing his stealing to carlos' was always unfair. his comedy has also become more honest and self-reflective in recent years. we'll see where he goes with it, but isolated incident is a decent album, even if he still tells stories about sex just to tell people how often he has sex.

in fairness, i didn't really pay attention to his arena stuff in between retaliation and isolated incident, and my understanding is it's all self-aggrandizing garbage. his legacy won't be on the level of louis, rock, or seinfeld, but history will be kinder to him than gallagher.

i actually find myself defending him to people who hate him too much and then judging or mocking people who love him too much. it's weird.

  

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18. "I meant to throw a caveat in about Dane"
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because it looks and sounds like dude wants to actually do comedy and not scream things and do the Predator voice.

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23. "So you have no problem sitting through Eddie's Raw in 2011?"
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> But I think Chappelle,
>Patton and Louis will. And the difference is in perspective.
>The great comedians of the past have always been able to
>relate their perspective in an identifiable way, or to reflect
>themselves back on the audience; whereas the popular comedian
>will just reflect back what they think the audience wants to
>hear.

  

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25. "you're a good man, and true"
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There is a LOT that wouldn't fly today.
I guess all of this is a sign that I'm getting old,
but when I watch older movies (shit, even newer ones) with casual drops I cringe way too much.
Maybe I'm just more sensitive now than I used to be.

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33. "it's a sign that you're a fucking idiot."
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34. "and before I was just an idiot"
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Glad to know I've so quickly moved up in the world.

But honestly -
why haven't you approached the subject at hand?
I can understand calling me an idiot, that's completely fair. But offer something in return, cause as far as I can see, I am trying to have a discourse/learn more about the world I am living in and you seem to be ignoring it.
Why?
I want you somebody, SOMEBODY to offer me points of view from all sides, and thus far it appears to be going relatively well. So why not join in with something constructive? Why am I an idiot? Is it because I see blurred lines or because I brought up these blurred lines in the first place?
I can't think your views are valid or invalid if you give me so little with which to work.

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22. "post #21 should be a response to what you just said"
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21. "Interesting you say this..."
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I saw this earlier: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44591677/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/

Poll: Young people see online slurs as just joking

By
CONNIE CASS, JENNIFER AGIESTA
updated 9/20/2011 8:24:49 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Is it ever OK to tweet that a girl's a "slut"? How about using an offensive name for gays on Facebook? Or texting a racial
slur? Most young people think it's all right when friends are joking around with each other, according to a new poll.
Jaded by the Internet free-for-all, teens and 20-somethings shrug off offensive words and name-calling that would probably appall their
parents, teachers or bosses. And an Associated Press-MTV poll shows they don't worry much about whether the things they tap into their
cellphones and laptops could reach a wider audience and get them into trouble.
Seventy-one percent say people are more likely to use slurs online or in text messages than in person, and only about half say they are likely to
ask someone using such language online to stop.
"On Twitter, everybody's getting hit hard. Nobody really cares about nobody's feelings," said Kervin Browner II, 20, a junior at Oakland
University in Rochester, Mich. "You never know how bad it hurts people because they don't say anything."
But young people who use racist or sexist language are probably offending more people than they realize, even in their own age range. The poll
of 14- to 24-year-olds shows a significant minority are upset by some pejoratives, especially when they identify with the group being targeted.
"It's so derogatory to women and demeaning, it just makes you feel gross," Lori Pletka, 22, says about "slut" and more vulgar words aimed at
women. The Southeast Missouri State University senior said other terms regularly offend her online, too - slurs for black people, Hispanics,
and gays or lesbians.
Fifty-five percent of those surveyed say they see people being mean to others on social networking sites such as Facebook and MySpace. And 51
percent encounter discriminatory words or images on those sites.
But they mostly write off the slurs as jokes or attempts to act cool. Fifty-seven percent say "trying to be funny" is a big reason people use
discriminatory language online. About half that many say a big reason is that people "really hold hateful feelings about the group."
That may be why even the most inflammatory racist slur in the AP-MTV poll - the "N-word" - didn't rouse a majority of young people. Only
44 percent said they'd be very or extremely offended if they saw someone using it online or in a text message. Thirty-five percent said it
wouldn't bother them much, including fully 26 percent who wouldn't be offended at all.
Among African-American youth, however, 60 percent said they would be offended by seeing the N-word used against other people.
Four in 10 young people overall said they encounter that word being used against other people, with half of those seeing it often.
Other derogatory expressions are more common and accepted. Majorities see "slut" and "fag" used against others, and only about a third
consider them seriously offensive.
But 41 percent of women deem "slut" deeply offensive (jumping to 65 percent if it's used against them specifically), compared with only 28
percent of men. And 39 percent of those who are gay or know someone who is gay are seriously offended by the use of "fag," compared with 23
percent of all others.
Demeaning something with "that's so gay" is so common that two-thirds of young people see it used, and the majority aren't offended at all,
despite a public service ad campaign that tried to stamp out the anti-gay slang.
A similar effort to persuade kids not to use "retard" hasn't hit home with half of those surveyed, who don't find the word even moderately
bothersome. Twenty-seven percent are seriously offended, however.

Some teens just text the way they talk. Calling each other "gay" and "retarded" is routine in high school, says Robert Leader, 17, a senior in
Voorhees, N.J. So teens text it, too.
But constantly seeing ugly words on their electronic screens may have a coarsening effect. "It's caused people to loosen their boundaries on
what's not acceptable," Leader said.
What group gets picked on the most? Those who are overweight.
And slurs against the overweight are more likely to be considered intentionally hurtful than slights against others; 47 percent say these
comments are meant to sting.
Muslims and gays also are seen as targets of mean-spiritedness.
In contrast, only a third say discriminatory words about blacks are most often intended as hurtful, while two-thirds think they are mostly jokes.
And 75 percent think slurs against women are generally meant to be funny.
It's OK to use discriminatory language within their own circle of friends, 54 percent of young people say, because "I know we don't mean it." But
if the question is put in a wider context, they lean the other way, saying 51-46 that such language is always wrong.
Yet four out of 10 young people have given little or no thought to the ease with which their electronic messages could be passed to people they
didn't expect to see them; less than a quarter have thought about it a lot.
Two-thirds haven't considered that what they type could get them in trouble with their parents or their school. But it happens.
A 13-year-old Concord, N.H., girl was suspended from school for posting on Facebook that she wished Osama bin Laden had killed her math
teacher. The University of Texas Longhorns dismissed a sophomore football player for his racial slam against Barack Obama on Facebook after
the 2008 presidential election. And a Harvard law student's email to friends, suggesting that blacks might be intellectually inferior, was
forwarded across the Internet, prompting the law school dean to publicly denounce it.
"People have that false sense of security that they can say whatever they want online," said Pletka of Cape Girardeau, Mo. "Anything that you
put into print can be used."
The AP-MTV poll was conducted Aug. 18-31 and involved online interviews with 1,355 people ages 14-24 nationwide. The margin of sampling
error is plus or minus 3.8 percentage points.
The poll is part of an MTV campaign, "A Thin Line," aiming to stop the spread of digital abuse.
The survey was conducted by Knowledge Networks, which used traditional telephone and mail sampling methods to randomly recruit
respondents. People selected who had no Internet access were given it for free.
Associated Press writer Stacy A. Anderson, AP Global Director of Polling Trevor Tompson and AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius
contributed to this report.
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  

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24. "and I quote:"
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>But they mostly write off the slurs as jokes or attempts to
>act cool. Fifty-seven percent say "trying to be funny" is a
>big reason people use
>discriminatory language online. About half that many say a big
>reason is that people "really hold hateful feelings about the
>group."

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26. "point being?"
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29. "this particular section seemed to be directly tied to the subject"
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28. "what difference does it make?"
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and what i mean is
say there is a line or set of guidelines that can be used to deem a comic racist/homophobic/sexist/etc.
what does that accomplish?
is there any way that making that determination would make comedy as a whole better?

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35. "I do not think there should be guidelines"
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And I am not for censorship.
I am merely trying to look at this as, if not a problem, at least a fact.
There is a lot of racist/homophobic/misogynistic shit going on in comedy right now and we are supposedly living in an age where we are past that.
Of course I know that we aren't really, but if we are supposed to cringe at Mickey Rooney in yellowface for "Breakfast at Tiffanys" why do we just assume that particular comedians are racist and others aren't? It comes off as lazy or at the worst "cool" to call out some people and let others pass by. Where do we see the difference?
I am not going to argue for a world in which we say that people who say offensive things should be cut off; we need a certain amount of controversy to help push things forward. At the same time, I look at certain people and I tilt my head: do they really not like Mexicans? Do they really think of women in such negative terms? Do they really think being gay is something to be mocked?
I don't think there should be any one person that looks down from the mountain and says "This is what you can and cannot say," but I also think that there is a certain amount of laziness inherent in some people's (myself included) willingness to call out some people and neglect others.

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39. "jesus christ you're dumb."
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44. "where/who are these comedians you're talking about?"
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are you going to at least post up some youtube clips or something?
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45. "Sarah Silverman and those like her"
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Since she's already been mentioned.

And no, I don't think I'm gonna go youtubin. If anybody else wants to put up more links I'll watch them, but yeah. I'm growing lazier on this.

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46. "at the end of the day, it's a performance."
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where stand-up kinda gets unfairly viewed is that people look at the person doing the jokes and say "that's sarah silverman" instead of seeing it as a performance/persona that sarah silverman is doing
which is something that comics spend a long time trying to create and calibrate
some comic personas are closer to the actual person than others
but you're looking at a person who is telling jokes and doing bits to be funny/ironic/whatever
not a person who is giving you a speech or telling you the truth about what they feel
so from that perspective, i don't think you can ever "call out" a comic for being racist/sexist/homophobic solely based on something they say in a bit
because you still don't know anything about them, you just know the bit

  

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55. "ask her if she's racist."
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more than likely she'll say no.

it's a performance.

i like how she's the lynchpin of racist comedians these days. that's hilarious.
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60. "I used her as the example because she'd already been mentioned"
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Nothing personal,
just trying to keep consistency.
I understand it is a character,
my issue is that there are a lot of her kind of "characters" around and a lot racist/misogynistic/homophobic shit gets sent out under the guise of irony.

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47. "I'm trying to figure out how we could *ever* "tell which comedians"
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are racist"

Aside from the oft-mentioned (and tired as fuck) examples of Michael Richards and (let OKP tell it) Sarah Silverman, how else are we supposed to tell? Will listening to them on WTF with Marc Maron give us the answers we need? Probably not.

Hell, for all we know, Sarah Silverman could probably be the biggest Obama supporter on the planet. Or she could be the biggest contributor to the KKK. Who knows? And, ultimately, who cares?

Sorry, but yeah.

And as has been mentioned, how exactly do you know that what a comedian says is part of a bit, and what they say is how they actually feel about life?

Once again, I blame Auteur Theory.

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50. "True. "
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Despite what I've written here, I actually don't think Sarah Silverman is a racist. I just think that rather than making any sort of statement, she uses race baiting/shock value as a huge part of her act.

I have more of an issue with her on a comedic level than as a person.

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52. "it's what they choose"
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They are choosing the material. They are performing the material. Even if they didn't write the material, the material represents them whenever they start telling the jokes.

I don't think we need to look into their heart of hearts to really know.

Personally, I think the biggest question is when it's racist and when it's supposed to be commentary on racism. These days that's a blurry line. Like, yeah I know OKP is anti-Family Guy these days, but that was one big point to me--it seems like the show occasionally blurred the line between poking fun at stereotypes and poking fun at ethnic groups.

I think that's the bigger issue.

  

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53. "this is what I was trying to get at."
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54. "But the assumption is that the material/performer are the same."
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Frankly, in some cases that's a dangerous and incorrect assumption to make.

The comedian isn't "representing" anything other than, "this is the funniest/most provocative material that I chose to do for this particular performance." The key word in that sentence isn't "chose," it's "performance."

From all accounts, Andrew Dice Clay's act is pretty not close to Andrew Dice Clay, the person. I've seen the guy out and about, and it doesn't appear that he's saying vulgar and misogynistic nursery rhymes every time he opens his mouth.

And I know this hurts OKP's feelings but I really don't believe Sarah Silverman is not going around saying 'nigger' then smiling sweetly at the grocery store down the street. Call it naive if you wish.

In some cases these comedians are playing characters. Not everyone is taking personal relationship pain like Eddie Murphy did in Raw and turning it into standup. Not everyone goes the Richard Pryor route and turns freebasing into a routine. Some of the best comedy comes from a personal place, but there's also good comedy that comes from characterization.

For more information, see Andy Kaufman. Or Pee Wee Herman.

And I'm still wondering -- and haven't gotten an answer to the question of -- how exactly we are supposed to tell who's racist and who isn't. Not liking the material because it isn't funny is one thing, but to say it's not funny, and racist, and also "representing" the personal views of the comedian is another thing entirely.

It's almost like cats need to hear a recording saying "The following routine does not necessarily reflect the personal views of the comedian that's about to perform it." I mean, really.

I know we all want/need to be hyperaware about racism, and racist folks in entertainment, but cmon.

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58. "lol"
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>It's almost like cats need to hear a recording saying "The
>following routine does not necessarily reflect the personal
>views of the comedian that's about to perform it." I mean,
>really.
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66. "I see what you're saying"
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The only part I would slightly disagree with is this:

>The comedian isn't "representing" anything other than, "this
>is the funniest/most provocative material that I chose to do
>for this particular performance." The key word in that
>sentence isn't "chose," it's "performance."

I would say that "...I chose to do" is just as important in that sentence as "performance."


  

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48. "Jay Mohr"
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He drops the enword so casually, especially when imitating black people

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56. "he's racist but hangs with tracy morgan and chris rock?"
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okay.
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62. "RE: he's racist but hangs with tracy morgan and chris rock?"
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I'm not saying he is racist, but the subject is comedians you can't tell that are racist or not. I wouldn't call him racist per se, but he does drop enbombs regularly

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59. "I think it all gets back to why the audience is there"
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The Jeff Dunhams of the world have an audience that are there to laugh at XYZ type of person that isn't them, via a puppet. His audience isn't minorities, at all, so he may as well be putting on a minstrel show.

But other comedians who say race/sexuality/religion whatever jokes in front of a room of people and the first they do is shake their head while laughing, that's playing to a taboo that both the audience and the comic know are morally wrong but also funny when actually released into the room. Slang words still get me baffled a bit, how some comics justify it or not, and it's weird that there are a class of white standups that can use the n-word in their acts without it seeming either forced or mean spirited. If it was the crux of their humor or they hovered over those words, it would be offensive, but a Norton (by example) just greases over it so quickly that you don't have much time to process how out of place it is coming out of his mouth.

If the audience is coming to hear you bash gays or bash muslims or bash black people or whatever, and they aren't gay/muslim/black themselves, then you are a racist/whatever comic. Yeah.

  

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61. "In my mind every black comedian I've seen is racist"
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But I also don't view racism as inherently negative. It is seeing the world through a racial lens. And most black comedians have the segment in their show where they compare their humor/lovelife/familylife/etc to whites, or mexicans, or whatever.

Anthony Jeselnik is one of my favorites right now, and I was listening to his WTF interview with Marc Maron and I thought it was interesting how badly he wanted to find a joke where he could say nigga/er, but every joke he thought of (being that all his jokes are definitely offensive to someone on some level) writing made him think of his black friends, and how defeated they'd feel by his use of the word. Maron responded, "Well, it's because white people have no business at all using that word. Ever." And Jeselnik basically agreed, but you could tell by the tone of his voice he still wanted to tell some of those jokes.

Which made me think of Patrice O'Neal rather than Louis C.K. There's not a joke that dude could tell that wouldn't have me falling out of my chair laughing, and yet pretty much his entire Elephant in the Room act is through the lens of racism. Anthony Jeselnik is so mean-spirited he could never tell a racist joke (I think Nick DiPaulo has gotten away with it before, but he probably is a little negatively racist) but the comedy fan in me would really love to hear him try. So far, the closest he's gotten was actually in response to Patrice O'Neal at the Sheen Roast, and it was extremely tame by his standards.

Also note that this is not a post about how "n word" should be allowed in every comedian's vocabulary or an admission of ignorance to the many ways racism has negatively affected the lives every person on this planet no matter your color. I just don't believe that it's possible, especially in America, to look at the world without seeing race in some way, and as such various cultures have certain beliefs about how to interact, and how other cultures interact, with each other. Those differences are a great resource for comedy, particularly the differences between whites and blacks. But black comedians are allowed to toe that line much more comfortably, and I don't think it's accurate to put all this guilt on white comedians for telling a racial joke without pointing out that many of the best black comedians of all time have their "weird ass white people" bits.

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63. "yo, how could you tell bill cosby liked to rape bitches from his jokes?"
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64. "or that Bill Withers would beat his wife from "Lean on Me?""
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69. "this is stupid."
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i can't tell if you're a racist. lol

  

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70. "Why does anyone ever think/feel/say any of this? Let's handle"
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that issue first.

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