"If Ledger's Joker deserves an Oscar, so did Tony Todd's Candyman"
i mean, since the whole fuckin world has gone mad and we wanna start giving out the highest honor for fuckin comic book villains. and don't gimme no shit about how he transcended the comic world, because that's that bullshit. it was a fuckin comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that makes him look like a bat in it.
tony todd's performance as candyman was just as good, if not better, if we're gonna judge on transcending the material. he took that lame ass b-movie character and made him a complicated, charismatic, empathetic and unmerciful supernatural nigga.
if dude wins the oscar for this shit, they need to give james earl jones a lifetime achievement joint for voicing darth vader alone.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Thu Jul-31-08 03:19 PM
4. "You know how many times I've had to tell people this:" In response to Reply # 0
it was a fuckin >comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i >know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that >makes him look like a bat in it.
People talkin about how this is the new Heat drive me bonkers. Last I checked, Heat didn't have a dude with no jaw tendons and his eyeball bulging from its uncovered socket.
5. "this is in utero all over again, swear ta GOD! he died, people lost it" In response to Reply # 4 Thu Jul-31-08 03:42 PM by Basaglia
if he were alive, people would just be talkin about his next role and how this joint made him a legit box office superstar...he's be set to play a cop in grittay crime drama...we would not be talkin oscar and it would not be a top 100 film all-time.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Thu Jul-31-08 03:50 PM
8. "Nah, folks would still be jizzing all over it. They creamed over the 1st..." In response to Reply # 5
And that one had inferior villains and Katie Holmes, for fuck's sake. There's just something about Chris Nolan's Batman that makes people go nuts.
I love Ledger's performance too. And I'd even go so far as to say he should get an Oscar nod, since if Depp can get a nod for Captain Jack, Ledger can get a nod for Joker.
But him being named the best villain ever in polls? Him being called better than Chigurh in No Country? Shit is ridiculous.
27. "RE: Nah, folks would still be jizzing all over it. They creamed over the..." In response to Reply # 8
>I love Ledger's performance too. And I'd even go so far as to >say he should get an Oscar nod, since if Depp can get a nod >for Captain Jack, Ledger can get a nod for Joker. > >But him being named the best villain ever in polls? Him being >called better than Chigurh in No Country? Shit is ridiculous.
This is why the Supporting Actor nod seems so possible IMO. Ledger played his part just as well as Depp played Capt. Jack in PotC. But saying he was colder Chigurh is uncouth. Chigurh was on a whole other level.
41. "in utero came out well before cobain died" In response to Reply # 5
>if he were alive, people would just be talkin about his next >role and how this joint made him a legit box office >superstar...he's be set to play a cop in grittay crime >drama...we would not be talkin oscar and it would not be a top >100 film all-time.
there was serious buzz about Ledger's performance before he died. and the movie & his performance would still be getting hyped, maybe not quite so excessively though.
45. "and it got way more hype after he died. it was a B that became an A" In response to Reply # 41
>>if he were alive, people would just be talkin about his >next >>role and how this joint made him a legit box office >>superstar...he's be set to play a cop in grittay crime >>drama...we would not be talkin oscar and it would not be a >top >>100 film all-time. > >there was serious buzz about Ledger's performance before he >died. and the movie & his performance would still be getting >hyped, maybe not quite so excessively though.
there was buzz around downney's performance, too. so fuckin what?
47. "so ledger's performance was a B?" In response to Reply # 45
yes people saying it's an all-time legendary performance are getting ahead of themselves, but it was getting buzz as a terrific performance before he died & it's still a terrific performance any way you cut it.
>there was buzz around downney's performance, too. so fuckin >what?
22. "I think both crime and comic book movies tend to engage..." In response to Reply # 18
...the human condition on a pretty shallow, meaningless level, yet, especially with crime flicks, people treat them like they make some grand statement on life that's worth internalizing. Not saying they can't be classic movies deserving of love, but some folks take them a little too seriously, when they're usually the exact opposite of "some real shit."
---- I check for: Serengeti, Zeroh, Open Mike Eagle, Jeremiah Jae, Moka Only.
10. "You say this like it's a bad thing:" In response to Reply # 0
> >it was a fuckin comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be.
The "comic book movie" genre isn't inhernetly better or worse than any other genre of film. It's all how the studio/director/actors/marketting department treats any film.
25. "I love comics and all, but let's be honest with ourselves..." In response to Reply # 10
>The "comic book movie" genre isn't inhernetly better or worse >than any other genre of film. It's all how the >studio/director/actors/marketting department treats any film.
Men-in-tights stories are nowhere near the level of documentaries or serious fiction about exploring social phenomenon and personal experience.
Now, I realize one can go see a film for reasons besides those, but generally when looking at the accepted "canon" of film and judging what people, throughout history, hold up as the best "art" available, meaningfully exploring society and personal experience are generally a central component of all these things.
So, I mean ... I like comics and all, but yeah, I feel they're often held to a lower standard by their adherents.
30. "It's not what a movie is about, but how it's about it" In response to Reply # 25
Plenty of shitty documentaries and serious fiction movies have been made, just as there have been plenty of shitty superhero films. There have been lots of shitty films that examine society and personal experience. And there have been some that are just fine, but still aren't as good as The Dark Knight. A film like "Terms of Endearment," which won the Best Picture Oscar, isn't better than Dark Knight just because it explores the deeply personal experience and ramification of death and growing old.
>So, I mean ... I like comics and all, but yeah, I feel they're >often held to a lower standard by their adherents.
Just because other people hold them to lower standards doesn't mean they can't be just as good another medium at exploring the human condition. Are most of them Faulkner? No, but neither are 99.9999% of other works of fiction.
35. "please, superhero stories make great art" In response to Reply # 25
There's all kinds of ways you can explore "social phenomenon and personal experience", and plenty of other themes through comics. Humans have been telling superhero (then called "gods") stories since the beginning of recorded history.
Read some Alan Moore
Just cause Hollywood fucks up comics movies doesn't mean it's not as "deep" an art form as documentaries and "serious fiction".
34. "RE: You say this like it's a bad thing:" In response to Reply # 10
>> >>it was a fuckin comic book movie and that's all it'll ever >be. > >The "comic book movie" genre isn't inhernetly better or worse >than any other genre of film. It's all how the >studio/director/actors/marketting department treats any film. >
I stopped arguing that point years ago. They'll never get it.
> don't gimme no shit about how he transcended the >comic world, because that's that bullshit. it was a fuckin >comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i >know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that >makes him look like a bat in it. >
24. "okay...check THIS shit out..." In response to Reply # 0
here's the winner and the Nominees for that year, Not only did Tony Todd get robbed, but Denzel got robbed for "Malcolm X", lol
* 1992 Al Pacino - Scent of a Woman as Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade (winner)
other nominees:
o Robert Downey Jr. - Chaplin as Charles Spencer Chaplin o Clint Eastwood - Unforgiven as William 'Bill' Munny o Stephen Rea - The Crying Game as Fergus o Denzel Washington - Malcolm X as Malcolm X
31. "RE: If Ledger's Joker deserves an Oscar, so did Tony Todd's Candyman" In response to Reply # 0
> >i mean, since the whole fuckin world has gone mad and we wanna >start giving out the highest honor for fuckin comic book >villains. and don't gimme no shit about how he transcended the >comic world, because that's that bullshit. it was a fuckin >comic book movie and that's all it'll ever be...you know how i >know that? because there's a guy wearing a fuckin suit that >makes him look like a bat in it. > >tony todd's performance as candyman was just as good, if not >better, if we're gonna judge on transcending the material. he >took that lame ass b-movie character and made him a >complicated, charismatic, empathetic and unmerciful >supernatural nigga. > >if dude wins the oscar for this shit, they need to give james >earl jones a lifetime achievement joint for voicing darth >vader alone. > truthy
46. "He would if he knew how to act" In response to Reply # 0 Sat Aug-02-08 05:43 PM by Wrongthink
tony todd's performance as candyman was just as good, if not >better, if we're gonna judge on transcending the material. he >took that lame ass b-movie character and made him a >complicated, charismatic, empathetic and unmerciful >supernatural nigga.
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