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SoulHonky
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"Robert Downey Jr. + black face = "Tropic Thunder""


          

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20182058,00.html

The trailer is out March 17th. Should be interesting.

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I can't give this a pass, yo
Mar 06th 2008
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Whats more shocking to me...
Mar 06th 2008
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Just to clarify to those who haven't clicked, it's not blackface per se.
Mar 06th 2008
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ok wait
Mar 06th 2008
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He speaks the truth.
Mar 06th 2008
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      So how is it different than Soul Man?
Mar 06th 2008
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      Without me seeing how they handle it, it's too early to get riled up.
Mar 06th 2008
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           But you are defending it
Mar 06th 2008
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                I'm defending it in the way that you're condemning it, lol.
Mar 06th 2008
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                     Eh, I think you go a little futher than that.
Mar 06th 2008
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                          Yet the key difference is a big one:
Mar 06th 2008
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                               but how is that different
Mar 06th 2008
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                               Again, I point to the statement I found problematic
Mar 06th 2008
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                                    Yeah, I mean, I don't think it'll be any deeper than silly.
Mar 06th 2008
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                                         if its only meant to be silly
Mar 06th 2008
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                                              A black actor playing a white actor playing a black actor?
Mar 06th 2008
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                                                   "stiller wanted it this way" is relevant how?
Mar 07th 2008
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                                                        Again, I'm not justifying it, because I haven't seen it.
Mar 07th 2008
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                                                        but that still doesn't address the issue
Mar 08th 2008
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                                                             We'll see.
Mar 08th 2008
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                                                        it's not a black character, man.
Mar 07th 2008
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                                                             and? if its meant to be silly
Mar 08th 2008
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                                                                  I think everyone involved with the movie would agree
Mar 08th 2008
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                                                                       yeah, you'd think from the synopsis it would be clear.
Mar 09th 2008
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      I didn't say I didn't know that you dumb son of a bitch
Mar 06th 2008
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HUh??
Mar 06th 2008
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      Do some reading. This is blackface:
Mar 06th 2008
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           stfu
Mar 06th 2008
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                lol, don't be mad. Use this as an opportunity to grow.
Mar 06th 2008
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                     I'm grownded, thanks
Mar 06th 2008
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Could be fine, but this line gives me pause:
Mar 06th 2008
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Didn't Sellers play a bad Asian stereotype in Murder By Death too?
Mar 06th 2008
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      yeah, he was a version of Charlie Chan
Mar 06th 2008
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           'somehow' got a pass?
Mar 07th 2008
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                if by less sensitive you mean
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                     i was being understated?
Mar 07th 2008
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                          good comparison.
Mar 07th 2008
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another example of the frat pack thinking they can make anything funny
Mar 06th 2008
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shit better be funny as fuck n/m
Mar 06th 2008
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I knew it! I knew this was bound to happen eventually!
Mar 06th 2008
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^ truth up
Mar 06th 2008
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Today on The Factor my guests are the famous Wayans
Mar 07th 2008
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boo
Mar 06th 2008
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Huh. Not sure on this one.
Mar 06th 2008
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Three Amigos, anyone?
Mar 07th 2008
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RE: Three Amigos, anyone?
Mar 07th 2008
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      RE: Three Amigos, anyone?
Mar 07th 2008
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      True, but I meant in his works.
Mar 07th 2008
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RE: Robert Downey Jr. + black face = Tropic Thunder
Mar 07th 2008
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this is like saying "cracker" is as offensive as "nigger"
Mar 07th 2008
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RE: this is like saying "cracker" is as offensive as "nigger"
Mar 07th 2008
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first of all
Mar 08th 2008
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and what about the asian characters?
Mar 08th 2008
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      i'm not defending it at all
Mar 08th 2008
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           not white actors. black actors.
Mar 08th 2008
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You have got to be kidding with this line..........
Mar 07th 2008
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Why don't they just make "Black Like Me" a movie already
Mar 07th 2008
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RD is playing a white man.
Mar 08th 2008
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lol
Mar 08th 2008
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      then the issue is with the script more than with downey jr doing it
Mar 08th 2008
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      lol
Mar 08th 2008
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      now THAT would have been interesting
Mar 09th 2008
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      point: there's no blackface going on.
Mar 08th 2008
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1. "I can't give this a pass, yo"
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I mean, yeah, the makeup looks convincing, but... yeah, I just dunno... and I'm sure he'll be "talking black" as a part of his transformation...
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16. "Whats more shocking to me..."
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is that it seems like Stiller might have made a funny movie again.

  

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2. "Just to clarify to those who haven't clicked, it's not blackface per se."
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His character undergoes surgery to appear more like a black man as a result of his intense dedication to his method acting craft. It's not Al Jolson we're talkin about.

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3. "ok wait"
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how exactly is it different if your character does it?

there is a leap in logic here.

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5. "He speaks the truth."
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His character in the movie is so into method acting that he undergoes surgery to change the pigment in his skin so he can get the part in the movie that is being filmed.

Before everyone goes nuts, maybe we should wait until at least a trailer or something.

  

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6. "So how is it different than Soul Man?"
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Downey Jr. mocks the C. Thomas Howell movie but it's basically the same. The white guy makes himself black for a reason, hijinks ensue. At least Soul Man tried to teach a lesson. This one seems like it's simply for the sake of comedy.

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7. "Without me seeing how they handle it, it's too early to get riled up."
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Thu Mar-06-08 12:26 PM by Frank Longo

  

          

I mean, I CAN'T defend the movie yet, cuz I haven't seen it. But I also can't condemn it, because they did it as realistically as possible, and they clearly know that in these days and times, if you're gonna try some shit like this, you have to handle it perfectly.

It seems more like a jab at method actors and the lengths they'll go than anything dealing with race issues. For me, that's what made that shit so offensive in Soul Man.

You never know, they might deal with this in the film, and he might get his ass kicked for pulling such a stunt, with him yelling "You don't understand! It's for the craft!!"

I'm just saying, it's too early to say exactly what it's about or how they're dealing with this. So I can't condemn it til I see it.

And I said it isn't blackface in my original post to indicate that it's not the "blackface" in the traditional sense, like what Al Jolson did, or what Sarah Silverman did. Soul Man isn't technically "blackface" either, but since it's a white character trying to profit from acting and "looking" like a black character, basically all C. Thomas Howell was missing were the big red lips and burnt cork facemask. I don't know what this movie's about yet.

I also just can't seem to believe that a major studio today would release a summer flick with a white actor using makeup to look like a black man unless they were going to handle it very carefully. I don't know. I have to see it first.

The makeup looks really fucking real tho, regardless of whether it's used in an offensive context or not.

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12. "But you are defending it"
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I'm not condemning it. I said it would be interesting. But seeing that it is a Ben Stiller comedy and that Jack Black's character plays an actor who plays multiple characters in "Fatties: Fart 2", I really don't see this being some real investigation of the craft or anything. And there was this bit: "In one scene, he tries to bond with a real African-American castmate by quoting the theme song from The Jeffersons." Again, too early to judge but I'm going to err on the side of "This looks like the makings of a mess".

And personally, I'll give more points (but not many) for Soul Man trying to have a message than a film that just has a white guy pretending to be black for jokes. The Method joke is thin. There's no way that they can carry that for more than a few lines.

As for thinking a major studio today wouldn't do it, I put nothing past them. Personally, I'd have thought that a white guy pretending to be black wouldn't be funny in this day and age either.

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13. "I'm defending it in the way that you're condemning it, lol."
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You just seem to say, "This is more likely to be a mess," whereas I'm hopeful that it'll work. I mean, in the article, they seem VERY aware of the potential mess and think that they've handled it sensitively.

I agree that there's a good chance they totally botch this, and it becomes a huge embarrassment for Stiller, Downey, and Co. But until I see it, I'll hope that they pull it off.

The trailer should be a decent indication of things to come, I think.

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19. "Eh, I think you go a little futher than that."
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Acting like it is somehow different than Soul Man is a stretch. In both cases, a white person wanted something reserved for a black person (a spot at Harvard, a role in a film) and darkened their skin in order to get into that position.

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20. "Yet the key difference is a big one:"
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In one, the new-to-the-scene white guy is trying to convince everyone he is actually black.

In another, he's a well-known established white guy in the public eye who decides to try to convince his audience he can portray a black man accurately, with results unknown at this point.

Will it be funny? Will it work? Will it just be horribly offensive? Who knows at this point? But in Soul Man, he acted black to everyone all the time. In this movie, in all likelihood he's acting black when the camera is rolling. How much he "acts black" away from the camera will be a key factor in how offensive this portrayal will be.

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25. "but how is that different"
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"no, I'm just pretending to be a white man offensively portraying a black person" says the white man offensively portraying a black man

of course none us have seen it and can't judge it. but how the fuck can you in your wildest imaginations pretend that because its "his character" doing the thing he's actually doing, its not the same?

if you have a stunt to do, and you actually do it, no wires, and there's real danger, then I would give you real respect for it.


If you really recreate an offensive tradition of blackface then I really reserve the right to be offended about it.

since when did ben stiller get a pass on making flicks? was I the only person who saw night at the museum>

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26. "Again, I point to the statement I found problematic"
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"In one scene, he tries to bond with a real African-American castmate by quoting the theme song from The Jeffersons."

If he's a method actor, odds are that he'll be in character the whole time.

And, again, I think the premise of Soul Man could have been a very interesting movie. The white guy acting black and then trying to fit in to a world that now treats him differently has promise. The problem wasn't C. Thomas Howell was acting black the whole time, it was that the movie basically ignored every real issues/moment and played it like a standard teen comedy.

On the other hand, a stuck-up method actor dying his skin for a role doesn't seem like anything except fodder for some silly racial humor.

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27. "Yeah, I mean, I don't think it'll be any deeper than silly."
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It's a Stiller flick.

I'm just waiting to see, I guess. And since I like the cast and the premise of the film on the whole, I'm hoping that they can pull this off.

That one sentence is problematic tho, I agree. We'll see what happens.

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28. "if its only meant to be silly"
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why not have the role played by a black actor

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29. "A black actor playing a white actor playing a black actor?"
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I don't know. But Stiller wanted it this way, it's getting great test screening reviews, and until I see it, I'm gonna hold out hope that it's handled in a way that won't be deeply offensive.

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33. ""stiller wanted it this way" is relevant how?"
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you are justifying this any way you can, you're saying you're not, but you are.

test screenings also allowed i am legend to be released with the ending it had, that doesn't mean shit to me.

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35. "Again, I'm not justifying it, because I haven't seen it."
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It very well could be very offensive. I reserve the right to be offended. But until I see it, I'm holding out hope that they handle it in a decent manner and they don't put out something that blows up in their faces.

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55. "but that still doesn't address the issue"
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how is a white actor in, basically, black face, less offensive than... a white actor in basically, black face?

"well our movie is a spoof, what we're really making fun of is bad actors, not black people, and its not him doing it, its the character" holds absolutely no water.


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59. "We'll see."
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41. "it's not a black character, man."
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It's a white character that is playing a black character. To have a black man play that would make it a different character entirely.

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54. "and? if its meant to be silly"
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then that shouldn't matter

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60. "I think everyone involved with the movie would agree"
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that what the character in the movie is doing is wrong.

That's the whole point. The movie is saying that what this character is doing is wrong.

Getting upset about this is like a Jew getting upset because a character portrayed a Nazi, as if by merely portraying a Nazi they are saying it's okay to be a Nazi. The Nazi is the bad guy.

Or people against drugs getting upset because a character in a movie uses drugs, when the movie shows that his drug use ruins his life. The movie makes the point that drug use is bad.

Robert Downey is portraying a character who is so twisted that he thinks what he is doing is okay. But the plot of the story is that the director character and everyone else things he (and Black's and Stiller's characters) are full of shit. And the audience is supposed to agree with the director and see them as full of shit.

We have to see the movie to see how effective it is at this. But from the brief synopsis given, that much is very clear.

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62. "yeah, you'd think from the synopsis it would be clear."
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>We have to see the movie to see how effective it is at this.
>But from the brief synopsis given, that much is very clear

But either we're smarter than the average rjcc, or he's just a dummy. I'm gonna go with the former. Sometimes he gets to ranting and forgets to think.


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24. "I didn't say I didn't know that you dumb son of a bitch"
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I said I don't see how thats suddenly different.

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4. "HUh??"
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8. "Do some reading. This is blackface:"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

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9. "stfu"
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10. "lol, don't be mad. Use this as an opportunity to grow."
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11. "I'm grownded, thanks"
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14. "Could be fine, but this line gives me pause:"
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''If it's done right, it could be the type of role you called Peter Sellers to do 35 years ago,'' Downey says.

I suppose he's referring to THE PARTY, in which Sellers plays an Indian, complete with dark make up.

Regardless of what you think of that movie (most seem to think it's a classic), that was a version of blackface. His being Indian wasn't essential to the character, and while there probably was an Indian actor who could have equaled Sellers' performance, there was no real reason for a white man to play the Indian role.

Most people seem to give that movie a pass, but I'm not sure that is the comparison Stiller wants to go for.

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21. "Didn't Sellers play a bad Asian stereotype in Murder By Death too?"
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Or am I thinking of a different flick?

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22. "yeah, he was a version of Charlie Chan"
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Everybody played a version of a famous detective. (Incidentally, I loved that movie as a kid.)

Yeah, Sellers has a history of playing these types of characters and somehow has gotten a pass.

But Stiller's conjuring up Sellers' name as if he should get the same type of pass only serves to revoke the pass Sellers got.

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32. "'somehow' got a pass?"
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it was a different time. one that was a little less sensitive about racial issues, i'd say.

  

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34. "if by less sensitive you mean"
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"free to shit all over anyone you want to who's not white" then yeah

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40. "i was being understated?"
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mickey rooney in breakfast at tiffany's, anyone?

  

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44. "good comparison."
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>mickey rooney in breakfast at tiffany's, anyone?

Time has not been nearly as good to Breakfast at Tiffany's. Yeah, some will still call it great, but there will always be an included caveat regarding the racist overtones. Some people even decry the whole movie.

But THE PARTY? It is still lauded as a great movie, enough that Downey, Jr can offer it up as the "right way" to do this sort of thing. And who even bothers bringing up MURDER BY DEATH, save for obscure internet discussions like this?

Overall, Peter Sellers and his history of racially suspect characterizations have gotten off easy, even to the point of escaping serious scrutiny today.

edit:

There is a verb tense problem here. "Somehow has gotten a pass" is a different statement than "somehow got a pass."

If I were to say Sellers "somehow got a pass" I would mean he got a pass back in the day. "Somehow has gotten a pass" means he continues to get a pass today.

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15. "another example of the frat pack thinking they can make anything funny"
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17. "shit better be funny as fuck n/m"
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GO TO BREAK!

  

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18. "I knew it! I knew this was bound to happen eventually!"
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With the acceptance of all these black comedians posing as white people, the reverse was bound to happen. And now if its rejected by the black community, the media will jump ALL OVER it. So like I said in another post somewhere, it should either be accepted or eradicated across the board. And with all the white people talking like racism is over, this will create a huge backlash of perceived reverse racism and hypocrisy. They'll be all on that "Double Standard" protesting.

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31. "^ truth up"
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47. "Today on The Factor my guests are the famous Wayans"
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Now before we start, I found your movie White Chicks utterly unfunny.
That's just me, no spin.
We don't give false flattery here at The Factor, and I don't think racism is funny.
So tell me, Merlin, Daemonn, or Keanu, why should we let black people do things white people can't?
That is racist.
You, sirs, are racist.

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23. "boo"
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30. "Huh. Not sure on this one."
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Even if they strike the right balance or whatever with the humor, it doesn't mean that a lot of people still won't laugh for the wrong reasons.

Then again, I hesitate to say ANY humor is off-limits with no exceptions. Even if it offends the hell out of me.

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36. "Three Amigos, anyone?"
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Hello?

Anyways, I trust these three guys to handle this well. Downey, especially, is not known for idiocy.

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38. "RE: Three Amigos, anyone?"
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Downey,
>especially, is not known for idiocy.

The late 90's beg to differ

Sigga please

  

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39. "RE: Three Amigos, anyone?"
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>Downey,
>>especially, is not known for idiocy.
>
>The late 90's beg to differ

as would the little girl who found his zombie ass in her bedroom.......as would various judges in the LA County court system......as would insurance carriers.......as would, you get the point, I'm just being an asshole.

  

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42. "True, but I meant in his works."
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37. "RE: Robert Downey Jr. + black face = Tropic Thunder"
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Before ya'll get all Al and Jesse up in here I have two words for you guys....WHITE CHICKS. The characters in that movie were FBI that had to go undercover and played white women. Chapelle did it with his Anchor Man character. Eddie did it in Coming to America.

What about Sam Jackson and Charlie Murphy doing white characters in Boondocks?

So my bros. and sis. why is this a problem. We don't know if he is cooing or not in this movie. We don't know if he's bo-jangling.

Do ya'll get mad when Peter Griffin talks about his black cousin Nate Griffin or when Peter appears as Ella Fitzgerald Griffin in Family Guy?

I think all of the above are funny as hell, but some may not.

Let's not let the media tell us what is blackface, when we all know the context of blackface is different from someone playing a part. This movie may be funny as hell and not the least bit insulting.

Fall back until more is known.

  

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43. "this is like saying "cracker" is as offensive as "nigger""
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black actors/comedians performing in white make-up as white characters is not the same, fam.
my guess is you're baiting, so i won't go in just yet

  

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48. "RE: this is like saying "cracker" is as offensive as "nigger""
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^^^^^^ you're reaching like shit.....

this doesn't hardly compare....

if black actors can play white characters then the reverse shouldn't be a problem.

YES racism is still out there, but do you honestly think in this day and age, actors of this caliber will do some racist shit in a movie? Think people....y'all pro black fuckers need to fall back and THINK and stop being so judgmental of a movie you haven't even seen yet....and I don't even fuck with Ben Stiller and his movies....

  

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49. "first of all"
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i am not talking about a movie i haven't seen yet.
i'm referring to the above poster mentioning white chicks as an example of the same kind of thing,
somehow legitimizing white people's performance of the reverse
when you and i both know that the history of the reverse covers everything from overt, ugly contempt and grotesque animal like characterizations
to seemingly innocent punchlining of supposed black culture
i have NEVER heard a white person say they were offended by a "whiteface" portrayed by a black person, latino, or anything else
i'm not saying they don't give a shit because i don't know
and feel free to point to the post about white girls where somebody might have said they were offended by it
but i've never heard them say it
but whenever a movie, comedy sketch, whatever does some shit like this
we're here having this same discussion
because we're aware of a long history of these attempts at funny
a history that white people don't share to nearly the same extent
so to say the shit is even remotely the same is laughable at best
whether you're white or black you have to be able to see that
and that's all i'm referring to
i personally think that if the shit is funny
it does what it's supposed to do
and i don't care
but he said it's the same as white chicks
and i said it's not.

  

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50. "and what about the asian characters?"
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you're going to use the same defense?

  

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51. "i'm not defending it at all"
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i don't know shit about it because i haven't seen it
but if they got white people running around in the movie supposed to be asian
and all of it's attempts at comedy are on some stereotypical racist shit that isn't funny
then it's equally fucked up
as far as i'm concerened in terms of stereotypes/racism in american film
no minority has been fairly represented on a consistent basis
because the writers are usually all white
and they have no choice but to write from stereotypes
and unless that changes
or they stop trying to represent people as if they're another species
i will always look at movies like this with the screwface
but i reserve judgement because i aint seen it yet


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52. "not white actors. black actors."
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eddie's been playing asian characters

  

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45. "You have got to be kidding with this line.........."
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>
>What about Sam Jackson and Charlie Murphy doing white
>characters in Boondocks?
>

C'mon dawg, you know that ain't the same as someone physically putting on makeup.


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46. "Why don't they just make "Black Like Me" a movie already"
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- Dub

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53. "RD is playing a white man."
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the white character he plays had surgery to appear black.

so to play the character, RD had to wear make-up to appear like the white character appeared in his attempt to appear black.

RD is not playing a black man. nor is he lampooning black men.

so there's no blackface. and no insult. and it would've been weird if a black actor played the role just like it must have been weird for RD's character to have surgery to appear black.

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56. "lol"
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it requires an extraordinarily large mental leap to treat this like the character is a real person who actually had surgery to appear black.

why is it we don't respect the great historical tradition of white actors, or as I like to call them, homage-ists, who have, in respect to the black man and in an attempt to make fun of other clearly less-entertaining white people, faced the struggle of performing in blackface, because their characters demanded it?


oh now I remember, its cuz that shit was racist as fuck

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57. "then the issue is with the script more than with downey jr doing it"
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its not like they could cast a black guy as a white guy who eventually has surgery to look black

  

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61. "lol"
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63. "now THAT would have been interesting"
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58. "point: there's no blackface going on."
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is RD's character a racist? potentially. i won't know until i see the movie.

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