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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"Name rappers who sound "dated" to you. "


  

          

Isn't it strange that a rapper, who can still be technically good, can all of a sudden sound dated and just kind of sound out of place on new music?

The earliest I noticed this was with someone like Chuck D by the time he did that Janet Jackson record of Treach by mid 90s.

Today I find that to be the case for rappers like Method Man and Ludacris. I mean skillwise these cats haven't really declined but when I hear them it sends me back 10 or 20 years in not a good way.

Similar, but different from the conversation about rappers losing their ability to rap. Know what I am talking about?

On the other hand, there are a few rappers who have been working for 20+ years who still sound "fresh". Namely, Nas, Jay (at times), Snoop, De La Soul.

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Ironically, newer rappers sound more dated. Like Wiz Khalifah, Curren$y
Dec 12th 2018
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I still like Current$y's new material, but in general you're right
Dec 12th 2018
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TI immediately came to mind.
Dec 12th 2018
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What's crazy to me about Snoop is that he has not updated his style
Dec 12th 2018
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      RE: What's crazy to me about Snoop is that he has not updated his style
Dec 18th 2018
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Ice Cube and Redman
Dec 12th 2018
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These two don't really fit the criteria IMO
Dec 12th 2018
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RE: Ice Cube and Redman
Dec 12th 2018
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EVERY autotune / mumble rapper
Dec 12th 2018
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^^^^^Yep. Coming with that new out-dated shit.
Dec 12th 2018
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its going on over 10 years right??
Dec 12th 2018
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!
Dec 12th 2018
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I'd say the last 4-5 years when double-time rapping and
Dec 12th 2018
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Just made me go re-listen to 'We're Famous"
Dec 30th 2018
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RE: EVERY autotune / mumble rapper
Dec 13th 2018
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I think Mef still sounds good, Buddy..
Dec 12th 2018
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Nas and De La Sound dated to you?
Dec 12th 2018
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anyone who has been rapping for ~20 years is going to sound dated
Dec 12th 2018
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Again, Nas sounds dated?
Dec 13th 2018
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Your definition of dated sounds geographically biased
Dec 22nd 2018
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I don't like when old rappers come with repeat one line hooks 8 or 16 ti...
Dec 12th 2018
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To be fair, he started that a long time ago
Dec 12th 2018
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      I know at the time it was a dramatic shift for him but ...
Dec 12th 2018
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      LMAO!!! That made me cry laughing....
Dec 13th 2018
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AKA rappers that can't or won't change their style up
Dec 12th 2018
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Anybody with Lil in their name
Dec 16th 2018
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the entirety of slaughterhouse?
Dec 17th 2018
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method man, this new lp sucks
Dec 17th 2018
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Masta Ace & Ghostface Killah
Dec 23rd 2018
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Agree on both.
Dec 23rd 2018
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T.I. and Jeezy,
Jan 04th 2019
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Eminem
Jan 04th 2019
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Orbit_Established
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1. "Ironically, newer rappers sound more dated. Like Wiz Khalifah, Curren$y"
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Their ship just came & went

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8. "I still like Current$y's new material, but in general you're right"
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The newer rapper who are good/have some staying power are the ones that actually, you know, rap.

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2. "TI immediately came to mind. "
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His newest album recently dropped. I'm probably going to give it a few spins but I have not been impressed with him in a while. Maybe he just doesn't appeal to me anymore from a musical perspective.


>On the other hand, there are a few rappers who have been
>working for 20+ years who still sound "fresh". Namely, Nas,
>Jay (at times), Snoop, De La Soul.

I'm not too big and really have never been too high on Snoop but I do agree with your assessment on the others.

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3. "What's crazy to me about Snoop is that he has not updated his style"
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at all.


Like listen to these two tracks from this year:

Him and Wayne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v35Y9veLRQ

Him and Paak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gid8h33khEM

Both sound like snoop from 20 years ago, both extremely dope.


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26. "RE: What's crazy to me about Snoop is that he has not updated his style"
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b
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>Him and Paak
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gid8h33khEM
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>Both sound like snoop from 20 years ago, both extremely dope.

Snoop is doing a "Slow Jams" Kanye impression on that song though.. He didn't always sound like that.

  

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4. "Ice Cube and Redman"
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from what ive seen rappers can change this. there have been times other rappers sounded dated and washed then years later came back and sounded good. not sure how that works.

  

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7. "These two don't really fit the criteria IMO"
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Because both have fallen off significantly in terms of talent.

Think the spirit of the OP is to identify rappers whose talent is at the same or a similar level as it was in their primes, who just don't appeal to you anymore even though based on their talent level they still should.

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14. "RE: Ice Cube and Redman"
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> not sure how that works.

ghostwriters?

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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5. "EVERY autotune / mumble rapper"
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https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1992-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1993-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-1
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-2
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-3

  

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6. "^^^^^Yep. Coming with that new out-dated shit."
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It's the Hed Rush: http://hedrush.podomatic.com/
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11. "its going on over 10 years right?? "
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....i just look at it as a new genre all together .separate from hip hop





https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1992-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1993-mixtape
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-1
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-2
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone/1996-mixtape-part-3

  

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15. "!"
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>....i just look at it as a new genre all together .separate
>from hip hop
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http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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19. "I'd say the last 4-5 years when double-time rapping and"
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trap/drill beats became standard hip hop fare.

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30. "Just made me go re-listen to 'We're Famous""
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Damn, El went for the jugular.


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21. "RE: EVERY autotune / mumble rapper"
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truth...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

  

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9. "I think Mef still sounds good, Buddy.."
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De La Soul n nem, though....sheesh

Even Esco at times, who he and Common are my FAVORITE of all times, can sound dated...especially Com

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10. "Nas and De La Sound dated to you?"
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this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMINMawUzow


and this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGpw84iVgmM&list=PLR_cIlfBurPUK5P2alFd9ZyiBpLHz0-rb (granted not a lot of rapping on this)


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12. "anyone who has been rapping for ~20 years is going to sound dated"
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their style was formed in a musically different era

i think 90s east coast rappers in particular sound the most dated because not many young artists are mimicking boom bap rapping. that said, hov has been able to keep up somehow. juicy j doesn't sound dated but that's because his flow has been so influential on younger artists. wayne is on the cusp. 40 water still sounds fresh but i think that's because his flow is so singular

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20. "Again, Nas sounds dated?"
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27. "Your definition of dated sounds geographically biased"
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E-40, in particular, has done very little to evolve his style.

A guy like Black Thought, meanwhile, raps in a completely different style now than he did in 1994.

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13. "I don't like when old rappers come with repeat one line hooks 8 or 16 ti..."
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like that new Ice Cube

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16. "To be fair, he started that a long time ago"
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>like that new Ice Cube
Lethal injection album was an exmaple of when he really started to fall of. that was 93. By 94 he was done - we be clubbin' came out he was done.

Break it off break it off make it soft (4X)
Brrr (we be clubbin') uhh (uhh) (we be clubbin' 2X)

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18. "I know at the time it was a dramatic shift for him but ..."
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... I love(d) Lethal Injection. Still think it's really good.

Like I said I can understand why folks trash that album and say that's when he fell off, it was definitely a huge shift in his typical sort of aggressive style and commentary (though that album had sprinkles of the AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted-style content) but still .. that album had some gems.

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22. "LMAO!!! That made me cry laughing...."
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reading it, typed out. LOL @ "brrr"

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17. "AKA rappers that can't or won't change their style up"
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Wed Dec-12-18 06:05 PM by OKdamn

          

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23. "Anybody with Lil in their name"
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I can just picture someone in 2050 saying “why were all these assholes calling themselves Lil, grandpa?” in a future world where grandkids grow up cursing and their grandparents have face tattoos



Isn't it strange that a rapper, who can still be technically
>good, can all of a sudden sound dated and just kind of sound
>out of place on new music?
>
>The earliest I noticed this was with someone like Chuck D by
>the time he did that Janet Jackson record of Treach by mid
>90s.
>
>Today I find that to be the case for rappers like Method Man
>and Ludacris. I mean skillwise these cats haven't really
>declined but when I hear them it sends me back 10 or 20 years
>in not a good way.
>
>Similar, but different from the conversation about rappers
>losing their ability to rap. Know what I am talking about?
>
>On the other hand, there are a few rappers who have been
>working for 20+ years who still sound "fresh". Namely, Nas,
>Jay (at times), Snoop, De La Soul.
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"


Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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24. "the entirety of slaughterhouse?"
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I had similar thoughts listening to the Joell Ortiz/Apollo Brown album recently.

  

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25. "method man, this new lp sucks"
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life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

  

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28. "Masta Ace & Ghostface Killah"
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I liked both of them back in the day, but lately (especially in the past seven years) it seems like they lost that energy in their rhymes, now their material sounds redundant, nothing special to their flow & style.

The last album I liked by Masta Ace was "Long Hot Summer", and the last album I liked by GFK was "Apollo Kids".

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29. "Agree on both."
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31. "T.I. and Jeezy,"
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Even though they are godfathers of the modern trap sound...they sound outdated compared to their current musical offspring..not so much because they fell off skill wise because T.I. always been able to rap well..and Jeezy actually started to get better with his bars over time also...but the trap sound they started evolved into a whole other type of rap style that we currently hear in that genre.. Even cats like Yo Gotti or Boosie sounds older than the current crop of trap or mumble rappers. Gucci has stayed current because his style has been more influential and duplicated for the ones coming after him..

Same can be said of Wayne. When he does his autotune style singing/rambling styles he can be current, but when he flashed back to 'Mixtape Weezy" and really rappin for real is when when he sounds dated ironically...

  

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32. "Eminem"
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he sounds absolutely ridiculous.

  

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