"Artists you have to catch up to (the Ahead of Their Time post)"
for me it's Mos I can't front, I have hated every record hes done post-BOBS...for like 1-2 years. then i give it anther chance and i just GET IT and i love it and I wear it out Im currently at the spot where i just started loving Dec99, which is what made me think of this - but it was the same for me with Danger, Magic and Ecstatic (tho if im being real im still a little iffy on ecstatic)
this is also the reason why, on my harddrive archive, I have only discographies. If you've made one album I love, and 7 albums that are trash, they're ALL there because i think theres an outside chance your brilliance just went over my head at the time and I'll be glad to have all your records when i figure it out.
not the case more often than not, but thats my own personal neurosis.
at any rate - are there any artists who consistently put out shit you don't like, only to realize later that you or your ears just weren't ready for it yet?
1. "RE: Artists you have to catch up to (the Ahead of Their Time post)" In response to Reply # 0
This is taking it back, but when Jeru The Damaja dropped "The Sun Rises in The East" his off kilter rhyme style was ahead of the entire game, and very unique. Don't know what happened, but after the split up with Gangstarr/Primo beats, his flow fell off hard...Still those first two LP's were hard, and his flow type original/slick...
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22. "Skip His 3rd Album, & Listen To His 4 & 5th Albums" In response to Reply # 1
I've always liked Jeru's flow, didn't notice the stop & go style too much cause there is ton of other artists who spit the same way that gets props for doing it all day, Jay-Z has been doing it ever since Blueprint and it annoys the hell of out of me.
Anyway, Jeru's 3rd album "Heroz For Hire" is garbage, I mean that in the best possible way to say it, it has only one good song on there and that's the last song "99.9 Per Cent", I want to say the production but it's his girlfriend or protege Miz Marvel that ruins the album too, she can't rap, shit Melachi The Nutcracker can rhyme better than her; all in all just skip that album and go straight to "Divine Design" & "Still Rising".
"Still Rising" is better than I thought it was when I first heard it, when I first listened I was hoping he got his hunger back which he did, but I think I was looking for that Primo-esqe sound, but once you get over the fact that's not ever happening again, you dig the album for what it is, a solid effort.
I still think he could've gotten with 9th Wonder Fruity Loops production kats and done something to come close to the stuff he did with Primo but I think he's personally staying away from that sound and chooses to rhyme over D.R. Period / Dame Grease type beats most of the time.
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2. "The Roots" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Jul-30-18 05:20 PM by bentagain
Who knew the game would turn almost completely to 'hypnotic donkey rhythms'
Popped that album in not too long ago
Surprised how relevant it is today
Also
They changed the live performance game IMO
Haven't been to a show in awhile that was just a DAQ or DJ setup
there's usually at least some form of musical instrumentation
even if it's just a real drummer
I'm holding onto the hope that Undun and ATYSYC were ahead of their time as far as concept albums...and they'll hit me full force in a couple of more years.
6. "those two records are incredible" In response to Reply # 2
>I'm holding onto the hope that Undun and ATYSYC were ahead of their time > as far as concept albums...and they'll hit me full force in a couple of more years.
Folks here can't handle them because Thought doesnt rap enough on them. I think as Thought continues to release more straight up rap records, folks will eventually get over that and appreciate those Roots albums for what they are, which is goddamn masterpieces. I get it, when a roots album is your only source of Thought raps, you can go into a panic and get crabby when they only deliver a fraction of the verses that they used to. But those folks are missing the forest for the trees.
"Modern Love" will forever be my shit...always I found a slightly beat-up copy of his debut album in the dollar bin about 2 years ago, and have been obsessed ever since.
When he dropped Reasonable Doubt, my boy was really into it. But I just couldn't see what the big deal was. It wasn't so much Jay as it is that my tastes are usually behind whatever the new trend is.
I liked random songs of his over the years but it wasn't until the Black Album that his abilities really hit me. It didn't hurt that the production on that album was great too.
I've gone back over his catalog over the years and it's clear how much of a talented rapper he is and how he was ahead of the curve in many respects with his flows and ability to weave street talk with introspective themes. I can now see that RD is a masterpiece and that my tastes were underdeveloped at that time.
4. "I'm the same w/Jay to a certain extent." In response to Reply # 3
I was getting into hip-hop as early as 8 years old. In 96 when RD dropped I would've been 12, and was a full-on hip-hop fan by that point. So I watched a lot of BET to discover new songs/artists and I actually pretty vividly remember seeing the video for "Ain't No" and being like "jesus, this dude is wack" haha. Not too long after, I saw the video for "Feelin' It" and due to my distaste for Jay after "Ain't No" I was negatively biased toward "Feelin' It" and wouldn't even consider liking it ha. His next big single being "Sunshine" didn't help matters either.
So as the 90s went on I continued to kind of shun Jay's music for the most part because I considered him wack based on the above, but also because I was drawn more to Rawkus and their ilk at the time. It wasn't until Vol 3 and especially The Blueprint that I started to kinda jump on the bandwagon, Then I went back and revisited RD, Vol 1, etc. and have been on board ever since.
>When he dropped Reasonable Doubt, my boy was really into it. >But I just couldn't see what the big deal was. It wasn't so >much Jay as it is that my tastes are usually behind whatever >the new trend is. > >I liked random songs of his over the years but it wasn't until >the Black Album that his abilities really hit me. It didn't >hurt that the production on that album was great too. > >I've gone back over his catalog over the years and it's clear >how much of a talented rapper he is and how he was ahead of >the curve in many respects with his flows and ability to weave >street talk with introspective themes. I can now see that RD >is a masterpiece and that my tastes were underdeveloped at >that time.
8. "I'll never love Dec99." In response to Reply # 0
I tried. I really did. It's just an irritating listen for me with very little redeemable value. (liked somewhat 2 songs) Now that you've brought it up, I'm bout ready to purge it from the iTunes.
15. "im not sure theres any artists that fit the question for me" In response to Reply # 0
i cant think of any that consistently have a new sound that takes me a while to appreciate.
its been more so that a new artist comes out and it takes me a while to get it. it didnt click for me with dilla instantly. there were songs he produced that i enjoyed but i didnt necessarily love the beats at first. i dont remember what song it was that made it click. then i could go back and appreciate his sound.
same for the neptunes. when they first came out i was very against the sound until i heard a specific sound. dont remember what it was.
the only example i can think of for the question is the coup with sorry to bother you. when the album came out in 2012 i was kind of meh on it. ive kept some songs in rotation and i keep liking them more. i re-listened to their discography a couple of weeks ago and now i really like that album. im kind of meh on the soundtrack album right now. ive liked it more on repeat listens but i think i will find songs i do really like quickly and the rest are just not going to be my thing.
for me there are sometimes artists or albums i dont like - but when one song finally hits me, im able to use that song as a prism thru which to view the rest of the work, and then i "get it"
i didnt like Kendrick until I heard "Growing Apart {To Get Closer}", then i could easily dig most of his tracks up til then
i didn't fuck with 808s until I came around on "Street Lights", then the whole record clicked for me
we won't be able to understand his genius for thousands of years. his album might sound like crap now, but the beings of planet earth will realize how amazing it is in the future.
“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”
19. "Haha I'm pretty certain he's making fun of someone else." In response to Reply # 18
Someone actually said something similar to this in another post. This is a (only slightly) hyperbolic version of what the other dude said. I think. Hope.
24. "Still can't get the Bobby Digital phase" In response to Reply # 23
<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up... __________________________
Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect. Game: Like Gladys Knight. Jay: Aretha Franklin. Game: Word, I like her too. Jay: Nigga...
25. "Did a photo shoot w him once" In response to Reply # 24
The crew was me, a bunch of dudes, and one lady When he gets there he goes down the line making introductions Whatup I’m rza Yo rza good to meet you Whatup I’m rza Yo I’m rza *gets to lady* Hey I’m Baaawbby 😉
26. "Ecstatic is my favorite Mos record since the first one " In response to Reply # 0
>for me it's Mos >I can't front, I have hated every record hes done >post-BOBS...for like 1-2 years. >then i give it anther chance and i just GET IT and i love it >and I wear it out >Im currently at the spot where i just started loving Dec99, >which is what made me think of this - but it was the same for >me with Danger, Magic and Ecstatic (tho if im being real im >still a little iffy on ecstatic) > >this is also the reason why, on my harddrive archive, I have >only discographies. If you've made one album I love, and 7 >albums that are trash, they're ALL there because i think >theres an outside chance your brilliance just went over my >head at the time and I'll be glad to have all your records >when i figure it out. > >not the case more often than not, but thats my own personal >neurosis. > >at any rate - are there any artists who consistently put out >shit you don't like, only to realize later that you or your >ears just weren't ready for it yet?
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