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"Is the genius of women musicians discounted in comparison to men?"


  

          

The podcast, Still Processing (with Jenna Wortham and Wesley Morris of the NY Times), brought up the idea of genius. They said that the label of genius is overwhelmingly given to men and while artists like Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, and Beyonce changed the course of music they aren't held in the same light as other musicians that are men who have done the same.

It wasn't until a Billboard study that came out last year that researched the gender demographics that I realized how overwhelming male the music industry is. Since men are framing the conversations of music criticism and male culture is unfortunately littered with biases against women it seems reasonable that the common definition of musical genius discounts the accomplishments and innovations of women.

I know I'm guilty of this as well. It's rare to see women instrumentalists and also songwriters and producers. All of the popular and great artists who are great musicians that I know of, except for MeShell, are all vocalists and I tend to poopoo vocalists for whatever reason.

After I thought about their comments and my own attitudes it seemed clear that the point is valid. What do you all think?

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It coincides with the fact that men built the industry and have always
Jun 20th 2018
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So are you saying that men are heralded as geniuses because...
Jun 21st 2018
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RE: Is the genius of women musicians discounted in comparison to men?
Jun 21st 2018
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I agree that women get respect but at least I don't see them...
Jun 21st 2018
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      RE: I agree that women get respect but at least I don't see them...
Jun 21st 2018
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Seems that way with a lot of people, which is why I purposely mention
Jun 21st 2018
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RE: Seems that way with a lot of people, which is why I purposely mentio...
Jun 21st 2018
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cmon andre
Jun 22nd 2018
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      Correction:
Jun 22nd 2018
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      and that 2nd solo album does NOTHING as far as a comparison w/3000
Jul 05th 2018
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           As far as rapping, it's comparable to Love Below.
Jul 05th 2018
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      I don't quite remember making that comp
Jun 23rd 2018
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      You definitely helped. Thanks lol.
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      Big only has two albums. Number of albums is not the criteria
Jun 27th 2018
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Co-sign most of this, but some points on Aretha...
Jun 27th 2018
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      RE: points on Aretha...
Jun 27th 2018
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           Didn’t know she was on piano for Young Gifted and Black
Jun 28th 2018
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                it's worth remembering
Jul 05th 2018
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Are we limiting the scope to black women?
Jun 22nd 2018
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Wesley and the guest host kept the discussion to Black women
Jun 23rd 2018
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esperanza spalding thinks so
Jun 22nd 2018
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I could imagine those scenarios play out a lot with woman musicians
Jun 23rd 2018
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We use the word genius too much these days
Jun 24th 2018
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I think female voices can be genius on their own.
Jun 24th 2018
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Aretha Franklin, Bessie Smith,Carol King,Valerie Simpson
Jun 24th 2018
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Using the word "genius" colloquially was a white guy thing
Jun 28th 2018
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Beyonce?
Jun 29th 2018
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Exhibit A right today: Me'Shell Ndegeocello
Jul 05th 2018
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^^^^^^
Jul 05th 2018
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For Women in Jazz, a Year of Reckoning and Recognition
Sep 26th 2018
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No mention of Yazz Ahmed?
Sep 26th 2018
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      Yazz Ahmed on facing down sexism in jazz
Oct 02nd 2018
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1. "It coincides with the fact that men built the industry and have always"
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been willing to take a risk to participate in it hence the overwhelming number of male musical geniuses compared to female musical geniuses.

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4. "So are you saying that men are heralded as geniuses because... "
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they take risks and women don't?

I'm not sure I read your post correctly. Could you explain what you meant again?

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2. "RE: Is the genius of women musicians discounted in comparison to men?"
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Not at all... plenty of women have made their mark as vocalists and musicians.

  

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5. "I agree that women get respect but at least I don't see them... "
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labeled as geniuses.

I don't visit a lot of online forums or read publications anymore but when I did read it was rare to hear the journalist outright label a woman as a genius.

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7. "RE: I agree that women get respect but at least I don't see them... "
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I believe that Nina disproves the notion that women aren’t geniuses.

  

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3. "Seems that way with a lot of people, which is why I purposely mention"
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women in these discussions. You kinda watch the conversation shift after that as if people think "Oh yeah! The women!"

Kadhja Bonet is an awesome singer/songwriter/instrumentalist doing it right now.
I make the posts. People mostly ignore them.

Esperanza Spalding definitely belongs in this discussion.
Georgia Anne Muldrow had one of the biggest and most unheralded impacts on music in the last decade.

Even if we go back, Patrice Rushen played, sang, wrote... all of that.
Aretha Franklin plays piano... always has.
Kate Bush did all of that and was mad innovative.
etc etc.

Lauryn Hill is a legit top 5 emcee, but ppl will say she didn't have enough material yet accept Andre 3000 in her spot.

A case can be made for all of the above being genius. Some of them aren't even arguable.

As for Beyonce, I think she's a great dancer, but I don't see what makes her a genius. I really like her work ethic tho. I can tell alotta effort goes into her dancing and her vocals... which I think is why I struggle to call her genius, because geniuses make things look effortless, they innovate, make timeless art, etc. imo.


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6. "RE: Seems that way with a lot of people, which is why I purposely mentio..."
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>women in these discussions. You kinda watch the conversation
>shift after that as if people think "Oh yeah! The women!"

I'm guilty as charged in that respect. My playlists skew heavily male so I have some work to do as well.

>Kadhja Bonet is an awesome singer/songwriter/instrumentalist
>doing it right now.
>I make the posts. People mostly ignore them.
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>Esperanza Spalding definitely belongs in this discussion.
>Georgia Anne Muldrow had one of the biggest and most
>unheralded impacts on music in the last decade.
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>Even if we go back, Patrice Rushen played, sang, wrote... all
>of that.
>Aretha Franklin plays piano... always has.
>Kate Bush did all of that and was mad innovative.
>etc etc.


Good points here. I know for myself that I discount how much work singers also put into the direction of their music. I know there are women that make great music to me but I've thought that 'they just sing' and don't have songwriting or arranging skills.

Jay talked a bit of how Beyonce influenced 4:44 for the better. He said he and No ID would be stuck and she'd come in and fix the song in a snap.

I'm sure there are other singers who are women who could do the same.

>Lauryn Hill is a egit top 5 emcee, but ppl will say she
>didn't have enough material yet accept Andre 3000 in her
>spot.
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>A case can be made for all of the above being genius. Some of
>them aren't even arguable.
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>As for Beyonce, I think she's a great dancer, but I don't see
>what makes her a genius. I really like her work ethic tho. I
>can tell alotta effort goes into her dancing and her vocals...
>which I think is why I struggle to call her genius, because
>geniuses make things look effortless, they innovate, make
>timeless art, etc. imo.
>

I'm kind of with you on Beyonce. As a pop star and an icon she doesn't really have a peer today. I don't know as much about music as you, so I can't tell if she's 'effortless' or not. But I wonder if I would think more highly of her if I liked her music more. Or how much am I basing my understanding upon the genius being perceptable to me?

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8. "cmon andre"
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has how many albums compared to Lauryn

plus the amount of guest spots he has done.
That's why people have him in the conversation. He didn't stop creating music after two group albums and one solo album.
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10. "Correction:"
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Lauryn has two solo albums

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28. "and that 2nd solo album does NOTHING as far as a comparison w/3000"
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This situation is bigger than Lauren v. 3stacks, but those two?

It aint even close




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29. "As far as rapping, it's comparable to Love Below."
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They rap very little on both projects.

And if we talk singing, Dre ain't in the same stratosphere as Lauryn even at her very worst.

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12. "I don't quite remember making that comp"
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But Andre might not be the best example to make the point that some men are heralded as geniuses when women don't get their due.

The only comp I can think of is Biggie, with his two solos and a handful of guest spots. But I don't think that's quite comparable since Biggie is commonly thought of as a consensus Top 5 while Lauryn isn't thought of in that light.

Maybe I'm proving the point right here?

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15. "You definitely helped. Thanks lol."
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>Maybe I'm proving the point right here?


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20. "Big only has two albums. Number of albums is not the criteria"
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19. "Co-sign most of this, but some points on Aretha..."
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Most people who get the genius tag write their own music. Aretha, to my knowledge, relies on other writers, so I wouldn’t put her in the company of the others you list, although her vocal ability alone makes her a legend. As for her piano playing, I’ve never heard it compared to her singing ability. How would you rank her as a pianist from one to ten?

women in these discussions. You kinda watch the conversation
>shift after that as if people think "Oh yeah! The women!"
>
>Kadhja Bonet is an awesome singer/songwriter/instrumentalist
>doing it right now.
>I make the posts. People mostly ignore them.
>
>Esperanza Spalding definitely belongs in this discussion.
>Georgia Anne Muldrow had one of the biggest and most
>unheralded impacts on music in the last decade.
>
>Even if we go back, Patrice Rushen played, sang, wrote... all
>of that.
>Aretha Franklin plays piano... always has.
>Kate Bush did all of that and was mad innovative.
>etc etc.
>
>Lauryn Hill is a legit top 5 emcee, but ppl will say she
>didn't have enough material yet accept Andre 3000 in her
>spot.
>
>A case can be made for all of the above being genius. Some of
>them aren't even arguable.
>
>As for Beyonce, I think she's a great dancer, but I don't see
>what makes her a genius. I really like her work ethic tho. I
>can tell alotta effort goes into her dancing and her vocals...
>which I think is why I struggle to call her genius, because
>geniuses make things look effortless, they innovate, make
>timeless art, etc. imo.
>
>
>


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21. "RE: points on Aretha..."
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Aretha did write a good many of her own songs... "Rock Steady" and "How Now Hey" are among them, which I think are fantastically written songs... genius, even. "Hey Now Hey" is quite the composition in general, actually. She also wrote the classic "Think" among others. As for her piano playing, I pointed this out because some say being multi-talented makes one a genius. I'm not one of those people, but genius for me is as much about what you can do with your ability as it is your ability. I've never ranked her piano playing on pure skill, but I like her translations and melodies such as what she did with "Young, Gifted, And Black" or "Call Me" (she wrote this song as well) and "You and Me." I could go on here with songs she wrote and how brilliant I think they are, but suffice to say I think she has multiple genius compositions. I'm not mad at anyone not calling her genius, mainly because I think her a genius based on how she's able to evoke emotion, and emotion is a very subjective thing. At the same time tho, most people don't seem to know how talented she actually is, thinking she's just a singer.

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23. "Didn’t know she was on piano for Young Gifted and Black"
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Also didn’t know she wrote the songs you noted above. Yeah I think she fits the genius tag, with all that info in place. There is also a lot of genius in vocal arrangement as well, which often gets overlooked. I understand that Beyonce arranges all her own vocals. I would rank Aretha over Beyonce tho.

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27. "it's worth remembering"
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That feeling hesitant to label vocalists or individual instrumentalists "geniuses" (whatever that word is worth) is a rather new development in music appreciation and criticism. Think of all the jazz vocalist geniuses: many of them (Vaughn, Holiday, Fitzgerald, Sinatra) wrote very little of their own music in a traditional sense. Jazz instrumentalists' reputations had as much to do with their interpretation of standards and their instrumental skill as with their own individual compositions for the bulk of the genre's history (at least half?). The grand divas of the opera stage have never been divas for their songwriting skills (they weren't writing their own shit); they've been divas because of their interpretive and musical skill. And we could go on and on with other examples...

I think it was lonesome_d that first pointed that tendency out to me ages ago and it really stuck. And it's worth considering how those instincts do, in fact, reinforce gender expectations and boundaries in music, among other things.


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9. "Are we limiting the scope to black women?"
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Because I know Jenna and Wesley do the podcast from the pov of being black.

I agree with the black women you mentioned, but I know that Joni Mitchell's name often comes up as genius and a risk taker musically.

I personally feel like Chaka Khan is a genius although not a songwriter or multi-instrumentalist (she is a drummer).

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13. "Wesley and the guest host kept the discussion to Black women"
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But I'm sure the phenomena affects women of other ethnicities as well.

I don't know. I think Joni is a genius, but I don't think I've ever read or heard of a journalist outright say the word 'genius'.

But like I said, I don't read a lot of music journalism in general and even less about folk and jazz so I'll defer to your opinion.

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11. "esperanza spalding thinks so"
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https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/9830-esperanza-spalding-insubordinate-by-nature/

Pitchfork: Jazz can feel generally very male...

ES: Everything is male, man. Everything is male.

Pitchfork: Have you experienced being in the studio and someone being like, “Hey, you don’t know how to do this”?

ES: Yeah, and sometimes I didn't know how, which is cool too. There’s two sides of the coin: One where people don't expect you to do anything and won't let you do anything because they think you don't know how, and then the other side is when you're fucking up but they won't tell you because you're a girl. Then you don’t learn. But ultimately all that is complete bullshit, because if you wanna become better and do whatever it is you're doing, that is the rip of a Band-Aid.

“There’s so much shit that reaches a lot of people that I don’t like at all. And then there’s the juiciest music that makes me so happy, and nobody cares that it’s there.”
Pitchfork: Are you generally fearless when you perform?

also "In the 1930s, with 800 women in the New York Musicians Union, I thought, 'How could there have been 800 women and none of them had any kind of impact on the music world?' It's almost impossible," Chaikin says. "Some of them had to be really talented. So I started doing the research, and little by little, the story began unfolding."
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14. "I could imagine those scenarios play out a lot with woman musicians"
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16. "We use the word genius too much these days"
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and yes, I think it’s overused for men, by men for obviously us reasons.

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17. "I think female voices can be genius on their own."
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There's millions of good singers in the world, but not all of them can invoke emotion from you like a Nai Palm,Florence Welsh or a Yukimi of Little Dragon.

There's definitely genius in that because it has to be cultivated and cared for to work on the level that we hear it on.

I think there's genius level voices from ladies that aren't super sucessful too like Nicole Wray and Jessie Reyez (I think she's gonna find that big hit tho one day.)

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18. "Aretha Franklin, Bessie Smith,Carol King,Valerie Simpson"
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Karen Carpenter,Etta James, Mahalia Jackson,Whitney Houston,Chaka Khan, Patrice Rushen, Roberta Flack, diana ross, donna summers, madonna, Dolly Parton,etc,, all hold there own period.

respect talent period.

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22. "Using the word "genius" colloquially was a white guy thing"
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When I see it in print, I often assume I'm getting a white male's perspective.

  

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24. "Beyonce? "
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30. "For Women in Jazz, a Year of Reckoning and Recognition"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/arts/music/year-in-jazz-women-musicians.html

By Giovanni Russonello
Dec. 1, 2017

For 77 hours straight in mid-September, the bassist and vocalist Esperanza Spalding broadcast live on Facebook as she wrote, rehearsed and recorded an entire album. The project, titled “Exposure,” was meant as a challenge to herself, but it became a display of dauntless prowess and grand ambition.

Viewers watched — usually a few thousand at a time — as Ms. Spalding demonstrated complex parts to her pianist, or decided whether to keep or ditch each take. “Exposure” showed that it was possible to turn the technical, obsessive process of recording jazz into a public spectacle. This could have fascinating implications.

That recording studios are among the most male-dominated spaces in the music industry and Ms. Spalding was often the only woman in the room felt like an afterthought at best.


Maybe it bears mentioning, though, that “Exposure” was one of many arresting statements made by female jazz instrumentalists this year. It has been a period of painful revelation and reckoning for women in the workplace across the country, and the same was true for jazz. But 2017 also felt like a moment of progress.

The drummer Terri Lyne Carrington said female instrumentalists are getting more recognition as awareness of the inequalities in jazz grows.CreditPeter Van Breukelen/Redferns, via Getty Images
Possibly for the first time, festival presenters could no longer get away with booking one or two female musicians next to a heap of men. “The awareness of it not being equitable for men and women in jazz has really come to a bit of a head,” said Terri Lyne Carrington, 52, an esteemed drummer who has long spoken out about sexism in the music industry. “As far as it resulting in more female instrumentalists becoming recognized — whether it’s albums or festivals or gigs — that’s steadily getting better.”


The year began with a reminder of how much work remains to be done. In March, the pianist and blogger Ethan Iverson posted an interview with Robert Glasper, a prominent fusion pianist, in which Mr. Glasper said he understood what female listeners wanted out of jazz. “They don’t love a whole lot of soloing,” he said. “When you hit that one groove and stay there, it’s like musical clitoris. You’re there, you stay on that groove, and the women’s eyes close and they start to sway, going into a trance.” He didn’t seem to imagine that the simplest way to attract female listeners might be to put more women onstage.

The comments — and Mr. Iverson’s obstreperous initial defense of his decision to publish them on a blog that had never run an interview with a female musician — drew a sharp backlash, partly because these days a quorum of women in jazz fully expect to be heard.

Perhaps the most startling debut albums in jazz this year were “Fly or Die,” by the trumpeter Jaimie Branch, and “Mannequins,” by the drummer Kate Gentile. Ms. Gentile plays original compositions that are at once grimy and resonant, tightly layered and charged with momentum. Ms. Branch uses extended technique and blustery abstraction to a dizzying effect.

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The cellist Tomeka Reid said that as she was getting involved with improvised music she had women role models: “I saw women leaders, women composers.”CreditRyan Collerd for The New York Times
A mentor to Ms. Branch, the flutist Nicole Mitchell, 50, had a banner year herself. The highlight was “Mandorla Awakening II: Emerging Worlds,” an album recorded with her Black Earth Ensemble, an eight-piece band playing percussion, strings and reeds from traditions across the globe. The suite bears the markings of communal expression, with a sound that’s grounded and raw.

The cellist Tomeka Reid, another acolyte of Ms. Mitchell’s, spent her year playing high-profile gigs with her own projects as well as with luminaries like Anthony Braxton and Roscoe Mitchell. She released an album with the saxophonist Nick Mazzarella and one with Hear in Now, a powerful trio of female string players.

“I really feel like I had a unique experience because I came up under Nicole and Dee Alexander,” Ms. Reid said. “When I was just getting into improvised music, I saw women leaders, women composers. I saw women putting projects together.”

In October, the Spanish-born pianist Marta Sánchez celebrated the release of a fine new album, “Danza Imposible,” with a performance at the Jazz Gallery, her quartet playing deft, loosely spooled originals and passing the melodies between instruments. Simona Premazzi also released a remarkable album this year, “Outspoken,” replete with tilting melodies and craftily idiosyncratic piano playing.

Even more than the piano, the tenor saxophone is an instrument whose major figures have nearly all been men. Yet you’re hard-pressed to find rising talents more exciting than Camille Thurman, whose sound is as commodious and strong as Hank Mobley’s, or Melissa Aldana, the winner of the famous Thelonious Monk competition. Closer to the stylistic fringe, the saxophonist María Grand, 25, released her debut EP, “Tetrawind,” an infectious bit of avant-funk.

Ms. Thurman almost didn’t pursue a career in music. At New York’s prestigious Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music and Art and Performing Arts, she endured sabotage from male classmates and a shrugging response from teachers. “A few of them really made it difficult for us females in the band,” she said of her classmates, remembering that some girls quit playing altogether. “It’s implemented at an early age, these concepts of what gender is and what you’re supposed to do.”

The most noteworthy piece of writing to come out of the Iverson-Glasper fiasco was a nearly 6,000-word blog post by the vibraphonist Sasha Berliner, a 19-year-old jazz student at the New School. In it she tells of being overlooked or underestimated by teachers — despite her formidable talent — and reveals that she was sexually harassed by a figure whom she relied upon for gigs in the small San Francisco scene.

“I’ve witnessed it happen to a lot of my female peers, who are very young, and that’s discouraged them,” Ms. Berliner said in an interview.

The 19-year-old vibraphonist Sasha Berliner wrote a 6,000-word blog post about sexism in jazz in response to an interview Robert Glasper did with the pianist and blogger Ethan Iverson.CreditSF Jazz

The issues she had raised found a disconcerting resonance in November, when The Boston Globe published a series of reports about accusations of sexual misconduct by faculty members at Berklee College of Music. The Globe reported allegations that the trombonist Jeff Galindo — a faculty member who had since left the school and was teaching elsewhere — sexually assaulted a student, and that other former professors had tried to pressure students into kissing or sex. (Mr. Galindo did not respond to a request for comment.) At an emotionally charged town hall meeting, the school’s president, Roger Brown, acknowledged that 11 faculty members had been quietly dismissed over sexual misconduct allegations in the past 13 years.

The school has laid out some action items in response to the uproar, but a group of professors is calling for Berklee to intentionally raise its female representation of faculty and students to 50 percent by 2025.

More and more, organizations are starting to clarify their goals of inclusion. The influential pianist Geri Allen, who died this year at 60, left behind a program at the New Jersey Performing Arts Center, the All-Female Jazz Residency, which allows young women to learn directly from top jazz musicians. It’s not the only one of its kind.

In Montclair, N.J., the nonprofit Jazz House Kids brings jazz education to a diverse grade school population. Its president and founder, Melissa Walker, has spent the past five years beefing up her female faculty and developing a residency for girls called Chica Power.


The tenor saxophonist Camille Thurman, an exciting rising talent, said she almost didn’t pursue a career in music because of sexism at her high school.CreditNicholas Hunt/Getty Images for Jazz at Lincoln Center
“The young girls would ask questions and talk about how they’re in their high school jazz band and they’re not invited to solo, or their teacher will say young girls in jazz don’t play as well as boys,” Ms. Walker said. “These sessions began to really reveal that a little ‘chica power’ is needed.”

Looking again at Mr. Glasper’s comments, he was verging toward a critical point. Contemporary jazz hasn’t figured out how to relate to its audience. Crowds often seem to wonder, Are we here to share an improvisational ritual or to quietly consume a luxury item? This fall I saw two bright moments when artists offered novel responses to this question, reframing the act of performance and pulling the audience in close.


The flutist Claire Chase (not a jazz musician by trade, but an improviser deeply influenced by jazz), playing in Philadelphia at the October Revolution of Jazz & Contemporary Music, ended her solo set by leading the entire audience in a rendition of Pauline Oliveros’s “Listening Meditation,” during which everyone in the room sang in spontaneous harmony.

Two weeks later, the alto saxophonist Matana Roberts was performing at the BRIC Jazzfest in Downtown Brooklyn when she asked the crowd to hum a single note as she improvised. She cued our voices with one hand and played with the other. Periodically, she would take the saxophone from her mouth and blurt out an observation or a quip, typically something personal, mostly about how she was coping with life in the Trump era. Other times, she invited listeners to ask her questions. Then she would resume playing, and the audience would again start to sing. By the end of this show, the entire room was smiling, making eye contact, moved.

There’s nothing to suggest that these two musicians expressed themselves in any particular way because of their gender. But what we know is that until recently they might not have been in a position to stand up onstage alone, addressing the audience with generosity and informality, empowering the room, imagining the music as a space of open unity.

  

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Her 2017 album - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txg1MW2S4Ts

https://thevinylfactory.com/features/yazz-ahmed-women-in-jazz/
With her new LP of ‘Psychedelic Arabic Jazz’ La Saboteuse out now, British-Bahraini trumpet player Yazz Ahmed discusses the challenges facing women in the resurgent modern jazz scene.

As I gaze out of the window watching an early summer rain shower, I ponder on my feelings about the UK jazz scene and where this music is heading in the 21st Century.

2017 marks the both the 100th anniversary of the first jazz recording and the birthday of Ella Fitzgerald but jazz is not a music of the past.

Like the gnarly roots of an ancient tree, spreading out in many different directions, it has become a very diverse scene and is now a truly global art form. It’s almost impossible to keep track of the mutations, evolutions and sub genres, there are so many threads to the story. This is an exciting time for jazz and I think the future is looking very interesting.

Artists such as Kamasi Washington, both in his collaborations with Kendrick Lamar and with the release of his debut album, The Epic, David Bowie’s collaboration with the Donny McCaslin band on Blackstar and, here in the UK, Shabaka Hutchings work with The Comet Is Coming and The Sons of Kemet, and Mobo award winners Binker & Moses, who recently appeared on mainstream TV, gracing Later with Jools Holland, are all reshaping jazz and reaching out to a new audience.

Let me tell you a bit about myself. I’m a British-Bahraini trumpet player and composer and in the last few years I’ve been seeking a way to express myself by developing a musical language which resonates with my growing sense of identity.



My new release, La Saboteuse, is an exploration of the music of my Middle Eastern heritage seen through the light of my jazz background, but also reflects the influence of recent collaborations with creative musicians from the fields of rock, ambient music and sound design, such as Radiohead, These New Puritans and Jason Singh.

The underlying theme of this album is the relationship between the optimism of my conscious self and the seductive voice of my self-destructive inclinations, my inner saboteur, La Saboteuse. One of the reasons her voice can be so loud at times is my occasional lack of self-belief as a female jazz musician. It has been challenging making my way in what has been in the past largely a male preserve.

Things are changing but there is still a noticeable gender imbalance in jazz, which lags behind the classical world, where measures such as ‘blind auditions’ have been in place for many years. Reference the Jazz at The Lincoln Center Orchestra which only recently adopted this policy, having been criticised for not having employed a female musician in its near thirty year history.

I’m not counting singers here, because they are well established in the jazz tradition. Many is the time a female band member will be greeted with, “are you the singer?”

This is a question I’m fed up with hearing, in fact I’m thinking of adopting a new tactic of just saying yes and then surprising them when I get on stage!



Throughout the history of jazz there have been notable female instrumentalists and composers, such as Mary Lou Williams and Alice Coltrane, and since the 1980s their number has grown to include the likes of Eliane Elias, Carla Bley, Toshiko Akiyoshi, Regina Carter and Maria Schneider, and more recently Terri Lyne Carrington’s Mosaic Project. But they are few and far between.

When I was in my late teens and becoming serious about my jazz studies, I would search in vain for female trumpet players online, looking for inspirational female role models.

It wasn’t until I got into Myspace that I discovered Kiku Collins, who played with Beyoncé and the Canadian virtuoso, Ingrid Jensen, recognised as one of the most creative and influential players of our times, with whom I went on to study.



One of the reasons that there is a comparative lack of female jazz musicians on the scene is that their male counterparts often don’t book female side musicians to play in their own bands. I’m not saying this is deliberate, there are many subconscious reasons for this, but one issue that has been identified is that at the time the boys are developing as musicians, in their mid to late teens, they can become more competitive than girls. There is a strong tradition in jazz of outdoing each other at jam sessions, seeing who can play faster, louder, higher or who can negotiate complex harmonic sequences in the most impressive way.

Speaking in general terms, girls may be more interested in expression and co-operation, working collectively to achieve an musical result greater than the sum of its parts. Culturally, they may have a greater fear of appearing stupid or of being judged for making mistakes than boys who are happy to be the centre of attention. I’ve experienced this kind of pressure myself in the past and it put me off. I’ve also seen this same reaction in my students when I’ve led jam sessions. The girls can be reluctant to take risks in a competitive environment, because they don’t want to be ridiculed. They end up shrinking and taking a back seat. The thing is that in order to progress one needs the opportunity to learn by making mistakes but this really needs to be done in an environment that feels safe and supportive.

As a result of these factors, like many women before me, I was forced to start my own band in an attempt to get my voice heard. I am happy to say that most of my bands are very gender balanced, actually not by design, it’s just the players I like working with, but the ten piece ensemble I created to play my suite, Alhaan Al Siduri in 2015, was actually 50/50 men and women.



There is a subtly different feeling to working with a more equal line up. It’s more co-operative, less competitive. The music is discussed, people have respect for each other and everybody feels free to speak up and contribute fully to the creative process during rehearsals, recordings and on gigs.

Things are definitely changing for the better with regard to gender equality in the UK jazz scene and I think it’s important to recognise the work done by, amongst others, Blow The Fuse, who have been promoting female composers and performers for 30 years, Serious, with their artist development scheme, ‘Take Five’, PRSF Women Make Music, who commission and support female artists and Issie Barratt’s National Youth Jazz Collective. All of these have played a major role in championing and nurturing female jazz musicians over the last several years but I would like to make particular mention of Tomorrow’s Warriors. They have had diversity and gender balance at the heart of their inspiring educational and professional projects based at the Southbank Centre. This has recently produced the uplifting and inspiring young female band Nérija, featuring the exciting talents of saxophonist Nubya Garcia and guitarist, Shirley Tetteh.

All these organisations have played a part in the fact that when I look around today, I see lots of young talented female jazz trumpeters, such as Sheila Maurice-Grey, Laura Jurd and the precocious winner of the BBC Young Jazz Musician of the Year, Alex Ridout. This is in great contrast to when I was embarking on my career ten years ago, where I felt I was on my own.

Other notable and more established instrumentalists on the London scene include pianists, Nikki Yeoh, Nikki Illes and Alcyona Mick, and saxophonists Tori Freestone, Josephine Davies and Alison Neale.

The other aspect of the jazz scene that could do with a bit of a shake up regarding gender balance are the audiences. The typical jazz club audience in the UK is predominantly white, male and over fifty. Interestingly when I have performed with my bands overseas it’s been a different story. In Lviv, Ukraine, I played outside to thousands of young men and women, in Berlin the enthusiastic crowd sat on beanbags. In Algeria my gig was a night out for the whole family and in Bahrain and Kuwait the audience was full of young hipsters.

I think that younger audiences don’t see female musicians as a novelty and this is very encouraging.



Collocutor at Church of Sound. Photo by James Clothier

Perhaps contacting new audiences has something to do with the atmosphere and choice of venue too. With many of the established jazz clubs in the UK the decor and general ambience already put off potential new listeners. I like the idea of bringing jazz out from the dark cellars and hidden nooks into the open, playing at the bigger more eclectic music venues and festivals, seeking that audience which would love the music if they got a chance to hear it.

If it is to survive, then jazz must continue to evolve and I think there is a responsibility on artists to be inclusive, to look for ways to invite new listeners by making music relevant to today.

I also feel that jazz, as a hybrid art form, should sound different if it comes from London, Helsinki, Vancouver, Addis Ababa or Beijing, reflecting and absorbing local sounds and traditions. This is something I’ve been seeking to do in my own music, which an Algerian reviewer recently described as ‘Psychedelic Arabic Jazz’ and to be honest, I‘m pretty happy with that.

Illustration by Gaurab Thakali.

  

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