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"Moment of Truth came out 20 years ago this weekend"


  

          

And we're coming up on the same with Soul Survivor in 6 months. I'm going to make a subsection for each song and we'll discuss them there, and save the rest for the album as a whole.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
"You Know My Steez"
Apr 01st 2018
1
the rhyme style is elevated, the style of beats is elevated...
Apr 04th 2018
74
This beat remains an all-time favorite.
Apr 04th 2018
75
"Robbin Hood Theory"
Apr 01st 2018
2
Everyone talks about the Royalty flip, but this one is as good to me
Apr 02nd 2018
52
      I can't think of another album since
Apr 03rd 2018
58
           It's the best pure boom bap album front to back
Apr 03rd 2018
66
"Work"
Apr 01st 2018
3
Favorite song on the album and one of my GS tracks ever
Apr 01st 2018
23
"Royalty" feat. K-Ci and Jojo
Apr 01st 2018
4
RE: "Royalty" feat. K-Ci and Jojo
Apr 01st 2018
30
"Above the Clouds" feat. Inspectah Deck
Apr 01st 2018
5
My all-time favorite Premo beat.
Apr 01st 2018
My all-time favorite Premo beat.
Apr 01st 2018
26
Top 5 Premo beat for me.
Apr 02nd 2018
34
HOF album "filler" cut status
Apr 02nd 2018
38
      GURU held his own because
Apr 02nd 2018
42
      let me tell you how wrong you are
Apr 03rd 2018
57
      Y'all are gonna get enough of underrating Guru's lyricism.
Apr 06th 2018
101
           matter of fact I'm posting this anyway
Apr 08th 2018
105
      Since when was filler simply a non-single?
Apr 02nd 2018
54
"JFK 2 LAX"
Apr 01st 2018
6
RE: underrated album cut
Apr 01st 2018
31
This set of tracks is so dope.
Apr 02nd 2018
32
Yeah well your boy Guru got knocked.... WHAT?!?!?!
Apr 02nd 2018
41
I love songs like this that talk about jail shit
Apr 06th 2018
99
"Itz a Set Up" feat. Hannibal Stax
Apr 01st 2018
7
Least favorite of mine.
Apr 02nd 2018
49
"Moment of Truth"
Apr 01st 2018
8
The 2nd verse was by far Guru's greatest performance of his career.
Apr 01st 2018
27
Tend to agree with you here. This was some deep shit.
Apr 02nd 2018
35
real talk.
Apr 04th 2018
70
I remember hearing that verse for the first time
Apr 06th 2018
98
I’ve always wanted to know what the women in the voicemail look like
Apr 02nd 2018
45
If they look like their voices sounded, pretty nice I would think.
Apr 02nd 2018
55
      the latina
Apr 03rd 2018
64
...and now some scandalous motherfuckers wanna take what's mine...
Apr 04th 2018
79
      The line that hit me the most was the one just before it.
Apr 06th 2018
102
"B.I. vs Friendship" feat. M.O.P.
Apr 01st 2018
9
"The Militia" feat. Big Shug & Freddie Foxxxx
Apr 01st 2018
10
EVEN MECHANICS WALK AROUND WITH THEY TOOLS!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 04th 2018
83
      this album is filled with astounding guest verses
Apr 06th 2018
96
"The Rep Grows Bigga"
Apr 01st 2018
11
I feel like its the most under-appreciated joint on the album
Apr 01st 2018
29
      "no matter how bizarre and different you think you are"
Apr 06th 2018
97
           That third verse is the Gang Starr mission statement.
Apr 08th 2018
107
                couldn't have said it better
Apr 10th 2018
108
"What I'm Here 4"
Apr 01st 2018
12
Piano beats are always the best
Apr 02nd 2018
51
^^^^ yes they are !!!
Apr 02nd 2018
56
FIYAH
Apr 04th 2018
72
"She Knowz What She Wantz" (co-produced by Guru)
Apr 01st 2018
13
underrated song, love the minimalist vibe of it
Apr 01st 2018
14
to me the only dud in a flawless album n/m
Apr 02nd 2018
33
i wasnt feeling this one
Apr 02nd 2018
43
only song on the album I don't listen to
Apr 04th 2018
82
"New York Strait Talk"
Apr 01st 2018
15
Reminds me of Comin' For Datazz, but in a good way
Apr 04th 2018
78
"My Advice 2 You"
Apr 01st 2018
16
This might be my favorite
Apr 01st 2018
25
My favorite joint
Apr 01st 2018
28
      the way he sounds like an OG talking to a young person
Apr 03rd 2018
62
"Make 'Em Pay" feat. Krumbsnatcha (1st indie artist with a HHQ)
Apr 01st 2018
17
If Guru made this or chose this sample, it's definitely his best beat ev...
Apr 02nd 2018
48
      yeah the loop is his, Primo did the drum programming and bass
Apr 06th 2018
93
"The Mall" feat. G-Dep & Shiggy Sha
Apr 01st 2018
18
pretty much the one weak track.
Apr 02nd 2018
39
I actually like this one
Apr 02nd 2018
50
Example of how an awful hook can sink a song
Apr 02nd 2018
53
No joke, one of my favorite songs on MoT
Apr 03rd 2018
61
This was one of my fav....brings back memories of Albee Sq.
Apr 04th 2018
71
my introduction to Dep...love this joint
Apr 04th 2018
80
"Betrayal" feat. Uncle Brad
Apr 01st 2018
19
The beat is just perfect.
Apr 02nd 2018
47
fits both Guru and Scarface perfectly
Apr 03rd 2018
59
Someone wrote Scarface raps like an Old Testament prophet on this
Apr 03rd 2018
67
      that was one of the last times he used that Untouchable-era flow
Apr 06th 2018
92
"Next Time" (co-produced by Guru)
Apr 01st 2018
20
Love this track. Beat is fire.
Apr 02nd 2018
36
3rd fave on the album. Bring scratching back.......
Apr 02nd 2018
40
One of my absolute favorites, on album and in canon
Apr 04th 2018
77
"In Memory Of…"
Apr 01st 2018
21
This one is my favorite
Apr 02nd 2018
46
True Life Story Time...
Apr 04th 2018
76
"Ambrosia For Heads" did a live convo with Primo about MoT
Apr 01st 2018
22
Shameless plug: Tribute that I wrote for the anniversary (LINK)
Apr 01st 2018
24
what an amazing album
Apr 02nd 2018
37
Discover Samples On Gang Starr's 'Moment of Truth'
Apr 02nd 2018
44
Guru put in an all-time performance on this album
Apr 03rd 2018
60
Guru is a really easy rapper to understand
Apr 03rd 2018
63
And it was rewarded with a Gold plaque.
Apr 03rd 2018
65
Is this the longest “all killer, no filler” hip-hop album?
Apr 03rd 2018
68
In terms of length, the two Pete Rock and CL albums are the only ones...
Apr 03rd 2018
69
this is a good point
Apr 04th 2018
73
A lot seems to be filler to me
Apr 04th 2018
84
You have some of the strangest opinions on here man
Apr 04th 2018
85
YUP
Apr 04th 2018
89
I'd never question another man's opinion...
Apr 04th 2018
86
Ha. These would probably constitute my favorite tracks on the album:
Apr 04th 2018
87
My advice 2 you is filler?
Apr 04th 2018
88
yeah, a lot of these are my favorites
Apr 05th 2018
91
Cole...
Apr 06th 2018
94
and honestly, fuck the complaints about those two songs
Apr 06th 2018
95
I never had a problem with either joint...
Apr 07th 2018
103
      me neither
Apr 08th 2018
106
RE: Is this the longest “all killer, no filler” hip-hop album?
Apr 07th 2018
104
might be the greatest lyrics + beats combination ever
Apr 04th 2018
81
this is the thread of the year, not sure it'll be beat
Apr 05th 2018
90
PLATINUM BANGER
Apr 06th 2018
100

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1. ""You Know My Steez" "
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74. "the rhyme style is elevated, the style of beats is elevated..."
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Wed Apr-04-18 09:57 AM by The Analyst

  

          

but it's still GURU and Premier.

Edit: And there's always a message involved...

Personal favorite GS album.

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75. "This beat remains an all-time favorite."
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Great song.

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2. ""Robbin Hood Theory" "
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52. "Everyone talks about the Royalty flip, but this one is as good to me"
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It's a little easier to noodle around and create something like Royalty than people think. But the catch for this one is what makes Premier stand out above the rest.

  

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58. "I can't think of another album since"
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with the exception of Soul Survivor and maybe Donuts, that has as many amazing flips as this album does. He was in another zone from pretty much everybody. But this record here is proof that from a technical standpoint, Primo is on anybody's level you can name.

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66. "It's the best pure boom bap album front to back"
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Like you might as well have closed the door on the whole subgenre after that album.

  

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3. ""Work" "
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23. "Favorite song on the album and one of my GS tracks ever"
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Sun Apr-01-18 12:30 PM by mrhood75

  

          

Primo's chopping skills were so immaculate here. Love how Guru combines talking shit and schooling MCs about the importance of having a solid work ethic.

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4. ""Royalty" feat. K-Ci and Jojo"
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Sun Apr-01-18 10:39 AM by Garhart Poppwell

  

          

nmfm

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30. "RE: "Royalty" feat. K-Ci and Jojo"
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Great change up track on a classic LP....so dope...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

  

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5. ""Above the Clouds" feat. Inspectah Deck "
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"My all-time favorite Premo beat."


          

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26. "My all-time favorite Premo beat."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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34. "Top 5 Premo beat for me."
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38. "HOF album "filler" cut status"
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of course it's waaaaaaay better than just simple "filler". I just mean filler in the sense that it wasn't a lead single.

But the concept of getting murdered or outshone on your own track (even though GURU held his own fine) was solidified with this. Deck just came outta nowhere with a hellified verbal shotgun blast.

But the track is solid from beginning to end and is one of Premo's best beats.
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"To Each His Reach"

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Fuck aliens.

  

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42. "GURU held his own because"
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Deck wrote his verse. Guru doesn't rhyme like "The brainwave causes vessels to circulate like constellations reflect at night off the lake"

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57. "let me tell you how wrong you are"
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not only did Guru write his verse, he wrote it before Deck came to the studio-it was Deck who was trying to match Guru's verse.

The idea that Guru would seek out younger emcees he respected and have them write his verses for him-on a GangStarr album-when the whole point is to test himself against is foolish and more than a bit disrespectful. I'd post the clip where Deck tells the story himself, but you'd probably say he was being generous or something.

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101. "Y'all are gonna get enough of underrating Guru's lyricism."
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Dude is dope. Period. His verse on "Above the Clouds" sounds nothing like Inspectah Deck. He just showed that he can switch it up, which should be no surprise since he never had a problem with speaking on different topics. I can see if he was a one trick pony who's always relying on one or two subject matters with no variation of sort prior to that song. Then it would make sense if you look at him as having a ghostwriter.



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105. "matter of fact I'm posting this anyway"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4JUc3Xv7tI

you right though, that shit will get old one day

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54. "Since when was filler simply a non-single?"
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6. ""JFK 2 LAX""
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31. "RE: underrated album cut"
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always loved the sample used in this joint...

  

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32. "This set of tracks is so dope. "
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41. "Yeah well your boy Guru got knocked.... WHAT?!?!?!"
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99. "I love songs like this that talk about jail shit"
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that pull the curtain back on the prison system instead of glorifying it.

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7. ""Itz a Set Up" feat. Hannibal Stax "
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49. "Least favorite of mine."
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I mean the chops are cool and all, but this one is one of two skippers on this whole album.

  

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8. ""Moment of Truth""
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27. "The 2nd verse was by far Guru's greatest performance of his career."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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35. "Tend to agree with you here. This was some deep shit."
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70. "real talk. "
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98. "I remember hearing that verse for the first time"
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and not moving. Like literally being still because of what I just heard. I haven't done that a lot as long as I've been listening to Hip Hop.

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45. "I’ve always wanted to know what the women in the voicemail look like"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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55. "If they look like their voices sounded, pretty nice I would think."
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<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

  

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64. "the latina"
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I know it's just an audio skit but I need to meet her.

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79. "...and now some scandalous motherfuckers wanna take what's mine..."
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but they can't take the respect that I've earned in my lifetime.
That line hits me so hard. Guru was just in a different place this entire album.

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102. "The line that hit me the most was the one just before it."
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I put down the knife and took the bullets outta my nine/My only crime was that I'm too damn kind.

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9. ""B.I. vs Friendship" feat. M.O.P."
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10. ""The Militia" feat. Big Shug & Freddie Foxxxx"
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83. "EVEN MECHANICS WALK AROUND WITH THEY TOOLS!!!!!!!!!! "
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96. "this album is filled with astounding guest verses "
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and Freddie had been on a tear since the first Funkmaster Flex album. Honestly I can't pick between this and I Luv as his best verse that year.

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11. ""The Rep Grows Bigga""
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29. "I feel like its the most under-appreciated joint on the album"
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It gets sorta side-tracked out the gate by the overlong skit (the worst part of the album), but the beat and lyrics are pretty top notch. Really Guru's flow on this one.

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97. ""no matter how bizarre and different you think you are""
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your team could never dream of competing with GangStarr" pretty much sums up my sentiments about the direction Hip Hop took back then, and still to this day. Different/=good or better.

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107. "That third verse is the Gang Starr mission statement."
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"Fed up so we headed on a serious mission / Wishing that we could better our position
Two businessmen, Guru and Preme, we enterprised / Too strong to be stepped on, creatively wise / The dedicated ministers of underground sound / When we're doin our thing, you know we don't fuck around."

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108. "couldn't have said it better"
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and it still holds true because we still need that presence.

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12. ""What I'm Here 4""
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51. "Piano beats are always the best"
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And this one is among the best of any pure-piano beats ever.

  

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56. "^^^^ yes they are !!!"
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72. "FIYAH"
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13. ""She Knowz What She Wantz" (co-produced by Guru)"
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nmfm

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14. "underrated song, love the minimalist vibe of it"
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nmfm

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33. "to me the only dud in a flawless album n/m"
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https://www.instagram.com/christiancgarrido/

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43. "i wasnt feeling this one"
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�Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.�-- Warren Coolidge

  

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82. "only song on the album I don't listen to"
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15. ""New York Strait Talk""
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78. "Reminds me of Comin' For Datazz, but in a good way"
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Beat was hard, Guru's verse was hard, on some straight unapologetic NYC steez.

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
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16. ""My Advice 2 You""
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25. "This might be my favorite"
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It's hard to choose one though, classic album. I can't believe it's 20 years old.

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28. "My favorite joint "
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Perfect song

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

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62. "the way he sounds like an OG talking to a young person"
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when he's really talking to one of his peers is pretty striking. And he did it without pretense or condescension, while also talking about himself.

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17. ""Make 'Em Pay" feat. Krumbsnatcha (1st indie artist with a HHQ)"
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48. "If Guru made this or chose this sample, it's definitely his best beat ev..."
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This actually hangs with Premier's throughout this album which is obviously the highest of praise you can get as a "producer-second" rapper.

  

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93. "yeah the loop is his, Primo did the drum programming and bass"
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it's a great sample because it's not something that sounds ordinary, like it sounds like something anybody else would use as an intro or transition or something instead of just letting it ride. And boy did Krumb spazz out on this.

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18. ""The Mall" feat. G-Dep & Shiggy Sha"
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39. "pretty much the one weak track. "
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"To Each His Reach"

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50. "I actually like this one"
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Lyrics are obviously a bit shallow and downright cringeworthy at moments, the beat is as good as any other on the album.

  

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53. "Example of how an awful hook can sink a song"
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Really like the beat. Really like G-Dep's verse. Guru is solid too. But man, that hook? So, so bad.

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61. "No joke, one of my favorite songs on MoT"
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Back then I had lots of disposable income and no responsibilities so I’d waste all my time and money at the mall.

And this shit was my theme song.

One of the few “light” moments on the album.

And one of my favorite primo beats.


Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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71. "This was one of my fav....brings back memories of Albee Sq."
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80. "my introduction to Dep...love this joint"
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19. ""Betrayal" feat. Uncle Brad"
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47. "The beat is just perfect."
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Perfect mood for the song.

  

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59. "fits both Guru and Scarface perfectly"
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that fact alone is noteworthy because neither of them sound out of place on it. It could've been on a Brad album too, the tone and pacing fits him perfect. I don't know if people appreciate how hard that would be to pull off.

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67. "Someone wrote Scarface raps like an Old Testament prophet on this"
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That's a pretty apt description.

Such a dope song.

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92. "that was one of the last times he used that Untouchable-era flow"
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I always loved how esoteric it made him sound when he rapped like that.

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20. ""Next Time" (co-produced by Guru)"
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nmfm

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36. "Love this track. Beat is fire."
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40. "3rd fave on the album. Bring scratching back......."
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Love the end of the joint.
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77. "One of my absolute favorites, on album and in canon"
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Kind of basic when you hear the original sample, but sooooooooo freakin' dope. Guru was absolutely locked in on this one too. Songs like this really make me miss Guru on another level.

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21. ""In Memory Of…""
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46. "This one is my favorite"
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Super cool use of the Paul Horn sample. It definitely inspired my range of what to dig for and Premier really is the master of using weird sounds and making them melodic.

It's also a great shout out track when most of the time shout out tracks are kind of boring and simply offer a fitting end to an album rather than stand on their own.

  

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76. "True Life Story Time..."
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My mom has a big family. 6 brothers, 3 sisters. Naturally, that means a bunch of cousins born within a similar period of time. There were like 12 of us that were born withing 3 years of each other. As we got older, we get to hang out with each other. One of the clusters of cousins that would always be together were me (oldest), Mario (I'm a year older), Rick (Got him by 2 years) my brother (younger than Rich by 2 months), and Ronnie (Rick's brother, younger by a year). Ron was always the jokester of the family. He would cone out the mouth with something slick and you HAD to laugh at it, no matter how mad you were at him. I remember one time we were at an arcade in VA where the majority of the clientele was white. Now, Street Fighter II was all the rage, and my brother and I had put in work in our local arcades, and were not to be f'ed with. So, we get our quarter up on the marquee and proceed to destroy any and all comers. Meanwhile, Ronnie is behind us providing commentary on the beatdown. Every time a combo landed, Ron was like 'That's my cousin WHIPPIN YO' AZZZZZZ...' I nearly lost a few rounds laughing at him doing that

By high school Ronnie was diagnosed with MS. Strangely enough, I had done plenty of reading drives in elementary school to fund research for this, but never thought it would hit home. When I say that disease was quick and devastating, it's an understatement. Here was the kid that was quick to make a joke and roast someone but wouldn't walk across the stage at his graduation (my uncle pushed him in his wheelchair to get his diploma). The same guy that was trying to mix Jack Daniels with a Lil' Hug as a chaser (a horrible idea that we still laugh about to this day) couldn't pee by himself because he had the shakes like Parkinson's. In the later stages, his face looked exactly like our grandfather, who passed in '94.

Our aunts and uncles figures since we had a large family, the younger ones should act as pallbearers in the event one of the family died. May as well carry our own, right? The first time I had to do that was my grandfather, as mentioned. It was a windy, cold April afternoon, and the 5 of us and my younger cousin Wayne (also in that cluster with us, but I didn't see as much for other reasons) carried our grandfather to his final resting place. Ron, ever the joker, was talking all the way from the hearse to the grave site: 'Alright fellas, be careful on this grass. We can't slip and have Granddad fall out this casket and roll down the hill. Grandma will pass out, Aunt Pam be mad at us...' All of us are now trying not to laugh, as this is a serious occasion, but he was right.

5 years later, Ron had passed. Pneumonia. MS wouldn't allow his body to fight it. Now we had to bury him.

There wasn't a dry eye in the funeral home that afternoon. For the cousins, the weight of burying one of our own was almost too much to bear mentally. Having to physically carry that casket? All of us wanted to do it, and none of us wanted to do it at the same time. I can't even describe how heavy that was.

On our drive t my cousin's house for the repast, my brother pulled out the CD player and adapter in the Saturn SL2 and put on 'In Memory Of'. If I'm going to a funeral I'll listen to this one. Even went and found the Paul Horn original, as it's really a beautiful sample on it's own merit. But it will always remind me of my cousin Ronnie Rush.

Rest in peace.

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22. ""Ambrosia For Heads" did a live convo with Primo about MoT"
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It's about an hour long and on their FB page. Gets into some of the background of the songs and how the album came together. Some interesting stuff.

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24. "Shameless plug: Tribute that I wrote for the anniversary (LINK)"
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Needless to say, it's a great album. In the process of doing all my re-listens before writing the piece, I'm pretty convinced it's their best album (before I had it second to Hard to Earn). Both Guru and Primo really kicked it up a couple of notches.

http://www.albumism.com/features/tribute-celebrating-20-years-of-gang-starr-moment-of-truth

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37. "what an amazing album"
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just reading the track names in this thread its crazy how many great songs were on this. im going to have to listen to the whole album soon.

  

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44. "Discover Samples On Gang Starr's 'Moment of Truth' "
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60. "Guru put in an all-time performance on this album"
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Song after song, no matter the tone or energy, he turns out steady and impeccable verses...and that's before you get the more personal and heady material. I don't know if anybody has laid themselves bare with as much precision and care as he did on this album. He could've gave us another Hard to Earn lyrically and topically, but he upped the ante.

The sequencing, production, verses, album art...everything just comes together astoundingly. Execution on this level rarely happens anymore, not to this degree of excellence.

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63. "Guru is a really easy rapper to understand"
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It feels like the guy just speaks with such clarity and eloquence that you wonder why nobody else seems to do it just such ease. I never struggle to listen to him, it just comes through.

  

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65. "And it was rewarded with a Gold plaque. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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68. "Is this the longest “all killer, no filler” hip-hop album?"
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Usually at 20 tracks you either have interludes or lesser songs that weigh the album down.

Despite complaints about The Mall or SKWSW, this album really is quality from 1-20.

Is there any other hip-hop album even in that same realm?

We also know there were a few joints left off...with those and some we’ve probably never heard, this could’ve been the best double album easily.

Primo was killing it in 98 with this and First Family 4 Life.

  

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69. "In terms of length, the two Pete Rock and CL albums are the only ones..."
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...I can think of.

Both are 16-tracks (though the tape version is 18 tracks and a little under 90 minutes). Both **may** have a track or two I don't love, but nothing I'd call filler.

Also, maybe Only Built 4 Cuban Linx. 18 tracks, 74 minutes. No real filler.

But yes, Moment of Truth is in an absolute rarified air in that regard.

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73. "this is a good point"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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84. "A lot seems to be filler to me"
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To me the was not their best album - I think Hard To Earn might be that for me: Code of the Streets, Tonz 'o Gunz, the Planet, DWYCK, Mass Appeal, Mostly Tha Voice,Comin' for Datazz.

I think, for me, that some of the tracks were too long for their own good.

Royalty is a nice track, but would you really miss 60 seconds of it? Same with Above the Clouds. And B.I. Vs. Friendship.

Definitely remove the first 60 seconds of The Rep Growz Bigga and New York Strait Talk.

Filler tracks for me:
Robbin' Hood Theory
Work
JFK 2 LAX
Moment Of Truth
She Knowz What She Wantz
My Advice 2 You
The Mall

Full disclosure: I have purchased every Gangstarr Record AND all 3 Jazzmatazz's -- all in a retail setting.

Also: Even the filler tracks are superior to most other rap artists, but when compared to Gangstarr's best levels I think they come up short.)

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85. "You have some of the strangest opinions on here man"
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The title track is filler?

Did you actually read everything you wrote?

  

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89. "YUP"
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>The title track is filler?
>
>Did you actually read everything you wrote?

I did, I think the "formula" is so in effect on these tracks, the tempos are a little slower, and the tracks are a little longer.

Hard to Earn is 17 tracks in 58 minutes for 3.4 minutes per, Moment of Truth is 20 tracks in 78 minutes - for 3.9 and but Moment of Truth tacks seem longer AND have less changes.

It just my opinion - I like what I like. Moment of Truth is fine - but its not DWYCK on it - its not Speak Ya Clout.

I love Hard to Earn and Step Into The Arena and Daily Operation.

I like Moment of Truth and The Owners.

But I bought them all. (And many of the singles.)

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86. "I'd never question another man's opinion..."
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but I'd be lying if I didn't say it blows my mind that someone would call "Moment of Truth" a filler track.

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87. "Ha. These would probably constitute my favorite tracks on the album:"
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>Robbin' Hood Theory
>Work
>JFK 2 LAX
>Moment Of Truth
>My Advice 2 You


>To me the was not their best album - I think Hard To Earn
>might be that for me: Code of the Streets, Tonz 'o Gunz, the
>Planet, DWYCK, Mass Appeal, Mostly Tha Voice,Comin' for
>Datazz.

I can understand the Hard to Earn is their best argument. It might still be my favorite. But it's very close.

>I think, for me, that some of the tracks were too long for
>their own good.

Yeah, this is where you're losing me.

>Royalty is a nice track, but would you really miss 60 seconds
>of it? Same with Above the Clouds. And B.I. Vs. Friendship.
>
>Definitely remove the first 60 seconds of The Rep Growz Bigga
>and New York Strait Talk.

If you're talking about removed the skits in front/at the end of some of these songs, I can understand what you're getting at. The 2-minute intro to Rep Grows Bigga is not good. But otherwise, the "You violating, straight up and down" at the end of Royalty is necessary. As is the Big Shug convo pre-NY Straight Talk.

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88. "My advice 2 you is filler?"
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91. "yeah, a lot of these are my favorites"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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94. "Cole..."
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95. "and honestly, fuck the complaints about those two songs"
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I like them both-She Knows sounds like an updated Jazzmatazz song and fits Guru perfectly, and The Mall is worth it for the G-Dep verse alone. That beat sounds like an underground version of those mall shoe store commercials you hear on local radio.

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103. "I never had a problem with either joint..."
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Rep Grows Bigga was the one I skipped back in the days but that was because of the intro and the fact I wanted to get to What I’m Here For.

I love Rep Grows now though.

  

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106. "me neither"
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and Rep is just such a chunky and melodic beat, it's wild how different a lot of the textures of these beats are. They have the same vintage formula, but the way they feel is different but still familiar. That's a hard trick to pull off in the boom bap idiom.

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104. "RE: Is this the longest “all killer, no filler” hip-hop album?"
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>Usually at 20 tracks you either have interludes or lesser
>songs that weigh the album down.
>
>Despite complaints about The Mall or SKWSW, this album really
>is quality from 1-20.
>

I really hate "The Mall" but G-Dep's verse is fie! That's the only song I skip sometimes. Album is a CLASSIC!

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81. "might be the greatest lyrics + beats combination ever"
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90. "this is the thread of the year, not sure it'll be beat"
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probably my all-time favorite rap album. Really interesting to read how varied opinions are on the best tracks. I've definitely listened to it to the point where I don't skip the "weak" tracks

Also I feel old as fuck now, thanks OP haha

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100. "PLATINUM BANGER"
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