"SPIN-OFF: Has there every been a case of a rapper 'learning' to rap?"
I was in the 'Rappers who forgot to rap' post and thought about the opposite. A rapper that suddenly 'got it'.
I personally can't think of any. I guess the closest thing might be Kendrick from Section.80 to Good Kid, m.A.A.d City, but he was already really good on the first album.
24. "Bro I hated Ghostface at first, THAT was the verse that let me know" In response to Reply # 5
>On 36 Chambers, he was above U-God and that's about it. > >Then he completely turned things around on "Brooklyn Zoo 2" on >ODB's album and only got better from there.
he had talent. My assumption was that he was around for other reasons. On 36 Chambers he didn't across like someone who saw rap as an art.
Once he said he "gunned down 80 Frenchmen" I knew he was ready haha
9. "This might be the best answer" In response to Reply # 6
His style definitely solidified as he got older and more experienced. I'm not into his work enough to notice how his style changed but for him to have the success he did and grow in number of fans from his beginning onto Tha Carter III shows he had to have grown.
I thought he sounded borderline (?) retarded on his debut but pretty solid on "Jealous ones envy". Of course, I know about the Big Pun ghostwriting rumours but whatever, the rapping got better...
Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Thu Mar-22-18 04:07 PM
21. "Hells Yeah Fat Joe" In response to Reply # 10
When his first album dropped his lyrics were basic but when the second album came out everyone knew something drastic changed about his lyricism, he improved so much people thought that with KRS doing the intro that might have something to do with it but over time we knew it was Big Pun was the reason behind his improvement.
Years after that he was pretty good writing on his own too, I feel Lil Wayne was the same way, he had ghostwriters from the beginning and after Juvenile, Gillie The Kid, & Drake stop writing for him, he wasn't as great but he improved on his own writings.
Same way with Pete Rock, before he had Grand Puba & C.L. writing for him when he was with C.L. but then after he formed his INI group with his brother Pete started writing his own lyrics and improved as time went on.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
I think the same can be said for him as well. He slowed down Triumph for me even though his "the dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum" line stands out.
He improved from 36 to No Said Date which I enjoyed but havent kept up with his output since. He's also admitted to just starting up when the clan was entering prominence too.
These are examples of rappers IMPROVING. Which is pretty standard. But both Kendrick and 3k were already really damn good or even great on those albums.
Lil' Wayne would be my submission.
>I personally can't think of any. I guess the closest thing >might be Kendrick from Section.80 to Good Kid, m.A.A.d City, >but he was already really good on the first album. > >Maybe Andre3K from the SPCM to ATLiens?
Since I posted this in my reply to Fat Joe, I'll post it here...
Pete Rock was another kat who improved over the years, when he first came out he was dope but only cause he had Grand Puba writing most of his rhymes when he was with C.L. Smooth but when he formed INI with his brother Grap Luva, he started to do it on his own, rhymes wasn't as good as he was on "Creator" and etc. but by time he put out "Soul Survivor" he improved quite a bit as a rapper, some might disagree but to me he was way better than most decent/weak rappers in the game at the time.
But he definitely wasn't on Erick Sermon, Diamond D., or Large Professor's level of rhyming though as far as producers who rhyme goes.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak