Lil Wayne

Yeah, I'm cheating on my own question but man, dreads, mumbling, oversexed, drug usage/references, mixtape dropping, autotune, tats, etc, etc.

The yin & yang imo are Chance & Young Thug. I think 80's on back we have more of a peer/critic relationship with Wayne while 90's going forward will have more of a fan/role model point of view. You can be a fan regardless of generation but we know younger cats are going to be more influenced.

Did we ever really get a Jay-Z or Nas heir? Joey Bada$$ gets his props for his nostalgic and boombap leanings but I feel like dude is really his own man.

Shiny suit era gave way to crunk and 50 was the last of thug-hicans for a minute, and Kast blew the doors open for Atlanta.

DMX & Ja Rule were probably the most accused of biting Pac but that was mostly aesthetics, their music was too east coast to say they were fully biting Pac outside of the image. Maybe thematically too but I'll argue no on that lol

Kanye's clones are mostly in sound, and between how much people feel Cudi was involved that's debatable because a lot of these young guys site Cudi as an influence in interviews.

West coast cats like Hopsin & Tyler say Eminem was a big influence, but your big White dudes like Mac Miller, G-Eazy, or even Post Malone don't have a brush of Shady imo. Shit, I dont think Yelawolf sounds like Em other than the voice a lil bit just based on him being a southern cat.

So what say you Lesson? What rapper seems to have the most influence in todays signed and working artists?

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of a direct correlation as with Wayne.

Like...you can hear Jay's influence on folks like The Game when he had those bars on "Westside story"...."been there, sold crack, got jacked, got shot, came back, jumped on Dre's back!" which was a flow/delivery I heard Budden use a lot as well. I feel that came straight from Jay.

And Wayne himself got a LOT from Jay around 04-05, Carter 1 era. He completely used Jay's style on "Earthquake"...."bet he a lame, bet he ain't Lil Wayne...NOPE!"

Of course, folks like Angelous didn't last or even get started enough to last, but he was one of a few Jay clones.

Wayne for sure has the most direct descendants, and the way he used autotune on "Dey know" remix is still like an extremely common style at this point.

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I couldn't say he was a Jay clone directly, getting started with rap so late I always felt like he was a fan who could "rap by ear" and just had that talent for emulating whoever he wants to, "only Compton nigga with a New York state of mind"

but I can see it, I always had a hard time needling out Jay-Z biters honestly, for me it was just hard to differentiate between east coast style in general or if they were following a Hov blueprint, pun intended

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and Snoop, Shady, 50, and Kendrick are definitely a good argument if that's where you were going with it

that's why I mentioned Kanye & Cudi for the indirect side because I've seen plenty of commentary on how Kanye made conscious rap more popular and made vulnerability in lyrics acceptable, plenty of people would say Drake is on the Kanye line

just to be devils advocate the argument on that point is Dre's people are more dependent on his production and clout than his stylings as a MC since most of his proteges tend to ghostwrite for him in obvious fashion

but yeah, it can be indirect, like I said above, I never been good at spotting Hov clones so point some shit out and enlighten me lol

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I wish the prolific/clever side of Wayne was the heavier influence but they have taken to the worst side quite a bit

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I've never listened to a whole Lil B project but I know dude is popular, I've read/heard he has a big influence but having not checked too much of his work I couldn't make any correlations

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It's Wayne by a country mile. That said, I think Wayne is in part a descendant of Jay. The essential quality to me is the effortlessness of the flow. Even when things are complicated, attention isn't called to it, everything is breezy. Definitely other stuff going on with Wayne at his peak, but Jay was a big contributor.

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gets lost in its echo

it was so swiftly and thoroughly digested into the common approach to rapping - it colored the form for almost everyone who practiced it. His flow (or aspirational impressions of it) became so typical so quickly, that we forget it even came from him

jay would be an easy answer to the op's question, from when he blew up until the 2010s

wayne was a product of jay like most good rappers were a product of jay

but wayne's push against and reinvention of the basics of the form - a push which was entirely his own - led to whatever it is we're doing now

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Gillie was in the mix when Wayne made his "best rapper alive" transition, and he definitely played a role in his development.

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made me say damn... he's reached a new level surpassing the squad tapes.

the jay influence was by then pretty heavy, not just rhyming over his beats.

Gone was the Nola: Block is Hot, Lights Out, 500 Degreez flow.

I'd say all the mixtapes after Prefix and Carter I, II, and III
were some variation of Jay influence from Vol. 2 through Black Album styles
though Wayne definitely made it his own.



Wayne is definitely the Jay-Z of the next generation of rappers that popped up.

From Kendrick and Drake to Young Thug and all the Lil's.

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