yeah obviously Death Row turned the east out and then the south did it even further however before both those storms erupted which
east coast acts or groups didn't sound like they were from the east regardless of the shift and changes going down?

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

But it's gonna be hard coming up with examples because that NYC sound was so dominant up until the 21st century.

At least in terms of sampling funk records.

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One Hundred.

Sounded West Coast

but more of a mix of the two coasts sounds. Probably the best attempt at merging the two that I can think of.

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Outside of the title track, Born to Roll, and maybe the intro, that album did not sound West Coast at all. It was a definite sidestep from Slaughtahouse, and with the lead single sampling the Isley's I know it caught many off guard. But sounding West Coast it did not.

Listen to the album now and I'm sure many would agree

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Only because Sir Jinx did a bulk of the production.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

...like an East Coast album in the first place.

And the three Trackmasterz songs definitely sounded East Coast.

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With Big poppa and Juicy...those sounded more like what came from the West at the time

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I was never confused that puffy or biggie were west coast. For that matter - I can't recall any act from the east coast I was mistaking for a west coast act. Vice Versa maybe - I remember thinking the pharcyde was an east coast act.


werd.

used a West Coast sounding flow on his song, for a NY rapper. Redman and others used a lot of references, but didn't sound West Coast.

But just talking about production, I felt that Biggie's main singles were a take on what the West was doing...the album cuts sounded super East Coast, but the breeziness of Juicy and Big Poppa were aimed to the ears that were enjoying the West Coast sound in the mainstream.

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at the time.... assuming you were living on the west coast to boot.

Because when Biggie's singles were dropping on the east coast, again, the production didn't remind me of what I thought to be west coast popular - such as - ICE CUBE - DRE - SNOOP ----- (well - maybe I take that back - maybe on doggystyle --- there are some bouncers on there.)

I think this might be bias to where you living at the time


werd.

Here's some random quotes just off of a Google search:

"And Ready To Die's most omnipresent hit “Big Poppa” flaunts the West Coast's signature Moog keyboard sound." - https://www.vibe.com/2014/09/unpopular-opinion-biggies-ready-die-hip-hops-most-flawed-classic-album/

"In light of the imminent coastal feud, it’s strange to consider how influential the West Coast was on Ready to Die. Snoop’s nasal twang and Dre’s pistols and palm trees epiphanies supply two of the album’s first samples. East Coast producers had been heavily mining Ohio funk since at least EPMD, but the hydraulic groove and the laid back pockets of “Things Done Changed,” “Juicy” and “Big Poppa,” are indebted to what was bumping out of Death Row. The “fuck everything sacred” slant almost invariably came from Ice Cube and N.W.A." - http://www.vinylmeplease.com/magazine/ready-die-liner-notes/

"“Big Poppa” was inseparable from Ron Isley's “Between the Sheets” and snuck in a trendy, post-regional synth line that would perk up West Coast ears." - https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22952-ready-to-die/

"For every swaggering corner boy anthem (“Juicy”, “Who Shot Ya”, g-funk-jacking slow jam “Big Poppa”) there's a corresponding blast of hood paranoia and introspection (“Warning”, “Suicidal Thoughts”)." - https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/ready-to-die-the-remaster/id204669326

"When you were listening to it, that was his success, because he took like west coast sound." - http://www.makaveli-board.net/showthread.php?12672-How-big-of-an-influence-was-2pac-on-Biggie-s-ready-to-die-album

These are basically all from established sources, too...I was in L.A., but in 4th and 5th grade, I didn't pay any attention to Regionalism at all, so I never even thought about it. But it's a lot of folks who have mentioned that his 2-3 singles had a G-Funk/West Coast inspired feel to them.

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They definitely had east coast flavor in retrospect, but at the time.. they kinda had a universal appeal.. From their piano/keyboard soaked beats, melodic songs.. even the creased up Dickie's and SF Derby jackets they wore..

a little bit later.. I always thought Freeway sounded like a Cali dude. The way he pronounced his words.

they were my favorite group when I was about ten.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

They definitely had east coast flavor in retrospect, but at the time.. they kinda had a universal appeal.. From their piano/keyboard soaked beats, melodic songs.. even the creased up Dickie's and SF Derby jackets they wore..

a little bit later.. I always thought Freeway sounded like a Cali dude. The way he pronounced his words.

They definitely had east coast flavor in retrospect, but at the time.. they kinda had a universal appeal.. From their piano/keyboard soaked beats, melodic songs.. even the creased up Dickie's and SF Derby jackets they wore..

a little bit later.. I always thought Freeway sounded like a Cali dude. The way he pronounced his words.

Don't know if they count because they were technically the South. But their first album seems directly influenced by The Chronic.

But even still, they sounded more like Pharcyde than Chronic, to me.

Now, if you wanna talk about Southern rappers sounding East Coast...of course MC Shy D and the 80's rappers did. Gucci Crew n them. And even by 92, Home Team "Pick it up" sounded super NY to be from Miami. After that, the South found their own sound and ran with it.

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Texas, Louisiana always had a heavy west coast influence until they developed their own sound. Texas even continued with a heavy west coast sound until the time when swishahouse became popular. Early SUC had an LA sound.

The sound really changed when cash money exploded on the scene, then everyone has adopted that style ever since.

Texas still plays a lot of L.A. music. Has to be because it's closer to L.A. in proximity compared to ATL and Florida. Kris Kross for sure had a strong L.A. influence, image wise and sound wise.

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It either had that Miami bass influence or a west coast gangsta rap influence.

>But even still, they sounded more like Pharcyde than Chronic,
>to me.

I guess I'd have to revisit to see if I hear Pharcyde too, you may be right. But I always thought it was their "southern" answer to Dre/Snoop.

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no tri-state rappers, certainly none from the early 90s, who i heard and thought were from cali or the south.

for the first x number of years that recorded rap music existed, there was no "east coast sound" really. there was just a rap sound. like all rap just sounded a certain general way, no matter where the rapper was from.

for a long time, niggas in texas and LA and chicago were just trying to rap like new york niggas. it was just how rap sounded.

then once the west and south really really branched off into their own sound, that's when this notion of a new york sound really came about. eventually some new york cats started incorporating other regional styles and slang into their shit. i feel like that started years later tho. like g-unit/dipset era.

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