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go mack
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"Poll question: Which of these non-classic Wu debuts is your fav?"


  

          

Okay, doubt Ugod gets a single vote but included him anyways. I feel like the other members have either classics or borderline classics. Some disagree on Tical but it at very least has a few classic songs altho one was the remix.

No Said Date is probably most consistent but I don't think I'd vote for it as I never listen to it. I'd prob go with Bobby Digital here or Pillage maybe, idk. As much as I like Deck, I've never enjoyed an album of his.

Poll result (22 votes)
Uncontrolled Substance (2 votes)Vote
The Pillage (3 votes)Vote
No Said Date (12 votes)Vote
Golden Arms Redemption (0 votes)Vote
Bobby Digital In Stereo (5 votes)Vote

  

  

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Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
Deck
Oct 23rd 2017
1
RE: Deck
Oct 23rd 2017
7
RE: Deck
Oct 25th 2017
15
Bobby Digital= personal classic
Oct 23rd 2017
2
Damn, I feel for you if THAT's the case
Oct 23rd 2017
9
RE: i ironically threw it on yesterday.
Oct 26th 2017
17
No Said Date is the best overall, but lacks the mini "hit" song...
Oct 23rd 2017
3
Tical
Oct 23rd 2017
4
RE: Tical
Oct 23rd 2017
6
Wanted to go with "Uncontrolled," but its "Bobby Digital"
Oct 23rd 2017
5
Question
Oct 23rd 2017
8
      RE: Question
Oct 23rd 2017
10
           Yeah I pretty much feel the same...but
Oct 23rd 2017
11
''The Pillage'' is my favorite; Bob Digi least favorite
Oct 24th 2017
12
^^
Nov 02nd 2017
19
No Said Date forever.
Oct 24th 2017
13
RE: No Said Date forever.
Oct 25th 2017
14
      Shit wait - I'm sorry. I always do that. I meant "Whatever"
Oct 26th 2017
16
Tie between the Pillage and Bobby D
Oct 26th 2017
18

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1. "Deck"
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That had the highest highs to me.

I was disappointed with the Cappa album when it dropped

I was cool with the MK joint but it was too little too late at that point even though it was a nice surprise.

Never a RZA fan on the mic.

I’m assuming you didn’t include outside members like Killah Preist and La the Darkman for a reason because those two are better than all of these joints.

  

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go mack
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7. "RE: Deck"
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Yeah, stuck with main members and Capadonna who at some points was considered a member I believe.

  

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15. "RE: Deck"
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>Never a RZA fan on the mic.

have a heart man.

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Mon Oct-23-17 01:11 PM

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2. "Bobby Digital= personal classic"
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I love everything about that record
the mistakes
the repeated verses
the Portishead sample
the Domestic Violence argument (I've had that argument...bastard! bastard! bastard!)
Ultimate Breakbeats and shit...looping the same shit for a thousand years
the slow grind interludes
the spanish singing

I was out of control when it came out so I related personally to it
(drugs, women, wildin out, fighting, drinking, etc)
RZA was just barely above U-God in the rhyme dept but he made it work on this

  

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9. "Damn, I feel for you if THAT's the case"
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>the Domestic Violence argument (I've had that
>argument...bastard! bastard! bastard!)



I end up skipping this one every time I listen to this album.

I like the Bob Digi albums too, although Rza's voice doesn't quite work on the love/Sex joints.

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17. "RE: i ironically threw it on yesterday."
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Thu Oct-26-17 04:34 PM by astralblak

  

          

i was always a fan of it too

don't love it as much now as then, but once "NYC Everything" hits, that albums has a LOT of goods:

Mantist
Holocaust
Terrorist - so fucn ridiculous, in good ways
Bobby Did It - Timbo Kings verse is flames
Handwriting on the Wall
Kiss of the Black Widow - ODB is my soul on that shit: free
Project Talk
Daily Routine

if it was 11 songs, it's a classic

  

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3. "No Said Date is the best overall, but lacks the mini "hit" song..."
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...that the others ("milk this cow" "rec room" "nyc everything" )


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4. "Tical"
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6. "RE: Tical"
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lol purposely left off cuz its obviously better than these and to me very close to classic.

Return of the 36 Chambers and Iron Man also borderline classic if not classic.

OB4CL and Liquid Swords are def classics.

These others tho, not so much. thru 97 Wu could do no wrong for me but then 98 and 99 happened..

  

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5. "Wanted to go with "Uncontrolled," but its "Bobby Digital" "
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"Uncontrolled" has some definite heat on it, but there's also a lot of "meh." Which is disappointing, because Deck was then and remains a top tier Wu MC. I really liked most of "Bobby Digitial" overall, especially the bonus/"RZA" cuts. And RZA kills it on the mic overall on the album.

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8. "Question"
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Which are the “ehh” tracks on US?

Not saying it isn’t a step down from the classics by any means but when I played it recently, I feel like it caught some unfair hate.

It’s not nearly as consistently dope as the classics nor does it have the atmosphere and story LS and CL do but there weren’t tracks I was saying “this shit is wack”.

  

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10. "RE: Question"
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>Not saying it isn’t a step down from the classics by any
>means but when I played it recently, I feel like it caught
>some unfair hate.
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>It’s not nearly as consistently dope as the classics nor
>does it have the atmosphere and story LS and CL do but there
>weren’t tracks I was saying “this shit is wack”.

When I say "meh," I mean boring and unremarkable, not necessarily wack. And it's due to the beats, rather than the rhymes.

Like I said above, I don't hate it at all. Shoot, I wanted to vote for it, and I'll say it gets a lot of underserved shit. But it could and should have been better. Honestly, I've always maintained that Deck was the Wu member that was hurt the most by the "flood" of RZA's basement, whichever one did end destroying his album.


Dope stuff:
Femme Fatale
Grand Prix
Word on the Street
Elevation
Trouble Man
REC Room
Friction
Hyperdermix
Show N Prove

"Meh" stuff:
Movas and Shakas
9th Chamber
Uncontrolled Substance
Forget Me Nots
Longevity (Wanted to put it in the dope category due to the lyrics, but beat is just too blah)
Lovin You
The Cause

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11. "Yeah I pretty much feel the same...but"
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Movas & Shakas and 9th Chambers are both dope to me.

  

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12. "''The Pillage'' is my favorite; Bob Digi least favorite"
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I barely skip anything on Cappa's debut and I can say for 19 years now when I go through my "play everything Wu" phases when I get past the first two group albums and first wave of solos "The Pillage" is that next tier I hit first. RZA had stepped down at this point as far as producing most/all the tracks and I had no problem whatsoever with Tru Master, 4th Disciple, Mathematics, and whoever else chipped in. I totally bought Cappa's slang editorial.

"Bobby Digital" on the other hand was not what I wanted to hear from The RZA in any sense and even once getting past my expectations of what I wanted I still didn't enjoy what was presented. I didn't like the keyboard, "digitally orchestrated" beats. I hated how he sounded on the beats. The explanation behind Bobby Digital, why it existed, and why it came before and ultimately replaced his long-awaited "Cure" album was dumb.

Like most everyone else here when ranking Wu MC's I have U-God last, but I honestly liked his debut and mess with some of those songs still. I expected more from RZA.

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19. "^^"
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I wanna say he teased nxggas with Sunshower and them came with that Bobbi Digi shxt.

I was mad.as.fuck.

I did like NYC everything and Domestic Violence (and I was livin that life at the time)

But Pillage gets my vote.

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13. "No Said Date forever."
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I love that album. The title track and his namesake track are both just ludicrous beats. Rest of the album fire as well.

All really good albums though, don't really have a worthy argument against any you listed.

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14. "RE: No Said Date forever."
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>I love that album. The title track and his namesake track are
>both just ludicrous beats.

Isnt the title track Skew It On The Barb-b?

Not saying it’s not dope but when I hear it, I just want to put Kast on instead lol

  

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16. "Shit wait - I'm sorry. I always do that. I meant "Whatever""
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No idea why I always confuse that with the title track.

Haha but yea - the ACTUAL title track, is Skew It. My bad.

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18. "Tie between the Pillage and Bobby D"
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I need to revisit Uncontolled S cause that shit was wack to me when it dropped. I was pretending to love it, before I was like nah. One of the biggest disappointments.

Golden Arms is horrible

  

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